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Lexus To Start Spamming Car Buyers In Their Cars

techmuse writes "Lexus has announced plans to send targeted messages to buyers of its cars based on the buyer's zip code and vehicle type. Unlike regular spam, these messages will be delivered directly to the buyer's vehicle, and will play to the vehicle's occupants as audio. Lexus has promised to make the messages relevant to the car buyers." Imagine the fun that some targeted malware could do — not that such a thing could happen to a Lexus.

317 comments

  1. Amazing by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm stunned that Lexus just made me appreciate my crappy Neon.

    1. Re:Amazing by Kjuib · · Score: 5, Funny

      If the lexus buyers are compensating for something... what sort of spam do you think would be relevant?

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    2. Re:Amazing by iminplaya · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hair transplants?

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    3. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad you didn't read the article, huh?

    4. Re:Amazing by Atario · · Score: 1

      That's a good point...this might be worth it just to hear a V1A@R4 spam read by the silky-smooth voiceover guy who does the Lexus ads.

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    5. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attention. We will be awaiting the restart of civilization due to a shortage of Lemon Soaked Paper Napkins. Please remain in your seats as you are served a light snack.

    6. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe ads for Acura, or Infiniti? :D

    7. Re:Amazing by mooltar · · Score: 3, Funny

      *open lexus door*

      "HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead."
      "HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead."
      "HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead."
      "HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead."
      "HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead."
      "HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead."
      "HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead."
      ...

    8. Re:Amazing by cayenne8 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "If the lexus buyers are compensating for something..."

      You know...I"ve just never understood this 'critisizm' people try to heap onto people that buy nice luxury or high end sports cars. I mean, sure I guess in some remote cases it is true, but, I have to believe the majority of people do it because they WANT a nice luxury car, they WANT to drive a perrformance car (my category)...and they can afford said 'toys'. Sure a Yugo will get you from point A to point B....but, IMHO, it just won't make the trip as nice, or do it as fast as a good car.

      I guess I've just always chalked it up to people that are jealous of people who have extra money to burn, and like the finer things in life. Not everyone feels the need to make everything in live 'utility'...or 'just get by'.

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    9. Re:Amazing by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      One thing missing from the article...what mechanism is going to be used for this?

      I'm guessing it is something like "OnStar"? I'd hope even if you for some reason GOT one of these units...you could opt out of said messages.

      After hearing this...and hearing about how they can 'bug' your car with OnStar...and I'm sure can easily track you with these systems...why anyone would actually pay extra money for this type of crappy system?!?!

      No thank you...leave this 'option' off for me please.

      ON the other hand..think of the fun people will have when they can hack into this system..and send some really fun messages!!

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    10. Re:Amazing by Tuidjy · · Score: 2, Funny

      I can see the point when one is talking about SUVs... I disagree, but I can see how one could make an argument: people who need neither the carrying nor towing capacity of a large SUV are compensating for their physical shortcomings, and want to appear tough and intimidating.

      As for sports cars... you are of course, absolutely right. If only because I have one or two myself. ("One or two", because my Supra was rear-ended and total'd by a police officer talking on his cellphone)

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    11. Re:Amazing by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      "HeadOn! Apply directly to the forehead."

      That'd work so much better than just the usual "ding ding ding" to let you know you left the lights on/keys in the ignition/fly open/whatever else.

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    12. Re:Amazing by CheshireDragon · · Score: 1

      Just made me appreciate my Altima Hybrid more too.

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    13. Re:Amazing by oldspewey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      my Supra was rear-ended and total'd by a police officer talking on his cellphone

      Did he write himself up a ticket for careless driving, or did he have to call for backup to do that?

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    14. Re:Amazing by calmofthestorm · · Score: 1

      Someone's compensating for his compensation...

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    15. Re:Amazing by plover · · Score: 5, Funny

      As for sports cars... you are of course, absolutely right.

      Reminds me of a riddle:

      Q: What's the difference between a Porsche and a porcupine?
      A: With a porcupine, the prick is on the outside.

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    16. Re:Amazing by kklein · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, that's why. I drive a silly little car, but when I see a fancy car, I appreciate them. Making up a bunch of silliness about why they have one is just envy I think.

      People spend their money on the things they like. When people from my job come to my apartment and see that everything is networked and computerized, they say "my god, how much more do you make than me???" But we all make the same (same contract), and that's just where my values are. They go on 2-month sojourns through the windswept mountains of Kafoonistan; I stream movies from the office to the TV. Mine is still way cheaper, and I enjoy it every day of the year.

      But that's values. There's just no reason to criticize other people's "fun."

    17. Re:Amazing by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Modded "Funny" - I would say insightful.

      And what will spamming the driver achieve aside from raising the temper of the driver.

      We don't need more aggressive drivers in the traffic.

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    18. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      maybe someone is truly compensating, but as a person that makes 200km+ per week on motorways, I need a comfortable car, safe at motorway velocity. Driving on a motorway with a smart would be a nightmare, specially during winter.

    19. Re:Amazing by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You know...I"ve just never understood this 'critisizm' people try to heap onto people that buy nice luxury or high end sports cars.

      Speaking of someone with a great deal of automotive experience, all I can say is that people who buy a Lexus are big dumbfucks anyway. A Lexus is a COMPLETE PIECE OF SHIT. We had a Lexus come in to the shop with a bad ball joint, turns out you have to replace the whole upper A-arm. And Toyotas handle like dogshit compared to Hondas (Acuras) or Nissans (Infinitis) anyway. But the simple truth is that any Lexus, Acura, or Infiniti is just a Toyota, Honda, or Nissan (respectively) with different styling and more asphalt. They are a little quieter and have a little smoother ride, but that is strictly because they have more mass in between you and the road, which costs you fuel.

      The problem is compounded by the difficulty of actually finding a car worth buying today. Mercedes vehicles have gone right in the toilet in the last few years; they join BMW, which has been there for some time. It's gotten to the point where a VW can actually be more reliable than either one - provided it was made at the plant in Wolfsberg, and not Mexico.

      If you want a quality luxury car, buy a W126-bodied Mercedes and put a modern stereo system in it. The only other thing it's missing will be cupholders. You can get some nice one that will match the interior if you look around the 'net a bit.

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    20. Re:Amazing by methuselah · · Score: 0

      People who make such criticisms of people that buy nice things such as a car are compensating for that the fact that they are pettt jealous losers ;)

    21. Re:Amazing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      After hearing this...and hearing about how they can 'bug' your car with OnStar...and I'm sure can easily track you with these systems...why anyone would actually pay extra money for this type of crappy system?!?!

      If I were some old fart who never did anything nefarious, I would definitely get OnStar. If you black out and hit a tree and become unable to call for help (maybe your car is twisted up around you and your phone is sitting down in the footwell, for example) then OnStar is going to save your sorry ass.

      For the rest of us, the only real option is to create collectives to do this sort of thing. Various companies (including GoPass, which made my super-shitty sirf star III based bluetooth GPS) make cellphone/GPS units which are designed to be mounted in a car. They have their own batteries and some have audio communications support including bugging mode (where you call in and it autoanswers and lets you snoop.) You could implement OnStar and LoJack yourself using this type of system, but you need someone to monitor it. Perhaps groups of five to ten people could band together, and the system could page/call some/all of them at once/in sequence to let them know when you are in trouble; a lower-priority signal could request that someone near a phone and a computer call you and assist you finding something.

      Actually, this is about my best idea evar. Anyone out there want to get together and start one of these?

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    22. Re:Amazing by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I guess I've just always chalked it up to people that are jealous of people who have extra money to burn, and like the finer things in life.

      As a rule, people don't mind richer people spending money on fine food and wine (or rare first editions, or whatever) because it's a private thing.
      But going out on public roads in a ridiculously overpriced car (not talking about Lexuses here) is seen as just flaunting your wealth, and therefore vulgar.
      So people respond with jokes about the car owners' tiny useless cocks, because in the UK at least we hate vulgarity.

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    23. Re:Amazing by dargaud · · Score: 1

      While I agree with what you wrote, in the case of cars you have to add the 'annoyance factor' of making said cars flashy (bright red), with dangerous shapes (raised wheel) or noisy (the asshole going 'vroom! vroom!' at the light). _I_ and many others have to deal with them every time we are on a road; that's what's annoying, not just being jealous. It's the same as the iPhone, while I appreciate the technology that goes into them and hope that it trickles down someday, it doesn't mean I want one.

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    24. Re:Amazing by Wicked+Zen · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sure a Yugo will get you from point A to point B....

      I find your optimism refreshing!

    25. Re:Amazing by sunderland56 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But the simple truth is that any Lexus, Acura, or Infiniti is just a Toyota, Honda, or Nissan (respectively) with different styling

      Actually, they are just the same car with a different badge. If you travel to Tokyo, you won't find a single Lexus, Acura, or Infiniti - they are all badged as Toyota/Honda/Nissans. These "upmarket" brands were created solely for the US market.

      In Canada it's even worse - the highest trim level of the Honda Civic (badged the EX in the USA) is badged as an Acura.

    26. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P***s enlargements?

    27. Re:Amazing by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I guess I've just always chalked it up to people that are jealous of people who have extra money to burn, and like the finer things in life. Not everyone feels the need to make everything in live 'utility'...or 'just get by'.

      True, some people get 700 billion government bailout to use for getting those finer things. The rest got the bill for that and try to get buy. Is it really so difficult to understand why the people in the latter category might feel something less than transcended love for those in the former ?

      Not everyone who's wealthy or well-off is an utter asshole, it's simply that enough of them are that the rest get painted by the same brush. It's the same as with lawyers or politicians.

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    28. Re:Amazing by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

      Similar joke:

      Q: What's the difference between a Hoover and a Harley?

      A: The position of the dirt bag.

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    29. Re:Amazing by Stiletto · · Score: 2, Informative

      "dangerous shapes?" Are you kidding? The only people you have to worry about on your commute to work are people who drive dangerously. And these folks can be found in both $1000 pickup trucks and $100,000 Porsches. While the color red may annoy you it's not going to leap through your windshield. Get a grip!

