I have to say, Linux - in my experience - has truly suffered from a lack of real enterprise usage.
This person may be asking about some aspects of enterprise service levels (eg reliability, applicability, security, etc) but I have yet to see anyone state anything relating to how to manage potentially hundreds or thousands of systems.
Are you going to log into each server to document what's running and what versions the apps are?
That's where true Enterprise Level Support comes in. RHN (RedHat Network). It may or may not be the best - I definitely have some major beefs with it - but this is a good start into managing MANY different servers.
Example: a recent set of vuln disclosures were released from RedHat. With it came a list of all affected servers on our network.
I'd hate to see this topic become just another way to get/. to host a "what's your favorite distro" discussion.
If only they'd have real Mac support. They have native Winbloze, but you have to run OOo under X11 to make it work on a Mac. Not to mention that it's a full release behind.
Sorry, but I've got enough bloat already. Shouldn't need X11 just for this.
By the way, since the XBox 2 will use the PowerPC G5, it shouldn't be that difficult to port future XBox games to the Power Mac G5 and the iMac, both of which are 64-bit now.
By the logic above, all games made for Windows should be available on x86 Linux because it's easy to port. You know, the Processor has everything to do with what toolkit, libraries, and so on that you use. Hell man, just import some magic glibc-linux.h and voila: ./configure --platform=linux && make && make install
I work at a hosting company. Thousands of servers. Even more clients. The dumb ones all setup catchalls. The really dumb ones setup catchalls and vacation messages.
Catchall's are not worth the SPAM. Think about it, don't your customers and friends know how to contact you? If not, then you better do a better marketing job. A catchall is only good for SPAM, or when the system sucks too much and it just can't handle an email alias or 50.
Perhaps it's just a gimmick. All jokes aside, Hotmail is still part of MickeySoft and them increasing it to 25MB is still a joke in the face of what the other big boys are doing.
But, we should still make consideration for the face that hotmail has tons of users. Gmail is new, although there are good minds behind it. Yahoo is looking for any way to make the press. MickeySoft doesn't necessarily need to attract users so much as retain and build upon that retention.
That sounds a bit like Windows Dominance and all the/. stories lately.
I can't be the first to think of this, but here goes.
- Compile a fair amount of evidence showing how the US Patent Office has really messed things up (eg, Amazon, this patent, and many other good ones) - Present that to the EU signed by thousands of EU citizens
I know that there have been Open Letters and other activites, but why not do their homework for them? Show them why Patent Systems, like the one in the US, suck poopy and abridge the rights of innovators and honest business. Litigation is good for rich lawyers and nothing else. It is NOT good for humanity.
Yeah yeah, I have no legal background so I couldn't do it myself. So I ask others. Hang me. Or better yet, get a patent on not knowing everything and then sue me.
- Allows for all 3rd World Countries to have an average wage of $0.02 a day (yeah, it's not there yet - and don't mention the huge debt that will NEVER be forgiven) which...
- Which makes 1st and 2nd World Countries compete with more outsourcing, unemployment, et al until their wages are roughly the same which...
- Makes for a much better world. Very even. 1% of the population owns everything. 99% starves.
Gotta love that Free Trade. Though, you can't argue that it works out well (even quite beautifully).
Although I believe there is a transfer limit somewhere around 1GB a month for residential users, they don't seem to police it. I've been using SpeakEasy for over 3 years, have had some months with much more than 1GB used, and never a letter stating that I went over.
Perhaps if I maxxed out my connection (1.5 down) for 3 days straight, they might say something... But then, that's to be expected. The more you use, the less availability for everyone else. Unless their network sux, it should take a good number of people maxxing out to really cause a problem. After all, your end is capped.
Have you worked in a large environment? If so, you most likely would not say something like that.
Companies spend a lot of time and money investing in products. When a large installed base exists, moving from that to something else is a huge undertaking. New resources provided, new training (not every distro is the same, which I'm sure you're aware of).....
To just migrate hundreds or a thousand servers is not something that can just be done in the blink of an eye, or maybe ever if you're business is webhosting. Customers lease the systems, we don't control them as normal SysAds.
But then, you saw the writing on the wall better than everyone else, got to point it out in such a harsh way, feeling much better about your little life, and yet you're still feeling inadequate.
Go ahead, try to be rude some more. People just love it.
Word of advice, you had something interesting to say. Next time, just stop at that point. No need to add the rude, childish dribble.
You're idea of OSS is pretty lacking and you're assumptions are clearly overdone. Does my company support OSS, yes. Are all of our UNIX people from the OSS community, no. A few of them have Solaris backgrounds (guess you got me there). Do we support OSS projects, yes.
