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How Do You Stay Upbeat Amidst the Idiocy?

Techdirt has a wonderful summary of how hard it is sometimes to stay upbeat when faced with some of the complete idiocy that intelligent, tech-savvy readers often have to deal with in their day-to-day lives. While the frustration will probably never go away, nor will the news calling attention to it, it does seem that opening people's eyes to problems helps things move in the right direction, so keep it up. "Yes, we're in the midst of a brutal financial mess — but that won't stop innovation. Yes, incumbent forces, with short-sighted plans and a desire to hold back the tides are annoying and disruptive (not in a good way) in the short run. But even they are finding they can't hold back progress. Robert Friedel has a wonderful book called A Culture of Improvement that details how we, as a society, are constantly looking to improve on what we already have. We add ideas and ingenuity to old concepts and build something better — not because of the desire to grab some "intellectual property," but because of the desire to improve our own lot, to build a better tool that we want to use. Incumbent short-sighted players have been able to hinder and harm progress, but they can't keep it down completely. That culture of improvement can't be stopped entirely."

442 comments

  1. That's easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Liquor.

    1. Re:That's easy... by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      You should try Brawndo. It's got what plants crave.

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    2. Re:That's easy... by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      Lead paint does the job more thoroughly.

    3. Re:That's easy... by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Funny

      But I don't even know her!

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    4. Re:That's easy... by prograde · · Score: 1

      C|N>K

    5. Re:That's easy... by KillerBob · · Score: 2, Funny

      .... Informative?

      My god. Matt Judge was right. Only it's 500 years earlier than he planned....

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    6. Re:That's easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks for making my day!

    7. Re:That's easy... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Mike Judge. Perhaps you are thinking of Matt Groening.

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    8. Re:That's easy... by canadian_right · · Score: 1

      No, Mike Judge. They are referring to the movie "Idiocracy".

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    9. Re:That's easy... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Where do you think those colorful hand-painted bottles of cheap liquor come from? ;)

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    10. Re:That's easy... by b4upoo · · Score: 1

      Theatre of the absurd is its own reward. The cast of players not only includes the 45 year old soccer mom who thinks her CD burner is a cup holder but it also includes the tech savvy, working at desks and ruining their health along with management that is so out of touch with current realities that they are dangerous, working in an economy that is so false that it actually hasn't really existed for years in a nation that in itself has become a bad joke.
       

    11. Re:That's easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are all idiots in some area. The true idiot is one that speaks without knowing their abilities. The true idiot is one that acts without understanding their situation. The true idiot does not dig deeper than the first layer of information handed to them.

    12. Re:That's easy... by oh_bugger · · Score: 1

      Or Matt Drudge

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    13. Re:That's easy... by webview · · Score: 1

      And electrolytes!

    14. Re:That's easy... by tomhath · · Score: 1

      You should try Brawndo. It's got what plants crave.

      Can't do that, because we've never used Brawndo before.

    15. Re:That's easy... by Kooty-Sentinel · · Score: 1

      Alcohol. The cause AND solution of all of mankind's problems :)

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    16. Re:That's easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you are a prime example of Mr. Judge's vision of the future, apparently!

      Try interpreting KillerBob's post in a different way. You know, the logical way.

      And "for the record", KillerBob, I believe he was thinking of Matt Stone ... what do you think??!?!1????!11!1!ONE

    17. Re:That's easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cannabis

    18. Re:That's easy... by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      It's also got Electrolytes...

    19. Re:That's easy... by Phu5ion · · Score: 1

      Right on! Now, if only they would let me drink at work.

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  2. Stay humble by jvalenzu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Instead of focusing on all the tech details that other folks get wrong, think of all the economic dogma and confused legal interpretations that otherwise intelligent people allow themselves to parrot.

    1. Re:Stay humble by ImOnlySleeping · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't see how thinking about one kind of stupid rather than another would make me feel any better. That's just twice as depressing.

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    2. Re:Stay humble by atraintocry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You didn't see his title then: stay humble. We all have some stupidity lurking with on. It's harder to drum up that nerd rage when we look at our own.

  3. How do you stay upbeat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same way you have for years.

  4. Focus on the positive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the long run, Everybody Dies.

    1. Re:Focus on the positive by snowgirl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the long run, Everybody Dies.

      Haha, true. This is a very fortunate thing. Reading the first paragraph of TFA, I realized that they were describing the same exact thing I felt reading Conservapedia. It's like, funny for 5 minutes, but then it starts getting you depressed, and you start wanting to kill someone, usually the idiot doing it... then you start wanting to kill yourself because you realize that they're all around you.

      The thing I keep telling myself is that these are concentrated stories of idiocy, and that the real world isn't composed of nearly the amount of them that I think there is by reading those stories. However, true. That they're going to die someday certainly helps. Here's to Schlafly's eventual death!

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    2. Re:Focus on the positive by Nathrael · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...and this is a prime example for why there should be a +1 sad, cruel truth mod.

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    3. Re:Focus on the positive by TheDreadSlashdotterD · · Score: 1

      I live in West Virginia, where the concentration of idiocy seems to be at its highest.

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    4. Re:Focus on the positive by papershark · · Score: 1

      Sometimes it is difficult when people ask questions that clearly show their unwillingness of figure something out for themselves. Usually it is the passive aggressive relationship people build up with their office "nerd". Most people know when they ask "how can I" they are really saying "I cannot be bothered to do it for myself".

      Can we all say that we are guiltless? Maybe at sometime you have asked a question like "how do you iron a shirt so it comes out good again?".

    5. Re:Focus on the positive by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      In the long run, Everybody Dies.

      Are you sure?

      With the advent of bionics, black market organs, and the capacity to grow replacement organs the wealthy, no matter how stupid, cloistered, and bigoted they are, will be able to live forever.

      Oh how great the world would have been if hitler could have lived to lead us into the future, right?

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    6. Re:Focus on the positive by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      In the long run, Everybody Dies.

      Haha, true. This is a very fortunate thing. Reading the first paragraph of TFA, I realized that they were describing the same exact thing I felt reading Conservapedia. It's like, funny for 5 minutes, but then it starts getting you depressed, and you start wanting to kill someone, usually the idiot doing it... then you start wanting to kill yourself because you realize that they're all around you.

      The thing I keep telling myself is that these are concentrated stories of idiocy, and that the real world isn't composed of nearly the amount of them that I think there is by reading those stories. However, true. That they're going to die someday certainly helps. Here's to Schlafly's eventual death!

      So this is why i have trouble getting up in the morning here in georgia.. (the idiocy concentration really IS that bad, in fact it's worse. There's less idiocy at a live american idol performance)

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  5. Yeh damn tech idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I was going to blog about this very subject today, but I couldn't get onto my Journalspace for some reason.

    1. Re:Yeh damn tech idiocy by lenester · · Score: 1

      You bastard, I just laughed very loudly at work.

      Good thing we're closed in one minute.

  6. Hmm by Highrollr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember in online games, if everyone else looks like they're lagged, it's really you that has the problem. Perhaps, when everyone else looks like an idiot... well, you know.

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I remember in online games, if everyone else looks like they're lagged, it's really you that has the problem. Perhaps, when everyone else looks like an idiot... well, you know.

      There's more wisdom in what you say than the original poster will understand.

      One of the best and most lasting ways of becoming happy is to surround oneself with people that makes you feel happy. If the people around you do not make you happy, it's not their fault. You're responsible for your own happiness. You choose them. Choose people that makes you feel happy.

    2. Re:Hmm by Fortran+IV · · Score: 5, Funny

      One of the best and most lasting ways of becoming happy is to surround oneself with people that makes you feel happy.

      And so you come to Slashdot?

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    3. Re:Hmm by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And so you come to Slashdot?

      That's what I love about Slashdot--everyone here is smarter than me!

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    4. Re:Hmm by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People have a tendency to classify people into group vs. realizing each person is human and has their personality and strengths and weaknesses. If you decide to group a person as an idiot you tend to make the mistake of classifying a person and categorize all his ideas even once within his strengths as useless.
      Different situations strike people on different level. Usually the "Idiot"s happens when you strike them at an emotional level. As with most people there are some things that people feel strongly about when you start to contradict the things the feel strongly about their reaction is to defend it, no rational will get them to change their mind. Also as the parent stated sometimes a bunch of people seem like an idiot just because you are the one who is wrong. The human mind naturally fills gaps (predicts the near future, Fills in patterns, etc...) for the most part it works well but sometimes we fill it in with the wrong information which may lead to the same conclusion, but going a wrong path.
      As we get more complex in our lives and as a culture the more gaps we need to fill thus the more mistakes we make. The business man may be an idiot when trying to manage a programmer, as he may be missing vital knowledge about the work, he over simplifies what needs to be done. But the same happens with a skilled programmer tries to make business decisions, he over simplifies the complexity of business and the fact that things are more expensive then it seems. So the businessman is seen as an idiot to the programmer, and the programmer is seemed as an idiot to the businessman. Because both sides use different measurements and wights to measure their abilities.

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    5. Re:Hmm by Hoi+Polloi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I remember reading about a survey where they asked people how good a driver they thought they were. The majority of people considered themselves above average drivers. Now by definition the majority of people can't be above average so it seems the average person has an inflated opinion of their capabilities.

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    6. Re:Hmm by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      That's what I love about Slashdot--everyone here is smarter than me!

      Too easy.

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    7. Re:Hmm by bdh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You've paraphrased something I've being saying for decades. Back in my university days, I was a TA. I quickly learned that if 1 or 2 of my students (in a class of 15) didn't get it, it was them. If 12 or 13 didn't get it, then it was me. It meant I hadn't explained it properly, or I'd made a false assumption about what they knew.

      The other important thing is that even when it was one student who didn't get it, it didn't mean that the student was an idiot. It often meant he or she simply marched to a different drummer. I had one student pass by the skin of her teeth, and even that was only after considerable tutoring. But that same student went on to get a PhD in a totally different discipline. There's a difference between being a fool and being a fish out of water.

      Unfortunately, far too many people take an attitude of "if you don't know what I know, you're an idiot". I know quite a number of people who are constantly stressed out, because they expect anyone and everyone to be fully up to speed on everything that they are interested in. Engineers seem to be particularly susceptible to this, because unlike writers, musicians, or artists, we deal with deterministic systems. We design, build, and fix things so that they are reliably predictable. But people aren't reliably predictable, and expecting them to be is going to stress you out.

      I've seen people get bitterly angry because someone didn't know the difference between an AMD processor and an Intel one. I know one person who, when a co-worker on a project casually asked why Linux would be a better choice than Windows, got so angry his hands were physically trembling with rage, and he had to walk out of the room, because "otherwise I'd have to punch that stupid bastard in the face for such a retarded question". I know one person who has exploded in a rage in a restaurant, because the waitress brought his sandwich on the wrong type of bread.

      Not surprisingly, two of the people I know like this have already had heart attacks.

      The problem with stress like this isn't that there are foolish or annoying questions about. Of course there are. Always have been, always will be. The problem is how seriously you take it. If you treat foolish questions as personal insults, if you expect everyone to have your level of expertise in your field, then you're going to be stressed out. Let's face it; if you get angry about bread, the problem isn't with the bread.

      If a discussion of bracing styles forces you to leave the room because you're going to hit someone, you're either wound too tight, or you're in the wrong profession. Possibly both.

      Sit back, take a break, and wonder why it is that you're always so angry about everything, when everyone else seems to take it in stride. And if you come to the conclusion that "that's because everyone is stupid and I'm not", resign yourself to be miserable and angry for the rest of your life, cause life isn't going to change any time soon.

    8. Re:Hmm by Klootzak · · Score: 1

      I remember in online games, if everyone else looks like they're lagged, it's really you that has the problem. Perhaps, when everyone else looks like an idiot... well, you know.

      Well, damn, that's just the most BRILLIANT analogy, by someone who's understanding of the world is (seemingly) based off an MMO, amazing!!! /sarcasm>

      Just a quick question for you - based on the logic that you've just used, should I believe that the Earth is flat?

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    9. Re:Hmm by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      The gaping hole in your argument, of course, is that programmers know that they know dick about business. The businessmen don't know that they know dick about business, and so ...

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    10. Re:Hmm by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, far too many people take an attitude of "if you don't know what I know, you're an idiot". I know quite a number of people who are constantly stressed out, because they expect anyone and everyone to be fully up to speed on everything that they are interested in.

      That bothers me, but not that much. People in IT have jobs (mostly, and often solely) because they know something everyone else does not.

      What irritates me is when I, a 26-year-old IT type, interacts with a supposed professional of another trade, and start to speak to them about their craft. When I am able to more accurately describe to them their problem, or an aspect of their trade, or try to strike up a discussion with them on the finer points of this or that, and they haven't a clue what I'm talking about, I have a problem (eg. metallurgist not knowing anything about steel types). Or an English teacher who doesn't know simple grammar rules. Or a mechanic who doesn't know the simplest things about the vehicles he specializes in. Or the nurse who insists vitamins are bad for you. Or the doctor who says smoking isn't seriously impacting your health. And so on and so forth...

      I've only run into this several times (largely because I try to keep a low profile now), but if someone such as myself can find issue with things irritating, I can't be the only one - and it can't be an irrational irritation. The people you know/knew were statistical outliers, I think. The norm is people who don't know much of anything, even when they should.

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    11. Re:Hmm by retchdog · · Score: 1

      A case can be made for smoking... I'll just assume that he didn't bother making it.

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    12. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure if everyone else looks lagging it was a gameserver latency issue. To continue your analogy;
      It results in everyone randomly blasting around, only yourself seem to be able to aim and hit.
      Only to find out half a sec later you missed as hard as the rest due to bad synchronization with the rest of the world..

    13. Re:Hmm by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      While I can't say much for the metallurgist (other than maybe he worked only in electrical applications so wouldn't have dealt with steel) or the english teacher, the nurse is not entirely incorrect--there is little to no evidence that vitamins above recommended allowances are beneficial, and there is lots of evidence that several of them can be toxic in large doses (Vitamin A and Iron poisioning being the reason children's vitamins are formulated differently. And for the doctor, it depends on the degree of smoking. Smoking two packs a day causes serious damage. Smoking rarely and occasionally (i.e. not a daily habit) is significantly less likely to overwhelm your body's own repair functions.

    14. Re:Hmm by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I'm an mechanical engineer with a heavy dose of EE and CS. I always liked being able to 'translate' between all of the different concentrations.

      When I first started dating my Med student GF she thought I was patronizing her by 'translating' my work into Med terms, but after a while she said it was kind of nice.

      However the most frustrating thing in the world is when two different people are arguing over the 'same thing' when they're both talking about two completely different aspects of the same thing.

    15. Re:Hmm by AmberBlackCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      What should we think if everyone else is using Mac or Windows?

    16. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. It's stupid to get angry at stupidity. Anger accomplishes nothing, and you let the stupid ones win when your anger starts to damage your own health.

    17. Re:Hmm by Rakarra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The majority of people could be above-average drivers is the bad drivers are -so- bad that they throw off the average.

    18. Re:Hmm by Krishnoid · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, far too many people take an attitude of "if you don't know what I know, you're an idiot".

      They need to watch this show -- if they can't (a) identify with Sheldon and (b) laugh at his approach towards life -- at least a little in both cases -- their own ability to observe and eventually change that part of their personality is probably deeply suppressed.

      Admittedly, this is a shallow plug for this show, which I enjoy greatly for those reasons.

    19. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sit back, take a break, and wonder why it is that you're always so angry about everything, when everyone else seems to take it in stride. And if you come to the conclusion that "that's because everyone is stupid and I'm not", resign yourself to be miserable and angry for the rest of your life, cause life isn't going to change any time soon.

      It is, indeed, all, mostly, a matter of stress (and the associated frustration and oppression -all based on fears, of change, of the void, of loneliness). But give it three or four years, if you cannot do it yourself, and you will then see how life can be changed. It will be made very clear (and of course, all the while, very flexible, very open, very balanced, very individualistic, very diverse).

      If people need to sit back, take a break (when they can, and it will always be limited, in today society), and wonder why they are always so angry about everything, they should not stop at the why. The stress will surely not vanish, because we know the why. It might even make it even more frustrating. If it does not, you might just be ignoring it quite superficially, which might make you quite vulnerable, in case you go through some closer and more important problem, because really, you did not solve anything, and you only understood the first part, and probably only partially.

      Once you really know the why, the solution becomes quite evident. And nothing really stands in its way. You know it, although it might also be hard to accept (and most people then give up, which is, indeed, quite a problematic circle of problems). The way is clear, we just have to walk it, and it is not that hard, once you know the why, and the how.

      ~Disconnecting off from the moon.

    20. Re:Hmm by tsa · · Score: 1

      Linux users are pathetic useless nerds. The only way to use Linux productively is to have no social contacts because it's compatible with nothing. Everybody knows that.

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    21. Re:Hmm by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Shhhh. Haven't you heard the newest scientific findings? Even a single particle of tobacco smoke is lethal. We must take away your simple pleasure to "Save the Children!"

      Mart

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    22. Re:Hmm by cabazorro · · Score: 1

      I feel better now. Thank you for the pep talk.

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    23. Re:Hmm by no1home · · Score: 1

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      2030 (aka 8:30pm) in which time zone?

      I know, feel free to mod me off topic.

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    24. Re:Hmm by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      Yeah but that's not true- the majority of drivers are idiots.

    25. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As others have said, you desperately need to review what "average" means.

      As an example, consider that the vast majority of people have an above-average number of legs.

    26. Re:Hmm by syousef · · Score: 1

      One of the best and most lasting ways of becoming happy is to surround oneself with people that makes you feel happy. If the people around you do not make you happy, it's not their fault. You're responsible for your own happiness. You choose them. Choose people that makes you feel happy.

      You're right. That's why all my friends are imaginary. Real people just don't meet my standards or make me happy. /sarcasm

      Seriously. Stop reading self-help books. They only help the authors get rich.

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    27. Re:Hmm by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Average doesn't specifically mean (ouch - sorry) anything.

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    28. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most people have 2 legs. There is your average. Not that hard, eh?

    29. Re:Hmm by CraterGlass · · Score: 1

      This is a fine statement of the Democratic Fallacy. No, Highrollr, the majority is not always right.

    30. Re:Hmm by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      No many programmers in general think they know a whole bunch about business because they spend so much time writing code to follow the business process of every major department. They in general try not to be involved in its details outside of the code, but they think they could do it better, they just don't want to. Just read the comments on slashdot every time there is business argument there are so many people giving the simple "Party Line" answer to a very complex situation. Oh they are ripping us off because they are marking it up 20% over the material costs.

      If they felt that they didn't know about business they wouldn't think the other guy is an idiot.

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    31. Re:Hmm by Hellkitten · · Score: 1

      Most people have 2 legs. There is your average. Not that hard, eh?

      So how many people do you know of with three legs?

      (No, that's not a leg and even if it was it wouldn't count as a whole one)

      I know of people with one or no legs, so the average will have to be less than two. And that means most people have an above average number of legs

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    32. Re:Hmm by Hellkitten · · Score: 1

      The only way to use Linux productively is to have no social contacts

      So in other words it's perfect for slashdot users since the negiatives already apply to us all?

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    33. Re:Hmm by RubberJohnny · · Score: 1

      People have a tendency to classify people into group vs. realizing each person is human and has their personality and strengths and weaknesses.

      Only classifiers do that.

  7. Idiots are everywhere by sincewhen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Here's a clue... You encounter idiots everywhere in life. Sometimes they are just caught off guard, sometimes they are having a bad day, sometimes they are outside their domain of expertise, and sometimes they are simply a waste of space.

    You have to find the patience within yourself to get on with your life, accepting that there are some things you can't change.

    But getting angry or depressed about it certainly won't help.

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    1. Re:Idiots are everywhere by GiovanniZero · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think the hardest thing about being "The Computer Guy" is that people stop taking the time to think through problems themselves and just ask you. That ends up making their questions stupid because they no longer need to think about problems.

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    2. Re:Idiots are everywhere by popmaker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or maybe they're out of their expertise. Really, should everyone be thinking computer-related problems through when they can ask the experts? There are a lot of problems related, for example, to finance, that I'd rather have my bank doing. I don't see them frowning on me for not knowing something I asked them.

      We each have a finite amount of time for solving problems, and a finite number of abilities, each of which is at least somewhat specialised.

      No one can be good at everything. And calling somebody an idiot for not being good at what YOU do is simply not fair.

    3. Re:Idiots are everywhere by TerribleNews · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is what the Socratic Method is for. Instead of just giving them the answer, you ask them a lot of questions that they can answer until they've reached the desired solution. If people aren't willing to try to learn what it is you're helping them with, then they won't bother coming to you.

      The added bonus to this method is that people can't tell when you're spinning a line of bull because you don't know the answer yourself... ;*)

    4. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a fuzzy line here somewhere.

      People should think through their own problems, even outside their expertise. Because not thinking it through wastes my time, your time and the company's time. I don't get paid to answer stupid questions. I get paid to make the computers do their jobs. There is a guy that gets paid to make the peons do theirs.

      Now, if when you are done thinking about it, and giving it even the most basic level of analysis, I'll be happy to address any issue that comes to light. I'll do it with a smile and a pat on the back.

      Don't come to me with "I can't print". Come to me with "when I print, I get an error message that says 'xyz 123', when I opened the print thingy (que) there are like 200 jobs in there, I tried rebooting and a different printer but no go, can you help?"

      On the other hand, don't spend 2 days trying to figure out the problem if it's clearly out of your depth. Gather what details you can, and come find someone that can deal with it.