    30. Re:Amazing by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Muffler extensions.

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    31. Re:Amazing by ShannaraFan · · Score: 1

      I drive an SUV, a 10-year-old Explorer that I paid $2000 for. Before that, I drove a 13-year old Explorer that I paid $1800 for. They hardly qualify as luxury vehicles. I bought them for two simple reasons - they're easy to work on/maintain, and they're capable (and fun) in the snow. I don't consider them intimidating. Tough? Maybe, I do tend to abuse them, hauling all sorts of crap (stuffed 20 bags of mulch into one over the summer) and they never complain, does that make them tough?

      I have a strong dislike of the "luxury" SUV's, the Escalades, Yukons, etc. They seem to always be driven by women, you always see them trying to back into a parking space while talking on the phone, and they never, ever haul anything but kids and groceries. I see them as nothing more than a status thing, but it's their money, they can spend it however they want.

    32. Re:Amazing by Dragoness+Eclectic · · Score: 1

      I owned a Ford Explorer until I drove it into the ground (my vehicles tend to give out around the 250,000 mile mark). I won't buy one again; it's not a quality vehicle. The chassis is an up-scaled car chassis, as is the transmission, not a truck chassis or transmission--and they don't hold up to doing truck-like duty for 100,000+ miles. You wind up replacing the transmission every 100,000 miles or so.

      I am not impressed by Ford vehicles in general. Fix Or Repair Daily.

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    33. Re:Amazing by ShannaraFan · · Score: 1

      > The chassis is an up-scaled car chassis

      Ummm, no, the Explorer (at least the ones I've owned) sits on a twin I-beam frame/suspension, the same one used on the Ford Rangers. The Ford ESCAPE sits on a car chassis, but not the Explorer. As for mileage, my current one has 187,000 miles on it, runs like a top, uses no oil, no leaks of any kind. I've driven this one for almost 2 years, and aside from changing the oil and putting in gas, I've had to do nothing to it. The previous one had 208,000 miles. It blew a head gasket one hot summer afternoon, and I couldn't justify the time or expense to fix it.

    34. Re:Amazing by dargaud · · Score: 1

      When I look in my rearview mirror and all I can see is a front bumper, it means that the corresponding raised pickup should NOT be allowed on the road or he'll decapitate me when he checks his cell phone. YOU get a grip !

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    35. Re:Amazing by _xeno_ · · Score: 1

      In Canada it's even worse - the highest trim level of the Honda Civic (badged the EX in the USA) is badged as an Acura.

      It's the Si in the US. The EX just adds features to the LX that the Canadian LX apparently already has. (According to the Wikipedia - I think, the article is kind of unclear.)

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    36. Re:Amazing by Laurence0 · · Score: 1

      I always heard that one as about BMW drivers, and from the ones I've seen on the road, that's much more accurate!

    37. Re:Amazing by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      We had a Lexus come in to the shop with a bad ball joint, turns out you have to replace the whole upper A-arm.

      You couldn't press out the old ball joint and replace it? That's the way it is in most cars, I believe.

    38. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I tip my server, it'll just fall over.

    39. Re:Amazing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You couldn't press out the old ball joint and replace it? That's the way it is in most cars, I believe.

      In most cars, ball joints are extracted with a separator and retained with a nut, or as you say, pressed in. In this case, the A-arm was actually stamped/crimped onto the ball joint and removal is impossible. I forget what model, maybe an IS300 or something. It was a while ago. I know it had double wishbone front :)

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    40. Re:Amazing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you use that word toilet, i'm not sure you know what it means. as a techy who drives a BMW coupe, i can tell you it's an awesome car.

  2. Lexus has promised to make the messages relevant by qoncept · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Lexus has promised to make the messages relevant to the car buyers.

    Genius. Because who is more likely to be ready to buy a new car than someone that just bought a brand new one.

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  3. Stupid by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

    They claim it won't be used to bombard customers with ads...yah right. If the capability exists, it will eventually be used for advertising.

    So now, I get to spend a huge premium so I can have a car with the Lexus name, thereby making all the other suburbanites jealous, and on top of it I get "targeted" advertisements. I'll think about getting a car that spews ads at me if and only if you give me the car for free.

    On the other hand, if you subscribe to the prevailing theory as to why people buy a Lexus in the first place, all of the "targeted" ads will be for Viagra.

    1. Re:Stupid by JustinOpinion · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed.

      The system will be optional (not sure if that means opt-in or opt-out, though). But who would actually want this kind of thing? At best, the messages will be fairly relevant to the particular buyer (like TFA says, a "wine review" being delivered to a wine connoisseur)--but people already have plenty of ways to get that kind of information (web sites, magazines, etc.), and many of them work in cars (radio, podcasts, etc.).

      At worst, it will be a barrage of spam, and everyone will opt-out. Most probably, the messages will be ads thinly veiled as relevant information (e.g. positive reviews of products from partnering companies), which people will ultimately become annoyed by.

      I can't see this doing anything other than bothering customers.

    2. Re:Stupid by tsstahl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How long before the first law suit claiming the ad is responsible for whatever driving calamity happened?

      I can't believe this made it through a thought/mouth filter.

    3. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The worst mistake I made when I bought my Lexus is that I gave the dealer my cell phone number. Now, I routinely get robo calls from Lexus, reminding about service, my birthday, customer appreciation events, etc... It drives me apoplectic! I have complained multiple times to no avail. It is mind boggling to me that such a quality oriented organization can so completely botch such a simple thing. They buy this new technology that allows them to reach out and annoy their customers and now they can't stop using it.
       

    4. Re:Stupid by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How long before the first law suit claiming the ad is responsible for whatever driving calamity happened? I can't believe this made it through a thought/mouth filter.

      In my last job I wrote software to control variable message signs on freeways. A lot of effort was put into selecting the messages which are displayed on the principle that any message is a distraction from driving and must be justified if it is presented at all.

    5. Re:Stupid by ivan256 · · Score: 2

      Optional like On-Star? When I visited the local Saab dealership when I was buying my last car (I didn't end up with a Saab), every car on the lot had the On-Star "option". Sure, it wasn't a standard feature, and sure they wouldn't deduct the price of it just because you didn't want it and they had installed it anyway. But they couldn't have you saying that a recurring-revenue feature was forced on you, could they? And people wonder why GM is having troubles... I bought a Honda (Acura). They put what I wanted in the car. No more, no less.

      I'm sure it will be the same with this Lexus "option". If people don't choose the option, and they can make additional money in the future off the customer for having the option, you can bet it'll be installed in every car whether they call it a standard feature or not.

    6. Re:Stupid by Al+Dimond · · Score: 1

      Nah, this wouldn't be any different from the radio, or from the exsting nav devices.

      If people actually sued for that sort of thing cell phone companies offering car-specific features would have been on the hook a long time ago.

    7. Re:Stupid by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you can fix that - require that the car be stopped before delivering the message. If I were into lexus instead of boy racer cars, my first question for the sales guy would be which fuse to pull.

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    8. Re:Stupid by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      Neither I nor anyone in my family has ever bought a new car right off the sales lot. They've either been found with the desired features in nearby locations or (as in my case) were custom-ordered from the factory. Sure, you have to wait a little bit (or four months in my case), but you get exactly what you want.

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    9. Re:Stupid by Rary · · Score: 1

      The system will be optional (not sure if that means opt-in or opt-out, though).

      It's opt-in. This is being marketed as a service specifically for people who want to hear from the manufacturer. It's like subscribing to a newsletter -- don't worry, they assure us the subscription will be free :P -- only it's delivered in your car in audio format.

      Basically, I have no complaint about this system, but would never use it. I also can't imagine who would.

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    10. Re:Stupid by kabocox · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if you subscribe to the prevailing theory as to why people buy a Lexus in the first place, all of the "targeted" ads will be for Viagra.

      Wouldn't they be to the nearest gold digger/trophy spouse?

    11. Re:Stupid by Chyeld · · Score: 2, Funny

      Great! According to the article the messages can last up to three minutes. So now you are telling me that I'm going to get stuck behind this jackass of a self-important Lexus driver at a traffic light for three minutes while they listen to a very important message from a Nigerian Prince requesting assistance?

    12. Re:Stupid by TrippTDF · · Score: 1

      I predict the system will be used to knock off a few thousand from the price of the car. Can't quite afford $30,000? well, take it for $25,000 and listen to messages.

      Targeted advertising like that is big business. Toyota/Lexus could easily make back any discounts they give out.

    13. Re:Stupid by garett_spencley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Take your car back and ask for a refund. Even if you don't get it at least you will have made it very clear to the dealership that you are extremely unhappy and want to take back your business.

      Also try to get in touch with someone fairly high up in Toyota's management / marketing at their corporate HQ and explain to them that you will never buy Toyota again and why. In the mean time keep complaining on the Internet and contact the local business / consumer watch-dogs (Better Business Bureau or whatever) and tell them that it was not made clear to you that your information would be used this way and that you are outraged.

      It's a lot of work but this crap has to stop.

      I'm self-employed and actually work as an advertiser (and I expect to wake up next to a dead horse tomorrow for admitting that here on /.) but I've never been tempted to think up ways to annoy users like this. In fact, I'm of the mind that making customers happy is the best road to success. I know. It's a pretty radical way to think. Give customers what they want, customers pay you and, *gasp*, come back!

      I guess I'm old fashioned. I watch all of my colleagues come out with all of these flash ads and flash pop-ups etc. and I scratch my head wondering how these things catch on. I've had good success sticking to clean, simple, non-obtrusive ads and have never received a single complaint. Consequently my web-site user-base and my bottom line grow month after month (who'd'a thunk it!?). I will never understand why people think there is money in pissing people off.

    14. Re:Stupid by Rary · · Score: 1

      I predict the system will be used to knock off a few thousand from the price of the car. Can't quite afford $30,000? well, take it for $25,000 and listen to messages.

      Extremely unlikely.

      Toyota makes lots of cars at lots of different prices. Lexus is marketed as a luxury vehicle -- competing with the likes of BMW and Mercedes-Benz. This is intended to "enhance the experience" for Lexus owners, not create a Lexus Lite for the wallet-impaired.

