I didn't know/. was sponsoring bitch sessions on incredibly common events.
I would like to lodge my complaint on my cell phone screen then..as well as my key ring, and hell, as I continue to fish things out of my pocket, I find even my coins are scratches up! WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING IN MY POCKET? It is as if non-uniform metal objects and the close confines of pants pockets don't mix well.
This is an outrage! I'd buy a Rio (they they went out of business - oops!)
we need to understand that listening to music on your computer is an extra privilege.
This is such a BS stance on the issue. So if your electronic device has an OS it's a computer and shoudn't play DRM-CDs, but if the device is straight circuits it's cool?
Now, we need to understand that listening to music in your car or through your home stereos is an extra privilege. Normally, people listen to music on your computer. If you are a car or home stereo user, you should consider purchasing a regular CD player.
Awesome point. Think about this too - many new car DVD/Navigation systems have embedded OSes - are they computers? What about high end home theaters? Where is the line for these people?
One day (soon) there will be on-line movie stores and then people will have computers as PVRs in their home theaters - then what?
Music industry execs need to remember this one simple thing: When they sell their music to us, only one side is bringing any money to the transaction. At the end of the day, it they don't offer something consumers will pay for, they will sell none of them. I don't own a Windows PC so I won't be purchasing any of their WMA only crap. Period.
This discussion is very similar to the Jobs v. Music Industry debates over $0.99 song pricing and Jobs is right on the money - I am not going to pay more than a dollar for a song when I can get it for free using another application that is also on my computer.
For those throwing around the term "Monopoly" when discussing Apple's iPod in the DMP market or iTunes in the Legal Download market, consider Wikipedia's Monopoly definitions, then turn your eyes to what Apple really is.
For those whose browsers don't link outside of/., Wiki's litmus test for an Oligopoly is:
As a quantative description of oligopoly, the four-firm concentration ratio is often utilized. This measure expresses the market share of the four largest firms in an industry as a percentage. Using this measure, an oligopoly is defined as a market in which the four-firm concentration ratio is above 40%. An example would be the supermarket industry in the United Kingdom, with a four-firm concentration ratio of over 70%.
When the OS X86 was first announced, I was immediately concerned piracy of my prefered OS would diminish Apple hardware sales and destroy the company I have switched to.
But Internet Explorer taught me not to worry.
As a web developer my office tries to build web apps that are cross browser compatible. But when the client starts running low on cash, and _they_ aren't concerned about FireFox users on Linux, then my boss stops being concerned and adds enough to my plate that I stop being concerned too.
So no matter how OS X gets on desktops, it is a win for Apple. Paying hardware customer - double win - but any win is a good win when you have 5% of the market and your next biggest competitor has sixteen to eighteen times that!
AC said: Sure, restarting the PC isn't the most direct route in terms of the computer literate...Besides, it worked, didn't it? There you go. They got their job done, and they didn't have to give you a complicated explanation of what to do.
amichalo said: (Actual issue was the support person was sending me to the wrong web application but that's not the point.)
As I said in my first post, the actual issue was that they were sending me to the wrong web application. (Apparently, their systems are only sort of interlinked and the support person didn't know what they were doing, so they were sending me to one URL where a temporary login worked, but it couldn't give me a permanent login because it was the wrong system. They should have been directing me to a totally different URL. No reboot would have fixed that.) Only after escallating the issue to a "senior support" person did they determine that they told me the wrong URL to go to.
BTW, I like the whole Mod-it-Flamebait-AND-reply-anonymous-to-it-because -I-am-a-MS-appologist" tactic you used. What a sense of appropriateness you have mastered! And yeah, now I'm flaming your ass.
So the ROKR proves Apple doesn't do well with collaboration. Tell us something we didn't already know.
It is so obvious this phone is a checklist of specs: - Hundred song capacity - check - iPod library navigation software - check - Dedicated iTunes button - check - Pause song on phone call - check - USB sync - check
It's like Apple made some demands on what the phone must do, and the rest Motorola did. Clearly if Apple was allowed design considerations on this phone, they got nixed in a very intense way. The phone itself is no other than an existing motorola design with iTunes shoehorned in.
Perhaps this is some stop-gap device to satiate the critics until a built-for-iTunes phone can be built.
I doubt it though.
The real deal will be Apple's take on the Treo devices that will mend the PDA, phone, and of course support multimedia too, all with Apple's great Ink Well technology. But that's another post.
It would appear MS has again fouled up a simple concept - "Applications". OtherOSes have had this concept for a while. Instead of building functionality, like a web browser, into the OS and selling it as different versions, how about making a single version and then selling "applications" that add functionality to the OS.