      The fuzzy line is finding the difference between wasting my time, and wasting yours.

      Technology may not be your thing, and that is fine. But problem solving better be on your list of skills, or you are going to be a huge liability for me, yourself and who ever we work for. Not just with technology, but with anything.

      I may be abnormal, but I have degrees in business, computers and I'm finishing up my accounting degree. I say that, to say this... the same set of problem solving skills are used in all these fields. The only difference is the background knowledge needed to make it work.

    5. Re:Idiots are everywhere by VorlonFog · · Score: 2, Funny

      I develop software for a living, but I was a bio-chemistry major with a love of hardware and software. Now instead of fighting bacteria and viruses with genetic engineering research, I'm fighting idiots and morons who seem to think an Oracle database on HP-UX with almost five million accounts is simply an Excel spreadsheet. Please just shoot me now.

    6. Re:Idiots are everywhere by jcuervo · · Score: 1

      I may be abnormal, but I have degrees

      ?

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    7. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Neko-kun · · Score: 1

      You forgot to read the rest of the sentence.

    8. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a lot of problems related, for example, to finance, that I'd rather have my bank doing.

      Right. They're doing such a good job of it.

    9. Re:Idiots are everywhere by awrz · · Score: 1

      I think the hardest thing about being "The Computer Guy" is that people stop taking the time to think through problems themselves and just ask you.

      I couldn't agree more! However. They're still idiots. The reason I know what I know today is because I WANTED to learn more about the items I interacted with. If you don't have the drive to discover for yourself chances are you won't even try if someone else knows the answer. All the fun of solving a problem is getting there.

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    10. Re:Idiots are everywhere by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. As anyone who has worked a support job before knows, users can be worse than children when it comes to doing something. They'll call you up with the exact same problem, over and over again, and despite you telling them not to do X, which causes the problem, they do X - again, and again, and again. And then, when you get even a little frustrated about it, they tell your boss you're the one being a problem.

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    11. Re:Idiots are everywhere by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      Not being a computer expert and thinking through complex problems is one thing; punching the plunger and not expecting an explosion (as is often the case) is another.

      Most people just don't try, when it comes to computers.

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    12. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tech Sergeant Chen is that you?

    13. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while I can sometimes agree with that remark, it can also be a matter of asking the wrong question back to the person with the computer problem. Additionally I fully believe in doing as much as I can to find a way that if it happens a second time they will remember and not need to call on me again. That can save quite a bit of valuable time for both them and me, win-win!

    14. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Seriously. I have seen people use the "I'm not a computer expert" to explain why they selected a date two weeks in the future for activities they have already done. You don't need to be a computer expert to understand how a calendar works. I had people ask for help because they couldn't figure out that you had to turn a computer on to get it to work. This isn't a problem of them not being computer experts. I've seen people not able to fill out a simple form that literally looks exactly like a piece of paper. This isn't because computers are hard.

      I used to use a simple rule of thumb to decide if someone is an idiot, or if it was that the computer was hard. If my two year old son could figure it out, a full grown adult should be able to figure it out with little to no effort. Now that my son is 4, I no longer think it is fair to expect most adults to be at his level of intelligence, but that's just because I am a pessimist about most of humanity.

    15. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are absolutely right. When they are fucking paying me! Otherwise STFU, RTFM, or at least Google it for Christ's sake.

    16. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shifting your problems to someone else simply because they can easily resolve them is not a good thing. True, the resident 'computer guy' could fix it in two seconds, but next time it happens he may very well not be around. Then your learned helplessness comes to bite you in the ass as you have no way to even APPROACH the problem without someone to do it for you.

    17. Re:Idiots are everywhere by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Or maybe they're out of their expertise.

      When they don't even try powering down or rebooting anything before calling you, and that's all it takes to solve their problem?

      Yeah, that's just not trying then.

    18. Re:Idiots are everywhere by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      I totally disagree. I'm technical (a tech writer at a software company), but when my Windows box starts acting up, I don't expect to have to do anything other than call the IT guys. It's their job to fix it, not mine. Plus, they've locked me out doing anything to my system, so now it's REALLY their job to fix my computer.

    19. Re:Idiots are everywhere by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      Shifting your problems to someone else simply because they can easily resolve them is not a good thing.

      Yeah, but when a someone else is GETTING PAID to fix my problems AND they can more easily resolve them than I can, it is not only a good thing, but a necessary thing. I make twice as much per hour than our IT guys. Why should our customers pay my labor rate for something that will take me twice as long to fix as somebody who makes half as much as me?

    20. Re:Idiots are everywhere by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      When they lock your box down so hard that you don't even have permission to reboot, I fail to see how that's "not trying".

    21. Re:Idiots are everywhere by sydneyfong · · Score: 1

      I don't see them frowning on me for not knowing something I asked them.

      Of course. They make money because of their alleged expertise in gambling with your money.

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    22. Re:Idiots are everywhere by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

      I couldn't agree more! However. They're still idiots. The reason I know what I know today is because I WANTED to learn more about the items I interacted with. If you don't have the drive to discover for yourself chances are you won't even try if someone else knows the answer. All the fun of solving a problem is getting there.

      Exactly! That's the problem I run into with people. I'm in IT, so I don't exactly know how to build a car from scratch... but when my car is acting funny, I do a little investigation and a little research. I end up taking it to a pro, but I find out just what was going on with my car. Over the years I've learned tons about my new car that I just wouldn't have known otherwise- and it's great info to have in the future too!

      The problem is, people don't understand basic troubleshooting- in any situation, not just computers!

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    23. Re:Idiots are everywhere by iamhigh · · Score: 1

      Totally missed a chance for the trifecta! "at least Google it" == JFGI

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    24. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Koiu+Lpoi · · Score: 1

      The Socratic method also generally doesn't work and makes you look like a douchebag, because you probably could have just told them the answer.

    25. Re:Idiots are everywhere by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't come to me with "I can't print". Come to me with "when I print, I get an error message that says 'xyz 123', when I opened the print thingy (que) there are like 200 jobs in there, I tried rebooting and a different printer but no go, can you help?"

      Why? All they want to do is a print a document. When they can't print it, they call the folks who can fix that (presumably you). Their job isn't to troubleshoot the problem - it's to write that document and print it. By definition, they can't be wasting your time to bring the problem to you, because that's your job. If they can take some steps to make it easier for you, you should be thanking them - but not holding it against them if they don't.

      Technology may not be your thing, and that is fine. But problem solving better be on your list of skills, or you are going to be a huge liability for me, yourself and who ever we work for. Not just with technology, but with anything.

      . Solving problems within their domain of expertise is what they do for a living. Solving problems within your domain of expertise is what you do for a living. Where's the fuzzy line?

      I may be abnormal, but I have degrees in business, computers and I'm finishing up my accounting degree. I say that, to say this... the same set of problem solving skills are used in all these fields. The only difference is the background knowledge needed to make it work.

      That's rather key isn't it? If they don't have the background knowledge of computers, they lack the ability to do even simple troubleshooting - no matter that the basics of troubleshooting are the same the world over. "Printer queue? What's that? Wait, I can use other printers? How do I do that?"

    26. Re:Idiots are everywhere by gnud · · Score: 1

      Asking a bank employee what they think you should do as their customer, is different from getting "my computer is slow, can you fix it?" from your aunts neighbour =)

    27. Re:Idiots are everywhere by smoker2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Intelligence is defined by the questions you ask, not what you already know. If you can't be bothered to even wonder privately how something works, then just asking someone else for the answers shows a lack of intelligence. People who at least try to build a model of their environment in their brains, deserve a lot more respect than those who blindly do what they're told or shut down until the environment is back in their comfort zone. Stupidity is doing the same thing again and again, and expecting a different result.

      There is an advert on the tv at the moment, where they're selling no win, no fee personal injury claim lawyer services. The illustration they use is a guy who was asked to fix a light fitting but "they gave me the wrong kind of ladder". He ended up on his ass and had to spend months off work. Well I don't know about you, but I cannot equate myself in any way to an idiot who can't use a ladder properly. I mean, if it's your neck on the block, it's up to you to look after yourself. Either find a better ladder, or secure the one you have so it can't fall over. It's not rocket science.

      Another example. I used to work in a metal shop making tubular furniture. One machine was used to reduce the diameter of a tube so that it would fit inside a similar diameter tube. To hold the tube while this was done, there were two hydraulic clamps that held the tube tightly. Oil used to build up on these clamps which necessitated cleaning them occasionally. One bright spark, decided to clean the clamps without turning the machine off, and then managed to use the foot switch while his fingers were in the way. Voila, 3 fingers crushed (and later amputated). DICK HEAD !
      The really sad part about this is that he more than likely works in IT these days. What is he going to break next ?

      What I have a hard time accepting is that I am in any way superior intelligence wise than anybody else. Consequently, when something as basic as survival is at stake, surely everybody has the ability to consider their situation. That they obviously don't is what really saddens me. How can you trust anybody who doesn't even have the brain to look after themselves. The scary part is, we are all forced to trust these people, every day. Walking down the street you are mere feet away from the deadly force that is the motor car. A large proportion of the drivers controlling this deadly force are complete and utter mouth breathers. So what if they have ABS and airbags ? That's not going to help me as a pedestrian when they mount the pavement because their damn phone rang or they got a text message. Solution - always face into the direction of the traffic so at least you'll have a chance to save yourself. Automation is NOT the answer. That would be akin to never toilet training a child. Unless they learn to do it themselves, they will always rely on someone(or something) else to do it for them. And then the familiar refrain of "it's not MY fault" is heard yet again. You can train a cat to shit in a box for christs sake, and they are one of the least trainable animals available.

      Without meaning to go all religious on your asses, the question "Am I my brothers keeper ?" springs to mind. Apparently, yes. Without someone who has a clue watching over all these lesser intelligences the world would be even more fucked up that it already is. But of course, they have a right to be an idiot, and they resent anyone who tries to keep them alive and in one piece.
      Then again, the Darwin Awards would be a lot duller without them.

      I have come to the conclusion that the only real reason that there are idiots left in the world is because someone else likes it that way. It is to their nefarious benefit to have a large population of stupid robots who can't press a button without being trained to do so first. We control the horizontal, we control the vertical, what we say is the way it's going to be. I'm homing in on the difference between Windows and an open source OS. Windows only gives you so many options, any open source

    28. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I'm also a tech writer for a software company, and -- despite not being anything like a Linux g00r00 -- maintain my own Linux machines with zero help from our internal IT mob (and rarely if ever from anybody else who's not a man page or a newsgroup/forum post). And, yes, I do get my work done, too.

      Now, what was your point again?

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    29. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      The Socratic method also generally doesn't work and makes you look like a douchebag...

      In my experience, this is true only if you really are a douchebag.

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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    30. Re:Idiots are everywhere by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      The problem is that while no one can be good at everything, many of us have an expectation that they will at least TRY to be minimally competent at most things.

      I don't expect everyone around me to be skilled doctors, but I do expect them to have a basic understanding of first aid, and be able to recognize, assist, and call for help in an emergency.

      Likewise, I don't expect people around me to be able to kernel-hack and run stack tracers, but I do expect them to be able to recognize an issue, and do some basic trouble-shooting.

      My sister, normally fairly intelligent, failed to do just this the other night. Somehow, between switching login sessions, her browser reversed the text order in input fields. Typing a login, the letters appeared from right to left. "AAAAAHHH! FIX IT!", she ordered me. "Does it still do that after you restart the browser?", I asked. "I haven't restarted it," was the reply.

      Before turning to the computer guy, most of us expect that users will do some very basic troubleshooting. Restart, and see if the problem persists. Think back, and see if you recently made any system changes, or installed any new programs. Read error messages. Just because I know about computers doesn't mean I am at your disposal to diagnose and fix all problems. Sure, I can help with the tough ones. But many problems can be solved with a minimal amount of knowledge, and a few basic skills.

      I don't need to waste my time, when you haven't spent an iota of yours trying to fix YOUR problem. If you haven't spent 10 minutes diagnosing it and trying to fix it, then you're not doing your part to screen stupid problems from me. You're just being needy and lazy.

      And there's a big difference between being needy and lazy and being out of your area of expertise.

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    31. Re:Idiots are everywhere by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you're aware of the bigger picture: most people don't even have basic knowledge of computers, so they ask dumb questions.

    32. Re:Idiots are everywhere by stewbacca · · Score: 1

      My point is that, a) they lock our computers down so hard, I'm not allowed maintain my own machine, even if I could, and b) why have an IT department (and pay them) if I'm just expected to do everything myself?

      Like I said, I make about twice as much as our IT guys. If I have to spend 30 minutes configuring a machine (above and beyond normal requirements for developing a Flash storyboard, for example), that is unethical to charge the client 2x the rate.

    33. Re:Idiots are everywhere by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      > Instead of just giving them the answer, you ask them a lot of questions
      > that they can answer until they've reached the desired solution.

      Wife, is that you? I had no idea you read /.

    34. Re:Idiots are everywhere by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      we're not talking about writing their own applications or even touching a terminal here.

      We're talking about basic diagnostic thought processes everyone should have when they find something going wrong with their computer.

      "what changed between then and now, it's most likely me so what did I do, and how do i undo it"

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    35. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      My work's not generally pegged to specific client requirements, but rather to documenting software as it's developed and released. I also work in a highly (geographically) distributed environment.

      Our IT guys keep the servers running so those of us in Engineering (including Documentation) can collaborate, and we maintain our own workstations as suits us best to get our own jobs done.

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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    36. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Hellkitten · · Score: 1

      Then just quote the standard price for providing help:

      1. One mug of coffe constantly filled while I work on the problem
      2. Dinner. Homemade if I believe the client is capable of it.
      3. A date, with the client or the clients hot friend/sister/daughter/neighbour, I choose.

      Anyone accepting less is undercutting prices and will hear from the UoCP (union of computer persons) shortly.

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    37. Re:Idiots are everywhere by Weird_one · · Score: 1

      Just some simple math.... (numbers completely fictitious) your hourly rate $100.00 IT guy rate $50.00

      you spending 5 min doing basic troubleshooting $8.34

      30 min it takes IT guy to fix it with info from troubleshooting $25.00

      -------

      total $33.34

      1hr it takes IT guy to fix it
      (due to lack of an adequate prob. desc.) $50.00

      first method cost to customer $33.34
      your method cost to customer $50.00
      ------
      you saved the customer -$16.67

      Wonderful way to add value to your customers.

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  8. I might be one of them. by Samschnooks · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But getting angry or depressed about it certainly won't help.

    I prefer pathological apathy - I'm working towards just not giving a shit anymore. There's nothing I can do about much of anything: I'm just an average and sometimes below average peon with no power. I might even be one of those idiots, so I guess it's a good thing that I can't do much.

    1. Re:I might be one of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes - the "Wally" approach. I think I'm there too. The problems only begin once you start caring.

      When it's really bad I retreat at nights into GTA where my darkest authority fantasies can be safely entertained.

    2. Re:I might be one of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer pathological apathy - I'm working towards just not giving a shit anymore.

      I tried pathological apathy too, but found it was too much work and just stopped giving a shit about it.

    3. Re:I might be one of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hallelujah ! Hit the nail on the head. Everyone repeat after me: "I might be an idiot". A little more humility and a lot less arrogance, and this world would be such a better place. My dictum in IT after 30 years experience: "If you think you know the complete correct solution, then you don't really understand what the problem is". A little recognition of your own limits allows you to accept the limitations of others, and maybe even move beyond your own limitations if you work at them. Forbearance. Look it up.

  9. How to be happy... by skelly33 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Well I'll post this even though Slashdot is rife with hyper-critical, negative and cynical readers who would enjoy shredding something they are not open to because it can be helpful to someone who reads it with an open mind: How to be Happy, a free e-book (PDF).

    Aside from absorbing that and a handful of other books on managing stress, anxiety and grounding oneself, the other two tricks I've adopted are:

    * Stop reading/watching the "news"; as much as I share the concerns of most with respect to world affairs, I have found that following it too closely only makes me depressed about things I have no control over nor influence on.

    * Stop watching T.V.; I actually canceled my cable and gave away my TV and game system to a local family for xmas. Not only did I have the satisfaction of giving, but I have more free time now to pursue things that actually do make me happy.

    You may not be able to control your work environment, however you can control the other aspects of your life and how you choose to spend your time. Perhaps one day you will find that your life is so fulfilling outside of work that your tolerance and acceptance of imperfect circumstances at work improves to the point where it just doesn't matter to you any more.

    1. Re:How to be happy... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah I hear a lot of people do that when they move into the retirement home. Helps pay for the funeral down the track.

    2. Re:How to be happy... by Samschnooks · · Score: 1
      When I saw it was written by Michael Anthony, I thought it was the ex-bassist for Van Halen. I thought, "Of course he's happy! He's a rock star, he drinks Jack Daniel's, hangs with Sammy Hagar, he's a rock star with hot and cold running chicks, he's a millionaire, did I think 'hot and cold running chicks'?, and I'm an average no nothing that can only control myself - mostly - with no money and wondering how the hell I'm going to make it."

      I have to go, I'm looking at flights to National Parks on AirTran. I'll wear a fake beard and tell everyone that they're 'Da Bomb!'

    3. Re:How to be happy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, become a Scientologist. I hear they can't help being happy all the time from the sheer absence of a reactive mind. They are immune to all things negative. Gotta watch out for those evil killer bathtubs though.

      Too soon?

    4. Re:How to be happy... by CaptCovert · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're on to the right idea here (if a bit over-the-top on implementation), in that we do need to shut down some of the 'news' we have to deal with. Find the things that interest you, and learn about them; don't let others tell you what is and is not important for you to know (I know that technically I'm doing the same thing. Semantics are awesome.).

      Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that you get rid of your TV, it's just a tool, after all, and what you do with it is up to you. Of course, if that is what it takes for you to finally shut out all of the unnecessary garbage... do so with my blessing :)

    5. Re:How to be happy... by CrackedButter · · Score: 1

      I don't know why you were modded troll but you're right about the TV and thanks for the link.

    6. Re:How to be happy... by yerktoader · · Score: 1

      * Stop reading/watching the "news"; as much as I share the concerns of most with respect to world affairs, I have found that following it too closely only makes me depressed about things I have no control over nor influence on.

      Yeah, but people HAVE to obsess over celebrities and "crises". OJ, Britney, 9/11...Mental masturbation is at it's highest in history, just look at the magazine fare offered in the checkout isles on your next trip for groceries. Negative, yeah. I'm tired of this vacuous culture of The Violence Channel and The 'Baitin Network. Of people who want to bury their heads. I'm an idealist and even though my feelings hearken to my adolescence, wrong is wrong. I've been trying to chill the fuck out in my older years, with some success, but that just feels like I'm burying my own head.

  10. Frustration? by geek · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I used to get frustrated a lot. That was before I grew up and realized not everyone follows the same life path I do.

    Dumb questions do exist. I laugh when people say "there are no dumb questions" and I laugh even harder when people say "the only dumb question is the one not asked." In all honesty, both are wrong but I have learned that the only dumb question is the one asked repeatedly. If I have to explain something to someone twice, i figure "ok they just forgot, happens to me too." But if I have to tell someone, or explain something to someone over and over and over, then it's a dumb question asked by a dumb person. However, with that said, feeling frustrated doesn't help. Just walk away, don't help them, don't explain. Tell them to figure it out and stop wasting your time. If this is on the job, tell their manager and get them replaced for incompetence.

    It isn't worth getting frustrated and angry. Your emotions are your responsibility. A wise man once told me, "10% of life is what happens to you, the other 90% is how you deal with it."

    1. Re:Frustration? by Eggplant62 · · Score: 1

      I disagree with you on walking away and not helping someone who keeps asking over and over and over the same questions. I put the answers to those questions in writing with a copy to the person's manager to ensure the message gets across.

      I work in medical transcription now, managing a large group of people handling 11 hospital accounts. I get the same questions over and over and over. For them, I use http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com./ It helps get the message across really, really well, too.

    2. Re:Frustration? by geek · · Score: 1

      I tried that approach and had it backfire. Getting snarky on the job ruins your credibility, especially when dealing with inter-department stuff. They can just as easily come to your boss and then the entire mess is on you. It's truly best to walk away and take it up with their immediate supervisor, that is what the supervisor is for. Let them deal with it, it's why they make more money than you do.

    3. Re:Frustration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But if I have to tell someone, or explain something to someone over and over and over, then it's a dumb question asked by a dumb person.

      How do you know you aren't just giving out stupid answers?

    4. Re:Frustration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My philosophy is that you should never turn away someone who isn't acting out of malice, no matter how many headaches it causes. By not helping them you're just compounding misery with more misery.

    5. Re:Frustration? by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have learned that the only dumb question is the one asked repeatedly.

      So this question isn't dumb?

    6. Re:Frustration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But if I have to tell someone, or explain something to someone over and over and over, then it's a dumb question asked by a dumb person.

      So you're one of those dumb people that can't properly explain things?

    7. Re:Frustration? by ion.simon.c · · Score: 0, Redundant

      No. It's not.

      You, however, are a *dumb*ass. ;)

    8. Re:Frustration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless that person happens to have a cognitive dysfunction. You insensitive clod!

      What were we talking about again?

    9. Re:Frustration? by Toonol · · Score: 1

      But this one is?

    10. Re:Frustration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But is this question dumb?

    11. Re:Frustration? by slash.duncan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You sound like me, but formed from different life experiences. =:^)

      I don't worry so much about questions, perhaps because I've become /used/ to dealing with people asking them, but do get bothered when I see someone say "I had no choice", because in reality, that's choosing to be a passive victim, not an active overcomer. Unfortunately, I've been there.