Gravy train huh? Let's see how popular Linux would be without corporate adoption (regardless of how much they've paid a single vendor). Also, I said the company has thousands of servers, only hundreds are linux. Entire business model? Guess you can't read.
Wow, you guys really are bigotted little snots. I hope you're not representative of what slashdot is going to become.
I work for a large WebHosting Company. I'm not due to start work for a few more hours, but I can already imagine some of the things that must be happening.
We have thousands of servers, hundreds of them are RedHat Linux. Our Flagship Systems Management product runs on RedHat Linux and FreeBSD. Our model has been very effective and efficient so far, because RedHat Linux had known reliability and cost factors. With Cost about to skyrocket, and a limited migration opportunity timeframe, we're screwed. Many other organizations who chose RedHat Linux for similar reasons and deployed it in similar numbers are screwed as well.
IMHO this is a bad move for RedHat only because of the no advance notice. Had they said this 6 months ago, everyone would be in a better position to deal with it.
My company can not, and does not, just go around upgrading all the servers. We do them when the box fails, customer has problems, or is hacked. This is the only time when the customer feels that a change is necessary. No one has the time to migrate en masse.
RedHat does want our money, I can assure you. Though we haven't paid them much, many of our customers have. Plus, we help give them Name Recognition. Customers come to us for our excellence of service (we are actually that good), and if they choose Linux they get RedHat. They learn more about RedHat and coupled with our quality, they will probably continue on in life very happy with the idea of using RedHat Linux.
Now we have to start figuring out what to do. Thanks RedHat. Your loyalty to your customers is crap.
Next time, how about just two weeks for the End of Life announcement.
Unless they're documenting which software has these vulnerabilities (in letters big than 1pt, of a color visible against the background color, and less than 2 clicks away) I'd like to see them sued for it.
FUD is one thing, and many many companies and people get away with it. Libel and Slander *are* illegal.
Tax Dollars build public infrastructure Private Companies/Persons take over New Company gets listed on Stock Market New Company has complete monopoly (from tax dollars) New Company has horrid service
I'm sure if we can bottle this stuff, we'd have a ton of multinational corporations with economies larger than most countries.
If Earthlink, and company, have been doing side deals with spammers for years, and some people have the documentation to prove it, why isn't there a class action lawsuit or something. Lately, in the interest of customer appeasement, brand recognition, and some more advertising many companies like Earthlink have been suing spammers, except we all know they'll never get any money. They already got their money from the 'secret deals'. They are now flaunting their 'respectability' and 'anti spamness', and this should be more reason to applaud them for their legitimate efforts and penalize them for their shady dealings.
I'll never understand why people accept apathy. I know the reasons, but they still get on my nerves.
just use speakeasy. some of the people are dicks, but the company as a whole is awesome. very respectable company, no TOS that says 'we will ownerize you'.
My Company: - Long Hours (all employees are salaried and must work a minimum of 50 scheduled hours per week). - Low pay (because of the economy, you are told from the beginning that they will pay you less than you're worth) - Little Vacation (1 week per year, 3 sick days) - Psycho Managers (very senior management love to fire people, even have one that brags about it)
Your Company: - Expect more (schedule 40, if possible, higher more people especially if you're profitable or economically well off) - Pay what they deserve. A little less, due to the economy is fine, but not a lot less. As soon as the econ picks up, they're history. - Time off is essential. The more you hedge them in, the more they notice and want to get out. - Management must care, and be open. We do have many (if not most) that genuinely care. You can't fake it - you're employees are not rats in a cage.
i worked for a company that bought a few from them. they were pretty happy. the price isn't that bad and customization is allowed. They build their own, so i don't think that you have to mickeysoft anything.
Hotmail always redirects the client to MSN on logout, and this annoyed the hell out of me and my wife. So, with squid, I use a redirector to:
s|www.msn.com|www.lemonde.fr|;
I never hit MSN, and therefore never have this problem. Though, trying to use Hotmail with a non-mickeysoft browser has always been an issue. To anyone stating that Mickeysoft does not intentionally thwart the use of other browsers, I say you're full of it. I've had too many problems for it not to be intentional.
by it's very definition, globablization is precisely about 'outsourcing' jobs to lower income / less restricted areas/regions/countries.
Free Trade Zones/Treaties is exactly what is generally implemented for such activities. A sweat shop or manufacturing plant in Central America (for example) is what it's all about.