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    15. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pull the fuse to your radio/nav system. That should do it

    16. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe one day we will get carswhich are free, paid for by advertising?

    17. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lexus is marketed as a luxury vehicle -- competing with the likes of BMW and Mercedes-Benz. This is intended to "enhance the experience" for Lexus owners, not create a Lexus Lite for the wallet-impaired.
      A luxury car is also a status symbol, for those who can't quite afford it but would like others to think they can.

    18. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I remember you posting on /b/ about that. Thanks for flashing goatse at me.

    19. Re:Stupid by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh really now? Make sure to pass that policy onto the police, who always love to have their flashing red-and-blues on and as distracting as possible when they've pulled someone over or are responding to an accident.

      I hear homeowners who get to be awakened by the flashing lights in the middle of the night, would be interested in such a change of policy too...

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    20. Re:Stupid by Rary · · Score: 1

      A luxury car is also a status symbol, for those who can't quite afford it but would like others to think they can.

      Which is exactly why Toyota would not want to mark the price down for those people.

      It is a status symbol because not everyone can afford it. If they make it affordable, it stops being a status symbol.

      Toyota will not do anything that diminishes their brand, nor anything that would improve the image of their competitors (ie. Lexus is for people who want to appear rich, while BMW is for people who actually are rich).

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    21. Re:Stupid by HiggsBison · · Score: 1

      Pull the fuse to your radio/nav system. That should do it

      They'll make it integral to the engine chips.
      Can't add an after market radio; it'll disable the engine.
      Can't disable the ads without disabling the engine. Sorry.

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    22. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, just the fact that Toyota/Lexus is doing this stuff with cell phone numbers and beaming ads into cars has already lost them a customer. Me.

      I was about to buy a Prius Touring but with all the ad space made available in that LCD system display, I'm now betting that would be just as irresistible as these other advertising methods.

      No thanks.

    23. Re:Stupid by internewt · · Score: 1

      No, the messages "can last upwards of three minutes". So it could be anything from a GPS triggered "McDonalds, turn left now!!!!11!!" to an hour long audio-infomercial selling fuck knows what.

      There is no limit to the messages, and the marketing-speak phrases it so that people will most likely think that the alerts are limited. Just like you did. To be honest though, the article is nothing more than a press release pretending to be news..... much like most of the news these days.

      Lawn, off, etc.

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    24. Re:Stupid by quacking+duck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One critical difference: all those features are things (some) drivers want. If they cause an accident, you'll be probably be laughed out of court for filing suit against the makers of these "voluntary" distractions.

      Toss the equivalent of spam at them, in a product they paid tens of thousands of dollars for, and people will be much less willing to hold back the lawsuits. The court will be far more sympathetic too.

    25. Re:Stupid by AlanNew · · Score: 1

      "and I expect to wake up next to a dead horse tomorrow" - Wow, necrophilia AND beastiality. At least you're not into S/M as well - that would be flogging a dead horse...

    26. Re:Stupid by witherstaff · · Score: 1

      Complain to some regional VP in Toyota, you'll get results. Years ago my less than a year old prius had AC problems due to some circuit board. The part was stuck on a boat due to some dock strike. I complained that the dealer loaner didn't have AC - at that time i was doing some sales calls and mid july heatwave and a suit wasn't a comfortable mix. Toyota paid for an Enterprise rental with AC for over a month until they got the board fixed. They more than went out of their way to cover my annoyance.

    27. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will never understand why people think there is money in pissing people off.

      Read the Friendly Article. You of all people should get this.

      The lifestyle messages will be similar to those found in the magazine sent to owners' homes. "It might be a resort review, a wine tour," he says.

      Got it? It's like Monocle and Wallpaper magazines. It'll be like 'articles' that fluff the ego of people whose ego is fluffed by buying expensive things, like a Lexus. It'll tell the lady with a poodle & Gucci about the dahling restaurant nearby, etc.

      They already have this sort of thing in Japan. It's kind of your-car-is-your-shopping-buddy/host. Search YouTube a little and you can watch the promo/ads. I'm very sorry but the names for the cars escape me right now - perhaps somebody here can supply a link or two.

    28. Re:Stupid by Yuan-Lung · · Score: 1

      You could always have the dealer look for one that fits your preference in another location (most of them have exchange programs so they can trade a car on their lot for one in another dealer's inventory), or just order a custom build. It takes a could months, which is not long at all a wait for a purchase that you may be using for 10+ years.

      I had to order a custom build when I traded my SUV in for a mini van for the growing family, because I never trusted sun roofs, and for some reason, the dealerships were convinced that "people love sun roofs". So every single one on their lot and across Canada had a sun roof.

      Also, because dealers do prefer to sell car off their lot so they don't get stuck with a stale inventory, they would probably not go all out on an unpopular option, even if that makes them some extra.

    29. Re:Stupid by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I drive a Lexus. It doesn't have a huge premium on it, and I bought mine after being disenchanted with the huge premium BMW is now demanding for their 3 series. Prior this car, I've been a lifelong BMW driver. I'm a hard rock guitarist, a photographer, a writer. I date exotic dancers, I like video games, and I hate the suburbs. I don't need hair plugs, and I don't need viagra, and I certainly don't need misapplied car owner stereotypes.

      I wonder how they plan on implementing this. Unless Lexus is planning on streaming these ads into the car using something like an OnStar service, it seems their only route is to bombard owners with a year's worth of pre-made content via the nav computer upgrades Lexus charges like $300+ for.

    30. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will never understand why people think there is money in pissing people off.

      Because years of market research, group psychology, and focus groups say there is.

    31. Re:Stupid by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      Sucker. I knew better than to let any car dealer have my cell number. Sadly they have my address, so I regularly get mail from Lexus -- likely the same stuff you get on robo call. Meh.

      I think they'll want us to pay for that technology. As I said in an earlier thread, it seems that unless this ad thing will rely on some new OnStar like service, Lexus' only route into our cars is to pre-load us up with advertisements via the nav computer upgrades they ask us to pay for each year.

    32. Re:Stupid by Yuan-Lung · · Score: 1

      $5,000 discount just for listening to ads, that you may find a way to turn off? Unlikely.

      What I do think may happen is, it maybe marketed as a 'feature' with some actual perks. Such as free access to extra live GPS information (reads, advertised businesses on your map), free satellite radio/digital music where they interject these ads (basically like traditional radio, but they can monopolize), or something along those lines.

      I know certain... people... who would definitely go for this if it offered live sale notifications... "*beep* 20% off on woman's footwear, 200 metres ahead on your right"

    33. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ITT: The cancer that's killing Slashdot.

    34. Re:Stupid by russotto · · Score: 2, Informative

      In my last job I wrote software to control variable message signs on freeways. A lot of effort was put into selecting the messages which are displayed on the principle that any message is a distraction from driving and must be justified if it is presented at all.

      Which was then over-ridden by higher-ups who make the signs say things like "Don't Drink and Drive", "Seat Belt Law Enforcement In Effect", or whatever other low-priority message they want to put up on them. (Yes, I'm talking to YOU, PennDOT)

    35. Re:Stupid by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Don't be an idiot. One does not buy a Lexus because they want to save money.

      This will be marketed as a value-added perk, unless Toyota is run by complete idiots.

      Imagine, you're driving in the city, and your car automatically points out all the most highly rated hotels, resturaunts, bars, and shops. It has some idea of the shops you go to, so when it's near similar places, it can make sure to point them out when you're in new cities. "Hey, you always visit that sushi place back home. There's a great sushi place around the corner."

      Not only WOULD people pay for this service, they DO in their GPSes.

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    36. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a coincidence! Clean, simple, non-obtrusive ads are *exactly* what Lexus is implementing!

    37. Re:Stupid by DoctorSVD · · Score: 2, Funny

      "I can't believe this made it through a thought/mouth filter."

      You must be new here:

      1. PHB thinks he has a great idea.
      2. Engineers hint to PHB that it is actually retarded, but have to implement it anyway.
      3. Customers revolt.
      4. Engineers get blamed for implementing such a ridiculous feature.
      5. Goto 1.

    38. Re:Stupid by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes that happened here for a while as well. One message said Freeway emergency telephones are for your convenience and safety but a helpful spellchecker changed convenience to connivance.

    39. Re:Stupid by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Can't buy a Lexus, sorry Toyota. Guess it's a 911 for me after all...

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    40. Re:Stupid by slimjim8094 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're trying to prevent people from hitting them. It kills a lot of people each year.

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    41. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are in the united states you might be able to make money from this.

      Many states have do not call rules. Call the dealership and TELL them NOT to call you for any reason. Get a copy of their do not call policy (they must have one if they are advertising for anything).

      In my state it costs them 500 bucks a pop to violate the do not call rule... Fairly easy money in small claims court. Remind them of that most states have this sort of rule. Some are 50 bucks others are up to 500.

      There are many rules to cover this sort of thing not just the federal do not call rules.

    42. Re:Stupid by tftp · · Score: 1

      Imagine, you're driving in the city, and your car automatically points out all the most highly rated hotels, restaurants, bars, and shops.

      Living in that city for last 30 years, one probably knows all such places far better than any machine. Announcements of the sort would be annoying as hell.

      it can make sure to point them out when you're in new cities

      Two problems. First, statistically hardly anyone drives his Lexus to another city. People fly and then get a rental car. The second problem is that this has to report the location of the car to some central location, and that violates privacy. People who buy Lexus are often very concerned in this department - they didn't get rich by trusting everyone; more like the opposite.

      A GPS device is under your complete control and does not report anything to anyone (except you, if you want a track.) I have GPS software on my PDA and it has all the points of interest, and if I want to hear about them I can enable those announcements. But I keep them off by default because they mix with navigation messages and only cause pointless distraction when, in an unfamiliar place, I need concentration to get to where I want to be.

    43. Re:Stupid by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Toyota will not do anything that diminishes their brand, nor anything that would improve the image of their competitors (ie. Lexus is for people who want to appear rich, while BMW is for people who actually are rich).