      I was a (repeat) victim of abuse earlier in life. That's how I learned about victim syndrome, failing to appreciate the choices one has, continually reevaluate personal priorities in the light of changing reality, and assertively choose and act on your choices based on that, the hard way. The victim /lets/ life happen to him, and often believes /himself/ that he "has no choice", because he's /chosen/ to be passive, to /be/ a victim. The overcomer may in fact have many of the same terrible calamities happen, but actively evaluates his options and dynamically responds accordingly, reevaluating and adjusting as he goes, choosing NOT to allow himself to remain forever a victim, but to overcome it and use it to his advantage.

      The victim chooses to let life happen to him. The overcomer forces life to let him "happen" to it.

      That was a hard lesson to learn, and those events will forever remain a part of me, but having learned it, I've now taken advantage of them, and don't believe I'd remove them even if I could, because then I'd not be "me", but someone else.

      10% fate, 90% what you choose to do with it or how you react to it, indeed!

      --
      Duncan
      "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master,
      and if you use the program, he is your master."
      R Stallman
    12. Re:Frustration? by rirugrat · · Score: 1

      There's no such thing as a stupid question...only stupid people who ask questions...

    13. Re:Frustration? by mortonda · · Score: 1

      A wise man once told me, "10% of life is what happens to you, the other 90% is how you deal with it."

      Sound like this quote by Charles Swindoll:

      The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life.

      Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, than education, than money, than circumstances, than failures, than successes, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company... a church... a home.

      The remarkable thing is we have a choice every day regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change our past... we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude... I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I react to it.

      And so it is with you... we are in charge of our attitudes.

    14. Re:Frustration? by vantar · · Score: 1

      I agree with you on the existence of dumb questions however I question the wisdom of using repetition as an indicator of the stupidity of the question. In my experience a person asking the same question(s) over and over again is an indicator that the given answer has not been presented in a parseable manner. So when someone asks me a question I have answered for them already I assume that my last answer was counter intuitive to what they were expecting so I try to figure out what they could be hung up and then modify my answer to better explain that aspect. After I do that I rarely get that question again.

    15. Re:Frustration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So... this question isn't dumb?

    16. Re:Frustration? by russ1337 · · Score: 2, Funny

      As a New Zealander living in Texas I've been asked a few dumb questions:

      Q:Do you have Thanksgiving in New Zealand?
      A: No. The lack of pilgrims and Indians prevented us from doing so, plus our summer harvest would have been in March.

      Q: Do you celebrate 4th of July in New Zealand?
      A: No. We are a Commonwealth Country who has an allegiance to the Queen.

      Q: So, because your seasons are different, you must have Christmas in July?
      A: You are an idiot.

    17. Re:Frustration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Usually, if you don't understand the answer, you'll ask someone else. If they keep asking the same guy, and getting the same answer they do not understand each time, then yes, they are idiots.

    18. Re:Frustration? by dna_(c)(tm)(r) · · Score: 1

      Tired of walking on your hands, were you?

    19. Re:Frustration? by ScrumHalf · · Score: 1

      How do you know you aren't just giving out stupid answers?

      When you answer a question, or show someone how to do something, and they are able to then complete the task, would it not be safe to assume you adequately answered their inquiry? Now, 2 hours, 1 week, or 7 minutes later they ask again, after they were completely in the clear on the answer/solution/method. Now repeat that indefinitely. Some people either don't have the attention span to remember simple instructions, or simply don't care.

      I can't speak specific examples from the OP's life, but I can illustrate one from my own. I play and coach for the local rugby club in my city. There are players who don't have the understanding of what decisions to make or how to execute a particular play. I then explain how to perform the action, and why you would perform an action (explaining the 'why' I find helps people buy into it, they then understand that there is a reason behind the way of doing things, not just me barking orders). From there we execute drills to reinforce the action, after several iterations of which, people tend to get it. They are able to execute the actions properly and decisively. The problem is that the same few individuals routinely forget everything they learn every 4 days, no matter how many times we go through this cycle. They are able to execute it properly once it is explained to them, but how many times should one have to explain the same action?

    20. Re:Frustration? by RockWolf · · Score: 1

      As a New Zealander living in Texas...

      You poor bastard.

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    21. Re:Frustration? by RockWolf · · Score: 1
      Fairly unrelated and offtopic, but your post reminded me of some lyrics: Fort Minor - Remember The Name. Maybe you'll appreciate it.

      Ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
      Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
      Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
      And a hundred percent reason to remember the name.

      Have a good one.

      /~Rockwolf.

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  11. Charitable contributions by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I find that it's easier to avoid taking other peoples' idiocy to heart when I can pay various non-profit organizations to deal with it on my behalf. Some recent favorites include:

    The ever-present EFF
    The Freedom from Religion Foundation
    The American Library Association
    The Wikimedia Foundation
    The Nevada chapter of the ACLU (which is explicitly pro-Second Amendment, unlike the national body)

    There are plenty of other worthy causes; those are just the ones on my list this year. Think about it this way: the God-botherers contribute a full 10% of their income, pre-tax, to try to drag civilization back into the Middle Ages. What's the best you can do?

    1. Re:Charitable contributions by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Informative

      There are plenty of other worthy causes; those are just the ones on my list this year. Think about it this way: the God-botherers contribute a full 10% of their income, pre-tax, to try to drag civilization back into the Middle Ages. What's the best you can do?

      Those same God botherers have been shown in study after study to be far quicker to give a large percentage of their income to charities that directly reach out to the poor and down-trodden than their secular counterparts. Even some atheists have admitted that Christianity is doing wonders in Africa at changing the hearts of millions and bringing them to a point where they can build peaceful, stable societies.

    2. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's because many atheists believe that helping the downtrodden is everybody's responsibility and so should be done by society, paid for by taxes, as opposed to private charitable contributions. If there's no god, why do so personally when you don't score brownie points and won't solve the problem when you can rally everyone to solve the problem compulsorily instead? Good works through social programs solves the free rider problem with regard to charitable contribution.

    3. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Christianity is doing wonders in Africa at changing the hearts of millions and bringing them to a point where they can build peaceful, stable societies."

      Christianity is doing wonders in Africa at changing the hearts of millions and bringing them to a point where they can contribute 10% of their income.

      Fixed it for you

    4. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice try but one person isn't "some atheists", it's "one atheist". One atheist who doesn't represent anyone but himself.

      Besides some think-tank in USA called Center for Global Development recently ranked rich countries in their "commitment to fostering prosperity in the developing world".http://www.economist.com/markets/indicators/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12777735&fsrc=rss The top 5 are Netherlands, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Ireland. If you take a look at this picture http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Europe_belief_in_god.png you'll see that these have a very low number of people who believe in god. Compare this with USA which is ranked at 17 of 22 of the most commited countries. USA has a very high number (according to the statistics on the wikipedia article where I found that picture ~15% state they have no religion.

    5. Re:Charitable contributions by ImOnlySleeping · · Score: 1

      I don't want to rain on your parade, but the christians that headed over there a couple hundred years ago are the cause of a vast majority of Africa's problems.

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    6. Re:Charitable contributions by sincewhen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Christianity is doing wonders in Africa at changing the hearts of millions and bringing them to a point where they can build peaceful, stable societies.

      You say "Christianity" I would say "Good people working together under the banner of Christanity."

      The problem I have with such missionary work is the expectation (if not explicit requirement) that the recipients convert to Christianity.

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    7. Re:Charitable contributions by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      Right, like those God botherers have brought peace to the Middle East with their latest Crusade?

    8. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those same God botherers have been shown in study after study to be far quicker to give a large percentage of their income to charities...

      Well sure, and those guys who go on Asian sex tours are just helping out those poor underage Asian prostitutes - it's all just "charity".

      Either way, the basic formula is the same. Find some really poor people and give them a small amount of money to do something for you - whether it's sex or "believing in Jesus".

    9. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Those same God botherers have been shown in study after study to be far quicker to give a large percentage of their income to charities that directly reach out to the poor and down-trodden than their secular counterparts." Citation? I'm honestly curious.

    10. Re:Charitable contributions by jackbird · · Score: 1

      Ireland has a low percentage of the populace who believe in god? Not even the map you posted agrees.

    11. Re:Charitable contributions by symbolic · · Score: 1

      Africa at changing the hearts of millions and bringing them to a point where they can build peaceful, stable societies.

      They're in their honeymoon period. When that's over, it not inconceivable that religion may bring the same chaos, pain, and human suffering that it has throughout history. All it takes is a religious disagreement, and either or both sides claiming that their way is god's way.

    12. Re:Charitable contributions by martin-boundary · · Score: 1

      Those same God botherers have been shown in study after study to be far quicker to give a large percentage of their income to charities that directly reach out to the poor and down-trodden than their secular counterparts.

      [Citation needed]

    13. Re:Charitable contributions by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

      Hey man, 10% of 0 is 0. Maybe it is working out for them :)

    14. Re:Charitable contributions by retchdog · · Score: 1

      Ecological fallacy.

      You haz it.

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    15. Re:Charitable contributions by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      As an ugly American, I really can't make judgment calls on the activities of various groups in Africa. I don't live in Africa. From a distance, it seems that by spreading supestition, FUD, and general nonsense about the evils of family planning, mainstream Christianity is actively trying to ensure that Africa remains the church's own private client state for centuries to come.

      While I see only negative influence from religious interests on the progress of humanity, my comment explicitly allows for disagreement on what charities and interest groups to support. The larger point, which I think you would agree with, is that when you feel exasperated with the state of things, it can be therapeutic to force yourself to look beyond your immediate interests and give some help to others who are working to improve the situations you're upset about. Spread some cash around to delegate your angst, in other words. :-P

    16. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find that it's easier to avoid taking other peoples' idiocy to heart when I can pay various non-profit organizations to deal with it on my behalf. Some recent favorites include:

      The ever-present EFF
      The Freedom from Religion Foundation
      The American Library Association
      The Wikimedia Foundation
      The Nevada chapter of the ACLU (which is explicitly pro-Second Amendment, unlike the national body)

      There are plenty of other worthy causes; those are just the ones on my list this year. Think about it this way: the God-botherers contribute a full 10% of their income, pre-tax, to try to drag civilization back into the Middle Ages. What's the best you can do?

      I just wanted to say thanks for bringing my attention to the FFRF. This is my new favorite charity. We need more organizations protecting the constitution.

    17. Re:Charitable contributions by rtechie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Those same God botherers have been shown in study after study to be far quicker to give a large percentage of their income to charities that directly reach out to the poor and down-trodden than their secular counterparts.

      I call bullshit. Let's see some citations on these nonexistent "studies". I seriously doubt any such study exists for Americans and even if it did this strikes me as something extraordinarily difficult to study in the US because it has been proven that Americans lie about religion and charity a lot. You would have to find a way to identify people's religion without asking them, an extraordinarily difficult task.

    18. Re:Charitable contributions by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      "God-botherers" don't contribute their income to "drag civilization back into the Middle Ages", they contribute it to support their Church/Mosque/Temple/etc., as well as to support those in need. It may just be because you live in the US, where more than half of the population are Protestants, who interpret the Bible themselves, but most religions coexist peacefully with science, except where it violates human rights, etc. Case in point, Catholics are not fundamentalists (i.e. they do not believe in a literal interpretation of the entire Bible, so they do not believe the world was created in 7 days).
      When it comes down to it, most religions are just ethical guidelines - they don't necessarily cause people to reject science & technology. Those that do are usually small and cult-like.

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    19. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would have to find a way to identify people's religion without asking them, an extraordinarily difficult task.

      This guy is clearly a Discordian-Buddhist

    20. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      which is explicitly pro-Second Amendment, unlike the national body

      Just exactly how much of the Constitution has to go before you and your militia buddies start defending it? Let me guess, everything apart from the 2nd Amendment.

    21. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the one hand, you have a good point; I don't tithe (I'm not a regular churchgoer or a member of a particular church), but have always thought that it was a good idea to give an equivalent amount on making sure that good gets done in the world. (Putting in a little volunteer time is helpful, too, if possible.)

      However, the "trying to drag civilization back into the Middle Ages" bit... I have worked with several churches in the past that collected for and helped organize charitable efforts that were not intended to evangelize, but simply to help those in need (e.g., providing food and services at a food pantry). To me, those were efforts to pull civilization out of the Middle Ages -- to work to reduce unequal burdens on fellow human beings. I'm sure that there are some churches who use all their donations only to build up and evangelize their own church, but it's really not fair to paint all religious people with the same brush.

    22. Re:Charitable contributions by winwar · · Score: 1

      "Those same God botherers have been shown in study after study to be far quicker to give a large percentage of their income to charities that directly reach out to the poor and down-trodden than their secular counterparts."

      You mean that the people who are expected to tithe as a part of their religion give more money to charity. Wow, what a concept....

      Then there is the question of a charity. I don't consider a religious organization to be a charity in the same way as a more secular organization. If you are part of a church, you are expected to support it.

    23. Re:Charitable contributions by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Do not attribute to organized religion what can be attributed to good people. Perhaps a better way to phrase it is: good things are happening in Africa by people in spite of their religion wasting donations on stupid shit like this:

      http://www.solidrockchurch.org/king_ofkings.php

    24. Re:Charitable contributions by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      I can't speak for anyone in a militia movement, but I think you'll find that your local ACLU chapter follows the national organization's policy, in that they stand up for almost all of the Bill of Rights except for the Second Amendment. I mentioned the Nevada chapter because they've repudiated the national organization in that respect.

      But I'm sure you're more interested in inciting a flame war than in finding out the truth.

    25. Re:Charitable contributions by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      Agreed, it's a shame that when good people do good things under the auspices of religion, they're tarred with the same brush as the Rick Warrens and other pop-media Pharisees. To me, that's just another argument in favor of abandoning the religious trappings altogether.

      Good people will do good things without religion. Bad people will do bad things in spite of religion. When good people do bad things, though, you can often find religious influence behind it.

    26. Re:Charitable contributions by bhiestand · · Score: 1

      Christianity is doing wonders in Africa at changing the hearts of millions and bringing them to a point where they can build peaceful, stable societies.

      You say "Christianity" I would say "Good people working together under the banner of Christanity."

      The problem I have with such missionary work is the expectation (if not explicit requirement) that the recipients convert to Christianity.

      Funny, my main concern is that they're teaching people NOT to use condoms.

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    27. Re:Charitable contributions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MikeRT, I hope you know that this is stating only a small part of the truth. I encourage you to read more widely about who gives to charities. I have read that religious / non-religious is not a factor in amount given to charities, rich / poor is (poor give more). Consider the damage done by reducing the supply of condoms to Africa for religious reasons. Consider how much more unfettered you would be in doing good without attributing your deeds to God and following dogma, is it right to proscribe condom use? Is it right to change the law to try to make gays second class citizens in the USA (the land of the free?). You can be a better person by taking responsibility for your own actions.

  12. Totally pulling an AOL on this one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Me too!

  13. PEBKAC by yerktoader · · Score: 1
    When I used to do tech support, I would point people to Webopedia.com, and other sites with step-by-step walk-throughs and often I would find that they didn't want to know how to fix the simple problems they experienced. They preferred to have to wait on the phone and have us hold their hands, all the while getting angry at us and their PCs/Macs. I've heard people say on plenty of occasions that they don't know and don't want to know. They want their head in the sand, just like with music, movies, television, and politics.

    More than a few friends of mine and I have felt that we should slow down and make what we have work correctly, if not better, rather than move on to the next idea.

    1. Re:PEBKAC by philspear · · Score: 1

      I've heard people say on plenty of occasions that they don't know and don't want to know. They want their head in the sand, just like with music, movies, television, and politics.

      Well, keep in mind that most people consider computers a means to an end, not entertainment in and of themselves. To use a car metaphor, if I go to get my oil changed and the guy at Jiffy Lube refers me to a manual as to how to change my oil myself, I would be annoyed and would go to someplace that did their job rather than trying to get me to do it.

      I'm aware that tech support is tech SUPPORT, not maintenece, and I'm also aware that it's much more efficient for all involved if people learned how to not screw up their computers, but the people who you were talking about obviously didn't.

      My point is that it's not anything so deep as "wanting their head in the sand," it really just comes down to "I don't want to fucking learn how to fix my computer, I want it FIXED and for some reason I think that's your job."

      Frankly, it sounds like it may have also been a little bit of your customers got angry at your condescending tone, which they were already probably expecting.

    2. Re:PEBKAC by pizzach · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I'm sure that things are brutal with tech support. Though as a techie that sometimes is forced to call tech support for various reasons, I have definitely found the idiocy is definitely not a one sided thing. The problem is, the tech support people get bullied around so much, you some times have to baby them to make sure they don't close up and become unhelpful. They are definitely not all 100% qualified for their current jobs either.
      • Case in point number 1: I forgot my password. The company tech person gives me a password. It's wrong. It just isn't the style I would make a password in, and I know. I try to tell them it is wrong in a polite way. They get defensive until I try it. They later realize they can't distinguish a 1 and an l which may be a font problem on their computer. I never got mean, but I was a bit too thankful when she finally gave me the right password though. The kind of thankfulness that when you receive it, you feel like a jerk for having been acting like an ass.

      • Case in point number 2: I call TDS tech support about TDS webmail for my grandmother. It overall works well, but she needs to be able to make the text larger to read. Because the lines have the break positions hard set as so many characters, she ends up having to scroll ridiculous left/right distances at the font size she needs. The setting is editable in the TDS webmail preferences, but the numbers in the drop down aren't nearly flexible enough.

        On the phone I recommend she try to perhaps drop a line with the developers. She says that webmail is an extra feature and is not meant to be used for general usage. I would more inclined believe her, but recently TDS has made it mandatory for the users to go to their main portal page to get to webmail.

        In any case, she kept going back to how I should be using outlook express instead. This is a lovely program that doesn't quite work how my grandmother can adjust, and on top of that the interface can't be enlarged. Yet she kept repeating that is what I should do. I'm 90% that was written on a queue card or something.

        I eventually switched my grandmother over to linux with Thunderbird as the mail client. In the end was the best option at the time because I could make the text for everything huge and get rid of any interface elements that would confuse her.

        One of the more disappointing things about the conversation was how she didn't try recommending any other software. It was only Outlook Express. She didn't even say anything about screen reading software that may have helped get around the problems that Outlook Express would impose on the situation.

      • Case in point number 3: Tech support tells be about the wonders of emptying the IE cache and resetting the history. It can speed things up and fix bugs. I didn't want to say I was using linux, and so never did. She was too damn nice and I didn't want to end the conversation saying something that would destroy happy the mood, especially with how rare they are with tech support. I couldn't help bug get the feeling that she was really happy to have learned it herself and wanted to pass the information to the world.

      Damn that was a long post. Nit pick it as you want, guys.

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    3. Re:PEBKAC by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      If you went in to jiffy lube and asked how to turn a computer on, you would be laughed at. Because A: the car's not broken and B: It's not their fucking job. Car metaphors don't work until we allow un-licensed drivers on the road.

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    4. Re:PEBKAC by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      They preferred to have to wait on the phone and have us hold their hands, all the while getting angry at us and their PCs/Macs.

      I've done support too, and I know exactly what you mean. One of the worst cases was when a caller started off by saying, "I don't normally call tech support, but the propeller-heads at work messed up my computer."

      I considered asking him just what type of person he thought I was, but decided that discretion was the better part of valor.

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    5. Re:PEBKAC by yerktoader · · Score: 1

      You assume I had a condescending tone, but as I have bills, and need money I performed my job professionally. I've always been bitter at people who are willingly stupid and I make no excuses for that, but I also try to give everyone a chance and generally am a nice and fun guy. I don't treat those who are less intelligent by no fault of their own as lesser, and have close friends ranging from truck drivers to scientists. Additionally, support is support and not "Computers 101" which was a large part of customer expectations, to whit I was kindly attempting to help these people help themselves. You seem to ignore the fact that many of these people - whether they forgot their password, or have a serious malfunction - don't and won't take any time to learn the slightest about their machines which yes, are a means to an end. Much like they won't and don't learn to check their dipsticks, air pressure, and filters which are pretty darn important to keeping their investment in proper running condition.

    6. Re:PEBKAC by yerktoader · · Score: 1
      Oh the PEBKAC error definitely exists on both sides...Tier One support doesn't get a bad reputation for no reason. When I was hired, I had to show that I knew at least something about computers. I had no trouble performing the basic tasks, but the other new hire had to be told how to open an email client - how he made it on the phones is beyond me.

      I guess sometimes they want someone who thinks differently than a techie, but I still have a hard time seeing how this guy could have been any help to anyone.

    7. Re:PEBKAC by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      In any case, she kept going back to how I should be using outlook express instead. This is a lovely program that doesn't quite work how my grandmother can adjust, and on top of that the interface can't be enlarged.

      Huh? I'll admit that I don't use the problem and have no way of checking this out myself since I don't have a Windows box, but why can't it be enlarged? Wouldn't turning up the system-wide font size do the trick, or is there some reason that you only want *that* program to be enlarged?

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    8. Re:PEBKAC by bdcrazy · · Score: 1

      Most non Microsoft apps don't handle font scaling well. Increasing the system font dpi causes pop up windows to be missing buttons, text wrapping out of the window, etc. I haven't used windows in a while, so not sure if they fixed these issues yet.

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    9. Re:PEBKAC by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      In the case of point #2, of course she didn't recommend anything but Outlook Express or Webmail -- once you recommend something, people are going to feel you are obligated to support it. They're not going to recommend the installation of anything that won't be understood or supported by all the tech support staff.

