Logic skills taught to those people who have "social skills"
While I can understand the desire to teach social skills, I wish people would stop thumping on people with strong technical abilities.
For example, say you are a born classical musician, and are quite good. They would say you are cultured and have everything life needs. YET, if the same happened to a mathematician, well then they are not balanced.
Really? Not knowing how to calculate yourself out of a wet paper bag is balanced?
So sure I will take social skills, so long as the others take logic skills.
Anybody who lives in Europe knows about German "social skills"
1) Queues? Who needs them, I will just jump ahead. 2) Reserving lounge chairs with towels at 5 AM! Yeah that makes sense, I will reserve something when I am not even there... 3) Taking a vacation anywhere in Europe only to hear the noisy drunks, and people asking, "why can't they get real bread or real sausages, like we have in Germany." When I was living on the French Riveria, German friends brought their own food. I asked why? They said, "French can't make food like Germans can." Oh YEAH, the German cuisine is known for its good taste! Better than French (NOT!)
Germans are good at many things (building [insert product name here]), but social graces is not a German trait. But then again, maybe this course is typical German! Pushy, want to right the system and think on how they have social graces...
For those wondering, I AM GERMAN (born there, have the passport, though lived for the most part in Canada and the States)! Right now I live in Switzerland. And yes I have problems living with my own "country kin".
In 1995 my wife and I moved to Europe. These days when we visit Canada or North America we are totally amazed at the Christmas tree ontop of cop cars. It makes NO SENSE...
Mercedes does have quite a bit of SPAM themselves. We get the "Mercedes" magazine, and get regular invites to view the new Mercedes. It is SPAM... The thing is that Mercedes actually does this very tactfully, and very carefully. Personally I don't actually mind it. Actually with Mercedes you feel nice.
For example, (probably others offer the service as well), whenever I take my Mercedes in to get the tires changed (winter, summer, replacement) or to get a checkup they clean my car. And they spray it with nice perfume, etc. It is nice...
Would I buy a Mercedes again? Heck yes! Do I hate their SPAM? Heck no...
If I go back and think about when I lost my virginity I have say it was not the most exciting of times. Sure great now you "officially" did it, but it is a hell of a lot more interesting as time went along.
So somebody who thinks, "oh yes 50 times this" must actually be some kind of nut case. It is a really imaginative bit of brainwashing.
I find it funny that people are recommending how to incorporate or what tools to use, etc... When the first question should, "are you legally allowed to do this?"
Many contracts forbid you from doing this, so that you can completely focus on the company. And many companies don't want competition from you.
So first figure out if you are even allowed to do this...
You are going to push Open Office and Linux as a cheaper alternative. Fair enough can buy that, but when is it cheaper? Now? Nope, gotta train those people to convert. Gotta work overtime to convert all of those documents. When was this going to be cheaper? Oh yeah 3 years from now when the economy is not in a recession anymore.
This is actually the problem I see with FOSS on the desktop. While the software is free, the training, upgrade, and fix up is not. Hence even in a downturn it ain't gonna happen.
On the server side we can have a different argument, but then again Linux is already making inroads...
Now I actually see a stagnation of Open Source... Those that did, did, those that didn't wont...
I always say that a democracy and freedom of speech is the right to be an idiot! And I do mean it quite literally, I have the right to say something that can make me the biggest ARSE on the planet, and it would depress the heck out anyone around me.
So BE HAPPY that we have those rights. Because many countries you don't have the right to be an idiot! And that is when life gets really depressing...
The original CEO who transformed Nokia is long gone, but Nokia is still creating the products that they are.
The key with Nokia and the CEO is that he instilled a new way of thinking. Think HP, and how they used to think and do things. This is exactly what is going on with Apple.
Steve Jobs was Steve Jobs, and at times he failed. Think Next... And think some of the early products like Newton. But he stuck with his vision and instilled ideas. Now Apple has people who fulfilled that vision.
Do you REALLY think Steve Jobs was the only thinker? Let me tell you about a secret about Nokia. There are several brainchilds there. These guys are completely eclectic and all they care about are design. I once tried to get one of them to speak at a conference and his answer was, "not interested..." I offered a keynote to him and he said, "naa..."