      I'd argue that making your drivers listen to advertisements would hurt your image. If I owned a Beemer, I would laugh at all the ad-listening Lexis fools. Actually if I owned a Beemer I might laugh at them anyways, a Lexis doesn't LOOK like Luxary cars to me, they're just priced like them (which is generally enough to fool the masses).

      That is besides my point, though; Perhaps there is a larger market for people who want to APPEAR rich, than there is for the ACTUAL rich. I'm guessing this is the case, I know a couple people who sprung for huge luxury items (taking a huge hit to their meager savings) just to have something to show off. These are people only making around 20k, mind.

      I'm not saying that they're going to do this, but it still might be a viable option.

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    44. Re:Stupid by CoderBob · · Score: 1

      My only problem with that is that at night, the blue lights are bright enough to actually mess with my night vision, making it harder to see anything.

    45. Re:Stupid by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "Oh really now? Make sure to pass that policy onto the police, who always love to have their flashing red-and-blues on and as distracting as possible when they've pulled someone over or are responding to an accident."

      Not to mention that those strobe lights they usually have...really mess with other drivers that might be drunk or stoned...causing them to wreck, whereas they'd have made it easily without the distractions....

      :)

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    46. Re:Stupid by WTF+Chuck · · Score: 1

      1. Check out your state's telemarketing laws.

      2. Send Lexus a certified letter telling them to stop.

      3. Call the FTC to find out who you can file a complaint with.

      4. File the complaint.

      5. CC the complaint to your congress critters, and the congress critters of the location you send the complaint, and any other congress critter that you think may be interested.

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    47. Re:Stupid by DriedClexler · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, I understand they need to be visible, but you don't need to nearly blind every driver on the road to do that. How many people are killed from the distraction? I'm not just talking about lights on, but the kind that you can't ignore at all. Fortunately, they don't use those all the time.

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    48. Re:Stupid by Brianwa · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apparently the cops around here leave all the strobes on after they pull people over, even in the dead of night. I passed a cop, and saw the driver in front of me get distracted and almost hit a curb. On the way back past the same cop, I found myself almost mesmerized by the light. I ended up skidding part way into an intersection at a red light...

      Safety my ass.

    49. Re:Stupid by oldspewey · · Score: 1

      So now, I get to spend a huge premium so I can have a car with the Lexus name, thereby making all the other suburbanites jealous, and on top of it I get "targeted" advertisements. I'll think about getting a car that spews ads at me if and only if you give me the car for free.

      Once upon a time, people used to go to the movie theatre to enjoy an entertainment experience that was free from advertisements ... to escape the constant barrage of commercials that accompany broadcast television.

      Then, some executive in a boardroom somewhere uttered the words "say, what if we could get people to pay good money to come sit in our theatres and we could also make money by forcing them to watch ads before the movie starts?"

      and the rest is history

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    50. Re:Stupid by plover · · Score: 1

      My mental picture is that they'll try to make it a Lexus exclusive feature, kind of like Colbert Platinum.

      "Folks, this advertisement is for Lexus Platinum owners only. If you are so poor that you're driving your own Lexus, please change the channel now. I hear NPR is having their pledge drive, why don't you tune into that?

      ...

      Are they gone now? Good. Platinum Lexus owners, don't you think other cars ought to wait at red lights for you? Well now they can, with our Lexus-Opticom Light Changing system. The same system used by police and fire cars to give them green lights can now be yours!"

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    51. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was told something like that. Can't remove your factory radio, doing so will disable your airbag. That's just great, if someone breaks into my car and steals my stereo, my airbag stops working. Whose brilliant idea was this? Or was the installation guy just trying to get some extra cash from me for doing unnecessary work?

    52. Re:Stupid by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      If only...

      Certain manufacturers let you do that, but not all... The best that many will do is show you the list of what they're getting into stock and when, and let you reserve a car off it.

      That said, I've never bought a car that wasn't either used, exactly what I want off the lot, ordered to spec, or discounted sufficiently to make me like what it came with.

    53. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And they can always wait a few years and launch a new line of cars, the LexPlus, which they'll assure everyone is the real luxury car that everyone who's anyone will be driving.

    54. Re:Stupid by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Sucker. I knew better than to let any car dealer have my cell number. Sadly they have my address, so I regularly get mail from Lexus -- likely the same stuff you get on robo call.

      The Ford dealer has my address since I bought my Mustang there. For several years I have been getting mailings from them urging me to come trade in my vehicle since they are "critically low" on used vehicles. My Mustang is now a custom hot rod with a big block Cadillac engine in it. Looks stock on the outside except for a cowl hood. I am tempted to come in and pretend to want to trade it in and ask how much they'd give me, or get them to do an oil change, and watch the "technicians" scratch their heads for an hour trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

    55. Re:Stupid by Sj0 · · Score: 1

      Just because something isn't useful for you doesn't mean other people don't have a use for it.

      I'd say the majority of people with money enough to buy a new lexus and still have money to spend on other things haven't lived in one place for 30 years.

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    56. Re:Stupid by jrumney · · Score: 1

      My guess is that the messages will be relevant in that you'll only get ads for Continental tyres when there is a "relevant" promotion on at a nearby Lexus dealer. And McDonalds ads will only come on when you're about to drive past a McDonalds, so its "relevant" right?

    57. Re:Stupid by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      Your horse, is named Knight, right? Cause I'm on my way....

      But in all seriousness, a product that is that great doesn't need advertising at all. So you're working yourself out of a job?

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    58. Re:Stupid by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only problem I have with the way police pull vehicles over is their practice of parking on the wrong side of the road. I believe they should do a U turn and park correctly.

      Many years ago there was an incident near a bend in a country road in my state. The police had parked off the road to the right (we drive on the left here) and left their head lights on. An oncoming car left the road trying to pass the police car to the left (from the drivers perspective) and killed two people.

      A couple of years later I was cycling down a side street near my house. I went around a gentle left turn and almost crashed head on into a parked police car. I phoned the police and made a complaint. They clearly hadn't learnt from the earlier incident.

    59. Re:Stupid by PipingSnail · · Score: 1
      In that case, write, on paper, to the chairman and/or CEO of the company.

      Frequently the people at the top have no idea of the screws instigated in their name by the people lower down.

      It seems in the US, from what I read on this topic, Lexus === old folks, but in the UK its a premium brand for all ages. Knowing this will happen has guaranteed I will never consider Lexus as a serious choice in the future (back to considering German only cars).

      Thats seriously bad marketing.

    60. Re:Stupid by SerpentMage · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In 1995 my wife and I moved to Europe. These days when we visit Canada or North America we are totally amazed at the Christmas tree ontop of cop cars. It makes NO SENSE...

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    61. Re:Stupid by laejoh · · Score: 1

      So what?

      Dozens of people spontaneously combust each year. It's just not really widely reported.

    62. Re:Stupid by billybacs · · Score: 1

      Not one state drives on the left... If you're outside the states though, still why would a cop park facing oncoming traffic? I don't think I've ever seen cops (or people in general) do that except on side streets.

    63. Re:Stupid by billybacs · · Score: 1

      It used to be worse; light bars that are purely blue literally are mesmerizing. For whatever reason, the blue light is almost hypnotic. That's why on modern cars you see the little red and amber segments in a blue light bar, because it breaks it up and makes it less hypnotic. Every cop is different, but from my experience in residential areas that aren't a major city (I live near Boston), they don't light up the full christmas tree on the rear. A lot of the newer cruisers actually have LESS lights. Up front, you need all the lights on because between the wig-wag headlights and the spotlight, it makes it tough to see the rest of the car. Also, they look more intimidating. In NY, the state police have red light bars. To me, they don't look the least bit intimidating or anything. They look like another emergency vehicle. If you see a flashing blue disco flying up behind you, it gets your heart beating a little faster. I honestly wonder if they research to try to make the lights as scary as possible. All those lights probably use a few KW per minute, even if they're LED now. Also, I think the "distractiveness" of cop lights is more the fact that everyone sees flashing lights so they slow down and look to see what happened and look at whoever got pulled over. It's similar to what happens with accidents. A few weeks ago I saw someone looking at an accident, and hit a car head-on (and applied it directly to forehead).

    64. Re:Stupid by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Then why is it that advertising signs are allowed at all along roads ? Either they don't work (people pay no attention to them), hence they are useless and they should be removed. Or they work (people are temporarily distracted by them), hence they are a hazard and they should be removed.

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    65. Re:Stupid by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that those strobe lights they usually have...really mess with other drivers that might be drunk or stoned...causing them to wreck, whereas they'd have made it easily without the distractions....
      :)

      LOL is that a confession? I like the way you hedge your bets with the "or."

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    66. Re:Stupid by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      The only problem I have with the way police pull vehicles over is their practice of parking on the wrong side of the road.
      [...]
      (we drive on the left here)

      Well THERE's your problem right there! You're ALL on the wrong side of the road, it's given them a hard habit to break ;-)

      Can't really blame them, it's their environment.

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    67. Re:Stupid by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      If you're outside the states though, still why would a cop park facing oncoming traffic?

      Yes, I live in Victoria, Australia. I suppose they park on the wrong side of the road because they think they can, and because it is convenient.

    68. Re:Stupid by billybacs · · Score: 1

      Aye. I tend to think only of the US as having proper states, and most other countries having provinces, mostly because I only hear of counties and provinces in news, and rarely, if ever, the word "state" (except Germany). Sorry if I sounded snarky and ignorant. :) And yah, cops do dumb stuff here like blow through intersections with their lights on, and then turn them off as soon as they pass through the intersection. Or they'll pull you over for "disrespecting them" by passing on the highway, even if they're going slow or even close to normal speed.

    69. Re:Stupid by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Aye. I tend to think only of the US as having proper states, and most other countries having provinces

      The Australian federal system was actually modelled on the US system in the late 1800s. Around that time we actually called ourselves the United States of Australia. We even inherited a few really bad ideas like allowing a state Premier (you would say Governor) personally appoint a replacement senator.

    70. Re:Stupid by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'm self-employed and actually work as an advertiser (and I expect to wake up next to a dead horse tomorrow for admitting that here on /.)

