There really are some people still listening to music from the 1920's. Not a lot, but some people enjoy it.
But, what about the 1950's? Even the 1960's? I said about half of the music produced since 1900 - but let's realize that much of what has been "produced" in recent decades are nothing more than remakes of old music. Let's allow FEAT to collect royalties on their remakes - but personally, I'd rather listen to the artists that they are mimicking.
The "sweet spot" has to be between 10 and 20 years. Personally, I can live with either of those numbers, and anything in between. 25 years is simply to much. Any claims to copyright beyond 20 years are the result of pure unbridled greed. No working stiff reaps the rewards of his labors 20 years after he completes his work. It's time for artists of all sorts to get in touch with reality - we don't owe them a life of leisure for ever after they create something cool.
It's much more important that the entertainment industries get in touch with reality. We cannot, we will not support their lame asses for eternity just because they have vaults with documents and original recordings in them.
"If by "production line art" you're talking about dogs playing poker or Elvis on velvet, NO NO NO NO WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. This is NOT art. I heard a definition of art the other day that really seemd insightful (I studied art in college). A workman works with his hands. A craftsman works with his hands and mind. An artist works with his hands, mind, and heart.
If you see a painting and your only reaction is "oh, that's pretty" it's probably NOT art. If it takes your breath away and makes you say "WOW!" it is art."
You do the elitist scene much? Bunch of pompous asses sipping bourbon, puffing on genuine Cuban cigars, and dressed in $10,000 suits, feeling superior to the masses who find it difficult to pay for a $10,000 car.
Cave paintings don't take my breath away, but they were, and they are art.
The works of art hanging on my refrigerator don't take my breath away, but they are still art.
Those wankers in academia, and all those successful businessmen who subscribe to this attitude are really pretty clueless. I can take them out onto construction sites and show them real art, and they wouldn't recognize it. I can take them into laboratories, and show them more real art, and they wouldn't recognize it there, either.
Hmm-hmmm. "Free Musicz for EVERYONE!" is a good soundbite. It's enough to persuade the average voter after all.
For that matter, nearly half of the music produced since about 1900 SHOULD BE in the public domain. With reasonable copyright law, much of what the record labels claim to "own" would be completely free, and completely legal to download, as well as legal to distribute by any means.
Let's be less than generous with the "content providers". 15 years for copyright. Face it - every extension beyond that limit has been bought and paid for by lobbyists. Greedy, money grubbing, crooked lobbyists with deep, deep pockets.
"Mr. Himmler, your race is awfully close, and your senate seat is in question. We can infuse 12 million dollars into your campaign, if you'll endorse copyright extensions for us."
"Is that legal, Mr. Lobbbyist?"
"Certainly not, Mr. Himmler, but we can launder the money - we have a network in place for things like this. It will cost us an additional million or so, but we can pump 12 million into your campaign tomorrow!"
"Well, I'm sold, Mr. Lobbyist, and I mean that literally. What's more, once I'm sold, I stay sold!"
Look at the history of copyright law. And, look at the money. Always, follow the money.
Cool. I'm a bit surprised - all the colleges around me, in southwest Arkansas, are nothing BUT Microsoft. Kudos to the SD School of Mines & Technology!!
Haven't reached 60 yet, I'm not really a boomer. But, right offhand, I can remember my Mama and Tupperware parties, and Avon crap. 'Xcuse me, gotta go barf....
"but we're also going to be doing comparison demos of Ubuntu and Snow Leopard"
Hey, Dude, that's uber cool! And, I don't even talk like that, LMAO! Can you film it? Or at least post about how it goes? Maybe some pics? Come on - ya gotta do it!!
Is it all geeks, or are you gonna have less abnormal "users" there? Can I come?
Yes, I am married to the mother of my children. We have talked many many times about that boob tube. Uhhh - you suggest that I change her? Uhhh - we aren't members of one of those religions where "Father's word is LAW!" Do you suggest I beat her? I mean, WTF? The woman is just as hard headed and independent as I am. Yeah, I could change her, I guess. And, I could spend the rest of my life in prison. I should maybe divorce her? *cough* If I were a little more hard headed, maybe I would - but, have you ever noticed that Mom generally gets the kids, along with alimony, and child support? Duhhh. That's a game that no man with even a shred of honour wins. Come to think of it, even those dishonorable deadbeat worthless dads don't "win" that game. Usually, the man is guaranteed to lose, and chances are high that the woman loses too. Not to mention the kids.
As for me trying to prove my statements, just google "Obesity in America" or "Obesity" and "Television", or make up your own combinations of terms. There is no end to the documentation that far to many people in America spend their lives in front of the television, almost from cradle to grave. Where do those primary caregivers fit into the equation? Hmmmm?