When companies such as Oracle boast about having a large amount of their workforce in India, paying them 10 times less than they're US counterparts, how can one question 'if'. The real questions are 'when' and 'what can we do about it'.
When, is ASAP. What we can do, is a lot. Free Trade is good, if we use the definition provided by the rhetoric: such as dropping of tarifs on both sides, no protectionism. But this assumes an already level playing field. Free Trade rhetoric is rarely adopted until there's a clear advantage for the big guys. There is plenty of historical evidence: read British Empire followed by the US Empire.
We can vote, we take part in active decision making, make sure that the people in positions of power are really after our vote and not corporate lobbyists. It's called Meaningful Democracy.
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SPAM will lose it's ability to sell and be such a profitable enterprise once the majority of people currently using email move on to old age.
Think about it. The reason a SPAM'er can survive is because of people who just don't know any better. As soon as the younger generations take over, SPAM'ers will have a much harder fight to survive, to keep ahead of the legal system, and to just make any money.
The younger generations grew up knowing that an unsolicited email is not going to help you enlarge your male piece 10 fold, or your female pieces more perky or whatever. They know that the Nigerians begging for your help with their inheritances are a scam, just like everything else in their inbox. They won't buy into it.
Of course some people will buy into it, always. But this number of people will greatly diminish over the years until SPAM'ers have nothing left to do but find day jobs or report to the Unemployment Department with words such as 'I pissed people off for a living. Remember that evil SPAM thing that used to be so big? That was me'.
I won't go into it too much, but this topic is dealt with very well from an Anthropological perspective. The book is called Why Nothing Works, by Marvin Harris.
Basically the premise is larger coporations eating smaller corporations, drive for profit leading to lack of quality standards and appreciation, more features to keep selling (who can survive if your product is only bought every 10-20 years)... There's more, but that's what the book is for, including giving a possible explanation as to why this came about in the first place, and why we let it continue to get worse.
FYI: Marvin Harris is not only probably one of the most influential Anthropologists of our time, but also writes many books (including this one) in a very easy to follow and understandable way.
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That is absolutely amazing. You should consider writing for the studio behind Pinky and the Brain. Submit this as part of your portfolio.
Go west and you'll just find the pacific.
Go east and you'll just find the atlantic.
The US _is_ the center of the universe. Bush was right all along.
I have to say, Linux - in my experience - has truly suffered from a lack of real enterprise usage.
/. to host a "what's your favorite distro" discussion.
This person may be asking about some aspects of enterprise service levels (eg reliability, applicability, security, etc) but I have yet to see anyone state anything relating to how to manage potentially hundreds or thousands of systems.
Are you going to log into each server to document what's running and what versions the apps are?
That's where true Enterprise Level Support comes in. RHN (RedHat Network). It may or may not be the best - I definitely have some major beefs with it - but this is a good start into managing MANY different servers.
Example: a recent set of vuln disclosures were released from RedHat. With it came a list of all affected servers on our network.
I'd hate to see this topic become just another way to get
If only they'd have real Mac support. They have native Winbloze, but you have to run OOo under X11 to make it work on a Mac. Not to mention that it's a full release behind.
Sorry, but I've got enough bloat already. Shouldn't need X11 just for this.
By the logic above, all games made for Windows should be available on x86 Linux because it's easy to port. You know, the Processor has everything to do with what toolkit, libraries, and so on that you use. Hell man, just import some magic glibc-linux.h and voila:
./configure --platform=linux && make && make install
How do the lies of our politicians fit into the International Section of the NYTimes?
I agree with many that it should be FrontPage news, however even if it's not... Why the International Section? This is Domestic.
I work at a hosting company. Thousands of servers. Even more clients. The dumb ones all setup catchalls. The really dumb ones setup catchalls and vacation messages.
Catchall's are not worth the SPAM. Think about it, don't your customers and friends know how to contact you? If not, then you better do a better marketing job. A catchall is only good for SPAM, or when the system sucks too much and it just can't handle an email alias or 50.
Perhaps it's just a gimmick. All jokes aside, Hotmail is still part of MickeySoft and them increasing it to 25MB is still a joke in the face of what the other big boys are doing.
/. stories lately.
But, we should still make consideration for the face that hotmail has tons of users. Gmail is new, although there are good minds behind it. Yahoo is looking for any way to make the press. MickeySoft doesn't necessarily need to attract users so much as retain and build upon that retention.
That sounds a bit like Windows Dominance and all the
I can't be the first to think of this, but here goes.
