But was there any inidication? Were they going down hill? And of course the most important question: What on earth do they have that's gonna be better? Fear Factor with Hentai Anime?
actually, I hate to get technical with you, but
America isn't a Rogue nation out of control,
it is the last super power with no-one to keep it in check.
Since its developed a structure based on these checks and balances of its adversaries, now that the big adversaries are gone they need to invent new ones to keep the structure rolling.
Hopefully they'll get smart and just make the us population its adversary.
So I sez to my wife "Wife, this game is great! You pick up prostitutes, have them 'do there thing', and then beat 'em up to get your money back!"
So she sez "okay, show me!"
So I do... and to say the least she was rather unimpressed. Millions of polygons, more ram, more space on the dvd-roms, and a creaky car is the best they could come up with?
I have a great way to avoid all the hype-
STOP WATCHING TV. No, really. Get very very busy, (work, take some part time graduate school classes, and be a grader for a Data Structures class (it truly pays for itself when you get to see the WHACK code the youngin's of today are compiling))-
This way you have to tape record/tivo all the shows you want to watch. Then, Fast Forward through commercials.
While your at it, don't ready crappy magazines & newspapers.
If you just so happen to be a big company that has been taking "good" metrics of your previous SW engineering projects for the past 7-10 years,
and you are presented with a new project that is somewhat similar to your old projects, you can EASILY estimate accurate schedules.
it's all about empirical evidence: how have we been performing? that's a great indicator of how we will continue to perform.
BUT BARRING THAT:
Basically- you come up with a plan, you see how feasible it is, if your plan slips you have multiple plan B's, and you track as you go.
Then, to win the bid, you make your estimates a bit more aggressive;)
now what if you aren't a big company that's been taking metrics? You start out with your "old programmers intuition" on how long things should take- and you break 'em down (like we do to every problem)- and you then divide those pieces over time (taking dependencies in mind). Then- track your progress- if you are falling behind and not delivering the estimated value you thought you could be, look at your process. you are either 1) doing something wrong, 2) introducing too many bottlenecks for your developers, 3) didn't have an accurate grasp of the problem 4) you are in the wrong business and you should declare bankruptcy.
I got this software engineering thing ALL werked out! (this "english-thing" however, is a much tougher nut to crack)
So you have this problem! You are behind schedule! Oh no! What to do! Well, this should have been taken care of in your intial Risk mitigation and management assesment.
Are you going to school to get a masters/PhD and be a Mr/Mrs Know-it-all on computer science? Or are you just some guy who likes computers and stuff and wants to get a job writing code?
Despite my dogged studies of semiconductor engineering, I found it easier to get a job writing code becuase I happened to have an on campus job integrating Adobe Acrobat forms with an Oracle DB using Perl.
Was any of it a waste? No. But in todays job market (unless you have a 4.0 GPA) people won't hire without experience. And especially in the US, college is really just the step everybody takes before getting a job.
However, there could be a very good reason for writing games for a class. If his team evolves a Software Engineering Process (using various techniques like modifying PSP) while writing a game, that satisfies BOTH the educational aspect and the "I have job skills" aspect. We did that on our software engineering class. It's a good way to stay motivated about a project (and our networked Uno game kicked ass!)
I DID ask Tom Christiansen something about Perl...
And he was downright helpful.
But I HAD read the FAQ, and I had been lurking for 3 weeks straight, reading EVERY message in comp.lang.perl (on my employers dime, of course)
So what I'm saying is that I didn't just blunder in, but I studied on how to enter this "scene" gracefully.
To bring it back on Topic:The scorn and "US vs Them" mentality is present in any group/scene with the sentience to know that it is a group. So the question is "chicken vs. egg": does every group embody this "Us vs Them" view becuase it is forced upon us by a society driven by competition? i.e.- it's forced on us by the Jocks and its kill or be killed? Or is it a natural by-product of specialization and focusing in on one mode of being?