The article sums things up nicely: My initial reactions are reserved, because there's just not that much detail available. Pricing, for instance, would be really nice to know. Will Home Basic Edition debut below the price point of XP Home today? Place your bets. The one thing I will say is that I fear that this may cause a great deal of confusion on behalf of your average consumer. Two versions of XP were enough to cause confusion, and now Joe Blow has four choices that may fit the bill.
Windows support is entirely experimental and is recommended only for experienced users.
I was on a support call with a company last week. They actually told me that in order to correct the issue I was having with resetting my password on their website I needed to reboot my Windows XP box and try logging into their website again. Not just logout or even clear my browser cache or cookies...I HAD TO REBOOT! (Actual issue was the support person was sending me to the wrong web application but that's not the point.)
Goes to show that the article is right, Windows support is entirely experimental.
Some day, somebody will say 'I am going to create a headline and write a virus for Mac
Keep it down would ya!
How does this kill PalmOS?
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Um, what kind of company would spend $311 million to buy PalmOS, then STOP SELLING THE TECHNOLOGY? Sure, they may eventually integrate the parts of PalmOS they like into "Access OS" or whatever they sell, but they are certainly not going to just exit the market that PalmOS serves.
When Maytag bought Whirlpool last month, it didn't mean they were ditching their product line./. can be so reactionary.
Speaking as a kid who grew up playing Nintendo (the original one you had to blow on to make the cartridges work) I say that the amount of time spent playing WoW and PS2 and watching DVDs and so on is going to have a serious impact on child development including aspects of: - social interaction - physical activity - addiction - valuing human or animal life - respect for authority / oposite sex / themselves
Just like ice cream and candy, video games should not be something chilren should be allowed to binge their bodies and minds on.
Investors should take note of these types of situations.
While we all think it funny, it offers insight into the emotional response of the CEO of the world's largest software company. It shows his a weakness, that he is personally threatened by Google, and a despiration, that he feels Google just one upped him. There is a difference between being passionate about your products and being threatened by your market mates.
Is this the type of personality you would want running the company your 401(k) was invested in? Your retirement future, child's education, or second house at the lake, all riding on the ability of a short tempered reactionist who would scream and shout and create a personal vendetta not only aginst a competitor, but CEO-to-CEO?
In many cases the CEO is a significant reason to invest in a company - that's why there are such massive stock sell offs or buy ins when leadership changes (look at HP recently as an example or further back to Chrysler, GM, etc).
I'd rather invest in a company who's CEO is headstrong and confident enough to try to innovate their competition our of existance, not temper tantrem their CEO to death.
I have resisted bandwagoning the dupe article issue but my spin is a little different...
How do the dupe articles make it through when I submit articles that get rejected - like news on non-volitile MRAM replacing volitile DRAM and how Freescale is getting closer and closer to this being reality.
That's something nerds can sink their teath into, but the editors reject it for "more of the same".
I challenge the author of this review to please review parts of either OS that make a difference to anyone.
Who chooses an OS based on the look of the finder? Both meet minimum user needs, so who CARES.
How about a review of something that MAKES A DIFFERENCE like the security implementation, features like "Desktop Widgets" or Scripting tools like "Automator"...
Since I don't have access to Vista I don't know if there are equivalents to these or not and unfortunately, the reviewer didn't think to tell me anythong other than he like's the stacking feature of Vista's file folder view - BFD!
In the best case, Appel writes a check to Creative, who will license the technology to Apple.
If Creative refuses resonable terms, which is probable, Apple with write a check to their laywers to defend the pattent (or atleast delay having to do anything about it for many months).
Failing that, Apple writes a check to the CREAF shareholders, using their $3B cash stockpile to buy Creative who's market cap is $660M.
It won't come to a buy out, but that's the worst case for Apple.
And don't forget, this coming to the party late is a new move for Apple. They are so used to innovating and having others violate their patents that they are learning to navigate the waters of a market already invented.
First, they sell Motorola phones, and Motorola partnered with Apple to build it.
I contend that Apple partnered with Cingular because they are the largest carrier in the US, now that they merged with AT&T, and because Cingular would allow Apple to sell a phone that didn't get it music by buying from an over priced Verizon music store. Sprint, Verizon, etc sell Motorola phones too (yeah, Sprint only sells CDMA Motos) but the GSM carriers will sell whatever they think is gonna bring in the customers.
Looks like this ROKR phone is kinda the 2nd Generation iPod Shuffle. - It is a small unit with minila but reasonable capacity via Flash - Smaller than a pack of gum, more like a piece of gum stuck to your cell phone - Now Suffle detractors get their screen and basically a free ride on the battery life of a much larger capacity battery too - Still priced at a minimal premium
I have also read that the software people have seen is a music player only, not iTMS integration for buying tracks, so this will sync with - iTunes - Address Book - Calendar events? - To Dos?