There are those people at Apple, if only people went beyond the facade of Steve Jobs...
What I would have said to your son is the following:
"Son, I asked you to take it easy on me since I don't know this game. You didn't, and as such I don't think I will play again. However, what I what to point out is that I want you to remember this moment! I want you to remember this feeling, because it will happen to you as well with your son or daughter. And when it does, I want you to remember what your good ol'Dad said..."
I used to play this game with my father all the time and it drove him bonkers. How did I do this? I used to say, "Dad remember when you were young, did you not do this as well? Did you not remember the feelings, the hate, and the anger? Why don't we just cut through the chase..."
That drove him NUTS because he knew I was right, but I was not supposed to say that...
Psychological tricks work quite well because they can cut much deeper than getting angry or what have you. And you don't loose your cool
>It's about immersion. True, basketball isn't about immersion, but some games are.
I find it sad that people are playing BASKETBALL on a gaming console? Whatever happened to going outside and shooting some hoops? You get fresh air, some exercise, and you get the REAL immersion...
About 10 years ago I got into a discussion with an American on the topic of what you can say and cannot say. It happened to be around Ernst Zundel in Canada. I said it was quite alright for the state to censor speech, etc, etc.
My American friend said, "oh really..."
He then put up the argument and said, "With him muzzled will he stop thinking what he is thinking? Will it stop his cronies to stop thinking what he is? Will it even stop the hate?"
I argued many things and basically he smiled at me and said, "maybe one of these days you will understand what I mean."
Then that day hit. It was when Austria elected this right wing nut job. At the time all of the sudden EVERYBODY in the EU put up embargos on this guy. Was he an Ernst Zundel? No. Was he a nice guy and a centerist? Not even close.
What bothered me was that the EU would slam this Austrian guy (BTW he died recently), yet the communists in the former East Germany can keep saying the things that they do. After all the Communists NEVER did anything wrong...
So I realized my good American friend was right... There is no benefit to seeking limits of speech...
Company B said, "hey you know we could use you..."
Company A says, "oh no you can't work there because well we don't want you to kill our business completely..."
GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!! Yes I am screaming here, but this patriotic act is completely misguided. The issue here is that people are laid off and they would like to put food and bread on their table. And if they need to travel to Canada so be it! This is what competition and capitalism is all about.
Want to know what might result?
Instead of hiring out of work American workers they will hire out of work workers from some other place. And then what spot is America? With more unemployed bitter people who say the government gets in their way!
I looked at the netflix that you point out, but I would disagree with your assertion. Doing a quick check and calculation (I do quite a bit of analysis in the stock market) what you have is a something that could be called a 356 day moving average...
Look at the up and coming DVD's... They are mostly 2007's, which like a moving average means they are increasing in sales, but due to the massive lag it will take time before they reach #1.
Fair enough I agree regarding arguments for drugs and copyright. Though my argument was that while I might disagree with a particular law I am not going to break it. Whether it is moral or pragmatic in my opinion is beside the point.
Of course things can be fought through civil disobedience that are moral (gay marriage, equal rights for women, equal rights for colored people are topics that come to mind.)
If you say that drug use leads to crime you are making an argument that I wonder about. If you are saying that is the perspective of the drug warriors, fair enough. BUT if you are saying this as a generalization (since you are breaking the law and hence criminal), though if it leads to say robbery its a stretch.
No people will no question its usefulness because the copyright warriors make a moral argument as well, namely "so how do I get paid or am able to protect my work?"
They listen to people, but they also listen to people who can say their point without going on a rant.
BTW I am a techie as well, but I am in the market and have seen the difference in opinion. The problem with techie's is that they talk without actually making sense. They gab, and gab...
Let me give you an example. When oil was peaking at 150 I created a simple to understand powerpoint on how this was a scam and how it needed to be controlled. I sent it to a few senators and it has been downloaded quite a bit. In fact in some senate hearings I heard some of my lingo being said. My point is that I explained the situation in terms of stick people, and easy to digest concepts.
Another example at a recent conference people did not understand why we have this credit crisis. So I created a simple powerpoint with stick people that explains in terms of very simple math on what the problem was. People loved it because they could understand what in the heck was going on.