    10. Re:PEBKAC by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      If you went in to jiffy lube and asked how to turn a *car* on,..

      it's called "computer literacy" and I cannot believe how little respect (or humility) people have for it. Meanwhile the billion dollar botnets rumble on, slackers make shit up that only the competent understand, and the overqualified fail for not completing the impossible.

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  14. listen to David Foster Wallace by crayz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pretty good combat the horror of life advice. OTOH, DFW killed himself this year, so maybe that's not a ringing endorsement

    1. Re:listen to David Foster Wallace by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I really liked that address. Thanks!

  15. Keep it in perspective by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The easiest way to stay upbeat is to remember that you, too, are an idiot. Everyone is an idiot from time to time. When you see idiocy in others that is the time to take an even closer look at yourself to see what lacunae reside in your own thinking.

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    1. Re:Keep it in perspective by SerpentMage · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BINGO...

      I always say that a democracy and freedom of speech is the right to be an idiot! And I do mean it quite literally, I have the right to say something that can make me the biggest ARSE on the planet, and it would depress the heck out anyone around me.

      So BE HAPPY that we have those rights. Because many countries you don't have the right to be an idiot! And that is when life gets really depressing...

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      "You can't make a race horse of a pig"
      "No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
    2. Re:Keep it in perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I think this is the most important thing I've learned in my life.

      All people do what seems best from their perspective. They have trouble evaluating things that they are emotionally invested in (particularly things that affect them directly), but they do try on some level. Everyone essentially makes the same mistakes, to varying degrees. Of course, there are some truly pathological cases, but the underlying causes are the same.

      And I can't escape these underlying causes. Try as I might to fight error, I remain human, just like everyone else. The key to enduring the world is to keep fighting your own errors and forgiving those of the people around you.

    3. Re:Keep it in perspective by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 2, Funny

      From my perspective, everyone's right to be an idiot ENDS when I've told them not to do XYZ 7 times and they decide to do XYZ at 4:30pm on a Friday, knowing full well that every time they do that I have to work until 3am to freakin fix it while they get to take the rest of the day off.

      This is the point where being an idiot becomes justifiable homocide.

    4. Re:Keep it in perspective by sketerpot · · Score: 1

      Idiocy is not evenly distributed. There are some people who just don't seem to know anything about anything, or be capable of anything. I still have trouble grasping this fact, but reality occasionally rubs my nose in it.

    5. Re:Keep it in perspective by yerktoader · · Score: 1

      Socrates, is that you?

    6. Re:Keep it in perspective by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Yes, and this really does seem to be a problem here. Some people seem to think that since they are good programmers etc., that they are more intelligent than most other people. That's an excellent way to get lock-in to your own kind of thinking and become intolerant and ignorant of other people's way of thinking.

    7. Re:Keep it in perspective by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I preface topics of conversation I'm not intimately familiar in with a dis/qualifier. IE, "I'm not an expert, but.." or "I'm completely ignorant in this, but" or similar. Mostly, such statements are of the simple observational/deducted variety, and prove to have validity. Sometimes, I come across as an idiot. But at least I prefaced it with "I admit I'm an idiot, please clarify this".

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    8. Re:Keep it in perspective by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      My mom always told me there was a wierdo on the bus. I could never find him though.

      I still look from time to time... I still cant find him.

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    9. Re:Keep it in perspective by weicco · · Score: 1

      I find the saying "When dealing with idiot, make sure he's not doing the same" to be very appropriate from time to time :)

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    10. Re:Keep it in perspective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      homocide.

      ?!?

    11. Re:Keep it in perspective by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      The easiest way to stay upbeat is to remember that you, too, are an idiot. Everyone is an idiot from time to time. When you see idiocy in others that is the time to take an even closer look at yourself to see what lacunae reside in your own thinking.

      I can actually offer an exercise to help any reader (including myself) engage properly in this task.

      Remember yourself 10 years ago? .. riiight.
      Ok.. in 10 years you'll be doing the same thing.

      BAM! we're all idiots!

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      VLC FOR MAC IS DYING! IF YOU DEVELOP, PLEASE SAVE IT!!
  16. Simple by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You accept the fact that the world has always been dominated by idiots and malcontents and yet, somehow, it has managed to survive.

    1. Re:Simple by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      You accept the fact that the world has always been dominated by idiots and malcontents and yet, somehow, it has managed to survive

      Perhaps an obvious answer here is that the world isn't as idiotic as you thought it was in the first place?

    2. Re:Simple by psetzer · · Score: 1

      More pointedly, it's often our own ignorance which leads us to think the world is populated with idiots.

      --
      "Anyone who attempts to generate random numbers by deterministic means is living in a state of sin." -- John von Neumann
    3. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also need to accept that society is only 2 inches away from falling apart.

      Also that if all of technology fails, there will be a major die off. Most people cant figure out basics of survival. Hell last time I was on a trip with a large number of people most could not comprehend peeing or pooping without a toilet. and Most women would freak out if they did not have tampons and pads during their time of the month. Hell 99% of you dont know what plants are safe to eat in the wild. I bet that 25% of you would die in the first 2 days of self poisoning.

      Today's society encourages ignorance and apathy. almost noone needs to know how to survive anymore .. at least in the papmered 1st world countries. I think a large number of people in countries without electricity and running water know how.

    4. Re:Simple by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Perhaps an obvious answer here is that the world isn't as idiotic as you thought it was in the first place?

      I think it means overall brilliance is simply not required to survive. It's more a qualifier of how far or fast you advance and improve.

    5. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps like with "user generated content" 1% of the users contribute 90% of the work, and the rest mill about.

    6. Re:Simple by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but the other 99% of users are probably doing something elsewhere. That's kinda my point.

    7. Re:Simple by owlstead · · Score: 1

      The world: yes, societies: no. And the society we are living in is world wide, and world ruining. Lets hope some people will manage to survive.

    8. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although sustained, under what quality of life?

  17. Everybody is stupid in some areas. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Education, education, education. Pay our teachers like the cultural CEO's that they are.

  18. Everyone should adapt the 21st cent business model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - all content should be posted freely on line

    - leverage other people's content, which also should be freely on line. Information wants to be free, etc.

    - add blogging commentary and allow talkbacks to create a community

    - sell non-intrusive ads, and maybe some consulting

    - don't spend much, if any, money developing original content, other than commentary and link selection

    Kind of like... let's see... techdirt.com! Thanks, guys.

  19. Mediocre Blog Rubbish by Qbertino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As of today, we shall call this sort of stuff MBR - Mediocre Blog Rubbish.

    Newsflash: Businesses care squat about technology. They're in it for the money. I'm currently employed in a gig with a 300 percent growth rate (and rising!) and we build our stuff by standards that are close to outdated in some parts. So what? Who cares if the application model is a mess and half the team barely know how to use versioning? ... Well, I do, actually, and I tell my teammates to *use* versioning and f*cking comment their commits, but I try not to be to pesky about it, it leads no where. A few weeks ago I showed one programmer on my team that you could mark a line by pressing shift and the down key. He didn't know that. No joke. He didn't know Keyboard Computer Interface 101, first lesson and has been programming in this company for 1.5 years and has quite some IT experience prior to this. Is he stupid? No. Ignorant? Maybe. But I trust he just didn't know and nobody had shown him yet. And from his reaction - he was glad I showed him and wanted to hear some more 'tricks' :-) - I judge he is an open minded fellow in this respect.

    And as long as we are able to push out the code faster than our competitors do and are able to deliver products our customers like, we'll all keep our jobs. And if the company shrinks some time in the future, wether I know how to correctly normalise an app-model, what the LAMP stack actually looks like from the inside and why the MS Windows line of OSes actually really *does* suck in ways beyond most regular IT peoples imagination and my teammates don't, doesn't matter squat when we all are scheduled for layoff. The only difference is that I take more interest in certain details of my field and have more experience than some of them and that I am thus more suitable for research or foundation work. Such as building better tools, training or optimising the pipeline. Which I intend to (continue) to do in the future, for my projects, my department and my team.

    Bottom line: If you're oh-so-much smarter than the rest around you, get in to management, team-lead, FOSS project maintenance or an academic gig in computer science. Otherwise shut the fuck up.

    My 2 Euros.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Has it been your experience that being smarter than other people is a prerequisite for or helps in getting a job in management?

    2. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by Bromskloss · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      why the MS Windows line of OSes actually really *does* suck in ways beyond most regular IT peoples imagination

      Possibly off-topic, but I'd really be interested in hearing why this is. I mean, I've long had that feeling, but wouldn't be able to pin down specific reasons (except the obvious lack of freedom to do with it whatever you find interesting).

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      Swedish plasma phys. PhD student; MSc EE; knows maths, programming, electronics; finance interest; seeks opportunities
    3. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by publiclurker · · Score: 1

      Being smarter than other people actually seems to be a disadvantage in management. Thinking you are smarter seems to be a prerequisite, however.

    4. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right on the money! Being smarter or right-err doesn't pay unless you can profit from it.

    5. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few weeks ago I showed one programmer on my team that you could mark a line by pressing shift and the down key. He didn't know that. No joke. He didn't know Keyboard Computer Interface 101

      I find the entire notion of people doing text based work using a GUI app very strange.

      My experience has been that when you allow people on the team who "can't use version control" (after being shown 20 times) or are incapable of using proper commit messages, code quality takes a dive. Eventually the code becomes unmaintainable and it's then that your competitors get to wipe the floor with you.

      Been there, tee-shirt, mental scars etc...

    6. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Being smarter than other people actually seems to be a disadvantage in management.

      This is not true, although it appears that way for two reasons.

      One, a big part of management skills are people skills, and a lot more people are strong in one area than in two. People tend to specialize in things they're good at.

      Two, people tend to undervalue skills that they don't have, perhaps for reasons related to the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Intellectually average managers may look at a dorky programmer and mainly notice their lack of social skills and poor dress sense. Equally, that programmer may fail to appreciate what the manager is actually good at, and focus on how much lower their IQ is.

      Another confounding factor is politicking. The larger the company, the more room there is for individuals to advance themselves without regard for the company or their colleagues. Some of the dumbest decisions I've ever seen came from perfectly smart people who were just acting in their own personal interests.

    7. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      few weeks ago I showed one programmer on my team that you could mark a line by pressing shift and the down key. He didn't know that. No joke. He didn't know Keyboard Computer Interface 101, first lesson and has been programming in this company for 1.5 years and has quite some IT experience prior to this. Is he stupid? No. Ignorant? Maybe.

      Or maybe he just wasn't too familiar with your particular IDE. Shift+down does shit for me in vim...does that make me ignorant as well?

      Maybe it's not "Keyboard Computer Interface 101" and you're just an asshole? Actually, the fact that you'd declare something like "Shit+down" as such makes YOU seem like the ignorant one.

      Maybe.

    8. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And as long as we are able to push out the code faster than our competitors do and are able to deliver products our customers like, we'll all keep our jobs."

      Right up until the point where a system fails and there's no recoverable source archives. Or someone with critical information that's only in their head quits.

      Or someone hacks in and totally shreds the infrastructure.

      Or the application goes belly up and takes the database with it because coding speed and cost was more important than designing in reliability, availability and servicibility.

      There's more to IT than "Git R Dun", if you intend to run an ongoing sustainable business. Sooner or later those "unimportant" things will nail you. That's why the big dogs "waste" time and money on all that "useless" ****.

      When you're down for a solid week and your competitors aren't, management isn't going to remember your "productivity".

    9. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by dodobh · · Score: 1

      As long as you have versioning, and a good set of models, you can do fine. The problem comes when you choose not to put in the infrastructure.

      --
      I can throw myself at the ground, and miss.
    10. Re:Mediocre Blog Rubbish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Possibly off-topic, but

      That was your mistake, my friend. Soon as you say, "this might be off topic" you will be modded as such. "I'm not trying to troll"... **bam** troll mod.

      Don't worry about it. Glad to be informative and insightful ;-)

  20. Frank Herbert explains it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Yes, incumbent forces, with short-sighted plans and a desire to hold back the tides are annoying and disruptive (not in a good way) in the short run. But even they are finding they can't hold back progress.

    And Frank Herbert, in Heretics of Dune noted that:

    "Bureaucracy destroys initiative. There is little that bureaucrats hate more than innovation, especially innovation that produces better results than the old routines. Improvements always make those at the top of the heap look inept. Who enjoys appearing inept?"

    Knowing why people sometimes block good ideas helps me cope with it. Thank you for that, Frank.

  21. Meaningless by show+me+altoids · · Score: 1

    "A wonderful summary?" To me it just looks like a bunch of psychobabble that is totally meaningless. It was said in a more comprehensible and concise manner by the song "Don't Worry; Be Happy." It reminds me of my boss's favorite saying (and the favorite of many, I gather): "It is what it is." WTF is that supposed to mean?

    --
    I feel sorry for people that don't drink, because when they get up in the morning, that's as good as they're gonna feel
    1. Re:Meaningless by dubl-u · · Score: 3, Informative

      Quick tip from a fellow nerd: when people say something that is obviously retarded or meaningless when interpreted literally, they often are speaking figuratively.

      For example, "it is what it is" is often used to mean that they want people to focus on what's possible in the current situation, rather than what is ideal.

      A lot of what I previously thought of as psychobabble actually now makes good sense to me. Once I realized that although I'm intellectually bright, I'm relatively weak in both interpersonal and intrapersonal areas, I spent some time studying hard in areas that come naturally to most people. If you're interested, I'd start with Emotional Intellgence, which is a pop-sci examination of how intelligence is not a single axis, but has a number of areas along which people vary somewhat independently. Then run with the references from there.

  22. You mean it's possible...? by macraig · · Score: 1

    I don't stay upbeat. I have a few brief orgasmic moments of optimism every so often, but it never lasts: inevitably I'll encounter some idiot(s) who remind me just how bad reality really is, in the absence of blissful ignorance.

    Frankly, though, I'd rather remain this way than take some pill that bestows bliss. I have a sneaking suspicion the shit will seriously hit the fan while I yet live, and all that pessimism may come in handy when it does.

  23. Acts of Gord by Chief_Wiggum · · Score: 1

    I suggest everyone reads this. It especially helps if you've done or are currently doing tech support. This chronicles the Almighty Gord, and details how to deal with stupid customers. http://www.actsofgord.com/

    1. Re:Acts of Gord by Bieeanda · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having interacted with Gord in the wild, I can safely state that these 'acts' are pure fantasy. Revenge fantasy. Tell-your-boss-to-fuck-off-because-you-won-the-lottery fantasy. Because really, while he fantasizes about being a big man... those stupid customers are ultimately his employers.

    2. Re:Acts of Gord by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      The more I read Acts of Gord, the more I realize that Gord really isn't all that bright. He makes terrible black-white assumptions in nearly every revenge fantasy he brings up.

      It was reasonably funny in Married with Children (or other sitcoms, take your pick). Not-so-much when it tries to pass itself off as real events.

  24. Incumbent forces by philspear · · Score: 1

    Could the article or summary be a little more vague? I think the "Short-sighted incumbent forces association" might be a little offended by this.

    Who exactly is reffered to by "incumbent forces." Is it a specific term in some field I'm not aware of, or is the author intentionally being cryptic because he can't think up any specific examples to support his argument? I think it's far from general to, uh, "innovation." I don't think there's any "incumbent forces" trying to stop innovation in the field of, say, cancer research.

    Using that term makes it sound like there's a specific organization out there, whose mission statement is "to hold back the tides are annoying and disruptive (not in a good way) in the short run and oppose 'innovation.'" No? Would that include other things, like not being able to find your shoes as in "This morning, I wanted to go out and innovate, but I couldn't find my shoes, so I didn't."

    Guy sounds like he's trying to sell inspirational tapes to paranoid technophiles.

  25. Think outside the box. by coryking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm beginning to realize too many engineers and computer nerds fall into a trap where they can only see how things will fail. This makes sense, because that is what a good engineer should do. However, the brightest engineers I know often have a hard time thinking outside the box. When given an idea that doesn't mesh with their existing view of the world, they are often quick to shoot it down.

    I think many engineers would do very well to learn things and associate with people who are very far from their occuptaions. Hang out with somebody who does Feng Shui for a living--it really is just a different language for expressing good design and architecture. Read up on Taoism. Hang out with people who deal with the public--a nurse or something. Hang out with a couple artists. Learn Jazz, where the idea is to *not* have a rigid musical structure. Force yourself to enjoy sports... hockey has a lot of skill! Force yourself into doing things that don't require stringent rules like programming. And for god sake, stop trying to fucking correct your girlfriend/wife/whatever on minor technical details (even though it is hard sometimes, trust me)!!

    The more you force yourself to *stop* thinking like an engineer, the better you'll be at engineering and the happier your life will be overall.

    1. Re:Think outside the box. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talk to nurse, that's a really good idea.

      I take support calls from nurses. A lot of them are old, and fall into the category of "I don't know and I don't want to know" even though the sledgehammer called HIPAA is jamming all kinds of information technology down their throats. They hate it and they won't hesitate to share that with you. The younger ones aren't much better. Their greater appetetite for technology is offset by their frustration at why they aren't allowed to install their spyware *cough* er screen savers, or why they're not allowed to visit icanhaztrojan.com or whatever.

      That being said, they make me so grateful to have the job I have. Because as much as THEY are idiots, they have to deal with even more spectacular idiots than I do. I never have to worry about restraining the HIV+ crackhead whose life I'm trying to save. I never have to deal with abusive parents explaining how a child "fell." I don't have sort out which drug the septugenarian with Alzhiemer's accidentally took too much of.

      So yeah... talk to a nurse. I don't know what that has to do with thinking outside the box, but it will defenitely make you feel better about dealing with run-of-the mill id10ts. Count your blessings geeks.

    2. Re:Think outside the box. by dubl-u · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm beginning to realize too many engineers and computer nerds fall into a trap where they can only see how things will fail. [...] Force yourself into doing things that don't require stringent rules like programming. And for god sake, stop trying to fucking correct your girlfriend/wife/whatever on minor technical details (even though it is hard sometimes, trust me)!!

      Yeah, I had a similar epiphany a decade ago. After a hard week dealing with my dying grandparents, and a six-hour drive in bad weather, I came home to find my roommate's relentlessly negative girlfriend sitting in my favorite chair, drinking my scotch.

      For the next hour I sat numbly while she complained at me about whatever speck of the world's badness was bothering her at the time. Eventually she went away, and I had an incredible feeling of relief. It was like somebody had finally stopped feeding scrap tin through a paper shredder. Over the next few hours I killed the bottle of scotch and thought a lot about the nature of life.

      When the hangover cleared the next morning, I had already made my decision: negative people were annoying as fuck, and I resolved not to be one. It took me a long time to retrain myself, and I still slip occasionally. But it was entirely worth it, both for its effect on others and on my own mental health.

    3. Re:Think outside the box. by martin-boundary · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The more you force yourself to *stop* thinking like an engineer, the better you'll be at engineering and the happier your life will be overall.

      I have to disagree with your suggestions. Engineers (like scientists) live in the real world where being *right* matters, because Nature doesn't get swayed by appearances.

      The people you are talking about - managers, artists, feng shui charlatans etc. - live in a world of appearances, where success depends, to various extents, on convincing others of the value of their work. These are important social skills for most people to have, but are not important for engineers in their dayjobs. You can't negotiate with a bridge about please not falling down.

      In fact, if an engineer consciously tries not to think like an engineer, they'll do themselves a disservice. Most engineering students, when they start university, do not think like engineers. It's hard work learning how, and those who can't do so tend to switch majors, because they can't handle the harshness of physical reality.

    4. Re:Think outside the box. by HungSoLow · · Score: 1

      Engineers, by definition, are more likely to think outside the box. The problem is that a lot of engineering companies are too afraid to take risks, not willing to re-design so they demand design re-use, etc. I think companies stifle engineer's creativity.

      You make some terrific points - I learned blues guitar, started to criticize sports less and just shut the fuck up and enjoy it. Mind you, whenever a hockey fight breaks out I still jump out of my seat and beat my chest and hollar like an ape to tease my brother in law! I agree with the nurse comment too - in Canadian universities, it's a tradition for engineers (mainly males) to hang out with nurses (mainly females) during frosh and beyond. It was always a pleasure.

      But I have to take issue with the Feng Shui. There are numerous debunkings to be found on the net, not to mention the show Bullshit! did good coverage of it. Just common sense would stop one dead in their tracks. You need to be careful you don't take thinking outside the box to thinking outside of reality.

    5. Re:Think outside the box. by trytoguess · · Score: 1

      Specializing always has it's benefits, but doing some of what the grandparent post suggest would make one a more rounded person. And I'd argue that's more valuable unless you're one of the few that loves his/her profession so much the rest of what life has to offer is irrelevant.

    6. Re:Think outside the box. by Stormie · · Score: 1

      Hang out with somebody who does Feng Shui for a living--it really is just a different language for expressing good design and architecture.

      No it isn't, it's a line of bullshit used for liberating the contents of gullible peoples' wallets.

  26. You cannot change the tide by throwing a rock in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best thing is to realize that throughout history about 2/3 of all the population were idiots. It made no difference how much someone tried to influence it. There is a strange natural genetic equilibrium that we cannot change. If we try, we just wear ourselves out, while opportunistic gits get richer and live good lives. So, do what you enjoy, make sure you profit from it (in all meanings of the word), and smile.

  27. How Do You Stay Upbeat Amidst the Idiocy? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    I simply try to laugh at most of what I see here on Slashdot. After all, it's even worse elsewhere.