I got news for you. We don't even hear "that tone of voice". And, it certainly can't be heard through a keyboard.
Get over yourself. If you can show me some kind of statistics that prove my statements to be wrong, I may very well admit that I'm wrong. I've done it before, right here on slashdot.
Until then - I maintain that only a lazy parent will use the television as a baby sitter, and I will further maintain that most primary caregivers are female. Hence, a lot of mommies are bad mommies. Of the VERY few primary care givers who are male, that I am acquainted with, they bumble like fools in a lot of other ways, but they don't seem to rely on the television.
Got some stats for me to browse? Hit me with them. Otherwise, I see no reason to continue this conversation.
You should study history. Humankind doesn't want better quality of life. They've had thousands of years to work at that goal, but choose to wage war, rape, plunder, pillage and kill instead. Now, get off your liberal arse, and help to develop a better bomb.
Either I'm failing to articulate properly, or you choose to be obtuse.
I've not stated that Linux is the best operating system, nor have I stated that Mac is the best, nor Unix, or even Solaris.
I insist, however, that a high school graduate who is well versed in using a single operating system can hardly claim to be "computer literate", let a lone a graduate of a "computer science" class. Most certainly, a college graduate of anything that attempts to claim to be "computer science" should be literate in all those operating systems named above, and more.
It is nothing more than fraud to push students through an education system that concentrates on one, single, proprietary operating system. Fraud, plain and simple, to call those courses "science". Change the name to "Proprietary indoctrination into the approved uses of comptuter", then at least we would have an honest name.
So, it is your assertion that enriching British Petroleum ultimately won the cold war, thereby justifying the fact that we replaced a democratic government with a spineless puppet of a dictator.
Rocket science is over my head. Let's just keep this simple, alright? I think that I could go for the world's record in chin-ups. Send me to the space station!!
I see. You make a good point. So, in chemistry, I should have spent my first year learning all the characteristics of the common metals, right? No need to learn about noble gases, heavy metals, or even flammable metals, right? An entire year devoted to common metals would have qualified me for - what exactly? I promise, it wouldn't even have qualified me to study metallurgy.
Again, I'll emphasize the name of the course: COMPUTER SCIENCE. There is no science. None. Zero. Zip. Get the point yet?
I've had high school graduates who have had 6 to 8 years of training on computers ask me the most ignorant questions about computers. What's RAM? Is AMD better than Intel? Why do I need an antivirus? What is bandwidth? How many meg in a gig? How do I even open a "Command Console"?
And, I'll assert again - if your high school and/or college graduate is totally ignorant of any operating system other than Microsoft, he is a victim who has been cheated of an education.
Overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran was NOT in the best interests of any nation. It WAS in the best interests of British Petroleum. Let us be honest here: a democratic government was thrown under the bus for the sake of money, nothing more, and nothing less.
"That's about the same amount of science that the real science courses teach you in high school."
Really? I know that I had a modest understanding of the periodic table after one year of chemistry. I actually learned a few skills, and began to think scientifically. And, biology introduced me to some pretty useful concepts and ideas, which aided me later when I became an EMT.
High school science shouldn't necessarily make a real scientist of you, but I also mentioned college. 4 years of biology in college generally qualifies a person for SOMETHING - medical school, pharmacy, some kind of research involving living things - SOMETHING.
My complaint is that a degree in "computer science" qualifies most people to do little more than run Microsoft-centric shops. You know, install, network, and administer Microsoft Windows, and administer Microsoft Office. Sad, in my opinion.
Ho-hum. The solution to your nearly non-problem is to require high school and college "computer science" classes to teach - wait for it - here it comes - COMPUTER SCIENCE!!!
FFS, I'm quite sick of little morons telling me what they've learned in "computer science" classes. It is not science, period. They learn Microsoft-centric keyboard shortcuts, and they are fucking SCIENTISTS???
The brainwashing has simply gone to far. And, the brainwashed haven't a clue that they are victims.
If your little dweeb graduates from any "computer science" class, and he is *nix illiterate, then he has been cheated of an education.
Primarily, advertising. Almost every advertisement seen on television that makes claims about nutrition and/or health benefits is an outright lie. Almost nothing advertised on television is actually "good" for you. The only benefit realized by the advertisements, is to be seen in corporate revenue.
Parenting? Yeah. Every high school graduate should have been educated regarding nutrition. By 3rd grade, children should be educated enough to understand what real food is, but a high school graduate should be able to plan menus for the family.