My point is that techies gab gab gab without making it simple to understand and digest. People want to learn and understand, but they need to be explained in simple terms. I find financial calculations a piece of cake and have no problem creating the derivatives that are causing problems. Yet most people consider this stuff mumbo jumbo and fake. (BTW its not!)
Though I need to explain to you how techies are not getting the point since you just said it.
>> No, I'm pretty sure what makes the world turn can be explained much more satisfactory using physics than economics, that business = all that matters is some sort of universal truth is actually a fairly recent trend..
You took my words literally and though, "oh world is rock turning around, etc..." You are making my point on how techies are snide and cynical. Instead of engaging me in a point you talk about how absolute things are. Well get over it, nothing is absolute. Science and Popper says, "hey this is probably right until it is proven wrong..."
For each and every thing it is a double edged sword. It can be used for good and for bad.
Where things go awry is when the bad overpowers the good.
Let me tell you something that happened recently to me at a conference. I speak and whenever I go on the road I take along my legally bought DVD's so that I can watch movies.
So some speakers were going through my collection and said, "hey I have not seen that, can I borrow it?" I replied, "and what are you going to do?" They answered, "rip it.."
I said, "sorry no you can't borrow my DVD. If you want to see then BUY the DVD or rent it." One speaker said, "Hey Iron Man is out, is there not store X around? See ya..."
They were not impressed and thought nothing wrong about downloading illegally. I on the other hand had quite a bit of a problem. Personally I believe more people should be like myself who say, "buy the music, buy the DVD."
And since I was in minority I see that we have a massive problem...
The real problem here is that people become disenfranchised because they don't involve. After all why should I care about you because all you do is complain, whine, etc.
When you say people don't have a political clue, I would argue what you are saying is that people don't have a clue because they don't agree with you.
Well guess what this is a democracy (representative in most) and if you don't make yourself heard then it is your FAULT, not the politicians, nor the "clueless" voters who do vote and make themselves heard.
1) Most politicians are lawyers, philosphers, judges, etc. Thus they will see these sorts of things from their perspective.
2) Techies have a serious communication problem. They believe in free without copyright, right to pirate, etc, etc. Take that attitude to lawyers and guess what answer you are going to get.
3) Techies don't get the business world. They don't think in terms of ROI, etc. And last I looked that is how the world turns, ROI, etc.
Techies need to start policing themselves. Yes BitTorrent has a real need, but until these protocols are managed to stop piracy nothing will change.
Here is the thing, I hate the drug laws, despise them actually. But I can't go out and start smoking pot because today it is STILL ILLEGAL.... The solution is to legalize pot, not smoke it and yell at the top of my lungs and say how dumb the laws are (they are...) How do I legalize pot? Work with the system and get it legalized.
If you are breaking the law how on earth should you be allowed to keep breaking the law? Sorry, but if you break the law then the ISP sure as heck has the right to blackball you.
Maybe you should not be breaking the law...
For example I personally consider the current drug laws of today to be completely idiotic... I for one think that we should legalize drugs. HOWEVER, I am not about to go out and start smoking pot because I know that is currently illegal.
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Logic skills taught to those people who have "social skills"
While I can understand the desire to teach social skills, I wish people would stop thumping on people with strong technical abilities.
For example, say you are a born classical musician, and are quite good. They would say you are cultured and have everything life needs. YET, if the same happened to a mathematician, well then they are not balanced.
Really? Not knowing how to calculate yourself out of a wet paper bag is balanced?
So sure I will take social skills, so long as the others take logic skills.
MAYBE THEN we have rational discussions....
Who here sees the irony?
German teaching social skills?
Anybody who lives in Europe knows about German "social skills"
1) Queues? Who needs them, I will just jump ahead.
2) Reserving lounge chairs with towels at 5 AM! Yeah that makes sense, I will reserve something when I am not even there...
3) Taking a vacation anywhere in Europe only to hear the noisy drunks, and people asking, "why can't they get real bread or real sausages, like we have in Germany." When I was living on the French Riveria, German friends brought their own food. I asked why? They said, "French can't make food like Germans can." Oh YEAH, the German cuisine is known for its good taste! Better than French (NOT!)