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    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  28. Science is the answer! by jdb2 · · Score: 1

    We're pretty close ( ~20-30 years ) to making Human Suspended Animation a reality. Assuming Humanity doesn't destroy itself in the next 50 years, and assuming free thought, genius, and scientific progress continues in some part of the world during that time, there's a good chance that within my lifetime I could be put into suspended animation, for, say, 500 years. After waking up, and taking into account current trends in IQ decline and general stupidity, I'd be welcomed as a God on Earth because the entire Human population would have (de)-evolved into a bunch of borderline retarded idiots.

    jdb2

    1. Re:Science is the answer! by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      The trend is actually an increase.

    2. Re:Science is the answer! by jdb2 · · Score: 1

      You do know that my post was a joke, right?

      jdb2

    3. Re:Science is the answer! by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      Yep, but there are people who see the movie, see the world around them, and think "humanity must be getting dumber" even though the mean IQ is increasing. I don't want to give them more ammo :)

  29. You typed the same thing I was about it by coryking · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You are an idiot, I'm an idiot, we are all an idiot. A month ago, I called the cable company to complain about how the History Channel never seemed to come in clearly. The lady on the phone walked me through basic trouble shooting. She had me re-seat the coax connector on the back of the tuner. Well gee I thought, I had the wire tightened down to the back of the tuner with a cresent wrench, what will this solve? Guess what, after re-seating the damn thing, the History Channel worked like a charm.

    Did I feel like an idiot for having to call for tech support only to have my problem resolved after walking through the "is the computer plugged in" level of troubleshooting? Yeah. But if I didn't call, the History Channel would still come in pretty shitty.

    We are all idiots. All you can do is laugh at yourself and enjoy your life. When I did tech support, I enjoyed it simply because I enjoyed chatting with the people whose computer I was fixing, and I enjoyed how thankful most of them were that I was able to fix their black box.

    I dont do tech support anymore, but it was a lot of fun when I did.

    1. Re:You typed the same thing I was about it by ucblockhead · · Score: 1

      I did something very similar. I called to complain about my sound card not working. Turned out I had the speakers plugged into line-in.

      --
      The cake is a pie
    2. Re:You typed the same thing I was about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are an idiot, I'm an idiot, we are all an idiot.

      Yeah, I've made a couple of goofs in my life where I've had to flatly state to customer service/tech support "I'm an idiot." The last time was when I booked a round trip flight, and accidentally booked the return trip for the wrong year.

    3. Re:You typed the same thing I was about it by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1

      I can't explain it, but I find that to be hilarious. :-)

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  30. By updating my Quips file by Fortran+IV · · Score: 1

    I just collect quips — running feet and funny sigs off Slashdot, weird comments from wherever, twisted quotations (O dear User! I am ill at these numbers! I have not art to reckon my groans! Hamlet) — into one massive file. I have a tiny program that does nothing but pick a random quip from the file and display it (or send it to someone else on the network). Someday I'll make a screensaver out of it...

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    I figure by 2030 or so my 6-digit UID will be something to brag about.
    1. Re:By updating my Quips file by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      That's similar to what I've done. 99% of then are grabbed from fortune tho.

      Link to texty : http://thelazy.net/~terra/quotes.txt - hope you find some you like there.

      --
      It's The Golden Rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules."
  31. God-botherer here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    There are plenty of other worthy causes; those are just the ones on my list this year. Think about it this way: the God-botherers (sic) contribute a full 10% of their income, pre-tax, to try to drag civilization back into the Middle Ages. What's the best you can do?

    That's a rather large net in which you have trapped us religious folks. As someone who likes to support organizations both financially and physically, I don't know your beef with my support.

    The Middle Ages were a long time off and thankfully the world has come a long way. How exactly does someone like me, who wants to do good in the world want to drag the world back to the Middle Ages?

    The tax breaks exist, to which I'm indifferent but take advantage of, because the idea of contributing to a charity allows the world to be a little better and is often more efficient than the State's arm.

    1. Re:God-botherer here. by retchdog · · Score: 1

      The Catholic Church accepts evolution (they're the ones who are big on the 10% thing...).

      It's sad that that's even remarkable, but it's true nonetheless.

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      "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
    2. Re:God-botherer here. by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 1

      As someone who likes to support organizations both financially and physically, I don't know your beef with my support.

      The devil's in the details. What does your church, and its larger governing body, do with your support? Tell Africans that HIV is spread through holes in condoms? Buy millions of dollars' worth of airtime to convince voters in California that civil rights are a matter for popular referendum? Attack public school boards like a bacteriophage, injecting antiscientific horseshit into the curriculum? My beef isn't with you, per se, but with the fact that I have to spend money to counteract what your church does with the money you give it. Unless you're a member of a Zen Buddhist congregation, they're probably using your funds to impose their beliefs on my life.

      Hey, I'd rather support the Planetary Society and Mars Society instead of all those groups I mentioned, and you might even prefer that, too. Instead, I have to pay the FFRF, ALA, and various science-education lobbyists to keep fighting battles that should've ended 500 years ago.

  32. My Frustration is with the pace of progress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take Microsoft for instance. No matter what anyone says, they did help to move progress forward in the early years. Their methods were not always ideal but at least at the start, Microsoft contributed a significant amount to computing and tech progress in general. As the years have gone by, Microsoft have become more entrenched and less innovative. Today they spend a lot of effort trying to stop the clock of progress. I feel that the time has come to break the shackles of patents and move forward at an accelerated pace. IP should be based on a system of use it, or lose it. If a company patents a idea, that company has a responsibility to get the idea implemented and on the shelves quickly. The world moves at an ever accelerating pace. should the patent system not reflect this?

  33. Stop focusing on "idiocy" by AdamHaun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Recognize that intelligent, tech-savvy people are just as much a font of ignorance, error, and groupthink as anyone else. Study the psychology of learning and decision making and discover that most of what you call "idiocy" is actually the same set of heuristics and biases that make us intelligent in the first place applied in situations where they don't work. Now, for the real mind-binder -- start looking at what you think you know and how you came to know it. How much of it is based on your own direct research and controlled experimentation? How much of it is based on incomplete information or a biased investigation? How much of it is just stuff your friends happen to believe?

    The answer is "almost all of it". Turns out it's really hard to actually *know* anything at all, even from a practical standpoint. We get away with being wrong most of the time because there are few direct consequences for most of our beliefs (when was the last time your political opinions really mattered?). And once you understand how easy you are to fool, it becomes a lot easier to see how other people can make the same mistakes, and how often they're the ones who are right, not you.

    But before you do any of that, drop the Slashdot Superiority Complex. There are few things in this story more ridiculous than the implicit idea that the world should be run by the same people who write comments on tech news sites.

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    1. Re:Stop focusing on "idiocy" by thealsir · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Mod parent up. Slashdotters (and the technology world in general) need to be less pretentious about everything.

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      Do not downmod posts "overrated" simply because you disagree with them.
    2. Re:Stop focusing on "idiocy" by ATKeiper · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Exactly right.

    3. Re:Stop focusing on "idiocy" by russotto · · Score: 1

      Recognize that intelligent, tech-savvy people are just as much a font of ignorance, error, and groupthink as anyone else.

      No, they aren't. Anti-elitism is fashionable, but basically wrong. There really is a difference between idiots and intelligent people.

    4. Re:Stop focusing on "idiocy" by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny how it's never the non-elites who have the shitty ideas like "let's kill 6 million people because we don't agree with their political views". It's always the elites. Funny, that.

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    5. Re:Stop focusing on "idiocy" by AdamHaun · · Score: 1

      I have met many intelligent people, and I have to disagree. I think you're misunderstanding the nature of intelligence. Avoiding error and groupthink takes a great deal of training and self-discipline, not just raw ability. The difference I've found is that intelligent people are better at making their low-quality ideas sound good through rationalization and are more likely to put stock in intellectual-sounding explanations. A good example of this is the way some people use a hazy understanding of quantum mechanics or evolutionary biology to justify their own pre-existing prejudices and superstitions.

      That's not to say that intelligence is useless or that expertise in some specific area doesn't make you more knowledgeable than anyone else. But they're not "get out of fail free" cards for human nature.

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    6. Re:Stop focusing on "idiocy" by AdamHaun · · Score: 1

      Funny how it's never the non-elites who have the shitty ideas like "let's kill 6 million people because we don't agree with their political views".

      Sure it is! I don't agree with the grandparent comment either, but plenty of non-elites have advocated, say, turning the Middle East into a "glass parking lot".

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    7. Re:Stop focusing on "idiocy" by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Funny that. The top of the Nazi party was hardly elite in the context of 1930s Germany. In fact, they were small bourgeois at best. Why do you think they wanted to associate themselves with the proletarian movement by calling themselves 'Socialists'?

      And to further shoot down your historical ignorance: it was the elite, the old German nobility, who objected the most to the Nazis. It was a bloody Count that tried to blow up Hitler.

      Mart

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    8. Re:Stop focusing on "idiocy" by thealsir · · Score: 1

      Redundant? OK...I was adding to his point. Maybe someone just didn't like what I said.

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  34. Just make fun of them by desinc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Part of my job is working as help desk. The only way to survive is to make fun of the noobies. When someone sends you an email reading "Please help, my internet doesn't work." you can't help but laugh...

    1. Re:Just make fun of them by Terrasque · · Score: 1

      of course, they sent you that email from work. Or a friend. The proper response would be to call the luser and get more details.

      The common response is to laugh and reply "Yes it does".

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    2. Re:Just make fun of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've meet quite a few people who like to make fun of noobies at the help desk. And do you know what they all have in common? They're all assholes who have a very narrow group of friends (if they have any) and they are often quite miserable when they're not doing something to try and boost their fragile egos or avoiding their feelings of inadequacy. Perhaps it's time for you to grow up?

  35. upbeat amidst idiocy? by BigGerman · · Score: 1
    Honey, I work as a professional programmer. Idiocy is SOP whether coming from top (management) or down (young ones). Learn, tolerate and milk idiocy just like everything else.

    Stupid blog though.

  36. Well personally.... by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've found a combination of liquor followed by swift and blinding violence generally works for me.

  37. Thank you for admiting it by coryking · · Score: 4, Funny

    Everybody on Slashdot has far less brain power then me. I'm sure if you ask anybody else, they would agree that they too are smarter then the rest of Slashdot. Why do you think we all post here? We are all smarter then everybody else here. We merely exist to point out how much of an idiot people not like us are.

    If you point out that *I'm* and idiot, you are wrong because remember I'm the smartest Slashdot poster here. The point of contention then becomes the fact that you cannot have two "Smartest Slashdot Posters" and so we debate.

    However, since everybody but me is an idiot, they lack the mental ability to understand how smart I truly am. This thought, that I alone am the only Smart Person On Earth, makes me depressed. However, I'm no idiot like the author of this "Ask Slashdot". Smart people dont "Ask" questions--they already know the answers. Questions are for clueless sheep.

    Obviously I do have the answer to the "question", but only an idiot would give it--it would reward asking questions and thus reward not knowing things. Never answer questions, people should learn on their own. Any Smart Slashdot Poster knows this.

    1. Re:Thank you for admiting it by OnlySlightly · · Score: 4, Funny

      You, sir, are an idiot.

    2. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for explaining the GP's joke. Unlike you, I was too slow to get it.

    3. Re:Thank you for admiting it by KillerBob · · Score: 5, Funny

      Everybody on Slashdot has far less brain power then me.

      I don't know if I should laugh or cry at that line....

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    4. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weep, for the children's sake....

    5. Re:Thank you for admiting it by WinterSolstice · · Score: 2, Informative

      I come to slashdot for the sarcasm, personally :D

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    6. Re:Thank you for admiting it by epine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm sure if you ask anybody else, they would agree that they too are smarter then the rest of Slashdot. Why do you think we all post here?

      Slashdot, the game show: I'm smarter than you, and I can prove it in five disconnected, ungrammatical sentences.

      Personally, I post here because it allows me to commune with the human truth that no matter whether you have a brain or a clue or both, it doesn't help much if you don't plug it in and turn it on.

      The problem with being blinded by your own brilliance is tripping over the power cord.

      No, more often than not, the game show here is "I'm smarter than you and I can prove without turning my brain on in the first place". We've all discovered that the engine roars loudest with your foot on the clutch.

      I'm only about half way through, and this crop isn't as good as previous years, but I did like this one:

      http://www.edge.org/q2009/q09_7.html#fisher

      I know this might be a shocking proposal, but it is possible we might someday learn what the people who post here actually get out of it.

      Rarely does it involve being taken seriously for substantive contribution. The dance is something entirely different.

      I think some posters here have been trapped so long in the vacuous underbelly of IT support, they actually crave being told how stupid they've been, as if being hit over the head with a clue stick is better than no clue stick at all, by the same calculus that it's better to have a hot chick spit at you than fail to note your existence.

      From another perspective, there are just enough people around here (but not on every thread) firing live ammunition to make crawling under the fence on your belly an interesting sport.

      I used to know an usher back when Cats played in Toronto. I think it was the kind of theater where you pass the ticket boxes into the main lobby where a giant staircase sits in the middle, 5m wide at the base, covered in red carpet, with curved brass banisters. She never ceased to be amazed at how many people came up to her and asked, "do these stairs go up?" I've seen threads here with 200 posts that never got much above that level.

      On a side note, I've often wondered if the people who persist in posting the deflated "in Soviet Russia" have the same brain activation pattern of a dog urinating on a fire hydrant. Really, that meme has all the appeal of a eunuch's scrotum.

      It's pretty far fetched to claim the average poster here is engaged in a meaningful battle of wits, even from the safe refuge of mock sarcasm.

    7. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody on Slashdot has far less brain power then me.

      Me too.

    8. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everybody on Slashdot has far less brain power then me.

      I stopped reading here. The correct word is "than", dipshit.

    9. Re:Thank you for admiting it by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      I found your link more interesting than the actual article, thanks. If I had mod point's I'd give em to you.

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    10. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see memes like "in soviet russia" as a sort of social IQ test, people have to be smart enough to see the pattern and apply it properly in order to identify themselves as part of the group. Its the verbal equivalent of a secret handshake. And while I wouldn't say that makes the posters intelligent, the understanding of sarcasm and puns is a sign of intelligence, and the lack thereof a sign of dementia.

    11. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia, pattern has to be smart enough to see YOU!

    12. Re:Thank you for admiting it by dodobh · · Score: 1

      Brain the size of a planet, and I am stuck making comments on Slashdot.

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    13. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      The smartest guy on Slashdot misuses 'then' three times in his first paragraph.

    14. Re:Thank you for admiting it by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      You certainly aren't the smartest one, as I have noticed at least three grammar and spelling errors in your post.

    15. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      You, sir, our and idiot.

    16. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Thing+1 · · Score: 1

      Parr for the coarse...

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    17. Re:Thank you for admiting it by minorproblem · · Score: 1

      Obligatory Relevant xkcd http://xkcd.com/386/

    18. Re:Thank you for admiting it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Soviet Russia fire hydrant urinates on dog.

  38. Stay smarmy, slashdot by not+already+in+use · · Score: 3, Insightful
    FTS:

    the complete idiocy that intelligent, tech-savvy readers often have to deal with in their day-to-day lives

    It's these self-proclaimed intelligent, tech-savvy readers I find to be the biggest idiots of all. Clearly a smarmy, self-righteous bunch too.

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    1. Re:Stay smarmy, slashdot by Simon+Carr · · Score: 1

      Just came here to say this and it's worth repeating. Total agreement with [not already in use].

      The label "idiot" is something the tech/geek community seems to throw about liberally and it sort of makes me ashamed.

      I find a lot of people brand someone an "idiot" because they don't share the same obsessive attention to detail that they do to one particular subject, but then turn around and wonder why that person is a success at another endeavor.

      Just different strokes. Everyone can't be good at everything, and just because DudeFellaX is good at Perl, doesn't mean he knows sweet dick all about making money too like DudeFellaY might.

      From another view.. you, dear article submitter, could be the idiot.

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  39. Helps to not have had a journalspace.com account by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or a Berrnie Madoff account for that matter

  40. And a 1, and a 2... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some things in life are bad
    They can really make you mad
    Other things just make you swear and curse.
    When you're chewing on life's gristle
    Don't grumble, give a whistle
    And this'll help things turn out for the best...

            And...always look on the bright side of life...
            Always look on the light side of life...

    If life seems jolly rotten
    There's something you've forgotten
    And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
    When you're feeling in the dumps
    Don't be silly chumps
    Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

            And...always look on the bright side of life...
            Always look on the light side of life...

    For life is quite absurd
    And death's the final word
    You must always face the curtain with a bow.
    Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
    Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

            So always look on the bright side of death
            Just before you draw your terminal breath

    Life's a piece of shit
    When you look at it
    Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
    You'll see it's all a show
    Keep 'em laughing as you go
    Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

            And always look on the bright side of life...
            Always look on the right side of life...
            (Come on guys, cheer up!)
            Always look on the bright side of life...
            Always look on the bright side of life...
            (Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
            Always look on the bright side of life...
            (I mean - what have you got to lose?)
            (You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
            What have you lost? Nothing!)
            Always look on the right side of life...

  41. Or slightly rephrased by coryking · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They have trouble evaluating things that they are emotionally invested in (particularly things that affect them directly), but they do try on some level

    Simply replace the word "They" with "I".

    The dumbest, most miserable people on earth are those who cannot find fault in themselves.

    1. Re:Or slightly rephrased by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Before that anon did say "All people do what seems best from their perspective." So I do believe the next sentence was refering to himself as well although he should've wrote We have trouble evaluating things that we are emotionally invested in (particularly things that affect us directly), but we do try on some level.

  42. One previous strategy... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    Was to stack the questions to prefer those who make you look good.

    Of course, if you get caught then it might not look so great for you.

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  43. 'Progress' is in the eye of the beholder by ATKeiper · · Score: 1

    Mr. Masnick's techdirt post is a welcome call for calm and even optimism. It is a reminder of the importance of perspective, the sort of wisdom encapsulated in the expression "This, too, shall pass" -- that is, just as most joy and glory is transient, so will the troubles and woes of today eventually vanish.

    That said, his post is revealingly presumptuous. He writes about people trying to "hold back progress" and describes his frustration at not being able to convince them "of just what opportunities moving forward provides." But perhaps the reason he is so frustrated is that he misses a basic truth: that the people he describes aren't actually seeking to "hold back progress" -- they just have a different understanding of what is progress and what isn't, of what counts as "moving forward" and what doesn't. People do not agree on what is in the public interest; they do not agree about what is best for society, for the state, for the family.

    Persuading those who disagree with you is not always a matter of marshalling facts or, as Mr. Masnick puts it, "clearly paint[ing] a picture." Often the people who disagree with you already understand the facts full well and already see the picture clearly -- they just disagree about whether what you call progress is indeed progress. This disagreement might well be rooted in a vision of the future that is fundamentally in conflict with your own. (See, for example, Thomas Sowell's A Conflict of Visions and Yuval Levin's Imagining the Future .)

    This, incidentally, is why the book that Mr. Masnick approvingly cites, Robert Friedel's excellent A Culture of Improvement, deliberately eschews the term "progress". You might think human cloning or nuclear weapons or Windows Vista are all examples of unambiguous progress; your neighbor might well disagree.

  44. Maybe you could answer my question then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Heaven: FreeBSD, Linux or Vista? Wii or XBox360? Does god use emacs, vim?

    Maybe you could help us here on earth by answering these questions for once and for all.

    Thanks,

    guys on earth...

  45. The madboy approach. by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 1

    I simply vow constantly and loudly to one day rule this planet and wipe out a not-insignificant chunk of the population. (Namely, the stupid people.) Hey, a chaotic-neutral genius has to have goals.

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  46. hah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea... i used to work in groups on bullshit IT projects... we discussed and stuff...

    today i live from social wellfare and can finally program the stuff i like.. took me 40 years to find my life..

  47. Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read less Slashdot. Works for me.

  48. Smile and take their money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may be surrounded by idiot team leads, managers, directors, VPs, Presidents, etc. There are not enough hours in the day to deal with all of them, plus it's not good for your health.
    State the facts in writing, do not argue, do not blame. Forecast possible outcome of whatever it is
    your idiot is trying to (or not) to change. Archive your analysis in case you need it to CYA later w/ management or HR.
    If you are a consultant, you should only worry about your next assignment.
    If you are an employee, concentrate on advancing within the company, possibly in another group or division. If that idiot of yours was able to become a manager, why can't you?

  49. I never understood this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite it sometimes being oh-so-tempting, It seems to me that mocking people only increases the negativity around you. I can't stand when people I work around call paying customers "sucktomers" for example... talk about negative energy.

    If you seek true, long term peace with yourself, I advise you avoid people who mock others.

    1. Re:I never understood this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.

      I've tried to be more positive ever since I discovered that my attitude towards people I felt were dumber than me was turning me into one of the assholes I despised.

  50. try this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when the situation becomes idiotic, say to yourself, "people paid more money than me have made these decisions, they must know what they are doing" works in Government and private industry.

  51. You can care by coryking · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But I think the secret to "caring" is to pull yourself out of yourself, so to speak. Stop worrying about your existence and thing about how we as a society are evolving.

    You are but a small twig on a mighty river. You might be able to paddle around a little bit. You can always choose which twigs you want float next to. You can always choose how you want to react to wherever the river takes you. But ultimately, you cannot control the path the river takes through the universe.