Consumption? Yes, again. Tax the hell out of additives and preservatives, and tax sugar, corn syrup, bleached flour, and all the rest that does nothing but fatten the hogs, and/or addict the piglets to unhealthy food.
Wow. Feminazi, much? The guy is at fault here, no matter what, right?
You haven't answered my question: How many Mr. Moms do you know? Are they common where you live? Males who are primary care givers exist - but I don't think they are common in ANY demographic.
Going to work, bringing home the bacon, is "abandoning" the kids during the day? Good grief!
I appreciate your attempt to psychoanalyze me. Did you reference a book? Wrong book, sorry. Keep searching, though. You may find something that hits me personally.
Meanwhile - what say you about using the boob tube as a baby sitter? That WAS, after all, the subject of my original post - or have you forgotten that? Children are brainwashed to eat a diet of junk, then we wonder why they are lard asses. Ironic, isn't it?
I wasn't aware of the AAA's study. More, I have problems with the AAA - they have given bad advice in the past. But, this study validates what the AAA says on the subject, with a lot more credibility:
Uhhh, excuse me. What's wrong with learning to read a map? What's wrong with learning geography? After several decades of driving, I've learned that I can open Rand McNally's road atlas before I leave the house, chart a course to ANYWHERE in the US or Canada, and simply DRIVE THERE. If going some place that I've never been before, I might make a few notes for the last few miles.
Oh-kay, I'll admit, in recent years, I've installed some mapping softwares. Same thing. I sit down at the desktop, pull up the map, and maybe I'll print off the last few turns of my trip. Same thing, in essence.
People who NEED a GPS guide to tell them when to make every turn shouldn't be trusted to drive a damned car to start with.
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There really are some people still listening to music from the 1920's. Not a lot, but some people enjoy it.
But, what about the 1950's? Even the 1960's? I said about half of the music produced since 1900 - but let's realize that much of what has been "produced" in recent decades are nothing more than remakes of old music. Let's allow FEAT to collect royalties on their remakes - but personally, I'd rather listen to the artists that they are mimicking.
The "sweet spot" has to be between 10 and 20 years. Personally, I can live with either of those numbers, and anything in between. 25 years is simply to much. Any claims to copyright beyond 20 years are the result of pure unbridled greed. No working stiff reaps the rewards of his labors 20 years after he completes his work. It's time for artists of all sorts to get in touch with reality - we don't owe them a life of leisure for ever after they create something cool.
It's much more important that the entertainment industries get in touch with reality. We cannot, we will not support their lame asses for eternity just because they have vaults with documents and original recordings in them.
"If by "production line art" you're talking about dogs playing poker or Elvis on velvet, NO NO NO NO WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. This is NOT art. I heard a definition of art the other day that really seemd insightful (I studied art in college). A workman works with his hands. A craftsman works with his hands and mind. An artist works with his hands, mind, and heart.
If you see a painting and your only reaction is "oh, that's pretty" it's probably NOT art. If it takes your breath away and makes you say "WOW!" it is art."
You do the elitist scene much? Bunch of pompous asses sipping bourbon, puffing on genuine Cuban cigars, and dressed in $10,000 suits, feeling superior to the masses who find it difficult to pay for a $10,000 car.
Cave paintings don't take my breath away, but they were, and they are art.
The works of art hanging on my refrigerator don't take my breath away, but they are still art.
Those wankers in academia, and all those successful businessmen who subscribe to this attitude are really pretty clueless. I can take them out onto construction sites and show them real art, and they wouldn't recognize it. I can take them into laboratories, and show them more real art, and they wouldn't recognize it there, either.
Puffed up, self important wankers.
Hmm-hmmm. "Free Musicz for EVERYONE!" is a good soundbite. It's enough to persuade the average voter after all.
For that matter, nearly half of the music produced since about 1900 SHOULD BE in the public domain. With reasonable copyright law, much of what the record labels claim to "own" would be completely free, and completely legal to download, as well as legal to distribute by any means.
Let's be less than generous with the "content providers". 15 years for copyright. Face it - every extension beyond that limit has been bought and paid for by lobbyists. Greedy, money grubbing, crooked lobbyists with deep, deep pockets.
"Mr. Himmler, your race is awfully close, and your senate seat is in question. We can infuse 12 million dollars into your campaign, if you'll endorse copyright extensions for us."
"Is that legal, Mr. Lobbbyist?"
"Certainly not, Mr. Himmler, but we can launder the money - we have a network in place for things like this. It will cost us an additional million or so, but we can pump 12 million into your campaign tomorrow!"
"Well, I'm sold, Mr. Lobbyist, and I mean that literally. What's more, once I'm sold, I stay sold!"