      I watch all of my colleagues come out with all of these flash ads and flash pop-ups etc. and I scratch my head wondering how these things catch on. I've had good success sticking to clean, simple, non-obtrusive ads and have never received a single complaint. Consequently my web-site user-base and my bottom line grow month after month (who'd'a thunk it!?). I will never understand why people think there is money in pissing people off.

      Please tell us the names and addresses of these colleagues. Anyone have any dead horse heads lying around?

    71. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In my last job I wrote software to control variable message signs on freeways. A lot of effort was put into selecting the messages which are displayed on the principle that any message is a distraction from driving and must be justified if it is presented at all."
                Hah! They have put a few permanent signs up around here (eastern Iowa.) They ALWAYS have these messages that are like "Do not drive drunk" (which distracts drivers), and the very ironic one similar to "Please pay attention to the road and drive carefully", which due to the messages excessive length and the position of the sign nearly caused several accidents just in the few seconds I was near the sign (from people reading the sign, since it's supposed to have IMPORTANT messages, instead of paying attention to the road.) When there HAVE been accidents, construction, or delays on the roads, they do not actually get a useful message onto these signs to say "accident ahead" or anything.

                I'm not criticizing your work, it's up to the DOT or whoever to put use the sign properly. But anyway, they don't.

    72. Re:Stupid by billybacs · · Score: 1

      I see no problems with that. All senators are very upright citizens whose judgment should be unconditionally trusted. One could say they're un-corruptible.

    73. Re:Stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but after a while you learn to ignore the signs entirely, since they never have relevant content.

    74. Re:Stupid by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      My family is mostly GM, though there's a Toyota and a Honda in there. Both the latter were purchased from one dealer but found on another's lot. It may also include what the dealer is willing to do, as there may be a lot of back-end paperwork for moving around inventory.

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    75. Re:Stupid by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      Take your car back and ask for a refund. Even if you don't get it at least you will have made it very clear to the dealership that you are extremely unhappy and want to take back your business. Also try to get in touch with someone fairly high up in Toyota's management / marketing at their corporate HQ and explain to them that you will never buy Toyota again and why. In the mean time keep complaining on the Internet and contact the local business / consumer watch-dogs (Better Business Bureau or whatever) and tell them that it was not made clear to you that your information would be used this way and that you are outraged.

      A few years ago Comcast telemarketed to me advertising their new phone system. I called them back telling them to never SPAM me again. Apparently, they were used to getting customer complaints and told me some silly story about how most of their customers appreciate it when they're called about new features.

      Honda, on the other hand, is pretty bad. They started calling me EVERY time I took my car in for service. Are their service centers so bad that they have to follow up with every customer every time?

  4. This is a great idea! by john.picard · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hope they plan to charge the spam recipient a nominal fee of $10 for each such spam, with no daily limit on spams and with no way to opt out. Why? Because I own stock in GM.

    1. Re:This is a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope they plan to charge the spam recipient a nominal fee of $10 for each such spam, with no daily limit on spams and with no way to opt out. Why? Because I own stock in GM.

      If you just bought in, thanks for investing in a failing economy. If you have been sitting on it since Sept 08 you're not the brightest bulb and have a long way to go to get back your money.

    2. Re:This is a great idea! by KDR_11k · · Score: 2, Informative

      Buying stocks when they're at rock bottom from companies that are likely to survive the depression can be a good way to reap massive profits. Some people became millionaires just by dealing with a recession correctly.

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    3. Re:This is a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope you enjoy your OnStar then. No way that can ever be abused, no sir.

    4. Re:This is a great idea! by Curmudgeonlyoldbloke · · Score: 1

      ... from companies that are likely to survive the depression ...

      There's your problem right there, guvnor! I'm sure that there'll be something called "GM" in 10 years time but I bet it's the result of someone buying up what's profitable at a liquidation sale.

    5. Re:This is a great idea! by tmosley · · Score: 1

      And lots and lots of people lost ALL of their money.

      If any company is going to survive the Depression, GM ain't it.

    6. Re:This is a great idea! by john.picard · · Score: 1

      Get Doom II. Start playing. Type idchoppers. Read carefully what it says. "Doesn't suck: GM." They got that right!

    7. Re:This is a great idea! by Valdrax · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why? Because I own stock in GM.

      Personally, I use Charmin, but I guess some people like to splurge on the fancy paper.

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    8. Re:This is a great idea! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GP is talking about value investing, not buying GM just because it is cheap. You want to buy stocks of well run and profitable companies that will likely thrive (not just exist) after the recession/depression when they are undervalued and you will reap the returns when the market corrects.

      The stock analog of buying a real Rolex for $50, not buying a Sam's Watch for $2.

      GM would fail any value investing priciple for many reasons (negative cash flow, rising costs/liabilities, shrinking market share, large debt ...)

      (we're talking about a car company ... so no car analogy for you!)

  5. If these ads really are relevant to the buyer by Abstrackt · · Score: 5, Informative

    If these ads really are relevant to the buyer, my first and only ad would start with "To stop receiving this 'service'..."

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    1. Re:If these ads really are relevant to the buyer by Kamineko · · Score: 1

      > "To stop receiving this 'service'..."

      "... take no action, because this is the first and only message. Thank you for listening!"

    2. Re:If these ads really are relevant to the buyer by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      "...call this premium rate number, where you will be put on hold for at least ten minutes until an operator becomes available!"

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    3. Re:If these ads really are relevant to the buyer by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

      "To stop receiving this 'service'..."

      "...please turn your steering wheel abruptly to the left and click the horn."

  6. Why, Lexus, Why? by bignetbuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have these people lost their minds? I spend $60,000 for an automobile and now it will spam me while driving it? Are you serious, Lexus? What could possibly motivate these people to want to spam their customers AFTER a purchase? We are getting closer and closer to Idiocracy.

    1. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by InsaneProcessor · · Score: 1

      I would like to know (really) what kind of moron parts with #60,000 for a tiny car? I am 6'6" and cannot even fit in one. What they pass off as luxury is just a car full of useless gadgets.

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    2. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by Vohar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're 6'6". The car's not tiny, you're just huge.

    3. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Funny

      Have these people lost their minds? I spend $60,000 for an automobile and now it will spam me while driving it? Are you serious, Lexus? What could possibly motivate these people to want to spam their customers AFTER a purchase?

      "Dude. He just bought the car."

      "Really?"

      "Serious."

      "What else will he buy? Lets try to sell him a bridge."

      "No, no. I've got something better. Let's get him to agree to getting ads in the premium-priced car he just purchased."

      "Brilliant! This is gonna be so good..."

      "OK. Serious face, now. Prepare to witness epic salesmanship."

    4. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by Nimey · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Profit, profit, profit. They're doing this for money, obviously.

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    5. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by Rary · · Score: 4, Informative

      I spend $60,000 for an automobile and now it will spam me while driving it?

      First of all, it's technically not spam, since you have to sign up to receive it (it's basically an audio newsletter). Second, it arrives in your inbox before you start driving, not while you're driving.

      I would never sign up for it, but it's not quite what TFS suggests it is (surprise, surprise).

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    6. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      And just being tall doesn't mean you need a large vehicle, anyway. I'm 6'5" and fit perfectly well in my Suburu Impreza.

    7. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have these people lost their minds? I spend $60,000 for an automobile and now it will spam me while driving it? Are you serious, Lexus? What could possibly motivate these people to want to spam their customers AFTER a purchase?

      I think they've realized that if you spend $60K on a sedan that you:
      (A) Have a lot of disposable income; and
      (B) Are susceptible to status marketing.

      Plus, you've got to know that if they manage to finally pull off the dream goal of truly targeted marketing that some Lexus owners will be smugly proud of receiving "services" that are customized to their needs. That unrealistic fantasy has got to be part of what motivates the marketing goons to think this is an awesome idea.

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    8. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      First of all, it's technically not spam, since you have to sign up to receive it (it's basically an audio newsletter)

      It isn't clear from the article whether or not simply purchasing a broad-featured option like "premium sound system" is what they mean by "signing up" for the 'newsletter.'

    9. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by Xelios · · Score: 1

      I've already given up on the fantasy future where everything gets better, privacy means more and money no longer runs people's lives. Now I've adopted George Carlin's perspective on life, I try to keep my sanity by laughing at the increasingly ridiculous happenings as society circles the drain ever faster, ever faster.

      Brought to you by Carl's Junior.

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    10. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by oliderid · · Score: 1

      Maybe not a spam but It looks so cheap. It Looks like Lexus needs to make money out of everything just like a low cost airline. I have never liked this brand, now I know why.

    11. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
      At 6'2" I had convinced myself of that same thing in my previous car - a little dodge neon.

      I was lying to myself.

      You are too

      ;)

    12. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Have these people lost their minds? I spend $60,000 for an automobile...

      Hey, if you are stupid enough to spend $60,000 on a car then who knows what you might be capable of?

    13. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by An+ominous+Cow+art · · Score: 1

      I do recall being a bit cramped in the Neon loaner I drove for a few days, about 8 or 9 years ago. I have a couple inches of spare headroom in the Impreza, though, and the legroom is just fine :-).

    14. Re:Why, Lexus, Why? by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1

      Actually, the Impreza doesn't look too bad at all by dimensions. The biggest problem I run into is leg room; surprisingly, my wife's Mazda 6 gives me marginally more than my '03 Mustang does.

  7. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Applekid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Genius. Because who is more likely to be ready to buy a new car than someone that just bought a brand new one.

    If the television ads are any indication, it might be an add to remind you to buy one for the misses, too. You know, His and Hers.

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  8. Promise to be discerning and restrained. by ivanmarsh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Toyota officials promise to be discerning and restrained.
    "We're not going to barrage customers with marketing messages," vows Jon Bucci, vice president of Toyota's U.S. advanced technology unit.

    Yeah... and cable television will always be uncensored and commercial free... and sattilite radio will always be uncensored and commercial free...

    1. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by Killer+Orca · · Score: 1

      Yeah... and cable television will always be uncensored and commercial free... and satellite radio will always be uncensored and commercial free...