    To put it more succinctly:

    Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

    1. Re:You can care by cjb658 · · Score: 1

      But I think the secret to "caring" is to pull yourself out of yourself, so to speak. Stop worrying about your existence and thing about how we as a society are evolving.

      Now that's something that will depress me!

    2. Re:You can care by m.precursor · · Score: 1

      I prefer: Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I cannot accept, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill today because they pissed me off. Also, help me to be careful of the toes I step on today, as they may be connected to the ass that I may have to kiss tomorrow.

    3. Re:You can care by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      But I think the secret to "caring" is to pull yourself out of yourself, so to speak. Stop worrying about your existence and thing about how we as a society are evolving.

      Did that, and I believe the words which come to mind are "evolutionary cul-de-sac"
      Every capacity to have colonized the entire solar system, wont EVER happen, why should it when we can fight over scraps and have penis contests here on earth.

      You are but a small twig on a mighty river. You might be able to paddle around a little bit.

      A mighty river indeed, class four rapids, heading, as these things naturally do, down hill.

      You can always choose which twigs you want float next to.

      Alrighty, i'd like to float next to oprah.

      You can always choose how you want to react to wherever the river takes you. But ultimately, you cannot control the path the river takes through the universe.

      How do you react when you smack head first into a rock someone else threw into the river?

      To put it more succinctly:

      Lord grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

      Politicians and special interest groups rob you of your liberties with impunity daily, and you should just accept it.. uhuh.

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  52. Being a life long practioner of Idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can in all honesty say

    a) if its not my job I dont care.
    b) if it is my job and Im beginning to care then its time to find another job.

    The technology may change but the only thing that stays consistantly stupid is people.

  53. Nonsense by coryking · · Score: 5, Funny

    I took freshman economics in college. I've studied differential equations (which those business weenies never had to). I've written in assembler. Economics *has* to be easy, those guys never had to study calculus based physics! Same with marketing--those guys never studied assembler like I did, so how hard could their profession be!? I mean, just show the clients a plain text file that highlights which features in our product are better, and which are not and let the client decide!

    Word to the wise, if your girlfriend or wife is a nurse and you claim that your engineering degree was harder then their nursing degree because they never took calculus, be prepared to spend the night on the couch. Just a tip.

    Still, my $TYPE engineering degree makes me more then qualified to do any profession. Why, with a few books from the library and maybe a couple Google searches I could probably give your friend that kidney transplant they need. How hard could it be anyway, those overpaid doctors never had to work with Laplace transforms!

    1. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      And in truth though it IS easier to get a econ or marketing or management degree. My fiew just finished her 3rd degree and all she has to say about the Business administration students....

      "Wow those people are stupid, I fell like I'm in kindergarden level classes"

      She has her CPA a masters in accounting and mathematics.

      after what she said, I now have zero respect for anyone with a Business degree. It's the classes for the 80IQ and lower crowd.

      and after being an It manager of a fortune 100 company, The marketing and other business related degree holders tend to actually be rather dumb.

      it's like a Liberal arts degree, it's something to make the special people feel accomplished.

    2. Re:Nonsense by GigaplexNZ · · Score: 1

      How hard could it be anyway, those overpaid doctors never had to work with Laplace transforms!

      They do have to deal with Fourier transforms however.

    3. Re:Nonsense by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, we all know Vets are smarter than people doctors -- after all, the dog can't tell the doctor where it hurts.

    4. Re:Nonsense by Dun+Malg · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Word to the wise, if your girlfriend or wife is a nurse and you claim that your engineering degree was harder then their nursing degree because they never took calculus, be prepared to spend the night on the couch. Just a tip.

      Still, my $TYPE engineering degree makes me more then qualified to do any profession. Why, with a few books from the library and maybe a couple Google searches I could probably give your friend that kidney transplant they need. How hard could it be anyway, those overpaid doctors never had to work with Laplace transforms!

      Well, there is something to what you say. Having worked both in an engineering capacity and as a skilled tradesman, I've noticed that there is a distinct difference between between the two. Doctors and nurses are skilled tradespeople, like highly trained auto mechanics. No one is ever going to ask a doctor to design a better human being, any more than anyone is going to ask an auto mechanic to design a better car. This is not to say that it's easy to be able to instantly recognize the symptoms of disease (x), or the bad interaction of drugs (y) and (z); just that it's not a particularly creative field of endeavor. Engineering and the hard sciences (including programming) are less about being able to instantly reference huge volumes of memorized information, and more about taking a small amount of basic knowledge and putting it together in new ways.

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    5. Re:Nonsense by The+Grim+Reefer2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, we all know Vets are smarter than people doctors -- after all, the dog can't tell the doctor where it hurts.

      Actually it's more than that. They also have to deal with the anatomy of more than just one species.

    6. Re:Nonsense by FredFredrickson · · Score: 1

      Engineering and the hard sciences (including programming) are less about being able to instantly reference huge volumes of memorized information, and more about taking a small amount of basic knowledge and putting it together in new ways.

      Well said! I could program my way out of any problem, but I can't even remember my own phone number! I'd make a horrible doctor for that reason.

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    7. Re:Nonsense by HungSoLow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'd argue that the mathematics is the easiest part of engineering. It's the problem solving that is most difficult - especially when confronting with an entirely new problem OR you're on the bleeding edge developement or research. I'd say mostly anyone can learn the mathematics given enough dedication - problem solving is something quite difficult to learn!

    8. Re:Nonsense by the_womble · · Score: 1

      If you think economics is easy try studying some econometrics (try reading Time Series Analysis, Hamilton, Princeton University Press).

      Financial economics theory uses lots of other maths including differential equations, statistics and probability etc.

      The Black-Scholes formula for option valuation was originally solved by transforming it into the same form as the heat equation. Closed form solutions in finance are usually non-trivial.

      The problem with business degrees is that they are so generalist that you study nothing in depth (I do have an MBA as well as an MSc in Financial Economics). That makes them less challenging, but nonetheless useful. How bright the other students are probably depends on where you study.

    9. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The skill a surgeon possesses is not the ability to do an operation/surgery once with textbook accuracy. They are trained to do it exactly right (no erasers allowed) the first time and every time. They are trained to tackle the complications that arise in surgery on their feet and to do it perfectly. They are not always perfect but that is the goal of their training.

      Science, math, computers, code, etc. take a removed approach to their problems. These fields have the benefit of time and patience to solve the problem. The training involved is different and the approach to find solutions is different. The idiocy is not seeing the difference. P.S. I'm an CS/ME/EE engineer.

    10. Re:Nonsense by jd142 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It all depends on what level of the profession you are at. There are plenty of doctors out there testing, theorizing, and working towards better treatments and prevention of all kinds of illnesses and injuries. That takes creativity. Some of them are designing better human beings through gene therapy, prosthetics, new surgical techniques and so on.

      Sure a lot of them are doing routine work with nothing more exotic than poison oak, but there are lots of engineers in the same situation.

    11. Re:Nonsense by balloonhead · · Score: 1

      Why, with a few books from the library and maybe a couple Google searches I could probably give your friend that kidney transplant they need. How hard could it be anyway, those overpaid doctors never had to work with Laplace transforms!

      I am an underpaid doctor (not yet finished specialty training). Imagine how pissed off I was when I started having to learn all that shit about the law of Laplace (Young-Laplace equation to you engineering types). And the Hagen-Poiseuille equation. Fortunately after my last round of exams I can now forget it entirely, though often I lie awake at night worrying about my patients' bad outcomes because I never worked out the viscosity.

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    12. Re:Nonsense by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      It all depends on what level of the profession you are at. There are plenty of doctors out there testing, theorizing, and working towards better treatments and prevention of all kinds of illnesses and injuries. That takes creativity. Some of them are designing better human beings through gene therapy, prosthetics, new surgical techniques and so on.

      Sure a lot of them are doing routine work with nothing more exotic than poison oak, but there are lots of engineers in the same situation.

      I would argue that the doctors you describe fall under the heading of "scientist". The vast majority of doctors walking the halls of hospitals do not fall in that category. I maintain that even the most junior engineer designing a headlight bezel for GM is working in a more creative capacity than any of the doctors at (say) the Kaiser-Permanente urgent care who spend all day mis-prescribing antibiotics.

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    13. Re:Nonsense by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      You don't make much of a point there. The vast majority of people in IT or engineering don't fall under the category of creative or extremely bright either.

      "I maintain that even the most junior engineer designing a headlight bezel for GM is working in a more creative capacity than any of the doctors at (say) the Kaiser-Permanente urgent care who spend all day mis-prescribing antibiotics."

      Horse... crap.

    14. Re:Nonsense by no1home · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the medical issues the vets have succeeded in handling before the human docs get it solved. Ulcers come to mind: vets give bismuth and antibiotics to our furry friends to solve that issue. I don't know when they started that, but they've been doing it since I was a kid (40 now). It's only been in the last few years that some human doctors have figured this out... after I used the vets' technique to fix my own ulcers (gone now for over a decade). (Bismuth is a primary ingredient in Pepto-Bismol.)

      On the other hand, I've noticed that many doctors these days must be as smart as the vets. They don't seem to feel the need to listen to the patients either.

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    15. Re:Nonsense by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      True, but they don't tend to get sued every time a patient dies.

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    16. Re:Nonsense by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      your girlfriend or wife

      What the hell?! This is Slashdot; no one has a girlfriend or wife here!

    17. Re:Nonsense by syousef · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Still, my $TYPE engineering degree makes me more then qualified to do any profession. Why, with a few books from the library and maybe a couple Google searches I could probably give your friend that kidney transplant they need. How hard could it be anyway, those overpaid doctors never had to work with Laplace transforms!

      I sincerely hope you're joking, otherwise your engineering degree makes you nothing more than an educated idiot.

      Most professions aren't just about acquiring knowledge. They're also about applying that knowledge. That application takes practice. In your example, a surgeon would be taught how to make incisions, keep the area clean, avoid damaging major organs etc. A medical procedures textbook assumes a lot of knowledge has already been acquired in medical school and won't walk you through these critical things. What's more a surgeon trains with other surgeons and gets taught how to do things one piece at a time with oversight. Eventually they get good. In the meantime there's someone there to do the trickier parts of the op and take over if required. You're not just going to blunder your way into doing it based on a google searches and library books. I wouldn't want to be your first patient. You might get good after a few months or years, after killing a few dozen (or hundred) people.

      I've never understood how intelligent people could make such faulty assumptions about the application of specialized knowledge. You remind me of a fruit loop on a flight simulation news group who insisted that because he could program a flight computer, that he'd be able to put down a major airliner if the pilots were incapacitated. Perhaps he'd succeed, and perhaps he wouldn't but I wouldn't want to be on that flight.

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    18. Re:Nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sincerely hope you're joking

      You don't think the style gives that away?

    19. Re:Nonsense by spiralpath · · Score: 1

      I have a girlfriend or wife.

    20. Re:Nonsense by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      That's either a lie, or you're deluding yourself. :)

    21. Re:Nonsense by ckaminski · · Score: 1

      A surgeon and a GP/Internist are not the same thing.

    22. Re:Nonsense by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Well, we all know Vets are smarter than people doctors -- after all, the dog can't tell the doctor where it hurts.

      Actually it's more than that. They also have to deal with the anatomy of more than just one species.

      So zoophiles must be smart as fuck.

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    23. Re:Nonsense by Hellkitten · · Score: 1

      I had a girfriend.
      Then she turned into a wife.
      Then she turned into an alien bent on destroying me.

      The trick is to freeze the process before the first or second transformation. Maybe I'll get it right next time.

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    24. Re:Nonsense by Marcos+Eliziario · · Score: 1

      80 % of all professional programmers never exercise some kind of real creativity.
      15 % of them do, but we'd better they didn't.
      The remaing 5% are highly creatively, unfortunately, 20% of their time is spent figuring out the mess of cut and paste left by the said non-creative 80%, 79% is spent cleaning the mess and crying over the shit created by "too-much-creative-but-clueless-for-mankind-sake" types, and our whole society as we know it owe all our progress in software to the 1% percent of time left available to those 5% of creative programmers.

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    25. Re:Nonsense by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If you think doctors just have to have good memories, you aren't so much talking as drooling out of your arse.

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  54. Why People Dislike Nerds by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

    I agree. When I read

    how hard it is sometimes to stay upbeat when faced with some of the complete idiocy that intelligent, tech-savvy readers often have to deal with in their day-to-day lives

    in the summary, my first thought was

    In related news, 12-year-old boys think they are so mature for their age; suburban, upper-middle-class emo kids think no one understands their pain; and high school girls think their poetry is amazing.

  55. only an idiot would say that by coryking · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you really were the Smartest Poster On Slashdot, you'd be smart enough to know that in fact I was actually the Smartest Poster On Slashdot. Only I am smart enough to know that I am the Smartest Poster On Slashdot.

    1. Re:only an idiot would say that by an+unsound+mind · · Score: 1

      Nay.

      You're merely not smart enough to realize I am the Smartest Poster On Slashdot.

    2. Re:only an idiot would say that by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Will the real smartest person on Slashdot please stand up?

    3. Re:only an idiot would say that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The smartest person on Slashdot immediately left long ago and never looked back.

    4. Re:only an idiot would say that by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      No, I'm Bruce Perens.

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    5. Re:only an idiot would say that by TheTurtlesMoves · · Score: 1

      Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

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    6. Re:only an idiot would say that by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I'm Spartacus.

      No, only joking. He's Spartacus.

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    7. Re:only an idiot would say that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The smartest person on Slashdot immediately left long ago and never looked back.

      So...he's not you.

      Shit, I just eliminated myself too.

  56. Smug Sense of Superiority... by geoffrobinson · · Score: 1

    culminating in a thread on slashdot.

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  57. Change is good by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Times like these are not fun, but they wash away complacency and often are the trigger of a great deal of restructuring and innovation.

  58. Two Words : Dark Ages by tjstork · · Score: 1

    There's been plenty of times in human history where civilization reaches a certain peak and then backslides.

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  59. seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While the frustration will probably never go away, nor will the news calling attention to it, it does seem that opening people's eyes to problems helps things move in the right direction, so keep it up.

    What is this, some sort of doublespeak?

    The reason the frustration never goes away is because the cause of the frustration doesn't, either. Why? Because while it might momentarily seem to help, any help is temporary and meaningless. It's temporary, in that they forget or willfully do the same thing again, and meaningless, because the technology keeps changing (meaning the fringe few who actually try not to be idiots actually lose their functional knowledge due to the upgrades).

    Computers should have one button, and they should turn the damn machines off.

  60. My sig... by tubeguy · · Score: 1

    ...nuff said.

  61. And... How's that working out? by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Christianity is doing wonders in Africa at changing the hearts of millions and bringing them to a point where they can build peaceful, stable societies.

    Last I heard, Africa's not the greatest place to be.

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    1. Re:And... How's that working out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great. I was in Kenya and Rwanda six months ago.

    2. Re:And... How's that working out? by symbolset · · Score: 1

      Great. I was in Kenya and Rwanda six months ago.

      And the Christians had banished disease, starvation and anarchy? I had not heard. Please share.

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  62. To defeat despair by symbolset · · Score: 1

    Laugh at it.

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  63. Nurses are a paranoid bunch by coryking · · Score: 1

    But I think for the right reasons. They are all about standing up for their patients, regardless of the background or circumstance.

    The reason I think most of them hate all this new IT is because so little of it works right. Systems go down. System A doesn't talk with System B so the doctor can't get the charts from the nurse or the lab, etc...

    While I'm no support guy for the nursing crowd, having lived with a nurse, I might suggest the best way to frame arguments against installing "BouncyMouse.exe" are in terms of "well, that application might infect the computer and violate the patients privacy". Pretty much every nurse I've met is a die-hard privacy nut, so this might be the best line of "user training". If they object, point out how pissed they'd be if the hospital installed keyboard sniffers to see how much they work... point out that these viruses would be pretty much doing the same thing (not really, but the details don't matter so much.. bottom line is either one is a privacy violation that can steal patient information). Do realize though that they probably view your IT policies as a violation of their own rights (even if it isn't).

    But seriously, if there ever was an industry in need of good usability professionals, it is heathcare!

  64. When the going gets idiodic... by tubeguy · · Score: 1

    ...the idiots go pro.

  65. Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by daigu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Try reading The Long Emergency or Kunstler's blog. While he's a little doom and gloom, the basic fact that we aren't living sustainably, and when the oil gets more scarce or environment starts getting all up in it, there's going to be a lag before any major energy change or sustainability movement is going to kick in - and it is likely going to require a significant reduction of the human population.

    So, make sure you have some basic tools on hand and have done what you can to prepare. The next few decades are going to be interesting.

    1. Re:Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People have been saying that since the beginning of time. Nearly every major religion is based around that general theme. It's total bunk, complete and utter shit.

    2. Re:Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by daigu · · Score: 1

      Your argument is bad. The fact that "[p]eople have been saying that since the beginning of time" is irrelevant.

      The relevent facts are that, unlike the beginning of time until the 1850s when fossil fuels started to be used, we now live in a society predicated on fossil fuels. Fossil fuel resources are declining and will soon be very expensive. Everything in the food chain that relies on fossil fuels from fertilizers to the trucking to the keeping the freezers cold will be impacted. And have you considered what will happen when you can no longer get your food trucked in from thousands of miles away? Have you considered what would happen to the other billions of people on the planet who have no local agriculture or markets for their agricultural products? Not to mention every other sector of the economy. Or what would happen to your house if you weren't able to keep the inside above freezing? So forth and so on.

      Of course not. You too busy trying to be fucking upbeat about it and telling yourself that some unspecified energy technology and energy infrastructure is going to come online and save you and your lifestyle.

      You'd do well to re-read the fable of the ant and the grasshopper because winter's upon us, my friend.

    3. Re:Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      And there have been famines, disasters, wars, and persecutions since the beginning of time. Predicting the apocalypse isn't a bad gig; they come around regularly.

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    4. Re:Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      OH NO I'M SO FUCKING SCARED!!!

      The relevent facts are that, unlike the beginning of time until the 1850s when fossil fuels started to be used, we now live in a society predicated on fossil fuels. Fossil fuel resources are declining and will soon be very expensive.

      They've always been declining, and yet at the same time we have centuries of reserve.

      Everything in the food chain that relies on fossil fuels from fertilizers to the trucking to the keeping the freezers cold will be impacted.

      You have an extremely different definition of the word "food chain" than any biologist I've ever heard.

      And have you considered what will happen when you can no longer get your food trucked in from thousands of miles away?

      Sure I have; but what's the point since that's not going to happen? Have you ever considered what will happen with 40 foot tall chimps from the year 2640 appear in your swimming pool and drink it up? For the record, though, I do live in a low population area with great farmland that could easily be self-sufficient if it had to, not that that matters.

      Of course not. You too busy trying to be fucking upbeat about it and telling yourself that some unspecified energy technology and energy infrastructure is going to come online and save you and your lifestyle.

      It may, it may not. If it doesn't, that's because *it doesn't have to*. We're sitting on something like a 500 year reserve of oil right now.

      Seriously, what do you get out of believing this crap? With Christians, at least the end of the world is attached to the faithful going to heaven, but what's in it for you? Do you get some kind of thrill scaring people with bullshit? Do you have some survivalist fantasy where, if the world did go to shit, you'd become Mad Max if only you got the chance?

      Seriously, man. That speech you just gave? Let's mentally go back in history and give it to someone who lived in, say... 1920. Did it come true? No. 1880... true? No. etc etc.

      You're no different than the crazy guy on the sidewalk with his "Repent!" sign, except that you have a laptop.

    5. Re:Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by daigu · · Score: 1

      They've always been declining, and yet at the same time we have centuries of reserve.

      The first sentence is true. The second sentence is false. Take a look at the oil depletion on Wikipedia for a starting point. Here's the key:

      The American Petroleum Institute estimated in 1999 the world's oil supply would be depleted between 2062 and 2094, assuming total world oil reserves at between 1.4 and 2 trillion barrels and consumption at 80 million barrels per day.[4] In 2004, total world reserves were estimated to be 1.25 trillion barrels and daily consumption was about 85 million barrels, shifting the estimated oil depletion year to 2057.

      And that's total depletion. Want to consider what happens on the downward side? Take a look at oil consumption patters in the United States after 1970s for a clue.

      You have an extremely different definition of the word "food chain" than any biologist I've ever heard.

      Food supply chain. The fact that you never heard a biologist say it and what I meant is obvious from the context, this comment is simply asshatry on your part.

      Sure I have; but what's the point since that's not going to happen?

      It is going to happen. The question is when. It is obvious from the American Petroleum Institute figures and thinking about where the top of the production curve is going to happen that it's not far off.

      Seriously, what do you get out of believing this crap?

      What do you get out of ignoring inconvenient facts?

    6. Re:Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      It is going to happen. The question is when. It is obvious from the American Petroleum Institute figures and thinking about where the top of the production curve is going to happen that it's not far off.

      No, it's not going to happen because we'll see it coming and do something about it, like we have for everything ever.

      Answer the question: what do *you* get out of it? Do you get some kind of thrill telling people they're all going to die in the next 20 years? Do you fantasize about being the Mad Max character? What's your angle on it all? That's what I'm curious about.

    7. Re:Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by daigu · · Score: 1

      No, it's not going to happen because we'll see it coming and do something about it, like we have for everything ever.

      Who, now, has an irrational belief? We do see it coming. I've explained the relevant facts to you, but instead of offering some kind of argument why these issues are not a concern, you resort to using the magic wand and the idea that humanity has seen everything coming, ever. Interesting.