Look at the history of copyright law. And, look at the money. Always, follow the money.
HA HA!!!! Yes, the video sucked, but I found cool links!! And, I got a new sig!!!
I LOVE this story!
Cool. I'm a bit surprised - all the colleges around me, in southwest Arkansas, are nothing BUT Microsoft. Kudos to the SD School of Mines & Technology!!
Haven't reached 60 yet, I'm not really a boomer. But, right offhand, I can remember my Mama and Tupperware parties, and Avon crap. 'Xcuse me, gotta go barf....
"but we're also going to be doing comparison demos of Ubuntu and Snow Leopard"
Hey, Dude, that's uber cool! And, I don't even talk like that, LMAO! Can you film it? Or at least post about how it goes? Maybe some pics? Come on - ya gotta do it!!
Is it all geeks, or are you gonna have less abnormal "users" there? Can I come?
*sigh*
Yes, I am married to the mother of my children. We have talked many many times about that boob tube. Uhhh - you suggest that I change her? Uhhh - we aren't members of one of those religions where "Father's word is LAW!" Do you suggest I beat her? I mean, WTF? The woman is just as hard headed and independent as I am. Yeah, I could change her, I guess. And, I could spend the rest of my life in prison. I should maybe divorce her? *cough* If I were a little more hard headed, maybe I would - but, have you ever noticed that Mom generally gets the kids, along with alimony, and child support? Duhhh. That's a game that no man with even a shred of honour wins. Come to think of it, even those dishonorable deadbeat worthless dads don't "win" that game. Usually, the man is guaranteed to lose, and chances are high that the woman loses too. Not to mention the kids.
As for me trying to prove my statements, just google "Obesity in America" or "Obesity" and "Television", or make up your own combinations of terms. There is no end to the documentation that far to many people in America spend their lives in front of the television, almost from cradle to grave. Where do those primary caregivers fit into the equation? Hmmmm?
Obligatory post, really:
"But, what could go wrong?"
"Don't use that tone of voice with ME!"
I got news for you. We don't even hear "that tone of voice". And, it certainly can't be heard through a keyboard.
Get over yourself. If you can show me some kind of statistics that prove my statements to be wrong, I may very well admit that I'm wrong. I've done it before, right here on slashdot.
Until then - I maintain that only a lazy parent will use the television as a baby sitter, and I will further maintain that most primary caregivers are female. Hence, a lot of mommies are bad mommies. Of the VERY few primary care givers who are male, that I am acquainted with, they bumble like fools in a lot of other ways, but they don't seem to rely on the television.
Got some stats for me to browse? Hit me with them. Otherwise, I see no reason to continue this conversation.
LOL, alright, I'm busted. AC already got me on the "world's record" part. ;^)
You should study history. Humankind doesn't want better quality of life. They've had thousands of years to work at that goal, but choose to wage war, rape, plunder, pillage and kill instead. Now, get off your liberal arse, and help to develop a better bomb.
Either I'm failing to articulate properly, or you choose to be obtuse.
I've not stated that Linux is the best operating system, nor have I stated that Mac is the best, nor Unix, or even Solaris.
I insist, however, that a high school graduate who is well versed in using a single operating system can hardly claim to be "computer literate", let a lone a graduate of a "computer science" class. Most certainly, a college graduate of anything that attempts to claim to be "computer science" should be literate in all those operating systems named above, and more.
It is nothing more than fraud to push students through an education system that concentrates on one, single, proprietary operating system. Fraud, plain and simple, to call those courses "science". Change the name to "Proprietary indoctrination into the approved uses of comptuter", then at least we would have an honest name.
Allow me to speculate. You are
A: not from the US
B: truly old school
C: a graduate of MIT or similar
Really - when and where did you graduate? Curiosity is killing me here. ;^)
So, it is your assertion that enriching British Petroleum ultimately won the cold war, thereby justifying the fact that we replaced a democratic government with a spineless puppet of a dictator.
Oddly, a lot of people will buy into that theory.
Rocket science is over my head. Let's just keep this simple, alright? I think that I could go for the world's record in chin-ups. Send me to the space station!!
I see. You make a good point. So, in chemistry, I should have spent my first year learning all the characteristics of the common metals, right? No need to learn about noble gases, heavy metals, or even flammable metals, right? An entire year devoted to common metals would have qualified me for - what exactly? I promise, it wouldn't even have qualified me to study metallurgy.
Again, I'll emphasize the name of the course: COMPUTER SCIENCE. There is no science. None. Zero. Zip. Get the point yet?