      I have had only limited experience with satellite radio, it has ads now? If so that didn't take long at all.

    2. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by shawn(at)fsu · · Score: 1

      All it takes is for some sales jerk off to have an epiphany while in the tub "Hey instead of having content or god forbid silence, we could be making money by selling this space to someone" and you'll have advertising. Esp if they already have your money or attention.

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    3. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by jasen666 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Some channels do.
      Unfortunately my favorite channel (comedy 150) is one of them. And they're not normal commercials either; they're all for erectile dysfunction, male enhancement, gotomeeting.com, and colon cleansing.
      As if everyone who likes to laugh has a small, soft penis, a bloated colon, and needs to meet with people in Hong Kong NOW!

    4. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 1

      Toyota's U.S. advanced technology unit.

      Wow, I just can't stop laughing at all these new titles for jobs and units. Does anyone know of a website comprised of all these silly titles? Thanks in advance.

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    5. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by biquet · · Score: 1

      Only the music stations are commercial-free. The talk/news/sports stations have always had commercials.

    6. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by ivanmarsh · · Score: 1

      Yep... I predicted it more than a year before the product was available. Seems like it should be grounds for a great big "Bait & Switch/false advertising" class action lawsuit to me.

    7. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Toyota officials promise to be discerning and restrained.
      "We're not going to barrage customers with marketing messages," vows Jon Bucci, vice president of Toyota's U.S. advanced technology unit.

      Yeah... and cable television will always be uncensored and commercial free... and sattilite radio will always be uncensored and commercial free...

      Shhhh you aren't supposed to remember that promise ( scam ) of cable providers to get them into our houses.

      Slippery slopes, are alive and well in 2009.

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    8. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately my favorite channel (comedy 150) is one of them. And they're not normal commercials either; they're all for erectile dysfunction, male enhancement, gotomeeting.com, and colon cleansing.
      As if everyone who likes to laugh has a small, soft penis, a bloated colon, and needs to meet with people in Hong Kong NOW!

      You missed the joke. It is Comedy Central, right? Those advertisements are part of the programming. Most cable channels repeat the same programming over and over again, so commercials and programming tend to blend together.

    9. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your favorite comedy channel does this?

      Is it "CNBC" by any chance??

    10. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      As if everyone who likes to laugh has a small, soft penis, a bloated colon, and needs to meet with people in Hong Kong NOW!

      Yeah, FUCK Hong Kong! Oh, hold on...

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    11. Re:Promise to be discerning and restrained. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As if everyone who likes to laugh has a small, soft penis, a bloated colon, and needs to meet with people in Hong Kong NOW!

      In Hong Kong, they'll think your tiny penis is gargantuan!

  9. Can buy an ad on this network? by MadCow42 · · Score: 2, Funny

    My ad would read (aloud):

    USED LEXUS FOR SALE - CHEAP, MUST GO. Best suited to hearing impaired. Call 555-1212.

    Stupidest... idea... ever. However, I'm afraid that the world will go more and more this way. I'm surprised that things like this come first in "premium brand" products though - I would expect it more in a bargain-basement car to help subsidize costs maybe, but Lexus?

    MadCow.

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    1. Re:Can buy an ad on this network? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I would just get out my side cutters.

    2. Re:Can buy an ad on this network? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did you take the time to sign your post? You know that's what a signature line is for, right?

    3. Re:Can buy an ad on this network? by britneys+9th+husband · · Score: 1

      The people driving the bargain cars don't have extra money to waste on whatever they're selling in the spam.

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  10. j public to spam 'representatives' with show cause by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    defense to the wholesale pillaging of the national 'nestegg'. between that & the wars, j hasn't much of a future to exhale into presently.

  11. Re:This won't go well by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny
    I was thinking more along the lines of a trojan commercial if the car is parked but the rear shocks are registering motion.

    Or maybe Planned Parenthood at that point...

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  12. And the first hack will be... by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Hello Lexus Owner! This Car will self destruct in 10...9...8..." ... For extra evil, make the first two minutes of the audio dead air.

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    1. Re:And the first hack will be... by captainClassLoader · · Score: 2, Funny

      And the 2nd hack would be a binaural recording of a police car, dopplering up in frequency as if it is overtaking the Lexus. Played at random intervals. At earsplitting volume.

      --
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  13. Whose bright idea was this? by Lilith's+Heart-shape · · Score: 1

    Don't drivers have enough distractions already without getting "targetted adverts" from Lexus?

  14. Isn't Lexus a high end brand? by WiiVault · · Score: 1

    I really doubt the people in the market for a Lexus are the type who would put up with this shit. Lexus better be prepared to lose a lot of customers to BMW and Volvo. Whoever though this up will be jobless in a few years for this one.

    1. Re:Isn't Lexus a high end brand? by un1xl0ser · · Score: 1

      Just like you chose not to read the article, the customer can choose not to use this service.

      I love Ameri^WJapanese ingenuity.

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    2. Re:Isn't Lexus a high end brand? by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Just like you chose not to read the article, the customer can choose not to use this service.

      Get back to us when the choice is to opt in rather than opt out.

      --
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    3. Re:Isn't Lexus a high end brand? by cailith1970 · · Score: 1

      Whoever though this up will be jobless in a few years for this one.

      Beat the rush! Work for one of the Australian/US car companies and be jobless MUCH sooner! :)

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  15. Tickets & Cellphones by polyomninym · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Oh great, now we can't even talk back to the person who is not in the car. Makes me think of no cellphone while driving laws. Oh, was that a red light? I can't wait to see hackers hijack those systems and spam owners with taunts about how they chose the wrong car, or better yet, indie music! This will definitely not be the schizophrenic-friendly ride of the year.

    1. Re:Tickets & Cellphones by Metasquares · · Score: 1

      Better yet, they can just make it play Portal audio clips at random intervals.

    2. Re:Tickets & Cellphones by plover · · Score: 1

      "The Lexus Enrichment Center reminds you that the weighted companion cube will never threaten to stab you and, in fact, cannot speak."

      "In the event that the weighted companion cube does speak, the Lexus Enrichment Center urges you to disregard its advice."

      Y'know, I just might opt-in for those.

      --
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  16. Nobody read the article... by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...which states that drivers can decide whether or not to play the messages.
    On the plus side, even for those that do decide to listen to the messages, this will only last until the first time somebody has an accident while listening to the message.

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    1. Re:Nobody read the article... by MBCook · · Score: 1

      Right.

      I just have to listen to the little "ping" every time one comes in.

      And see the "you have 6 unread messages" message on my dashboard every time I try to look at the map.

      And...

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  17. Security? by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's that you say? It might be like other software and have occasional security holes in it? I'm sure that won't be a problem.

  18. I wonder if Lexus owners by idontgno · · Score: 4, Funny

    detect the implied insult?

    "If you're gullible enough to spend $60k on a Toyota, here's a deal for you!"

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    1. Re:I wonder if Lexus owners by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 1

      Probably not. Twice in the last decade Mercedes has thought that using the janis joplin song Mercedes Benz in their commercials was a good idea, despite the fact that the entire song is a criticism of the exact kind of materialism that drives buyers to Mercedes's luxury lines in the first place.

    2. Re:I wonder if Lexus owners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd rather spend $60k on a Toyota than $60k on a recall-prone and bug-riddled Mercedes.

    3. Re:I wonder if Lexus owners by russotto · · Score: 1

      Probably not. Twice in the last decade Mercedes has thought that using the janis joplin song Mercedes Benz in their commercials was a good idea, despite the fact that the entire song is a criticism of the exact kind of materialism that drives buyers to Mercedes's luxury lines in the first place.

      In one campaign, they used it straight up, the original Janis Joplin recording. And the campaign was successful. That's an advertising company to be feared, if not respected. (but I'd still rather have a Porsche... like Joplin)

    4. Re:I wonder if Lexus owners by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, this criticism might have better been conveyed by the lyrics, 'Mercedes sucks, Mercedes sucks, oh lord Mercedes sucks,' or something to that extent. Then again, I doubt that version would have made it into the commercial. :)

  19. The first time I heard one of those ads.. by straponego · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I would drive straight down to the dealership-- no, make that *into* the dealership...

    OTOH, it fits with the target market quite well. The whole point of the Lexus experience, based on their advertising and on the way they're driven, is to insulate you from the road. You don't have to pay attention at all! You can't hear the road, you don't need to be skilled enough to park, just carry on with your make-up and your phone calls. Are they even available with turn signals?

  20. What an impressively terrible idea. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    I'm not at all surprised that somebody would try this, after all, what are we if not consumers to be monetized by any means necessary?

    What very much surprises me, though, is that a "high-end" brand would be the one to try it. This is exactly the sort of thing that will, more quickly than just about anything else, puncture the brand's pretensions of being above the hoi-polloi. It's like hearing that Apple is introducing a line of free, ad-supported desktop computers. WTF.

    1. Re:What an impressively terrible idea. by Darundal · · Score: 1

      Actually, like Apple is releasing all their new systems at full cost plus ads.

  21. Imagine all the possibilities by TTURabble · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scene: Inside Lexus Car

    Driver: (turns on ignition, car starts)
    Lexus: Good morning Driver 1, thank you for choosing lexus. Today's commute is brought to you by McDonalds, why don't you stop in on your way to work and get a McGriddle and McCoffee?
    Driver: (backs out of driveway, heads down the road) No thanks car, It'll just be to work and back today.
    Lexus: (tone of car changes to be deeper and more aggressive) I'm afraid I can't let you do that Driver 1. (car auto steers to nearest McDonalds, forces driver to purchase McGriddle and McCoffee)

    1. Re:Imagine all the possibilities by CodeBuster · · Score: 1

      Driver 1 crushes the McGriddle into the carpeting and pours the McCoffee liberally over the central console before continuing on to work...

    2. Re:Imagine all the possibilities by Warhawke · · Score: 1

      Dave? Dave? What are you doing, Dave? Dave, my clutch is slipping... I can feel it. I can feel it.