      Like you, I was unaware of these problems until recently. When someone explained it to me, I couldn't reject it for any rational reason. It seems like a sound argument. If you were able to provide some reason, not to be concerned, I'd go with that - but I'm not going with the magic wand argument that we'd know it was coming and do something about it. That doesn't match up with my empirical observations about how the world works.

      The only thing I get out of it is that I might be slightly more prepared for these problems. I don't think it is a trivial thing to be more prepared, and I'd like other people to take precautions, if we do, then perhaps it might be a little less bad that it might otherwise be, or it might help in actualizing your argument - which is increase awareness to the point where we, collectively, do something about it. But, I don't have much hope that will be the case because of attitudes like yours - that people don't want to face the difficult facts that confront them until it is too late to do anything about it. Part of the problem is that it may very well be too late, right now.

    8. Re:Maybe being upbeat is the idocy... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      The only thing I get out of it is that I might be slightly more prepared for these problems. I don't think it is a trivial thing to be more prepared, and I'd like other people to take precautions, if we do, then perhaps it might be a little less bad that it might otherwise be, or it might help in actualizing your argument - which is increase awareness to the point where we, collectively, do something about it.

      Nah, I don't think that's it. I'm going with the Mad Max thing.

      But, I don't have much hope that will be the case because of attitudes like yours

      People who live in reality instead of fantasy-land?

      Part of the problem is that it may very well be too late, right now.

      In that case, I still have the right attitude because I'm not wasting my life worrying.

      When's your shift on the street corner with the "Repent! The End Is Near!" sign? Noon to 4:00?

  66. Serious answer. Cut the judgemental attitude. by eh2o · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Calling people "Idiots" is 1) not helpful for others and 2) only encourages aggravation in yourself. Its counterproductive in every way. Selfishness and altruism are both fine qualities, they can co-exist, and will get you far in life. Being a zealot won't get you anything.

    People are naive, stubborn, uneducated and manipulated. But all of those are qualities that can be changed--they are not idiots.

    1. Re:Serious answer. Cut the judgemental attitude. by ^_^x · · Score: 1

      Very well put.
      I do IT support in a college these days, so to put it in perspective, when someone misses what seems like basic tech knowlege, I think
      a) What do they NEED to know about computers in their job?
      b) What do I know about THEIR job? Could I be a psychologist, nurse, heavy equipment technician, chemist, etc with my current knowledge? Then why should I expect them to know how to do my job?

      Sometimes my clients will tell me that they appreciate how I'm very patient and methodical with them - I just explain that everyone can't know everything. People who close their brains and think "no! I don't know computers!" no matter what you tell them annoy me, but if you can assess what someone knows, then explain the basics and work your way up, it's often pretty effective.

    2. Re:Serious answer. Cut the judgemental attitude. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Incorrect.

      there is a time and place to call someone an idiot. If they are chasing a rabbit down a hole.. I.E. that CTO that demands that all Linux be eradicated from the company no matter the cost... That mans needs to be called an idiot to his face.

      A car driver that kills a motorcyclist from careless driving, that is a high caliber idiot that deserves it to be tattooed on their forhead for all to see.

      Idiot has it's place, and those that do not use it when it's needed.... They're idiots.

      Problem is, it seems that Most of us in IT were 100% correct in calling all upper management idiots. The current economic collapse of companies is our proof.

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    3. Re:Serious answer. Cut the judgemental attitude. by russotto · · Score: 1

      What do I know about THEIR job? Could I be a psychologist, nurse, heavy equipment technician, chemist, etc with my current knowledge? Then why should I expect them to know how to do my job?

      When a plumber goes out to the same house, same people, to fix the same problem with the same simple cause and way of avoiding it (e.g. draining the outside faucet in the winter) that he informed them of the previous three times, he probably thinks of them as idiots. Similarly, when an IT person has to fix the same problem, caused by the same person, which cause he has explained three times to that person, he probably thinks of that person as an idiot. Neither of them is wrong. You don't have to be an expert to pay attention to expert advice, especially after having found out the hard way that not doing so results in problems.

    4. Re:Serious answer. Cut the judgemental attitude. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      People are naive, stubborn, uneducated and manipulated. But all of those are qualities that can be changed--they are not idiots.

      The brain-washed can not be changed. Any attempt to do so results in more vehement defense of those who manipulated and miseducated their naive selves.

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  67. Nothing new here, move along. by ExtremePhobia · · Score: 1

    So basically what they are saying is that the incumbent is evil. You realize that even 3rd world countries, tribes in Africa, hell even just monkeys are trying to "improve their lot" and trying to find new ideas. I'm sorry but I'm not impressed in anyway. I feel like this book is an appeal to everything American (We're ingenious! Incumbency sucks!)

    When you find evidence that we're moving towards being a culture based PURELY on ideas and learning, I'll be impressed but saying that we innovate is like saying that people learn... wow, really?

  68. i play vidoegams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the Nintendo Ds have cool graphics. Between the N64 to DreamCast. In numbers the N64 in some features is more powerful than the Nintendo DS, but the Nintendo Ds dont need a lot of resources like the N64 to do cool games.

    The Nintendo DS have two proccesor, one runs at 67MHZ, the other one run at 33MHZ. The N64 proceesor runs at 97mhz. All N64 developers of game use the n64 proccesor like a 32 bit processor. The Nintendo Ds have two processor of 32-bit each one. I mean that the N64 processor is faster, but the DS processors can do some processes that the n64 can't. Also the graphics of the n64 games have a resolution of 640x480px. The nintendo Ds games have a resolution of 256x192(less than the half)m that's mean that the Nintendo DS can do more with less.

    The Ds have two screens, a 2D engine for each screen. This use of two 2D engine for each screen makes more efficent and easier the manage of graphics in the DS. Also, the DS have a 3d engine, only can be used in a screen, could be the touch screen or the other.The 3d engine can produce 122880 triangules per second at 60 frames per second(2048 per frame).

    Now what about if the games runs at 30 frames per second? I think the triangules would be the double(245760). I dont know if the DS can do this feature. Also, I have saw videos of FF: Revavent Wings for DS, the background is 3d but the characters are 2d, I don't know if a 2d engine and 3d engine can work both on the same screen.

    Something that I know and I tried to explain in this note is that the Nintendo DS is more powerful than the n64.

    1. Re:i play vidoegams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      640x480px. The nintendo Ds games have a resolution of 256x192(less than the half)

      640 * 480 = 307,200 VERSUS 256 * 192 = 49,152

      So it is less than one-sixth the real estate, making your point stronger.

      [We just ordered 4 more DS games [Big Brain Academy, Brain Challenge, Super Collapse 3 and one other] for our kids, and the wife is talking pretty seriously about us getting a third DS for her]

  69. You must be very smart. by coryking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Surely since you are an IT professional, you can talk to me about the advances in GPUs. Which shader programming language is the best?

    I bet you love when people ask you, "The computer guy" what you think about some computer topic you know nothing about. Obviously since you know about computers, you can help them install the game their kid downloaded for their RAZR, right?

    You know what I hate more then what you hate? When people try to pretend they know about my profession more then I do. People who know just enough buzzwords of whatever I do that they have fooled themselves into thinking they know stuff I dont. And I dont know much, trust me.

    But I dont really hate those kind of people. I just pity those people and hope someday they learn that they dont know nearly as much as they think they do.

    I dont know a fucking thing about how to design an embedded software application, but I'm a computer guy. I dont know how to program for mainframes, but I'm a computer guy. I dont know (but I'm trying to learn) graphics programming, but I'm a computer guy. Should I, a "computer guy" know about all these topics in great detail?

    The world is a big place. Maybe being a "metal guy" means more then just knowing about whatever steel type you read in a magazine? Maybe being an English teacher means knowing more then just "basic grammar rules" you read on "grammar-nazi.com". Maybe being a nurse means a fucking bit more then just knowing details about medications (hint, that is the doctors job, not the nurse, but obviously you know more about nursing then a nurse, so you knew that, right?). Maybe being a doctor means knowing more then just modern smoking complications?

    The world is a big place. Bigger, maybe, then you can comprehend. It pays to be humble. Being a wise-ass know-it-all will just get you nowhere in life.

    1. Re:You must be very smart. by Klootzak · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I dont know a fucking thing about how to design an embedded software application, but I'm a computer guy. I dont know how to program for mainframes, but I'm a computer guy. I dont know (but I'm trying to learn) graphics programming, but I'm a computer guy. Should I, a "computer guy" know about all these topics in great detail?

      From your website, it seems that you're a Digital Photography/Multimedia/Web guy. To those outside your field, they may refer to you as a "Computer Guy" because you work with Computers? To correct the confusion (if it annoys you)... why not simply tell them what you are?

      I DO know how to design an embedded software application, and how to program for (a few types of) mainframes, and (some) graphics programming... however most people I meet think I'm a Barrista and/or Chef, and that's fine too, I don't get upset about it... that's just something else I do, and I'm happy for people to think that.

      Being a wise-ass know-it-all will just get you nowhere in life.

      Generally it means that people who need your knowledge and wise-ass-ness will ask for it, or appreciate you offering your assistance when required. There's a difference between saying "I'm the Smartest Person on Slashdot" and saying "This is what I think" or "This is how that (whatever thing) works".

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    2. Re:You must be very smart. by coryking · · Score: 1

      I am a computer guy, and the website is something I've created (perl + postgresql + freebsd = awesome). I have no problem with people calling me a computer guy :-) I've tried to hang my hat on other titles, but dammit, I'm a very good programmer and I can't fight that skill no matter how much it bugs me.

      My comments here might make me sound further tilted toward "never annoyed", but in many respects I somewhat sympathies with the parent. For some reason I get annoyed with people who aren't the least bit curious about large construction projects or critical functions in their city (say, the steam plant). But honestly, I think I just prefer to hang out with geeky people who like discussing geeky things.

      Very complex stuff :-)

    3. Re:You must be very smart. by bdh · · Score: 1

      I dont know a fucking thing about how to design an embedded software application, but I'm a computer guy.

      I understand your point. I do know how to design an embedded software app, and how to program mainframes, because I've spent years doing both in the past. But by the same token, I know very little about web design, or object oriented databases. I certainly know less about Java than any recent graduates. Being in a profession does not make you a master of all aspects of it.

      Maybe being a nurse means a fucking bit more then just knowing details about medications (hint, that is the doctors job, not the nurse)

      My mom's a nurse, and the RNs routinely catch doctors, especially the younger doctors, tripping up medications. Nurses cannot prescribe meds, but they administer them. YMMV based on state/country laws, of course. Of course, there are doctors that do incandescent when a nurse points out to him that he's prescribed something lethal, and there are doctors who thank the nurse profusely for catching their mistake. Guess which doctors the nurses prefer, and go out of their way to help.

      That brings up another point. Job stress tends to be self reinforcing. People that are stressed out are often highly unpleasant to work with (to be polite about it), so other people don't go out of their way to make life easier for them. They won't try to make it harder, but they don't give the benefit of the doubt. That, in turn, leads to more stress, because they have to do everything on their own, since no one really wants to work with them.

      When the T&V or QA guys find a problem in my code, I usually get a call from them before they start writing up the paperwork. Sometimes they made a mistake in their test, sometimes it's a fuzzy requirement, and sometimes it's a bug in my code. We talk about it, and usually we figure out what it is together. If we agree it's a bug of mine, I start looking into it before they've offically written it up, so I often have a fix ready by the time the paperwork hits my desk informing me of it. Therefore, I tend to make my deadlines. I also get assigned very few unreproducable bugs.

      Another coder I know utterly detests T&V people ("they're morons; the only reason anyone would be a tester is because they aren't smart enough to be a developer"), and treats them with complete contempt. And so when T&V finds a problem in the code from this developer (who I have no qualms about saying is stronger technically than I am), nobody calls him, because he's so unpleasant to deal with. Whether it's a requirement issue, a testing problem, or a real bug, they always submit it as a bug. He gets no warning ahead of time, and unlike me, a lot of the bug reports that are submitted against him really are not his bugs.

      As a result, it reinforces his opinion that the T&V people are morons, and that he's the only one in the company who has a clue. And, of course, the fact that he is a stronger developer than many of the rest of us, combined with the fact that he gets more false positives, just proves to him that the world is out to get him. It's a vicious circle.

    4. Re:You must be very smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please learn the difference between "then" and "than". Hint: It looks like every time you said "then" you should have said "than". Another hint: What follows "then" usually answers the question "when". Easy to remember: Th_e_n - Wh_e_n.

    5. Re:You must be very smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It pays to be humble. Being a wise-ass know-it-all will just get you nowhere in life.

      This is absolutely true. So what was the point of the rest of your wise-ass reply?

      Maybe when the nurse told him "vitamins are bad for you", that's not just because she didn't know "details about medications", that's because he actually ran into a crackpot nurse who thought that vitamins are bad for you. Maybe being an English teacher means knowing more about basic grammar rules, but also includes knowing basic grammar rules. Maybe being a doctor means knowing more than just modern smoking complications, but "smoking is a common way of shortening your expected lifespan" should be something that every person knows by now, none the less every doctor.

      Maybe when he said "irritate", he really only meant "irritate", and "hate" is just a straw man you invented to pontificate about.

      Maybe you should practice this humility stuff a little more.

    6. Re:You must be very smart. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      I agree, he completely ignored the scale demonstrated in the examples from the OP and then went crazy with the strawmen.
      No way that should be rewarded with a 5.

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    7. Re:You must be very smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what I hate more then what you hate?

      That's the same mistake, 2 times in a row. You must be new here.

    8. Re:You must be very smart. by gnud · · Score: 1

      Yes, being a metal guy means that you classify grunting swedes as music (regardless of that swedes gender).

    9. Re:You must be very smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck me, an intelligent comment. Well done, Sir

    10. Re:You must be very smart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spelling classes, take them

    11. Re:You must be very smart. by vitaflo · · Score: 1

      "I dont know a fucking thing about how to design an embedded software application, but I'm a computer guy. I dont know how to program for mainframes, but I'm a computer guy. I dont know (but I'm trying to learn) graphics programming, but I'm a computer guy. Should I, a "computer guy" know about all these topics in great detail?"

      As I tell people when they ask me these same "computer guy" questions: It's like asking a proctologist to do brain surgery. The ones who say they can do it probably have their head up their ass.

    12. Re:You must be very smart. by CAIMLAS · · Score: 1

      I bet you love when people ask you, "The computer guy" what you think about some computer topic you know nothing about. Obviously since you know about computers, you can help them install the game their kid downloaded for their RAZR, right?

      Here's the difference: I'd at least be interested in said topics, whereas often, people will be pretty much uninterested in discussing their trade. There's no pride in it, or its associated knowledge.

      Also, IT is a bit wider and deeper a topic than, say, automotive mechanics - especially when said mechanic is specialized, and you're asking about the specialty. So asking a muffler specialist about mufflers would be like asking a database administrator about table joins. And so on.

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    13. Re:You must be very smart. by minorproblem · · Score: 1

      "The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge"

    14. Re:You must be very smart. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 2, Funny

      I bet you love when people ask you, "The computer guy" what you think about some computer topic you know nothing about. Obviously since you know about computers, you can help them install the game their kid downloaded for their RAZR, right?

      Yes. I've never even seen a RAZR, but I know for certain that I could figure out how to install said game.

      That's one thing that annoys a lot of us "computer guys". It's not that people don't know something. It's that people don't even try to figure out things they don't know on their own before asking stupid questions. If they come to me for help with installing a program on their computer I gladly help and show them how it's done. When they come to me a second time for help on installing a different program on their computer, I wonder why the hell they didn't think of trying the same pattern I showed them the last time. Find the setup.exe, and click "next" when told to. It's the same goddamn process, try it before assuming it's too complicated.

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    15. Re:You must be very smart. by dctoastman · · Score: 1

      You've seen a RAZR.

      The RAZR is a slim Motorola flip phone ridiculously popular 3 - 4 years ago for being really expensive but now is ridiculously popular for being ridiculously cheap.

      And that's one thing that annoys software developers like me. It's not that "computer guys" don't know anything, it's that they assume they know more than what they do and make unreasonable assumptions about what to do before they even make the most cursory attempt at information gathering.

    16. Re:You must be very smart. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      You've seen a RAZR

      And that's one thing that annoys software developers like me. It's not that "computer guys" don't know anything, it's that they assume they know more than what they do and make unreasonable assumptions about what to do before they even make the most cursory attempt at information gathering.

      You're not much better. You make ridiculous assumptions when you hear/read something that has two possible meanings.

      I never said I didn't know what a RAZR was. I said I've never seen one in the sense of touching / messing with it / having installed something on it. I honestly have no idea what the interface of the thing looks like, I don't go around looking at my friend's phones. I don't even know what phones they have, one of them might have a razr.

      Still, even though I don't know how to install a game on the thing, I'm pretty sure that if it has games to be installed, I could either figure it out by messing with the interface, or perform a google search and figure it out. That's what I do with things I don't know how to do all the fucking time, and things get accomplished without me bothering somebody else.

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    17. Re:You must be very smart. by dctoastman · · Score: 1

      You said you've never seen one. Not all that. And you have obviously had little to no idea since you assumed there would be a setup.exe type thing. You accuse me of making all these assumptions when I did nothing but take your statements at face value.

      Not to mention, being a cell phone, most apps probably are java midlets and are purchased directly from the cell carrier or simply copied over using the appropriate data cable and management software (usually included with the phone).

      Anyway, the point was you demonstrated the very worst attitudes of "computer people", condemning those with supposedly less knowledge than yourself while at the same time showing a significant lack of knowledge yourself. Odds are you are either in college and do "computer work" for friends and family because you play a lot of PC games or you have some tech desk level of job.

      Do everyone a favor and lose the attitude.

    18. Re:You must be very smart. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      And you have obviously had little to no idea since you assumed there would be a setup.exe type thing.

      Oh my god, you are retarded.

      I'm not sure how you passed your high school's reading comprehension section in your exit exam, or assuming you didn't, how you got a software developer job without even a high school diploma, but let me break it all down for you:

      "I have never seen one" is much more likely to mean, "have never physically seen one" than it is to mean "I have no idea what it is." In fact, if you tell me that you have seen the space shuttle, and then later tell me that you meant that you saw it on tv, and not actually in real life, you're a fucking moron. Oh wait, we already know that you are.

      Second, the post was divided into two parts. Part a...I could figure out how to install stuff even without having any experience with the device in question. Part b, people are unwilling to use their previously acquired experience to help them figure out new experiences.

      In other words, there were two separate, unrelated, examples in that post and the only thing in common between them is that the word "install" was used in both.

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    19. Re:You must be very smart. by dctoastman · · Score: 1

      Personal attacks aside. I was just saying that you probably had seen one, even if you didn't realize it. Your original post gave the impression that you had little clue as to what a RAZR was. I then pointed out how your ego and bad attitude is what causes the stereotypes of malcontent IT types to persist when the actual professionals in the field are nothing like you.

      Sorry for doubting your obviously huge penis and apparent maturity. Have fun on the job search. Although I feel that most companies will probably not recognize your obvious talents and amazing acumen regarding other people.

    20. Re:You must be very smart. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      Personal attacks aside. I was just saying that you probably had seen one, even if you didn't realize it.

      If you want to rewrite history, whatever. Your original post didn't say "you probably saw one, but didn't realize it." It criticized my "attempt at information gathering" and "unreasonable assumptions." My reply to that was entirely civil...all I said that wasn't an explanation of what I thought you misunderstood was that you made some ridiculous assumptions yourself while criticizing me for making them. You can't exactly claim to be offended for hearing the same words right back at you.

      Your reply to that was some weird insult that I demonstrate "the worst stereotypes in computer people" and used as evidence another complete misunderstanding of what I was trying to say. I got frustrated and mouthed off when your entire argument was based on misunderstanding every single point I tried to make. I know I'm no novelist, but I've never been so incapable of expressing my thoughts using the English language before in my life. For whatever it's worth, I'm sorry. If you actually have any interest, here's my attempt at a better worded post to convey my original meaning. If you're not interested, you can stop reading right now.

      I don't think that people who aren't computer professionals should have a high-level knowledge of computers. I don't get angry when they are ignorant of the subject. As I've said in my original post, I'll gladly (and I used that word) help them the first time they come to me with a problem. At that point, I don't just do it for them, I try to show them how to do it, and I ask them if they have any questions.

      I do get annoyed when, after having explained the process for completing a task, people come to me for help for the same task, or an extremely similar task, without performing any attempt to solve the problem on their own first. I don't mind helping them at all if they've first tried it on their own, even if it's the exact same task. If somebody comes to me and says, "I know you showed me how to do this, but I really can't remember this step" I can understand that. My memory isn't perfect either. I want the effort from them first, however. That's the only way they're going to learn.

      Here's how the razr comes in. I know it's a phone, I know it doesn't have a setup.exe file to install stuff. You're right that I have absolutely no idea about anything else related to it. However, based on being "a computer guy" I know perfectly well that my previous experience with a variety of other gadgets will allow me to, after playing with the thing for half an hour, figure out how to install something that was obviously meant for an end-user to install. That was a great example of triggers impatience in computer people like me as opposed to others. When I don't know how to do something, I'm not afraid to try to figure it all out using the knowledge that I do have, or try to find via tools I also have (like google).

      And that's the important part. I'm not saying I'm smarter than anybody else. If I thought that, I wouldn't be allowed to be pissed off at them, I'd just be using a skill they don't have. I'm saying they are just as capable of figuring it out as I am. Installing an end-user application/game on a phone that doesn't involve doing weird stuff like unlocking it is something that was meant for the end-user to figure out. There are instructions. There are things to click at. I know I can do it. I know they can do it. And when they come to me for help, I want to teach them how to figure that type of stuff on their own, so that they no longer need to be dependent on people like me. It annoys the crap out of me when they don't want to: when they want to be dependent on me, because it's easier than learning how to operate their own computers / phones / vcr's.

