You're right about those damn red "X"s. The first time I voted (1988) I stuck my head outta the booth and asked if my choices were right. It should be a green check or something.
I think our system is fine. What *is* dangerous is the astounding level of laziness among voters. Only half the people in the country voted and among those that did turn out, these folks in FL were too damn lazy to make sure that they voted for the right guy.
The reason that there is not "national ballot" is that it is up to each district to design their ballot. I'm not sure it's a good reason but it is *the* reason. The ballot in question is a good example. This ballot is very different from other ballots in FL due to its redesign using large print for the elderly voters....
Well, if Bill Schneider said it, it must be true! Indeed, we should just have Bill Schneider resolve the situation for us. Look, if you don't take the time and pay attention to what the fuck you are doing then it's your own damn fault.
I'm not in denial but I think you may have missed my point. Let me restate: As linux gets into the hands of more and more users, a different kind of support mechanism will be required. That's all.
you're right, if only for a particular segment of users. The Linux crowd seems to be experiencing some sort of schizophrenic (sp?) episode that is likely related to growing pains. Is Linux a server OS? A Desktop OS? Both? There are those that tell everyone RTFM or "it's a volunteer effort, go away". That crowd is outta touch with the part of the user base that is new to Linux and those that are evangelizing for Linux on the desktop. Like it or not, as Linux reaches more and more people, there will have to be more Windows-like support mechanisms and resources available. End-users need this kind of help and unless someone steps in to provide this help, Linux will suffer due to it's own success.
Companies will pay for daycare to attract and retain talent. It's that simple. From the companies viewpoint, it's not different from any other benefit. It simply costs money. If it seems to be effective in retaining/attracting employees, they'll do it. If you're single and don't get a kickback as you don't use the daycare and that pisses you off, leave. The democracy ends at the office door, ladies and gents. Companies will operate in whatever (normally legal) manner that benefits the company most. If you're the odd man out, prepare to piss and moan all you want but it isn't going to achieve anything.
Good point about the old library. BTW, He tried following the link on the qt web page and it did lead to a ftp server but there was only one OS directory for the library: slackware. Look, the story isn't contrived and this thread, with all of it's twists, turns and insults (not necessarily from Dunbar), makes my point in spades....IMHO...:)
Unfortunately, your attitude is only too prevalent. It's always easiest to say "He's an idiot! He should have (insert rant here)". The point, which you seem to have lost along the way, is that it is hard to install software. In Windows, for instance, insert CD and follow prompts. If you can't see past the KDE issue, we could move on to printing under linux.....
You're making my point for me, thanks! People naturally take the path of least resistance. This is a lesson that the OS zealots, regardless of viewpoint, need to take to heart. It isn't as simple as saying "Well, they should just learn. I did."
Ghosting doesn't count...:) I'm no MS crusader but at least when you install NT you get the windowing system. God help you if you're using RH and don't initially install KDE. I don't know much about Debian, is apt-get along the same lines as RH packages?
"in the business environment, most users will not be installing applications, much less the OS. nobody gives a fuck about what os people use at home"
True enough, but even in the business environment, do you think that the IT people want to fuck around for hours on end trying to get a simple Windowing env. to work? Unless you're company is using Linux 'cause it's free, I would think you'd prefer to spend your time (and money) educating your admins on how to do useful things.
Easy: lots.
A friend of mine who is fairly new to Linux was trying to install KDE. It's a great looking windowing system but:
He attempted to install KDE from scratch and had it die repeatedly as he searched for the right package to install first. Easy enough I told him, goto kde.org. Oh, I see, the directions consist of "rpm -i pckgname". Hmmm, also mentions that he needs qt. Then go on a convoluted search for qt. Ah, it's on the RH disk, install that and try KDE again....oh, he seem to be missing some library or other. Then try to figure out which package the missing OS support libs are in.
While it's easy enough to deflect most of the above, there's nothing there that's false. A windowing system (or other usable piece of software) should *not* be that hard to install. BTW, I'm not picking on just KDE here but don't even start clutching the KDE emblem to your respective chests and crying out "KDE is all volunteer!". It may be true but it's not going to help a newbie install KDE (or other software).
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I don't want to start a political debate but.....Anymore it is not just the letter of the law that the government uses to make people conform to an Approved Lifestyle(tm). It is more insidious than that. Consider the "Targeted Tax Cut." With these things, if you live the "Approved Lifestyle" you get the tax cut, if not, you're outta luck. You middle-aged and single? *bzzzt* sorry, not tax relief for you. Oh, you have a kid and are married....here you go, cash from the Treasury! This is a rather simple illustration but the whole process can (and is right now) devolve to to an equivelant of laws dictating these same principles. It's what government thinks is best for us.
Who cares. Type it the way you like it. If more people would concentrate on putting something meaningful in their email and ensure that their screed is actually understandable, I'd be a happier person.
The part of the interview with their CEO reminds me of the old Borland/Microsoft days when Kahn came out with some over the top comment every other day. I suppose that it really is the only way a small company can get in the ring with MS. 16 new apps this year? New office suite next year....sure. Throw enough shit against the wall and hopefully something will stick.
Actually, the recent uprising against Milosevic didn't require guns as the opposition was smart enough to strike a deal with the military and police in advance of the street demonstrations. It had nothing to do with how many guns were available. What will, no doubt, disappoint you is the fact that the opposition had a 1000 man militia standing by, "just in case".
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You're right about those damn red "X"s. The first time I voted (1988) I stuck my head outta the booth and asked if my choices were right. It should be a green check or something.
I saw that. Very strange. I'm not sure what a federal judge could do in the case in any event. It's a state matter....