Thanks for the insight Petronius. I Always thought SQL Server grew out of the Access DBMS, though I never understood how the two could be so very different.
Considering MS's M.O., the buyout now makes sense!
"pretentious" ? trust me, I am not PROUD of being a.NET developer, I just say that to give some context to my post (seeing as here on/. I could be a physicist or textile-chemist or any of a laundry list of nerdy things. Me, I'm a.NET developer.
Under what circumstances have you seen SQL Server be "unstable"?... You're talking about a pretty prestigious database. Not quite on par with Oracle, but there's no comparison with something like MySQL.
Agreed on many points - MS SQL Server is one of the best things to come out of Microsoft's campus - and I wouldn't compare MySQL to an enterprise DBMS like Oracle or SQL Server - but I contend that there are significant issues with integrating a DBMS - ANY DBMS - with your file system. Such core systems should be able to function with minimal overhead for the very reason that it makes them less vulerable.
But let me answer your question directly, I have seen SQL hang or eat so many system resources while executing a stored proceedure than the process has had to be stopped or the entire system has had to be restarted. The tools MS provides (Enterprise Manager and Query Analyzer) have crashed my workstation, and my illusion to the idea that one errant Worm could create havoc if SQL were embedded in the FS is supported by Slashdot article a couple years ago.
MS has worked very hard over many years to errode my confidence. Once upon a time I didn't want to install Norton Utilities because MS didn't make it. Now I won't use MS software in my home. Who's fault is that?
I am a.NET developer by trade (but use a Mac at home and my Intel boxes run Linux).
In response to the idea that WinFS is going to get it's indexing power from a custom SQL engine, I have to say that SQL Server on our XP boxes isn't reliable enough to use an an integral part of the file system. IT JUST IS NOT! Consider how many implementations of home and small business users won't have the benefit of IT support staff. Sure there are implementations of SQL on XP that are stable and blah blah blah, but we deal with SQL crashing in dev or even production environments regularly. Sometimes it is just restarting SQL that does the trick, sometimes it halts the whole server.
Point is I don't want something as critical as my OS file system relying on SQL to tell me if my files should be backed up or not...one bad worm and bad news for everyone!
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I didn't know /. was sponsoring bitch sessions on incredibly common events.
I would like to lodge my complaint on my cell phone screen then..as well as my key ring, and hell, as I continue to fish things out of my pocket, I find even my coins are scratches up! WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING IN MY POCKET? It is as if non-uniform metal objects and the close confines of pants pockets don't mix well.
This is an outrage! I'd buy a Rio (they they went out of business - oops!)
we need to understand that listening to music on your computer is an extra privilege.
This is such a BS stance on the issue. So if your electronic device has an OS it's a computer and shoudn't play DRM-CDs, but if the device is straight circuits it's cool?
Now, we need to understand that listening to music in your car or through your home stereos is an extra privilege. Normally, people listen to music on your computer. If you are a car or home stereo user, you should consider purchasing a regular CD player.
Awesome point. Think about this too - many new car DVD/Navigation systems have embedded OSes - are they computers? What about high end home theaters? Where is the line for these people?
One day (soon) there will be on-line movie stores and then people will have computers as PVRs in their home theaters - then what?
Music industry execs need to remember this one simple thing: When they sell their music to us, only one side is bringing any money to the transaction. At the end of the day, it they don't offer something consumers will pay for, they will sell none of them. I don't own a Windows PC so I won't be purchasing any of their WMA only crap. Period.
This discussion is very similar to the Jobs v. Music Industry debates over $0.99 song pricing and Jobs is right on the money - I am not going to pay more than a dollar for a song when I can get it for free using another application that is also on my computer.
They also aren't advertising for it.
If you don't spend any money on advertising, you won't loose as much money when no one buys it!
For those whose browsers don't link outside of
When the OS X86 was first announced, I was immediately concerned piracy of my prefered OS would diminish Apple hardware sales and destroy the company I have switched to.
But Internet Explorer taught me not to worry.
As a web developer my office tries to build web apps that are cross browser compatible. But when the client starts running low on cash, and _they_ aren't concerned about FireFox users on Linux, then my boss stops being concerned and adds enough to my plate that I stop being concerned too.
So no matter how OS X gets on desktops, it is a win for Apple. Paying hardware customer - double win - but any win is a good win when you have 5% of the market and your next biggest competitor has sixteen to eighteen times that!