Basically, it says after ten years, cigarette, alcohol, marijuana, and illicit drug use (not marijuana) atitudes were completely unaffected by dare.
Booyakka
Re:I'm wary of combining art and computers(TB 303)
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Firstly- moderate MacHack's post up!
Secondly, one must realize that computer art does not equal traditional art (just ask anyone in D.U.M.B.O. (p.s.- if anyone went to the Open Studios this weekend- wasn't it dope?!!))
I'll give you an easy example- Electronic music, and specifically, keyboards. No matter how much they try to make it sound like a piano, it's usually crappy. However in a half-failed attempt to sound like a bass guitar, a musical instrument was created that defied all previous conceptions of how one can make music. And by pushing this machine to the edge with a human controlling it in real time, Art was born.
I am speaking of the Roland TB-303. Plenty can be found on the web, including sound samples so I won't rehash it here.
The beauty of machine art is that a machine is designed for a small subset of situations and purposes. But what happens when you throw it into a completely knew scenario that it isn't quite ready for? Under the control of deft hands,
You Get Art. Really GOOD art.
Yeah, I don't know much about the german legal system, but I know that in the US you have to actually NAME all defendants (at least in civil suits). Or is this different becuase it is a "patent violation"? Don't you still have to sue some entity?
from babbelfish:
" these regulations become obviously hurt by the described restaurant espionage activity
of the suspects ".
This wouldn't be the first time restaurant espionage has ruined lives. Especially when your "industrial secrets" are actually french fries and you return from the rest room to find them stolen!
Hey I've been living and breathing the tar gzip thing (I've even been living in an LZOP world (For those in the know)) for quite some time, but I never heard of TGZ becuase I don't mix platforms. I unix at work, I mac at home, and I windows as rarely as possible. Booyakka.
Well, there is a little bit of horror/gothic element to it, but to classify it simply as that is like saying "star wars is just another sci-fi movie".
Mermaid Forest was the reason I stuck with anime (after the Cheese of Video Girl Ai, Bubble gum Crash (no where near as good as crisis) and a host of other cheesy vids). 4 thumbs up.
The PR that companies get from having their games out there (the "fame", if you will) benefits a creator of a commidity EVEN MORE SO if the commodity is current.
yes, big difference on the surface, however in theory the "cut" in sales doesn't compare to the sales generated from "try before you buy". And just because Metallica's new singles are played on the radio doesn't necessarily mean that I'll like what they were putting out three albums ago...
Of course, the other similarity, is that they are alienating *ME*, a cheapskate who HAS money to spend.
Very similar to Metallica "protecting their interests"... It's just a shame that companies have lawyers on retainer with nothing better to do than look at copyright infringements, without realizing the "quality" of the situation: 1)these games aren't being sold any more 2) these games aren't being sold by the so-called "pirates" 3) if anything, this generates good PR for what the company produced in the past, sort of a testament to their greatness. It's not about dollars, it's about sense.
However, I'm not sure the old game designers have their old code... I think at most they have assembly of their code (not the easiest to learn from, considering it's hardware dep.), and considering in the 8bit days they hack just to get the whole game to fit into 4k (or maybe 8k) with graphics and music, it probably is all based on machine exploits. But I could be wrong
Slashdot Mirror
Its a shame to see it go...
But was there any inidication? Were they going down hill? And of course the most important question: What on earth do they have that's gonna be better? Fear Factor with Hentai Anime?
sheez...
I think you mean:
Hollywood loves problematic characters, HAS problematic people.
Whatever. Good or bad, this is publicity.
This whole article, the whole court case,
is the biggest example of TROLLING...
never mind Vanevar (sp?) Bush, nor prior art.
So this is what happens when trolls grow up and get knighted...
How is the above message off topic?!
I hate moderators. I can't wait until I'm a moderator.
Not only is the above either A) contradictory or B) a great example of my own self loathing, but ITS OFF TOPIC.
please moderate me as such.
Not even a fist up your ass would make you clever.