Germans are good at many things (building [insert product name here]), but social graces is not a German trait. But then again, maybe this course is typical German! Pushy, want to right the system and think on how they have social graces...
For those wondering, I AM GERMAN (born there, have the passport, though lived for the most part in Canada and the States)! Right now I live in Switzerland. And yes I have problems living with my own "country kin".
In 1995 my wife and I moved to Europe. These days when we visit Canada or North America we are totally amazed at the Christmas tree ontop of cop cars. It makes NO SENSE...
Considering that I am a Mercedes driver....
Mercedes does have quite a bit of SPAM themselves. We get the "Mercedes" magazine, and get regular invites to view the new Mercedes. It is SPAM... The thing is that Mercedes actually does this very tactfully, and very carefully. Personally I don't actually mind it. Actually with Mercedes you feel nice.
For example, (probably others offer the service as well), whenever I take my Mercedes in to get the tires changed (winter, summer, replacement) or to get a checkup they clean my car. And they spray it with nice perfume, etc. It is nice...
Would I buy a Mercedes again? Heck yes! Do I hate their SPAM? Heck no...
You know I always thought about this one.
If I go back and think about when I lost my virginity I have say it was not the most exciting of times. Sure great now you "officially" did it, but it is a hell of a lot more interesting as time went along.
So somebody who thinks, "oh yes 50 times this" must actually be some kind of nut case. It is a really imaginative bit of brainwashing.
I bet many are quite envious of this...
You know what amazes me. These people are actually buying these things. So where can I sign up to sell these things?
I mean after all if we use PRECIOUS stones all is ok. After all PRECIOUS stones ALWAYS emit postive energy...
ROTFL...
Again where can I sign up to sell this?
Did you read your own posting? And then compare it what the parent wrote?
Your entire sentence is conjecture, whereas the parent is talking about how the external world sees IT. And that is as a big expense.
So when IT comes around and says, "hey here is how I can save money." Well I can understand when they say, "sure..... you... can..."
The days of IT being something special are gone...
I find it funny that people are recommending how to incorporate or what tools to use, etc... When the first question should, "are you legally allowed to do this?"
Many contracts forbid you from doing this, so that you can completely focus on the company. And many companies don't want competition from you.
So first figure out if you are even allowed to do this...
Ok let me get this straight...
You are going to push Open Office and Linux as a cheaper alternative. Fair enough can buy that, but when is it cheaper? Now? Nope, gotta train those people to convert. Gotta work overtime to convert all of those documents. When was this going to be cheaper? Oh yeah 3 years from now when the economy is not in a recession anymore.
This is actually the problem I see with FOSS on the desktop. While the software is free, the training, upgrade, and fix up is not. Hence even in a downturn it ain't gonna happen.
On the server side we can have a different argument, but then again Linux is already making inroads...
Now I actually see a stagnation of Open Source... Those that did, did, those that didn't wont...
BINGO...
I always say that a democracy and freedom of speech is the right to be an idiot! And I do mean it quite literally, I have the right to say something that can make me the biggest ARSE on the planet, and it would depress the heck out anyone around me.
So BE HAPPY that we have those rights. Because many countries you don't have the right to be an idiot! And that is when life gets really depressing...
Are you sure about this?
Let's say that I have my phone in my pocket, will that not affect?
Yes I agree that plain vanilla yelling will probably have no effect whatsoever. BUT what about radio waves?
Not to say it will stop me from buying SSD, just wondering out loud.
My God techies don't get out much do they...
Ever heard of a company called NOKIA????
Do you know what Nokia made before they became the Juggernaut that they are today? Rubber Boots, TV's!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia
The original CEO who transformed Nokia is long gone, but Nokia is still creating the products that they are.
The key with Nokia and the CEO is that he instilled a new way of thinking. Think HP, and how they used to think and do things. This is exactly what is going on with Apple.
Steve Jobs was Steve Jobs, and at times he failed. Think Next... And think some of the early products like Newton. But he stuck with his vision and instilled ideas. Now Apple has people who fulfilled that vision.