AC said: Sure, restarting the PC isn't the most direct route in terms of the computer literate...Besides, it worked, didn't it? There you go. They got their job done, and they didn't have to give you a complicated explanation of what to do.
e -I-am-a-MS-appologist" tactic you used. What a sense of appropriateness you have mastered! And yeah, now I'm flaming your ass.
amichalo said: (Actual issue was the support person was sending me to the wrong web application but that's not the point.)
As I said in my first post, the actual issue was that they were sending me to the wrong web application. (Apparently, their systems are only sort of interlinked and the support person didn't know what they were doing, so they were sending me to one URL where a temporary login worked, but it couldn't give me a permanent login because it was the wrong system. They should have been directing me to a totally different URL. No reboot would have fixed that.) Only after escallating the issue to a "senior support" person did they determine that they told me the wrong URL to go to.
BTW, I like the whole Mod-it-Flamebait-AND-reply-anonymous-to-it-becaus
So the ROKR proves Apple doesn't do well with collaboration. Tell us something we didn't already know.
It is so obvious this phone is a checklist of specs:
- Hundred song capacity - check
- iPod library navigation software - check
- Dedicated iTunes button - check
- Pause song on phone call - check
- USB sync - check
It's like Apple made some demands on what the phone must do, and the rest Motorola did. Clearly if Apple was allowed design considerations on this phone, they got nixed in a very intense way. The phone itself is no other than an existing motorola design with iTunes shoehorned in.
Perhaps this is some stop-gap device to satiate the critics until a built-for-iTunes phone can be built.
I doubt it though.
The real deal will be Apple's take on the Treo devices that will mend the PDA, phone, and of course support multimedia too, all with Apple's great Ink Well technology. But that's another post.
It would appear MS has again fouled up a simple concept - "Applications". Other OSes have had this concept for a while. Instead of building functionality, like a web browser, into the OS and selling it as different versions, how about making a single version and then selling "applications" that add functionality to the OS.
The article sums things up nicely: My initial reactions are reserved, because there's just not that much detail available. Pricing, for instance, would be really nice to know. Will Home Basic Edition debut below the price point of XP Home today? Place your bets. The one thing I will say is that I fear that this may cause a great deal of confusion on behalf of your average consumer. Two versions of XP were enough to cause confusion, and now Joe Blow has four choices that may fit the bill.
Windows support is entirely experimental and is recommended only for experienced users.
I was on a support call with a company last week. They actually told me that in order to correct the issue I was having with resetting my password on their website I needed to reboot my Windows XP box and try logging into their website again. Not just logout or even clear my browser cache or cookies...I HAD TO REBOOT! (Actual issue was the support person was sending me to the wrong web application but that's not the point.)
Goes to show that the article is right, Windows support is entirely experimental.
Some day, somebody will say 'I am going to create a headline and write a virus for Mac
Keep it down would ya!
Um, what kind of company would spend $311 million to buy PalmOS, then STOP SELLING THE TECHNOLOGY? Sure, they may eventually integrate the parts of PalmOS they like into "Access OS" or whatever they sell, but they are certainly not going to just exit the market that PalmOS serves.
/. can be so reactionary.
When Maytag bought Whirlpool last month, it didn't mean they were ditching their product line.
Speaking as a kid who grew up playing Nintendo (the original one you had to blow on to make the cartridges work) I say that the amount of time spent playing WoW and PS2 and watching DVDs and so on is going to have a serious impact on child development including aspects of:
- social interaction
- physical activity
- addiction
- valuing human or animal life
- respect for authority / oposite sex / themselves
Just like ice cream and candy, video games should not be something chilren should be allowed to binge their bodies and minds on.
Check it out! Look's like Fuddruckers is now hotlinking all Google's content too!
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[let history show that the above link is redirecting all traffic to www.google.com in an attempt to live through the
Nice reply ragora...bully for YOU!
(I am American so if "bully for you" is an insult than I apologize but I think you are using the phrase sarcastically.)
Investors should take note of these types of situations.
While we all think it funny, it offers insight into the emotional response of the CEO of the world's largest software company. It shows his a weakness, that he is personally threatened by Google, and a despiration, that he feels Google just one upped him. There is a difference between being passionate about your products and being threatened by your market mates.
Is this the type of personality you would want running the company your 401(k) was invested in? Your retirement future, child's education, or second house at the lake, all riding on the ability of a short tempered reactionist who would scream and shout and create a personal vendetta not only aginst a competitor, but CEO-to-CEO?
In many cases the CEO is a significant reason to invest in a company - that's why there are such massive stock sell offs or buy ins when leadership changes (look at HP recently as an example or further back to Chrysler, GM, etc).