- Compile a fair amount of evidence showing how the US Patent Office has really messed things up (eg, Amazon, this patent, and many other good ones)
- Present that to the EU signed by thousands of EU citizens
I know that there have been Open Letters and other activites, but why not do their homework for them? Show them why Patent Systems, like the one in the US, suck poopy and abridge the rights of innovators and honest business. Litigation is good for rich lawyers and nothing else. It is NOT good for humanity.
Yeah yeah, I have no legal background so I couldn't do it myself. So I ask others. Hang me. Or better yet, get a patent on not knowing everything and then sue me.
- Remove Trade Barriers (Environmental, Labor Laws) which
- Reduces National Sovereignty which
- Allows for all 3rd World Countries to have an average wage of $0.02 a day (yeah, it's not there yet - and don't mention the huge debt that will NEVER be forgiven) which
- Which makes 1st and 2nd World Countries compete with more outsourcing, unemployment, et al until their wages are roughly the same which
- Makes for a much better world. Very even. 1% of the population owns everything. 99% starves.
Gotta love that Free Trade. Though, you can't argue that it works out well (even quite beautifully).
So the answer is no.
Although I believe there is a transfer limit somewhere around 1GB a month for residential users, they don't seem to police it. I've been using SpeakEasy for over 3 years, have had some months with much more than 1GB used, and never a letter stating that I went over.
Perhaps if I maxxed out my connection (1.5 down) for 3 days straight, they might say something... But then, that's to be expected. The more you use, the less availability for everyone else. Unless their network sux, it should take a good number of people maxxing out to really cause a problem. After all, your end is capped.
Just choose another distro. Ha!
Have you worked in a large environment? If so, you most likely would not say something like that.
Companies spend a lot of time and money investing in products. When a large installed base exists, moving from that to something else is a huge undertaking. New resources provided, new training (not every distro is the same, which I'm sure you're aware of).....
To just migrate hundreds or a thousand servers is not something that can just be done in the blink of an eye, or maybe ever if you're business is webhosting. Customers lease the systems, we don't control them as normal SysAds.
But then, you saw the writing on the wall better than everyone else, got to point it out in such a harsh way, feeling much better about your little life, and yet you're still feeling inadequate.
Go ahead, try to be rude some more. People just love it.
Word of advice, you had something interesting to say. Next time, just stop at that point. No need to add the rude, childish dribble.
You're idea of OSS is pretty lacking and you're assumptions are clearly overdone. Does my company support OSS, yes. Are all of our UNIX people from the OSS community, no. A few of them have Solaris backgrounds (guess you got me there). Do we support OSS projects, yes.
Gravy train huh? Let's see how popular Linux would be without corporate adoption (regardless of how much they've paid a single vendor). Also, I said the company has thousands of servers, only hundreds are linux. Entire business model? Guess you can't read.
Wow, you guys really are bigotted little snots. I hope you're not representative of what slashdot is going to become.
I work for a large WebHosting Company. I'm not due to start work for a few more hours, but I can already imagine some of the things that must be happening.
We have thousands of servers, hundreds of them are RedHat Linux. Our Flagship Systems Management product runs on RedHat Linux and FreeBSD. Our model has been very effective and efficient so far, because RedHat Linux had known reliability and cost factors. With Cost about to skyrocket, and a limited migration opportunity timeframe, we're screwed. Many other organizations who chose RedHat Linux for similar reasons and deployed it in similar numbers are screwed as well.
IMHO this is a bad move for RedHat only because of the no advance notice. Had they said this 6 months ago, everyone would be in a better position to deal with it.
My company can not, and does not, just go around upgrading all the servers. We do them when the box fails, customer has problems, or is hacked. This is the only time when the customer feels that a change is necessary. No one has the time to migrate en masse.
RedHat does want our money, I can assure you. Though we haven't paid them much, many of our customers have. Plus, we help give them Name Recognition. Customers come to us for our excellence of service (we are actually that good), and if they choose Linux they get RedHat. They learn more about RedHat and coupled with our quality, they will probably continue on in life very happy with the idea of using RedHat Linux.
Now we have to start figuring out what to do.
Thanks RedHat. Your loyalty to your customers is crap.
Next time, how about just two weeks for the End of Life announcement.
Libel is illegal, last I heard.
Unless they're documenting which software has these vulnerabilities (in letters big than 1pt, of a color visible against the background color, and less than 2 clicks away) I'd like to see them sued for it.
FUD is one thing, and many many companies and people get away with it. Libel and Slander *are* illegal.