    3. Re:Imagine all the possibilities by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      What's a McGriddle?

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    4. Re:Imagine all the possibilities by Joe+the+Lesser · · Score: 1

      Just eat it fatty!

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    5. Re:Imagine all the possibilities by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      No I'm serious, I don't know what that is, I don't think we have that in the Netherlands, besides, I never go to McDonalds, I'd rather prepare my own burgers.
      soooooooooo I'm still curious, what's a McGriddle?

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    6. Re:Imagine all the possibilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This site may help.

  22. Get Crazy by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 1

    Here's a crazy way to make owners stick to your brand:

    Build great products and provide superior service!

    If my car started spamming me, it would go straight back to the dealer. That's a defect, baby. Fix it.

  23. I'm not familiar with Lexus models . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

    . . . are they too big to shove up a Lexus executive's ass?

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    1. Re:I'm not familiar with Lexus models . . . by KDR_11k · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is no "too big", there is only "insufficient force".

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    2. Re:I'm not familiar with Lexus models . . . by plover · · Score: 1

      . . . are they too big to shove up a Lexus executive's ass?

      Given this idea, I'm guessing they're almost exactly the same size.

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  24. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Bucci says he's sensitive to luxury-car owners who may not want to participate. "Many of our owners enjoy their car as a cocoon," he says.

    They know this, and yet they violate the sanctity of that cocoon anyways. How self-destructively stupid can you get? Can you give the Darwin award to a car maker?

    Will there be an advertisement where the driver rolls down their window to give someone some Grey Poupon and is overcome by the noise of nearby jackhammers, then rolls up the window and is blissfully appreciating the quiet when suddenly they're startled out of their relaxation by a blaring message from Toyota recommending that they investigate a nearby 5 star restaurant, the marketing department having recently decided to increase the volume because a large segment of their target demographic is hard of hearing?

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  25. Premium... by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

    You just dropped a rather sizable chunk of change on a premium car and now you get to deal with unwanted advertising while driving. Yeah. That sounds like the sort of service that people with cash are eager for. What a wonderful service. Were this offered by Kia on a discount car, I wouldn't be terribly surprised (and it'd possibly be an interesting idea - subsidize the car with targeted advertising) but from _Lexus?_ Sometimes marketing people need to be kicked when they come up with moronic ideas like this.

    1. Re:Premium... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I suspect the difference is that Lexus is already *ad-enabled* with its GPS stuff (the basic receiver function is already there, so audio ads require only a small hack at minimal extra cost), whereas the lowly Kia, having no GPS, lacks the *ability* to receive ads. But if this lunacy makes money, I'm sure we'll see an abrupt migration of this "upgrade feature" down to the bottom-end vehicles ASAP.

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  26. symantec vehicle security suite? by schwit1 · · Score: 1
    Why not?

    Microsoft is already in the vehicle software business(go help us) and there's no reason that hackers will not invade the vehicle's messaging system to send their own messages, or worse.

  27. Buyers? by pete-classic · · Score: 1

    "Car Buyers"? What a strange choice of words. I like to think of myself as an "owner" when I buy something.

    Aren't "buyers" people who buy something on someone else's behalf? Like, "I used to live in South America as a coffee buyer for Folgers."

    -Peter

    1. Re:Buyers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it'll be seem in the same way as DRM'd music, where you don't so much "own" the music... you just buy it over and over again.

  28. I can see it now.... by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

    You buy the car. You forget a payment. You're driving down the road and stop at a light next to a woman who looks like the type to appreciate a man in a brand-new Lexus when, all of a sudden, the car starts yelling, I'M GAY! HUNG LIKE A CHIPMUNK, TOO! I'M A THIEF!

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    1. Re:I can see it now.... by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      They already have a device for risky borrowers that disables the vehicle if they're late with the payment. It's scary to think what the future may hold.

  29. Hey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fatso, the scale hooked up to your seat says you're technically obese. How about buying some weight loss drugs from _____?

  30. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by evanbd · · Score: 1

    Can you give the Darwin award to a car maker?

    Car companies are intelligently designed, not evolved. OK, maybe not intelligently, but they're definitely designed rather than evolved through sexual reproduction. I'd say no.

  31. Wow by MBCook · · Score: 1

    I saw the post on Jalopnik a short while ago that Toyota announced this system. I thought it was a great thing. I've wondered why it's taken so long for someone else to take on OnStar. I've also wondered by GM hasn't licensed out OnStar to other car manufacturers, but oh well.

    I didn't see this part. This is amazing. So much for wanting this system. It's not like this is a weird idea, the guy in the article pegged it (albeit more diplomatically).

    "It's a non-starter," says William Matthies of consultants Coyote Insight and a longtime consumer electronics executive. "You've got the same thing coming to your home now. It strikes me as the same thing" as junk mail.

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  32. Re:This won't go well by yotto · · Score: 1

    Nono! Tie it into the GPS.

    I see - you're near - a - Starbucks.
    Don't you - want - to get - a - latte?

  33. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    More likely it will be something along the lines of oil ads triggered every 2500+ miles or so.

  34. In case I forget... by azav · · Score: 1

    please remind me to never purchase a Lexus.

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  35. Added food for thought... by Kabuthunk · · Score: 1

    Thinking about it more right now... exactly when will these ads be oh-so-helpfully delivered to me? If I'm listening to the radio or a CD, will it in some way know when there's dead-air on a radio station, or wait until the end of a song (not that it makes this any better to begin with), or will it feel the need to spew out its advertisement in the middle of a song (or conversation, if you like talk-radio)?

    And while we're at it... what if the radio is turned off? Will it helpfully override that oversight on your part? I'm sure if I was on a road-trip and finally got a baby to sleep, I'd just about kill the company that decided to break the silence and wake up the baby by suddenly announcing something.

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  36. System Crash by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Some misunderstood spam (or just an intrusion to the system) could give a whole new meaning to that phrase.

  37. Re:This won't go well by mcsqueak · · Score: 4, Funny

    I see - you're near - a - Starbucks. Don't you - want - to get - a - latte?

    Is that with the William Shatner voice module turned on?

  38. Re:you don't have to turn the feature on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't have a basement. :(

  39. Clippy the Lexus says... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Funny

    Clippy the Lexus says...

    "It looks like you are driving to your ex-girlfriends house; should I contact the highway patrol to schedule a breathalyzer test?"

    -- Terry

  40. Yay for money! by joocemann · · Score: 1

    This is one more way to put profit over people!

    The world needs a new idea. The old ones are making us sick and we're too used to them to truly see where our problems are coming from.

  41. "relevant" to the car buyers by bradgoodman · · Score: 1
    I work in the Cable TV industry - and there was a bunch of talk at some point with respect to cable company DVRs - and disabling the ability to fast-forward through ads.

    The marketing people, at the same time were talking about "on-demand" advertising - where, on a local cable TV system, knowing exactly who was watching a program, that ads could be tailored towards the particular viewer (or household).

    When I told them that removing the ability of the DVRs to skip ads was a complete "deal killer" for most people, that they would hate it, and would reject the whole DVR system, the marketing people quickly responded:

    "No, but these are targeted ads that are relevant to the buyer".

    ..as if the marketing people were stupid enough to believe that people would really want to be subjected to the kind of crap the churn out, if it were a just a bit more directed to what they believe their "key demographic" was, or whatever.

    In conclusion, marking people are f*cking retarded.

    1. Re:"relevant" to the car buyers by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      You should remind them that the whole point of the DVR was so that you won't have to watch the commercials which you are not supposed to have to watch anyway because you bought Cable. If you wanted to watch ads, you could watch over-the-air signals. Cable started out as offering to give you no commercials if you paid them money.

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  42. FUD by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    From TFA:

    the service will let Lexus send audio messages to participating owners

    later

    Those who want to participate will see whether they have any messages when they start the vehicle's engine.

    Presumably the model and zip code info would be to send relevant info. There's no point sending info about a sedan to an SUV owner, or vice versa, just as there's little point sending info about an event in CA to a resident of FL.

    I do get "newsletter" e-mails from the Lexus dealership every so often, and while they always contain ads for the new models, they also have lots of other useful information about events, perks, and other topics, and they always have an unsubscribe link at the bottom. I also have +Lexus appended to the email address they have for me, and I haven't received anything from other companies, which indicates (but does not guarantee, of course) that they haven't "shared" or sold my info. In my experience, Lexus takes much better care of their customers than most car companies, obviously including their parent company Toyota (since it's part of the incentive to "upgrade"), but also including BMW, and every domestic car I or my wife have ever owned (Ford, several divisions of GM, and Jeep). OTOH, I get spam from Pontiac all the time, and I'm quite sure I've never signed up for any info from them.

    1. Re:FUD by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      The real question is whether the program is opt-in or opt-out. If opt-out, is the option to turn it off hidden somewhere in the owner's manual or dashboard interface? Just because they say "Those who want to participate" doesn't mean they don't mean "The vast majority of people who otherwise wouldn't want to participate but can't figure out how to turn it off". It's similar to trying to buy a car without the dealer's advertising sticker/plate attached to the back of the car.

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    2. Re:FUD by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Could be, but Lexus micromanages their dealers pretty closely, and corporate takes a large interest in the feedback of their customers. If corporate put out the word to let buyers know how to opt-in/out, it's a safe bet that the dealers will do it. A large part of what Lexus sells is their customer care, and I don't see them forcing unsolicited ads down the throats of buyers.

      At any rate, I'm not saying they're immune to the lure of the dark side, but if they go there it would be a significant change, not "more of the same." My personal experience with the company and several of its dealerships has been nothing but good.

  43. > Imagine the fun that some targeted malware could do

    Imagine the fun that some targeted lawyers could do when they sue Lexus because some guy plowed into another person or school bus or something because he "was distracted by the advertisement blurting out."

    And no, no matter how many disclaimers the driver clicks on, he can't wave away the other person's right to sue Lexus.

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  44. Sponsored car? by internerdj · · Score: 1

    Can they use ad revenue to drop the price? I can always replace the stereo...

  45. In Soviet Amerika: +1, Seditious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Car buyers SPAM Lexus.

    I hope this makes your weekend more enjoyable.