I'd rather invest in a company who's CEO is headstrong and confident enough to try to innovate their competition our of existance, not temper tantrem their CEO to death.
I have resisted bandwagoning the dupe article issue but my spin is a little different...
How do the dupe articles make it through when I submit articles that get rejected - like news on non-volitile MRAM replacing volitile DRAM and how Freescale is getting closer and closer to this being reality.
That's something nerds can sink their teath into, but the editors reject it for "more of the same".
I challenge the author of this review to please review parts of either OS that make a difference to anyone.
...
Who chooses an OS based on the look of the finder? Both meet minimum user needs, so who CARES.
How about a review of something that MAKES A DIFFERENCE like the security implementation, features like "Desktop Widgets" or Scripting tools like "Automator"
Since I don't have access to Vista I don't know if there are equivalents to these or not and unfortunately, the reviewer didn't think to tell me anythong other than he like's the stacking feature of Vista's file folder view - BFD!
This will be resolved by writting a check.
In the best case, Appel writes a check to Creative, who will license the technology to Apple.
If Creative refuses resonable terms, which is probable, Apple with write a check to their laywers to defend the pattent (or atleast delay having to do anything about it for many months).
Failing that, Apple writes a check to the CREAF shareholders, using their $3B cash stockpile to buy Creative who's market cap is $660M.
It won't come to a buy out, but that's the worst case for Apple.
And don't forget, this coming to the party late is a new move for Apple. They are so used to innovating and having others violate their patents that they are learning to navigate the waters of a market already invented.
First, they sell Motorola phones, and Motorola partnered with Apple to build it.
I contend that Apple partnered with Cingular because they are the largest carrier in the US, now that they merged with AT&T, and because Cingular would allow Apple to sell a phone that didn't get it music by buying from an over priced Verizon music store. Sprint, Verizon, etc sell Motorola phones too (yeah, Sprint only sells CDMA Motos) but the GSM carriers will sell whatever they think is gonna bring in the customers.
Looks like this ROKR phone is kinda the 2nd Generation iPod Shuffle.
- It is a small unit with minila but reasonable capacity via Flash
- Smaller than a pack of gum, more like a piece of gum stuck to your cell phone
- Now Suffle detractors get their screen and basically a free ride on the battery life of a much larger capacity battery too
- Still priced at a minimal premium
I have also read that the software people have seen is a music player only, not iTMS integration for buying tracks, so this will sync with
- iTunes
- Address Book
- Calendar events?
- To Dos?
Thanks for the insight Petronius. I Always thought SQL Server grew out of the Access DBMS, though I never understood how the two could be so very different.
Considering MS's M.O., the buyout now makes sense!
"pretentious" ? trust me, I am not PROUD of being a .NET developer, I just say that to give some context to my post (seeing as here on /. I could be a physicist or textile-chemist or any of a laundry list of nerdy things. Me, I'm a .NET developer.
Under what circumstances have you seen SQL Server be "unstable"? ... You're talking about a pretty prestigious database. Not quite on par with Oracle, but there's no comparison with something like MySQL.
Agreed on many points - MS SQL Server is one of the best things to come out of Microsoft's campus - and I wouldn't compare MySQL to an enterprise DBMS like Oracle or SQL Server - but I contend that there are significant issues with integrating a DBMS - ANY DBMS - with your file system. Such core systems should be able to function with minimal overhead for the very reason that it makes them less vulerable.
But let me answer your question directly, I have seen SQL hang or eat so many system resources while executing a stored proceedure than the process has had to be stopped or the entire system has had to be restarted. The tools MS provides (Enterprise Manager and Query Analyzer) have crashed my workstation, and my illusion to the idea that one errant Worm could create havoc if SQL were embedded in the FS is supported by Slashdot article a couple years ago.
MS has worked very hard over many years to errode my confidence. Once upon a time I didn't want to install Norton Utilities because MS didn't make it. Now I won't use MS software in my home. Who's fault is that?
I am a .NET developer by trade (but use a Mac at home and my Intel boxes run Linux).
In response to the idea that WinFS is going to get it's indexing power from a custom SQL engine, I have to say that SQL Server on our XP boxes isn't reliable enough to use an an integral part of the file system. IT JUST IS NOT! Consider how many implementations of home and small business users won't have the benefit of IT support staff. Sure there are implementations of SQL on XP that are stable and blah blah blah, but we deal with SQL crashing in dev or even production environments regularly. Sometimes it is just restarting SQL that does the trick, sometimes it halts the whole server.
Point is I don't want something as critical as my OS file system relying on SQL to tell me if my files should be backed up or not...one bad worm and bad news for everyone!