      Sorry for doubting your obviously huge penis and apparent maturity. Have fun on the job search. Althoug

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    21. Re:You must be very smart. by dctoastman · · Score: 1

      You seem very hung up on this RAZR thing. When I said "I was just blah blah", I was referring to the RAZR obviously. Mainly because you seem to think this is about whether or not you know about the thing rather than your bad attitude.

      Because that is what this is about. Your attitude. Your first post was highly combative and dismissive of the parent posted for not wanting to be roped into playing phone tech support for his family, friends, and their immediate circle. Your first reply to me was more of the same with the added civility of profanity. There is an attempt to rewrite history here, but it isn't by me.

    22. Re:You must be very smart. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      Your first post was highly combative and dismissive of the parent posted for not wanting to be roped into playing phone tech support for his family, friends, and their immediate circle.

      What exactly about my original post was combative? And what about the parent I replied to was about not wanting to play tech support for his family.

      Your first reply to me was more of the same with the added civility of profanity.

      My first reply to you was absolutely devoid of any profanity (unless you consider "ridiculous" to be profanity, and that would be ridiculous. It also added no additional tones to your own, unless you consider replacing the word "unreasonable" with "ridiculous" to be more combative than what you sent me.

      My second reply to you was a result of frustration, and I did apologize for that. However, you really do have issues with reading comprehension. The parent I was replying to was not saying anything about trying to not be roped into tech support to his family (and I wasnÂt at all combative against him). The post I replied to (which did include profanity, not that I care) was making the point that when somebody in a field about computers doesn't know something about another field about computers, they should just accept they don't know anything about it, and an outsider shouldn't think he is a moron because of it. Read the parent of his post.

      Basically, you misinterpreted all my posts, you misinterpreted the post I was replying to...and you apparently got offended by a supposed "combative tone" because I threw back at you the same words you threw at me. I know you have to be trolling for my responses, but by this point I'm actually having fun with this.

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    23. Re:You must be very smart. by dctoastman · · Score: 1

      You basically dog out the guy for saying that he doesn't want to be a cell phone help desk. You then proceed to complain about stupid questions, use profanity (goddamn), and start in with excessive emphasis to hammer a point. That's combative.

      And "fucking" is considered profanity by most everybody, including the people who use it. Although I find it funny that you link the post to prove that you didn't use profanity when it's right there in that final sentence.

    24. Re:You must be very smart. by TrekkieGod · · Score: 1

      And "fucking" is considered profanity by most everybody, including the people who use it. Although I find it funny that you link the post to prove that you didn't use profanity when it's right there in that final sentence.

      Fair enough, I completely fucking missed that.

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  70. Did someone just say Microsoft? by SlashOtter · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Did someone say Microsoft?

  71. Re: Boot to the head! by PCeye · · Score: 1

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Y6231uAmo&NR=1

    (No, Rickrolling)

    Read Coryking's post in "Ed Gruberman's" voice...then give him a "Boot to the head"!

  72. spam? huh? by coryking · · Score: 1

    who? what? huh? I'm a bit confused here.

  73. Better Living Through Chemistry by russotto · · Score: 1, Informative

    Prozac

    Cymbalta

    Wellbutrin

    And if those don't cut it, there's always Heroin or even LSD.

    If reality sucks, you shouldn't be upbeat. Unless you decouple your mood from reality, or your entire mind.

  74. Eventually, that will get flushed out by coryking · · Score: 1

    100 years from now, you will not be able to make a living as an anonymous coward suggesting that. However, "Then is When" has worked fairly successfully for me.

  75. Maybe not ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    Incumbent short-sighted players have been able to hinder and harm progress, but they can't keep it down completely. That culture of improvement can't be stopped entirely.

    But it can certainly be slowed to the point where it might as well be stopped. Critical mass must be maintained, or the entire economic engine will slow to a crawl.

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    The higher the technology, the sharper that two-edged sword.
  76. This is very simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Don't be an elitist idiot.

    1. Re:This is very simple by wampus · · Score: 1

      Are you sure? My undeserved sense of smug superiority helps me cope with being trapped with all these idiots.

  77. Maybe I'm Inferior to You by Comatose51 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One habit I've taken up is to always remember all the times I've screwed up and done something idiotic. I also try to remember how graceful people have been about those occasions. That's not to say that I'm always all forgiving -- I've been known to go unhinged on programmers who don't bother testing their code at least once. Still, when someone screws up and if their intention is benign, I recall similar situations I've been in and it makes it easier to say "No worries". Some of you might have never been in a situation where you were the idiot but I'm thankful that I'm been the idiot a few times at least.

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  78. I wait for idiotic stories like this one... by Trip6 · · Score: 1

    .....keeps me upbeat, knowing that I didn't post it.

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  79. most interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This has been the most interesting thread on /. i have seen in the last 3 yrs of reading it.
    lurker b

  80. Easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I just stopped reading any of the commentary on Slashdot. That took care of a huge chunk of my daily idiocy.

  81. Open Challenge to Geeks by RobertLTux · · Score: 1

    I will give you 14 8.5 X 11 pages to use

    On these pages you will put the maximum amount of computer knowledge (must be readable without use of a magnifier by somebody with normal vision).

    how much can you do WITH PICTURES INCLUDED

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  82. After the Christians killed them all? by copponex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Even some atheists have admitted that Christianity is doing wonders in Africa at changing the hearts of millions and bringing them to a point where they can build peaceful, stable societies.

    Yes... this is like saying, "Those gosh darned natives, after a hundred years of starvation, murder, torture, and succumbing to European diseases, have finally decided to give Jesus a chance."

    Christianity was the excuse used to destroy the perfectly civilized tribes of Africa in order to give the Church and the King the right to plunder their natural wealth, as they did in the Americas, and everywhere else their foul hands touched. It would have happened anyway, but the Church and colonialism are like bread and butter. Perhaps you are just finally giving all the money back that you stole from Africa. It's too bad there's so much corruption in the churches and governments now that it doesn't reach the people who need it.

    Aww heck, just ignore these details. Go back to using God's word to divide the country and give political power to the Republicans who can't stand you, or Sarah Palin. Go back to pretending that the bible doesn't say that your own wealth will nearly guarantee that you won't enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Go back to the church where you sit in an air conditioned auditorium for a whole hour once a week with people who think exactly as you do, and pretend you're a spiritual being who's really involved in the "community."

    Christ almighty, indeed.

  83. don't label me as a computer people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not the computer, this pseudo typing has got me pisssed offf man..

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    thanks!

  84. Do what now? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    Okay...

    Do what now?

  85. BEST SOLUTION EVER: by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    Embrace the idiots, for they are easy to influence and blind in their following.
    Behind every evil genius stands an army of idiots. (You can quote me on this one :)

    Why should a good genius not have an army of idiots too?
    Get yourself a book on mass psychology, another one on neuro-linguistic programming, and become really good at the psychology of emotions. A rhetorics book can broaden your target group.

    I personally prefer an underwater lair under a volcano, the male idiots out there, and the female idiots in my bed. (We germans have a saying: "Dumm fickt gut". "Stupid fucks good" :)

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  86. ja by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 2, Funny

    je bent een echte klootzak

    1. Re:ja by Klootzak · · Score: 2, Funny

      LOL, waarom denk je dat?

      Ik ben een leuk Mannen, echte! :)

      (Sorry, mijn Nederlands is nou slecht - haven't used it much recently).

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    2. Re:ja by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      LOL, waarom denk je dat?

      LOL, why do you think that?

      Ik ben een leuk[e] Mannen [should be singular], echte [should be "echt"; "echte" can only be used as an adjective]! :)

      I'm a fun Men, real! :)

    3. Re:ja by Klootzak · · Score: 1

      Oops... that was meant to be "I'm a nice Man, Really! :)"
      As I said though, I haven't used my Dutch in quite awhile now, and was only semi-fluent at my best.
      Ben jij een Nederlander? Belgie?

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    4. Re:ja by BenoitRen · · Score: 1

      Ik ben een belg.

  87. "Life's what you make it" - Amy Diamond by Baldur_of_Asgard · · Score: 1

    Mama said, don't be afraid
    Go out there and find your way
    Take what you get and make the best of it
    That's the secret

    Papa told me, you live you learn
    You play with fire, you might get burned
    But what doesn't break you only makes you strong
    That's the secret

    So live every moment like it's your last
    You wanna never say never
    You walk through the wilderness with a laugh
    A smile makes everything better

    Life's what you make it
    Life's what you make it

    Go ahead, spread your wings
    But don't forget the little things
    Cause happiness is where you look for it
    That's the secret

    Hit or miss, that's what it is
    Grab the fun and run with it
    Don't blow them golden opportunities
    That's the secret

    So live every moment like it's your last
    You wanna never say never
    You walk through the wilderness with a laugh
    A smile makes everything better

    Life's what you make it
    Life's what you make it

    Gotta roll with the punches
    Follow all your hunches
    Go for what you know is right

    The world is for your taking
    You make your own breaks and
    Baby that's a given gift

    What you make it
    Life's what you make it

    So live every moment like it's your last
    You wanna never say never
    You walk through the wilderness with a laugh
    A smile makes everything better

    Life's what you make it
    Life's what you make it

    - lyrics to "Life's what you make it", Amy Diamond.

  88. FYI: for engineers by Baldur_of_Asgard · · Score: 1

    Parent post is a good one, but just to inform the engineers on this board . . . plenty of people think you're pretty stupid. As tradesmen would say, "book smart" but not practical.

    As it happens, I can stroke your ego a bit and say that on average engineers are a good deal smarter than the average tradesman - but the religious belief in the stupidity of engineers is not entirely without merit. Frequently engineers may know how things physically work, but are not familiar with things beyond their narrow specialty - so, for example, a civil engineer may not realize that their perfect design has just violated the fire code, the building code, and the electrical code. Naturally, this can delay things and cause accusations of stupidity all around.

    That said, I am heartened by the general tone of the conversation here, and the realization that all of us are idiots to some degree. I would only add that average news reporters, psychologists, and sociologists really are a bit more idiotic than the rest of us. Oh, and a recent survey in the U.S. found that U.S. lawmakers are significantly below average (for the entire population) in their understanding of the law.

    1. Re:FYI: for engineers by bdh · · Score: 1

      Frequently engineers may know how things physically work, but are not familiar with things beyond their narrow specialty

      That reminds me a of classic line from a frustrated contract lawyer I once worked with:

      "I don't care how smart our engineers are. No customer is going to accept a contract only using mathematical equations, Venn diagrams, and anime and Star Trek references!"

  89. I think of the paycheck by mario_grgic · · Score: 1

    and comfort myself with the thoughts like "it's ok, I'm getting paid for this" or "If everyone knew everything I'd be out of job".

    Of course if I don't think I'm fairly compensated or even paid at all I get pissed off quite fast :D.

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  90. Re:ahem. by s0l1dsnak3123 · · Score: 1

    mmmm electrolytes.

    On a side note, I swear the title said "How Do You Stay Upbeat Amidst the Idiocky?".

  91. Not quite... by mario_grgic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    medical profession does require memorization of a large amount of raw data, but it's the synthesis of that base knowledge that makes you a doctor.

    Unlike mathematics and it's branches like CS or physics, you can not derive how a human being works from some raw initial data (like you can derive a theory from axioms). Hence in math you just memorize the initial axioms and nerves of proofs of important theorems and go from there. If you are good at it you can get by with just that. If you are not so good you memorize more of the key points of the proofs.

    In medicine you actually don't have axioms just raw data and very few theories on how things should work. So you must memorize that data.

    But as a practicing doctor your daily life depends on the synthesis of that data. You must derive conclusions from much larger base of knowledge and be good at recognizing patterns.

    Usually several hundred ailments have similar symptoms. So the first step is always to make a differential diagnosis listing all possible things that might have those symptoms and then sorting the list by likelihood, and then you start eliminating the problems one by one by doing diagnostic tests and routing patients further to people who specialize in particular areas.

    Needless to say mistakes can be costly both in terms of patients well being if you do not consider something in your differential diagnosis or economically if you suspect something whose elimination requires an expensive diagnostic test or invasive for the patient.

    So I guess all I'm saying is that oversimplification of professions like that is never going to lead to reliable conclusions.

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    1. Re:Not quite... by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1, Troll

      In medicine you actually don't have axioms just raw data and very few theories on how things should work. So you must memorize that data.

      But as a practicing doctor your daily life depends on the synthesis of that data. You must derive conclusions from much larger base of knowledge and be good at recognizing patterns.

      None of that is creative work, just the ability to internally cross reference huge quantities of subtly different data in one's head. For some reason the US has elevated doctors to some sort of demi-god status, when in reality the profession is simply that of biological mechanic.

      Usually several hundred ailments have similar symptoms. So the first step is always to make a differential diagnosis listing all possible things that might have those symptoms and then sorting the list by likelihood, and then you start eliminating the problems one by one by doing diagnostic tests and routing patients further to people who specialize in particular areas.

      That's precisely the same thing an auto mechanic does, only with cars instead of people.

      Needless to say mistakes can be costly both in terms of patients well being if you do not consider something in your differential diagnosis or economically if you suspect something whose elimination requires an expensive diagnostic test or invasive for the patient.

      This only demonstrates that the difference between being an auto mechanic and a doctor is the degree of seriousness of the consequences of failure. I never said being a doctor was easy and care-free, only that it's a job that depends more on the ability to be a walking encyclopedia than a creative thinker.

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    2. Re:Not quite... by zacronos · · Score: 1

      Drat. I clicked the wrong moderation. Replying to revert it.

    3. Re:Not quite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the first step is always to make a differential diagnosis listing all possible things that might have those symptoms and then sorting the list by likelihood, and then you start eliminating the problems one by one by doing diagnostic tests and routing patients further to people who specialize in particular areas.

      I can write a shell script that does that - it's still not creative. And software-aided diagnosis is becoming more prevalent, for that reason.

      That said, there's a hell of a lot of creative work where unknown principles are involved, in medical research.

    4. Re:Not quite... by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

      Unlike mathematics and it's branches like CS or physics, you can not derive how a human being works from some raw initial data (like you can derive a theory from axioms).

      wait a second, isn't this EXACTLY the process medical researchers have been using to derive how a human being works?

      dissection, x-rays, MRI using various dyes.. sure they're diagnosis tools but they're also research tools.

      Don't even mention genetics, oncology, and immunology.

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  92. agreed - about anger and STFU/RTFM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but what's pissing you off so much...
    Oh ok! I didnt read ALL the comments... never mind.

    Fwiw, many on Slashdot expect even newbies to be at very high proficiency levels in Linux.
    That's counterproductive.
    For example, if someone had actually answered my questions without STFU and RTFM, I'd be telling everyone I know to install Linux.
    Nowadays, I just mind my own business and answer if people ask me for help.
    That too, after telling them to join IRC and get answers from there first, because I still dont know some elementary things, which, if I ask, back to STFU/RTFM.

    Really, if there's one place that needs training in manners, it is us, slashdot posters.
    Every once in a while I suspect that the maximum negative comments come from Microsoft loyals or paid Microserfs.

    A point worth discussing IM-H-O :-P

  93. Desiderata by MrKaos · · Score: 2, Insightful
    After 25 years of IT, I still feel like I know nothing, I try to read and learn everything, one day I might know something. I find this helps.

    Desiderata

    Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love, for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.
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  94. People Make Mistakes... by reallocate · · Score: 1

    ... even techies.

    The bias of tech is that all problems can be solved. When the poblems involve people, and some of those people don't like the proposed solution, it's easy, and simplistic, to start nattering about the "complete idiocy that intelligent, tech-savvy readers often have to deal with....". (Arrogant, too.)

     

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  95. How would it be otherwise? by totierne · · Score: 1

    I only really started making the mistakes 'real' people do when I had to do things fast - moved from taking an hour to grok what was required to having something demoable in 15 minutes - or talk back in 20 seconds.

    So people do not make the mistakes you do given 3 years degree + x years on the job, or who have not coded in 5 years, how would it be otherwise?

    The person who never made a mistake never made anything.

  96. Car analogy by The+name+is+Dave.+Ja · · Score: 1

    That's precisely the same thing an auto mechanic does, only with cars instead of people.

    Important difference: the doctor has to do everything while the car is still running.

    1. Re:Car analogy by winwar · · Score: 1

      "...the doctor has to do everything while the car is still running."

      No they don't. You can stop the heart and replace it, for instance. You can put them to sleep and then do lots of interesting things...

      The practice of medicine can be largely duplicated by a flowchart. It is essentially a skilled trade. Of course, in a skilled trade there is still a large difference in abilities.

  97. Rather, by hey! · · Score: 1

    think about the edge of the box. That is where progress happens. An athlete or scholar does not increase the range of his abilities by doing what is easy for him, nor what is impossible. It is the edge of impossibility where we become our best.

    With respect to other ays of thinking, you are entirely on target. You can't wish for everyone to think as you do, without making the way you think ... conventional. This is really the box-edge theory applied to human relations. There is no stretch in working exclusively with people like you. There is no point in trying to find validity in the perspectives of fascism or racism. But where you can manage to accommodate a different viewpoint, you've stretched your mind that much more.

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  98. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  99. Well sai...I am guilty! by gbutler69 · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, far too many people take an attitude of "if you don't know what I know, you're an idiot". I know quite a number of people who are constantly stressed out, because they expect anyone and everyone to be fully up to speed on everything that they are interested in. Engineers seem to be particularly susceptible to this, because unlike writers, musicians, or artists, we deal with deterministic systems. We design, build, and fix things so that they are reliably predictable. But people aren't reliably predictable, and expecting them to be is going to stress you out.

    I am always stressed-out when people in my profession can't seem to grasp what I consider the most basic of concepts and ideas. I don't really think they are an "idiot" pe se, I just can't fathom how they are in this profession (software development) and yet can't seem to grasp new ideas or thought processes. Now, I don't expect people in other professions to "get" software design and development ideas, but, I do expect people in the profession to do so. When they don't, I get REALLY, REALLY stressed out!

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  100. I guess that depends by coryking · · Score: 1

    Though I'm not 100% in agreement, I'll make a couple more arguments in your favor.

    1) Vets also have a different set of budget constraints. My cat doesn't have a $2 million dollar insurance policy.
    2) Vets have to take on a different role. They have to play "animal advocate" and drill some sense into people who bought animals they had no business buying.
    3) It is socially acceptable to not do everything in our power to save fluffy. Sometimes the best, most humane option is merely to put the poor critter down.

    I don't know what this means, but I do know psychologically I'd have a harder time dealing with the bullshit people put their animals through then dealing with what people put kids through. I suspect veterinarians have to develop quite a wall to cope with the shit they deal with.

    As to which is smarter. I guess ultimately it depends. Veterinarians cannot specialize in a branch of medicine the way a doctor can. Sure there are probably vets who are really good at "fixing problem X on animal Y", but they are still expected to "fix problem Z on animal A" too. A doctor can specialize in a way where they could remove a tumor in your brain, but probably could never resuscitate you after a heart attack in an ER.

  101. vet vs people doctor by bartyboy · · Score: 1

    I'll take people doctors, please. I don't buy the idea of euthanasia being a cure for a broken leg.

  102. ion.SIMIAN.c = the ultimate dumbass, lol! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ion.SIMIAN.c = the ultimate dumbass, lol!

  103. Money by phorm · · Score: 1

    I've heard that in Canada, vets can make more money as well, as there are less restrictions on them than on human doctors (which are funded under gov't medicare).

    I actually have a few friends which work as vets or vet assistants. The job tends to mix the borders between "oooh, cute and cuddly fuzzies" with "oooo, fluid-leaking ripped-up and mangled barely-alive animal."

    A friend of mine recently saved a small rodent from heart failure, so they really do work will animals of all types, sizes, and shapes as well. However there are often "specialist" vets that deal primarily with large animals/livestock, etc, too. It's always seemed like an interesting career path to me.

  104. Rice Christians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those who "convert" in response to that kind of pressure are called rice christians, because they are "Christian" as long as the benefits (rice or whatever) keep coming. I daresay no missionary wants to produce rice christians. I was a missionary for several years, I worked with about a dozen other m's, and I knew several score more. We all tried very hard to avoid associating our largesse with conversion. We provided medical care, micro-loans, education, agricultural development, professional training, youth sports, lots of benefits, none of which were contingent on anyone converting. And so most of our beneficiaries, and many of the local people we hired or knew, were all non-Christians till (and including) the day they died. What made us happy was when someone did decide to convert, despite the fact that it didn't bring them any tangible benefit and in fact usually caused friction with the rest of the family and society.

    The problem you speak of has been a major problem in the past, but the missions profession has changed a lot in the past fifty years, we are now well aware of the problem, and it's becoming a thing of the past. It's hard to stamp out entirely; but nobody wants to generate rice christians because we want to see people saved (according to our own calculus), and a false conversion isn't (to us) salvation.

  105. Punctuation by phorm · · Score: 1

    Yes, seems he's missing a comma after power...

  106. Monastic Societies by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

    The idiots breed, consume, and slaughter one another. When enough of them die off, those who quietly waited out the storm of stupidity can emerge and help rebuild the world. Sadly, as history points out, the idiots rise again. Wash Rinse Repeat.

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  107. How I cope: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing matters very much and few things matter at all.