I've had high school graduates who have had 6 to 8 years of training on computers ask me the most ignorant questions about computers. What's RAM? Is AMD better than Intel? Why do I need an antivirus? What is bandwidth? How many meg in a gig? How do I even open a "Command Console"?
And, I'll assert again - if your high school and/or college graduate is totally ignorant of any operating system other than Microsoft, he is a victim who has been cheated of an education.
Overthrowing the democratically elected government of Iran was NOT in the best interests of any nation. It WAS in the best interests of British Petroleum. Let us be honest here: a democratic government was thrown under the bus for the sake of money, nothing more, and nothing less.
Yes, our past sins are haunting us.
"That's about the same amount of science that the real science courses teach you in high school."
Really? I know that I had a modest understanding of the periodic table after one year of chemistry. I actually learned a few skills, and began to think scientifically. And, biology introduced me to some pretty useful concepts and ideas, which aided me later when I became an EMT.
High school science shouldn't necessarily make a real scientist of you, but I also mentioned college. 4 years of biology in college generally qualifies a person for SOMETHING - medical school, pharmacy, some kind of research involving living things - SOMETHING.
My complaint is that a degree in "computer science" qualifies most people to do little more than run Microsoft-centric shops. You know, install, network, and administer Microsoft Windows, and administer Microsoft Office. Sad, in my opinion.
Funny how our past sins come back to bite us in the ass.
Operation Ajax.
Ho-hum. The solution to your nearly non-problem is to require high school and college "computer science" classes to teach - wait for it - here it comes - COMPUTER SCIENCE!!!
FFS, I'm quite sick of little morons telling me what they've learned in "computer science" classes. It is not science, period. They learn Microsoft-centric keyboard shortcuts, and they are fucking SCIENTISTS???
The brainwashing has simply gone to far. And, the brainwashed haven't a clue that they are victims.
If your little dweeb graduates from any "computer science" class, and he is *nix illiterate, then he has been cheated of an education.
Primarily, advertising. Almost every advertisement seen on television that makes claims about nutrition and/or health benefits is an outright lie. Almost nothing advertised on television is actually "good" for you. The only benefit realized by the advertisements, is to be seen in corporate revenue.
Parenting? Yeah. Every high school graduate should have been educated regarding nutrition. By 3rd grade, children should be educated enough to understand what real food is, but a high school graduate should be able to plan menus for the family.
Consumption? Yes, again. Tax the hell out of additives and preservatives, and tax sugar, corn syrup, bleached flour, and all the rest that does nothing but fatten the hogs, and/or addict the piglets to unhealthy food.
Wow. Feminazi, much? The guy is at fault here, no matter what, right?
You haven't answered my question: How many Mr. Moms do you know? Are they common where you live? Males who are primary care givers exist - but I don't think they are common in ANY demographic.
Going to work, bringing home the bacon, is "abandoning" the kids during the day? Good grief!
I appreciate your attempt to psychoanalyze me. Did you reference a book? Wrong book, sorry. Keep searching, though. You may find something that hits me personally.
Meanwhile - what say you about using the boob tube as a baby sitter? That WAS, after all, the subject of my original post - or have you forgotten that? Children are brainwashed to eat a diet of junk, then we wonder why they are lard asses. Ironic, isn't it?
I wasn't aware of the AAA's study. More, I have problems with the AAA - they have given bad advice in the past. But, this study validates what the AAA says on the subject, with a lot more credibility:
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/portal/site/nhtsa/template.MAXIMIZE/menuitem.416f74e8613992381601031046108a0c/?javax.portlet.tpst=4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_ws_MX&javax.portlet.prp_4427b997caacf504a8bdba101891ef9a_viewID=detail_view&itemID=d01bab6383f62010VgnVCM1000002c567798RCRD
Wow! It looks like I searched out one of the longest addresses on the web, huh? Try these http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32035670/ns/technology_and_science-wireless/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090924/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_commercial_drivers_cell_phones
People who claim that they drive safely while using a phone probably think they also drive safely with .2% blood alcohol content.
Uhhh, excuse me. What's wrong with learning to read a map? What's wrong with learning geography? After several decades of driving, I've learned that I can open Rand McNally's road atlas before I leave the house, chart a course to ANYWHERE in the US or Canada, and simply DRIVE THERE. If going some place that I've never been before, I might make a few notes for the last few miles.
Oh-kay, I'll admit, in recent years, I've installed some mapping softwares. Same thing. I sit down at the desktop, pull up the map, and maybe I'll print off the last few turns of my trip. Same thing, in essence.
People who NEED a GPS guide to tell them when to make every turn shouldn't be trusted to drive a damned car to start with.