Do you REALLY think Steve Jobs was the only thinker? Let me tell you about a secret about Nokia. There are several brainchilds there. These guys are completely eclectic and all they care about are design. I once tried to get one of them to speak at a conference and his answer was, "not interested..." I offered a keynote to him and he said, "naa..."
There are those people at Apple, if only people went beyond the facade of Steve Jobs...
For the life of me I could not figure out "l8r". I kept seeing I ate her, and thought who in the heck would keep saying that...
Then I saw the first letter was not an I, but an L and it says later...
Why do I have this problem... Its called dyslexia, and I have pretty bad... Even my wife often looks at me in pure puzzlement.
Personally I hate T9 since I can never get out a message for the life of me. I completely prefer the keyboard.
What I would have said to your son is the following:
"Son, I asked you to take it easy on me since I don't know this game. You didn't, and as such I don't think I will play again. However, what I what to point out is that I want you to remember this moment! I want you to remember this feeling, because it will happen to you as well with your son or daughter. And when it does, I want you to remember what your good ol'Dad said..."
I used to play this game with my father all the time and it drove him bonkers. How did I do this? I used to say, "Dad remember when you were young, did you not do this as well? Did you not remember the feelings, the hate, and the anger? Why don't we just cut through the chase..."
That drove him NUTS because he knew I was right, but I was not supposed to say that...
Psychological tricks work quite well because they can cut much deeper than getting angry or what have you. And you don't loose your cool
>It's about immersion. True, basketball isn't about immersion, but some games are.
I find it sad that people are playing BASKETBALL on a gaming console? Whatever happened to going outside and shooting some hoops? You get fresh air, some exercise, and you get the REAL immersion...
Huh?
Muhammad began preaching around 630 AD... Catch that end bit AD... That means about 600 years AFTER Christ was born.
So unless Muhammad was also a time traveler Islam is younger than Christianity.
I used to think like you actually.
About 10 years ago I got into a discussion with an American on the topic of what you can say and cannot say. It happened to be around Ernst Zundel in Canada. I said it was quite alright for the state to censor speech, etc, etc.
My American friend said, "oh really..."
He then put up the argument and said, "With him muzzled will he stop thinking what he is thinking? Will it stop his cronies to stop thinking what he is? Will it even stop the hate?"
I argued many things and basically he smiled at me and said, "maybe one of these days you will understand what I mean."
Then that day hit. It was when Austria elected this right wing nut job. At the time all of the sudden EVERYBODY in the EU put up embargos on this guy. Was he an Ernst Zundel? No. Was he a nice guy and a centerist? Not even close.
What bothered me was that the EU would slam this Austrian guy (BTW he died recently), yet the communists in the former East Germany can keep saying the things that they do. After all the Communists NEVER did anything wrong...
So I realized my good American friend was right... There is no benefit to seeking limits of speech...
WTF?
Company A laid off people...
People have no jobs....
Company B said, "hey you know we could use you..."
Company A says, "oh no you can't work there because well we don't want you to kill our business completely..."
GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!!!! Yes I am screaming here, but this patriotic act is completely misguided. The issue here is that people are laid off and they would like to put food and bread on their table. And if they need to travel to Canada so be it! This is what competition and capitalism is all about.
Want to know what might result?
Instead of hiring out of work American workers they will hire out of work workers from some other place. And then what spot is America? With more unemployed bitter people who say the government gets in their way!
I looked at the netflix that you point out, but I would disagree with your assertion. Doing a quick check and calculation (I do quite a bit of analysis in the stock market) what you have is a something that could be called a 356 day moving average...
Look at the up and coming DVD's... They are mostly 2007's, which like a moving average means they are increasing in sales, but due to the massive lag it will take time before they reach #1.
Fair enough I agree regarding arguments for drugs and copyright. Though my argument was that while I might disagree with a particular law I am not going to break it. Whether it is moral or pragmatic in my opinion is beside the point.
Of course things can be fought through civil disobedience that are moral (gay marriage, equal rights for women, equal rights for colored people are topics that come to mind.)