Ha!
I would expect the parent in this thread to be modded as funny, but I guess all humor is relative.
No wait... wrong physics principle/theory!
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actually, I hate to get technical with you, but
America isn't a Rogue nation out of control,
it is the last super power with no-one to keep it in check.
Since its developed a structure based on these checks and balances of its adversaries, now that the big adversaries are gone they need to invent new ones to keep the structure rolling.
Hopefully they'll get smart and just make the us population its adversary.
So I sez to my wife "Wife, this game is great! You pick up prostitutes, have them 'do there thing', and then beat 'em up to get your money back!"
So she sez "okay, show me!"
So I do... and to say the least she was rather unimpressed. Millions of polygons, more ram, more space on the dvd-roms, and a creaky car is the best they could come up with?
Wife was not offended. THIS GAME SUCKS!
bwaaahaaahaaahaahaahaahaahaa!
I have a great way to avoid all the hype-
STOP WATCHING TV. No, really. Get very very busy, (work, take some part time graduate school classes, and be a grader for a Data Structures class (it truly pays for itself when you get to see the WHACK code the youngin's of today are compiling))-
This way you have to tape record/tivo all the shows you want to watch. Then, Fast Forward through commercials.
While your at it, don't ready crappy magazines & newspapers.
Voila!
P.S.- I'll take a 9 piece.
If you just so happen to be a big company that has been taking "good" metrics of your previous SW engineering projects for the past 7-10 years,
;)
and you are presented with a new project that is somewhat similar to your old projects, you can EASILY estimate accurate schedules.
it's all about empirical evidence: how have we been performing? that's a great indicator of how we will continue to perform.
BUT BARRING THAT:
Basically- you come up with a plan, you see how feasible it is, if your plan slips you have multiple plan B's, and you track as you go.
Then, to win the bid, you make your estimates a bit more aggressive
now what if you aren't a big company that's been taking metrics? You start out with your "old programmers intuition" on how long things should take- and you break 'em down (like we do to every problem)- and you then divide those pieces over time (taking dependencies in mind). Then- track your progress- if you are falling behind and not delivering the estimated value you thought you could be, look at your process. you are either 1) doing something wrong, 2) introducing too many bottlenecks for your developers, 3) didn't have an accurate grasp of the problem 4) you are in the wrong business and you should declare bankruptcy.
I got this software engineering thing ALL werked out! (this "english-thing" however, is a much tougher nut to crack)
So you have this problem! You are behind schedule! Oh no! What to do! Well, this should have been taken care of in your intial Risk mitigation and management assesment.
Here is the crux of the education issue:
Are you going to school to get a masters/PhD and be a Mr/Mrs Know-it-all on computer science? Or are you just some guy who likes computers and stuff and wants to get a job writing code?
Despite my dogged studies of semiconductor engineering, I found it easier to get a job writing code becuase I happened to have an on campus job integrating Adobe Acrobat forms with an Oracle DB using Perl.
Was any of it a waste? No. But in todays job market (unless you have a 4.0 GPA) people won't hire without experience. And especially in the US, college is really just the step everybody takes before getting a job.
However, there could be a very good reason for writing games for a class. If his team evolves a Software Engineering Process (using various techniques like modifying PSP) while writing a game, that satisfies BOTH the educational aspect and the "I have job skills" aspect. We did that on our software engineering class. It's a good way to stay motivated about a project (and our networked Uno game kicked ass!)
Troll?
just goes to show that any John Q. Moron can be a moderator.
And this TOO was flame-bait!
I DID ask Tom Christiansen something about Perl...
And he was downright helpful.
But I HAD read the FAQ, and I had been lurking for 3 weeks straight, reading EVERY message in comp.lang.perl (on my employers dime, of course)
So what I'm saying is that I didn't just blunder in, but I studied on how to enter this "scene" gracefully.