I think our system is fine. What *is* dangerous is the astounding level of laziness among voters. Only half the people in the country voted and among those that did turn out, these folks in FL were too damn lazy to make sure that they voted for the right guy.
The reason that there is not "national ballot" is that it is up to each district to design their ballot. I'm not sure it's a good reason but it is *the* reason. The ballot in question is a good example. This ballot is very different from other ballots in FL due to its redesign using large print for the elderly voters....
the polls in western florida closed one hour later than the rest of FL. They are on central time....
Well, if Bill Schneider said it, it must be true! Indeed, we should just have Bill Schneider resolve the situation for us. Look, if you don't take the time and pay attention to what the fuck you are doing then it's your own damn fault.
I'm not in denial but I think you may have missed my point. Let me restate: As linux gets into the hands of more and more users, a different kind of support mechanism will be required. That's all.
you're right, if only for a particular segment of users. The Linux crowd seems to be experiencing some sort of schizophrenic (sp?) episode that is likely related to growing pains. Is Linux a server OS? A Desktop OS? Both? There are those that tell everyone RTFM or "it's a volunteer effort, go away". That crowd is outta touch with the part of the user base that is new to Linux and those that are evangelizing for Linux on the desktop. Like it or not, as Linux reaches more and more people, there will have to be more Windows-like support mechanisms and resources available. End-users need this kind of help and unless someone steps in to provide this help, Linux will suffer due to it's own success.
Companies will pay for daycare to attract and retain talent. It's that simple. From the companies viewpoint, it's not different from any other benefit. It simply costs money. If it seems to be effective in retaining/attracting employees, they'll do it. If you're single and don't get a kickback as you don't use the daycare and that pisses you off, leave. The democracy ends at the office door, ladies and gents. Companies will operate in whatever (normally legal) manner that benefits the company most. If you're the odd man out, prepare to piss and moan all you want but it isn't going to achieve anything.
ever heard of the marriage tax?
It sounds like maybe he should be using debian, if what I've read is accurate....:)
Good point about the old library. BTW, He tried following the link on the qt web page and it did lead to a ftp server but there was only one OS directory for the library: slackware. Look, the story isn't contrived and this thread, with all of it's twists, turns and insults (not necessarily from Dunbar), makes my point in spades....IMHO...:)
Unfortunately, your attitude is only too prevalent. It's always easiest to say "He's an idiot! He should have (insert rant here)". The point, which you seem to have lost along the way, is that it is hard to install software. In Windows, for instance, insert CD and follow prompts. If you can't see past the KDE issue, we could move on to printing under linux.....
You're making my point for me, thanks! People naturally take the path of least resistance. This is a lesson that the OS zealots, regardless of viewpoint, need to take to heart. It isn't as simple as saying "Well, they should just learn. I did."
Ghosting doesn't count...:) I'm no MS crusader but at least when you install NT you get the windowing system. God help you if you're using RH and don't initially install KDE. I don't know much about Debian, is apt-get along the same lines as RH packages?
"in the business environment, most users will not be installing applications, much less the OS. nobody gives a fuck about what os people use at home" True enough, but even in the business environment, do you think that the IT people want to fuck around for hours on end trying to get a simple Windowing env. to work? Unless you're company is using Linux 'cause it's free, I would think you'd prefer to spend your time (and money) educating your admins on how to do useful things.
Easy: lots. A friend of mine who is fairly new to Linux was trying to install KDE. It's a great looking windowing system but: He attempted to install KDE from scratch and had it die repeatedly as he searched for the right package to install first. Easy enough I told him, goto kde.org. Oh, I see, the directions consist of "rpm -i pckgname". Hmmm, also mentions that he needs qt. Then go on a convoluted search for qt. Ah, it's on the RH disk, install that and try KDE again....oh, he seem to be missing some library or other. Then try to figure out which package the missing OS support libs are in. While it's easy enough to deflect most of the above, there's nothing there that's false. A windowing system (or other usable piece of software) should *not* be that hard to install. BTW, I'm not picking on just KDE here but don't even start clutching the KDE emblem to your respective chests and crying out "KDE is all volunteer!". It may be true but it's not going to help a newbie install KDE (or other software).
to get worse. Carnivore today, omnivore tomrrow.
I don't want to start a political debate but.....Anymore it is not just the letter of the law that the government uses to make people conform to an Approved Lifestyle(tm). It is more insidious than that. Consider the "Targeted Tax Cut." With these things, if you live the "Approved Lifestyle" you get the tax cut, if not, you're outta luck. You middle-aged and single? *bzzzt* sorry, not tax relief for you. Oh, you have a kid and are married....here you go, cash from the Treasury! This is a rather simple illustration but the whole process can (and is right now) devolve to to an equivelant of laws dictating these same principles. It's what government thinks is best for us.
Who cares. Type it the way you like it. If more people would concentrate on putting something meaningful in their email and ensure that their screed is actually understandable, I'd be a happier person.
The part of the interview with their CEO reminds me of the old Borland/Microsoft days when Kahn came out with some over the top comment every other day. I suppose that it really is the only way a small company can get in the ring with MS. 16 new apps this year? New office suite next year....sure. Throw enough shit against the wall and hopefully something will stick.
Actually, the recent uprising against Milosevic didn't require guns as the opposition was smart enough to strike a deal with the military and police in advance of the street demonstrations. It had nothing to do with how many guns were available. What will, no doubt, disappoint you is the fact that the opposition had a 1000 man militia standing by, "just in case".
Only if Al Gore is elected...:)
Unfortunately, nobody else in the vicinty will be able to do a whole hell of alot either. Neutron bombs have a rather wide area of influence....
shit, they've been doing this for years w/o the fancy digital editing rig. Ever heard of Dateline?