If you say that drug use leads to crime you are making an argument that I wonder about. If you are saying that is the perspective of the drug warriors, fair enough. BUT if you are saying this as a generalization (since you are breaking the law and hence criminal), though if it leads to say robbery its a stretch.
No people will no question its usefulness because the copyright warriors make a moral argument as well, namely "so how do I get paid or am able to protect my work?"
What kind of cynical crap was that?
They listen to people, but they also listen to people who can say their point without going on a rant.
BTW I am a techie as well, but I am in the market and have seen the difference in opinion. The problem with techie's is that they talk without actually making sense. They gab, and gab...
Let me give you an example. When oil was peaking at 150 I created a simple to understand powerpoint on how this was a scam and how it needed to be controlled. I sent it to a few senators and it has been downloaded quite a bit. In fact in some senate hearings I heard some of my lingo being said. My point is that I explained the situation in terms of stick people, and easy to digest concepts.
Another example at a recent conference people did not understand why we have this credit crisis. So I created a simple powerpoint with stick people that explains in terms of very simple math on what the problem was. People loved it because they could understand what in the heck was going on.
My point is that techies gab gab gab without making it simple to understand and digest. People want to learn and understand, but they need to be explained in simple terms. I find financial calculations a piece of cake and have no problem creating the derivatives that are causing problems. Yet most people consider this stuff mumbo jumbo and fake. (BTW its not!)
Though I need to explain to you how techies are not getting the point since you just said it.
>> No, I'm pretty sure what makes the world turn can be explained much more satisfactory using physics than economics, that business = all that matters is some sort of universal truth is actually a fairly recent trend..
You took my words literally and though, "oh world is rock turning around, etc..." You are making my point on how techies are snide and cynical. Instead of engaging me in a point you talk about how absolute things are. Well get over it, nothing is absolute. Science and Popper says, "hey this is probably right until it is proven wrong..."
For each and every thing it is a double edged sword. It can be used for good and for bad.
Where things go awry is when the bad overpowers the good.
Let me tell you something that happened recently to me at a conference. I speak and whenever I go on the road I take along my legally bought DVD's so that I can watch movies.
So some speakers were going through my collection and said, "hey I have not seen that, can I borrow it?" I replied, "and what are you going to do?" They answered, "rip it.."
I said, "sorry no you can't borrow my DVD. If you want to see then BUY the DVD or rent it." One speaker said, "Hey Iron Man is out, is there not store X around? See ya..."
They were not impressed and thought nothing wrong about downloading illegally. I on the other hand had quite a bit of a problem. Personally I believe more people should be like myself who say, "buy the music, buy the DVD."
And since I was in minority I see that we have a massive problem...
This is a crap attitude...
The real problem here is that people become disenfranchised because they don't involve. After all why should I care about you because all you do is complain, whine, etc.
When you say people don't have a political clue, I would argue what you are saying is that people don't have a clue because they don't agree with you.
Well guess what this is a democracy (representative in most) and if you don't make yourself heard then it is your FAULT, not the politicians, nor the "clueless" voters who do vote and make themselves heard.
What do you expect?
1) Most politicians are lawyers, philosphers, judges, etc. Thus they will see these sorts of things from their perspective.
2) Techies have a serious communication problem. They believe in free without copyright, right to pirate, etc, etc. Take that attitude to lawyers and guess what answer you are going to get.
3) Techies don't get the business world. They don't think in terms of ROI, etc. And last I looked that is how the world turns, ROI, etc.
Techies need to start policing themselves. Yes BitTorrent has a real need, but until these protocols are managed to stop piracy nothing will change.
Here is the thing, I hate the drug laws, despise them actually. But I can't go out and start smoking pot because today it is STILL ILLEGAL.... The solution is to legalize pot, not smoke it and yell at the top of my lungs and say how dumb the laws are (they are...) How do I legalize pot? Work with the system and get it legalized.
If you are breaking the law how on earth should you be allowed to keep breaking the law? Sorry, but if you break the law then the ISP sure as heck has the right to blackball you.
Maybe you should not be breaking the law...
For example I personally consider the current drug laws of today to be completely idiotic... I for one think that we should legalize drugs. HOWEVER, I am not about to go out and start smoking pot because I know that is currently illegal.