To bring it back on Topic:The scorn and "US vs Them" mentality is present in any group/scene with the sentience to know that it is a group. So the question is "chicken vs. egg": does every group embody this "Us vs Them" view becuase it is forced upon us by a society driven by competition? i.e.- it's forced on us by the Jocks and its kill or be killed?
Or is it a natural by-product of specialization and focusing in on one mode of being?
The link to the abstract is here.
Basically, it says after ten years, cigarette, alcohol, marijuana, and illicit drug use (not marijuana) atitudes were completely unaffected by dare.
Booyakka
Firstly- moderate MacHack's post up!
Secondly, one must realize that computer art does not equal traditional art (just ask anyone in D.U.M.B.O. (p.s.- if anyone went to the Open Studios this weekend- wasn't it dope?!!))
I'll give you an easy example- Electronic music, and specifically, keyboards. No matter how much they try to make it sound like a piano, it's usually crappy. However in a half-failed attempt to sound like a bass guitar, a musical instrument was created that defied all previous conceptions of how one can make music. And by pushing this machine to the edge with a human controlling it in real time, Art was born.
I am speaking of the Roland TB-303. Plenty can be found on the web, including sound samples so I won't rehash it here.
The beauty of machine art is that a machine is designed for a small subset of situations and purposes. But what happens when you throw it into a completely knew scenario that it isn't quite ready for? Under the control of deft hands, You Get Art. Really GOOD art.
Mekkab Out.
Yeah, I don't know much about the german legal system, but I know that in the US you have to actually NAME all defendants (at least in civil suits). Or is this different becuase it is a "patent violation"? Don't you still have to sue some entity?
from babbelfish: " these regulations become obviously hurt by the described restaurant espionage activity of the suspects ".
This wouldn't be the first time restaurant espionage has ruined lives. Especially when your "industrial secrets" are actually french fries and you return from the rest room to find them stolen!
Sorry, haven't had my coffee yet.
actually, it was Visicalc that lead the spreadsheet/PC revolution.
Sorry to knitpick.
Hey I've been living and breathing the tar gzip thing (I've even been living in an LZOP world (For those in the know)) for quite some time, but I never heard of TGZ becuase I don't mix platforms. I unix at work, I mac at home, and I windows as rarely as possible.
Booyakka.
title says it all.
Spooky- I JUST finished reading METROPHAGE too (they used lampreys to rebuild nerve tissue)
Just another case of reality following cyber-fiction.
Well, there is a little bit of horror/gothic element to it, but to classify it simply as that is like saying "star wars is just another sci-fi movie".
Mermaid Forest was the reason I stuck with anime (after the Cheese of Video Girl Ai, Bubble gum Crash (no where near as good as crisis) and a host of other cheesy vids).
4 thumbs up.
That wasn't Ted.... THAT WAS BILL JOY!!!
P.S.- Mark this whole thread as TROLL/O.T.
please...for me...
The PR that companies get from having their games out there (the "fame", if you will) benefits a creator of a commidity EVEN MORE SO if the commodity is current.
yes, big difference on the surface, however in theory the "cut" in sales doesn't compare to the sales generated from "try before you buy".
And just because Metallica's new singles are played on the radio doesn't necessarily mean that I'll like what they were putting out three albums ago...
Of course, the other similarity, is that they are alienating *ME*, a cheapskate who HAS money to spend.
Very similar to Metallica "protecting their interests"...
It's just a shame that companies have lawyers on retainer with nothing better to do than look at copyright infringements, without realizing the "quality" of the situation: 1)these games aren't being sold any more 2) these games aren't being sold by the so-called "pirates" 3) if anything, this generates good PR for what the company produced in the past, sort of a testament to their greatness. It's not about dollars, it's about sense.
However, I'm not sure the old game designers have their old code... I think at most they have assembly of their code (not the easiest to learn from, considering it's hardware dep.), and considering in the 8bit days they hack just to get the whole game to fit into 4k (or maybe 8k) with graphics and music, it probably is all based on machine exploits. But I could be wrong