Let's see:
Tax Dollars build public infrastructure
Private Companies/Persons take over
New Company gets listed on Stock Market
New Company has complete monopoly (from tax dollars)
New Company has horrid service
I'm sure if we can bottle this stuff, we'd have a ton of multinational corporations with economies larger than most countries.
Dammit, someone beat me to it.
If Earthlink, and company, have been doing side deals with spammers for years, and some people have the documentation to prove it, why isn't there a class action lawsuit or something. Lately, in the interest of customer appeasement, brand recognition, and some more advertising many companies like Earthlink have been suing spammers, except we all know they'll never get any money. They already got their money from the 'secret deals'. They are now flaunting their 'respectability' and 'anti spamness', and this should be more reason to applaud them for their legitimate efforts and penalize them for their shady dealings.
I'll never understand why people accept apathy. I know the reasons, but they still get on my nerves.
just use speakeasy. some of the people are dicks, but the company as a whole is awesome. very respectable company, no TOS that says 'we will ownerize you'.
My Company:
- Long Hours (all employees are salaried and must work a minimum of 50 scheduled hours per week).
- Low pay (because of the economy, you are told from the beginning that they will pay you less than you're worth)
- Little Vacation (1 week per year, 3 sick days)
- Psycho Managers (very senior management love to fire people, even have one that brags about it)
Your Company:
- Expect more (schedule 40, if possible, higher more people especially if you're profitable or economically well off)
- Pay what they deserve. A little less, due to the economy is fine, but not a lot less. As soon as the econ picks up, they're history.
- Time off is essential. The more you hedge them in, the more they notice and want to get out.
- Management must care, and be open. We do have many (if not most) that genuinely care. You can't fake it - you're employees are not rats in a cage.
i worked for a company that bought a few from them. they were pretty happy. the price isn't that bad and customization is allowed. They build their own, so i don't think that you have to mickeysoft anything.
I have the easiest solution to this MSN problem.
Hotmail always redirects the client to MSN on logout, and this annoyed the hell out of me and my wife. So, with squid, I use a redirector to:
s|www.msn.com|www.lemonde.fr|;
I never hit MSN, and therefore never have this problem. Though, trying to use Hotmail with a non-mickeysoft browser has always been an issue. To anyone stating that Mickeysoft does not intentionally thwart the use of other browsers, I say you're full of it. I've had too many problems for it not to be intentional.
by it's very definition, globablization is precisely about 'outsourcing' jobs to lower income / less restricted areas/regions/countries.
Free Trade Zones/Treaties is exactly what is generally implemented for such activities. A sweat shop or manufacturing plant in Central America (for example) is what it's all about.
When companies such as Oracle boast about having a large amount of their workforce in India, paying them 10 times less than they're US counterparts, how can one question 'if'. The real questions are 'when' and 'what can we do about it'.
When, is ASAP. What we can do, is a lot. Free Trade is good, if we use the definition provided by the rhetoric: such as dropping of tarifs on both sides, no protectionism. But this assumes an already level playing field. Free Trade rhetoric is rarely adopted until there's a clear advantage for the big guys. There is plenty of historical evidence: read British Empire followed by the US Empire.
We can vote, we take part in active decision making, make sure that the people in positions of power are really after our vote and not corporate lobbyists. It's called Meaningful Democracy.
SPAM will lose it's ability to sell and be such a profitable enterprise once the majority of people currently using email move on to old age.
Think about it. The reason a SPAM'er can survive is because of people who just don't know any better. As soon as the younger generations take over, SPAM'ers will have a much harder fight to survive, to keep ahead of the legal system, and to just make any money.
The younger generations grew up knowing that an unsolicited email is not going to help you enlarge your male piece 10 fold, or your female pieces more perky or whatever. They know that the Nigerians begging for your help with their inheritances are a scam, just like everything else in their inbox. They won't buy into it.
Of course some people will buy into it, always. But this number of people will greatly diminish over the years until SPAM'ers have nothing left to do but find day jobs or report to the Unemployment Department with words such as 'I pissed people off for a living. Remember that evil SPAM thing that used to be so big? That was me'.
this is almost exactly what i had been thinking since i saw it on the news last night.
like your examples, they're funny
Basically the premise is larger coporations eating smaller corporations, drive for profit leading to lack of quality standards and appreciation, more features to keep selling (who can survive if your product is only bought every 10-20 years)... There's more, but that's what the book is for, including giving a possible explanation as to why this came about in the first place, and why we let it continue to get worse.
FYI: Marvin Harris is not only probably one of the most influential Anthropologists of our time, but also writes many books (including this one) in a very easy to follow and understandable way.