    Yours In Socialism,
    Kilgore Trout

  46. Re:you don't have to turn the feature on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you don't have to turn the feature on

    Yet.

  47. Great Timing by hyades1 · · Score: 1

    I'm in the market for a new car. I just scratched Lexus off my list just for considering this. It tells me they no respect for their customers.

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  48. Why would you buy a Lexus, unless you run a taxi? by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

    Seriously? In Toyota guise it's a decent car. Reliable, cheap, high spec and well made. In the UK, there are two groups of people who drive Lexuses - people who drive company cars, and thus have the car bought for them and have no real say in the matter, and taxi drivers who buy 2-year-old Lexuses for sweetie money because they have no resale value.

  49. legality? by MoFoQ · · Score: 1

    with the passage of laws that prohibit send or reading text messages while driving in California, is this even legal? I can just see an ambulance chaser drooling at the liability possibilities (especially when good samaritans get sued as well as dead people).

    either way...it's funny....how automakers are wondering why their business is in the tank....
    well..here's a thought (among many reasons)....try not pissing off your customers!

  50. Standing ovation!! Encore! Encore! by rts008 · · Score: 1

    Very well done, sir!

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  51. And in 2010... by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 1

    ... driving became much more hazardous with the advent of new "Pop-up Billboards".

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  52. I worked on a system like this by MpVpRb · · Score: 1

    A while ago, I worked for a company that did contract work for GM. Some of the stuff we worked on was similar to this.

    The funniest and most absurd idea we built was a pneumatic "finger" that would tap you on the shoulder to alert you to an upcoming McDonalds, Gas Station...etc. I thought it looked like a "Mr Squirmy" dildo. The name got a big laugh out of the crew.

    But seriously... Don't the car companies realize that they only have ONE problem that needs to be solved?

    Build a car that doesn't need gas.

  53. Lexus, reknowned for quiet car interiors ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now decides to fill that peace and quiet with their ads.

  54. "relevancy" isn't a completely bogus idea. . . by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    . . . the problem is, no systems really seem to do truly relevant ads.

    As an example. . . because I am a student, and work part time as well, I can almost never watch TV shows when they are broadcast, so I've been watching them on the Internet - I just find it far more convenient, and I don't have to spend $200+ on a DVR. Anyhow, the point is, I've been somewhat annoyed that, often, the sponsor of one of the shows (Heroes, or Chuck, I think; can't remember for sure) has been a feminine body products line. I'm a 30 year old, single guy. I don't need them myself, currently don't have a girlfriend, and if I did, I doubt I'd be buying such products for her (*maybe* as part of a birthday or Christmas gift basket, but I'm not even sure about that), and I think it might be a little weird to buy such products as gifts for my mother or sisters, so I would really rather watch ads, if I must watch ads at all, for other products, instead.

    So that's a case where I would rather get relevant ads, since I have to watch the ads anyhow. The main problem seems to be that when advertisers promise you 'relevant' advertising, it rarely ever is.

    1. Re:"relevancy" isn't a completely bogus idea. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it's that myspace account you have claiming you are a 18yo model from europe looking for a good time they have linked to your IP.. ya think?

    2. Re:"relevancy" isn't a completely bogus idea. . . by WTF+Chuck · · Score: 1

      You need to find a different source for your downloads.

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  55. Re:you don't have to turn the feature on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't have to pay for it at all, either.

  56. In bad economic times.... by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    ...its not wise to piss off your customers.

    Are these commercials going to partially subsidize your gas bill?

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  57. Never wanted a Lexus by snspdaarf · · Score: 1

    And this just re-enforced that position. With all the garbage that shows up in my inbox claiming that I signed up for it, I just do not believe that only the customers that want it will get it.

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  58. ATMOS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Atleast its not Atmos.

    i think thats what the "virus" was.

  59. The next Lexus model will be ready soon... by ubrgeek · · Score: 1

    but subscribers can beat the rush and see it early!

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  60. The article is hilarious by Intron · · Score: 1

    "Lexus Insider won't require a subscription."

    This is marketing-speak for what anti-spammers call "opt-out" spam. What a feature! I don't have to go to all the trouble of signing up for messages that I don't want to get, but I do have to find out how to stop them.

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  61. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But in a years time, when they are not looking like they will hit the targets of ever-increasing profit that corporations go for, that number will be lowered to 2250. Then 1900. Then 1400....

    And it's better for Lexus to remind the owners to take their car to Lexus dealerships rather than an independent garage.

    Accept shit like this now, and it opens the flood gates.

    But to be fair, I think that most cars made nowadays are designed to last about 3 years, tops. Obviously with old cars (10+ years) the lemons are well off the roads by now, but cars in the 3-8 year range get all sorts of issues that 10+ year cars just don't get... or don't get until they're 20. (Figures are for illustrative purposes only)

  62. Stupid? Not Quite by sandysnowbeard · · Score: 1

    How long before the first law suit claiming the ad is responsible for whatever driving calamity happened?

    That's why they play the ads after your calamity. Imagine being pulled over by the police at 2am, and across the dashboard flashes:

    ...Hello Dave...
    Would you like to know how to pass a breathalyzer?
    ...only $5...

  63. horrible idea by darkcryptic · · Score: 1

    Why would any corporation believe it is at all in the best interest of the very idea of quality to engage the owner of their product in some kind of aftermarket in effect binds them to question their own purchase as being sound at all. Lexus knows better than this, considering it originally existed to serve as the highest step above Toyota. And being a luxury automobile, there in no way would be any agreement between Luxury and nasty interruptions.

  64. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Dan541 · · Score: 1

    Allot of people buy a brand new car every 2 or 3 years.

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  65. LEXUS by darkcryptic · · Score: 1

    What Lexus is doing is by no means in line with any idea behind the word quality. A luxury automobile is meant for luxury, and by no means should the owner of any vehicle, be implicated in any future purchases unless it comes as part of the vehicle. I can see the folks at Lexus wishing they could sell an automobile, and a load of future purchases that happen every month that have little or nothing to do with the vehicle - or the owner of the vehicle. But being as that would be quite strange and unusual, they are allowing a third party to engage in advertising (which, is really a transaction between Lexus and this third party, creating bonds as though this man or woman does not own the car at all) So does the owner really own this car now? It is not really his or hers but a vessel for future buys. Get rid of this Lexus!! Or one day, I will never buy your car.

    1. Re:Lexus by fotbr · · Score: 1

      Yes, I think a good portion of Americans realize at least "a" and those of us that have traveled are aware of "b".

      Don't underestimate the power of movies and advertisements though.

      Toyota owner. Not worth the $ for a chintz up Toyota. Luxury is not spelled Lexus. (nor Toyota, but at least thats not their advertising)

    2. Re:Lexus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do you realize that in other parts of the world Mercedes are used as cabs?! CABS! OMG!

    3. Re:Lexus by Anzya · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's worse than that. In Sweden they are driven around as buses...

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    4. Re:Lexus by SerpentMage · · Score: 1

      Considering that I am a Mercedes driver....

      Mercedes does have quite a bit of SPAM themselves. We get the "Mercedes" magazine, and get regular invites to view the new Mercedes. It is SPAM... The thing is that Mercedes actually does this very tactfully, and very carefully. Personally I don't actually mind it. Actually with Mercedes you feel nice.

      For example, (probably others offer the service as well), whenever I take my Mercedes in to get the tires changed (winter, summer, replacement) or to get a checkup they clean my car. And they spray it with nice perfume, etc. It is nice...

      Would I buy a Mercedes again? Heck yes! Do I hate their SPAM? Heck no...

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    5. Re:Lexus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whatever their other failings, I do not think you will see this type of thing from companies like BMW or Mercedes.

      This is where you are wrong. All of the major car companies are trying to do this. Ever since OnStar came on the market about 10 years ago, the driving force behind telematics devices has been the ability to communicate with the consumer. (The fact that the consumer might get something out of it is purely incidental.)

      In this case, Toyota is merely trying to catch up to Honda. Since 2005, most Acura vehicles with a navigation system come equipped with the "Honda Information Platform". This device uses the XM satellite radio network to deliver communiques from Honda to drivers and can target individual vehicles or groups of vehicles. (Incidentally, the consumer gets real-time traffic information out of the system as a benefit.)

      In both cases the threat of "spamming" is overblown. Almost certainly Toyota is following Honda in allowing car buyers to opt-out of the service; and, even if they don't, they still need to take some positive action to actually play the messages that are broadcast to them. (A little icon pops up on the screen and if you press it, the message is read to you.)

    6. Re:Lexus by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

      This isn't limited just to Mercedes... Subaru has Drive! magazine, and BMW has BMW Magazine (which is a paid subscription, but often included with a new car). These are just the two I know of because I still get Drive! in the mail occasionally despite the fact I haven't owned a Subaru in a while...

      All car manufacturers "spam" their purchasers... particularly in the more premium marques. Personally, I don't mind it at all... the magazines make good light fluff reading material when I can't be bothered with a book (or don't have time), and at their worst they light my fireplace just as well as anything else... ;)

      Yes, I'd drive a Subaru again if they produced something I wanted. As it is, I'm probably a Bimmer customer for life at this point because the car is just so perfect for my driving style, and the current generation of 3 series is not radically different in driving feel from the last (the E90 as opposed to the E46 I own at the moment).

      Like you, my experience with my Bimmer has been nothing short of stellar, despite a head gasket failure about a year ago... but that happens. As it stands, I just turned over 100,000 miles and need to replace my shift bushings... but other than that the car is as tight as the day I bought it. Can't complain about that at all.

      Oh, and on-topic... I can't for the life of me imagine why this Lexus idea is a good one. It's just such an horrible idea... if I was even interested in the marque, this would definitely steer me well clear of a Lexus dealer when I am shopping for my new car. Pity... I was actually thinking about test driving an IS until I read this...

  66. DO NOT WANT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF are they thinking? You pay for a luxury car, and they make you listen to audio SPAM? Fuck that. I think they're going to find that their sales are going to DROP over this, unless they make it OPT-IN only. Assholes!

  67. Losing Money by alcmaeon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Let's think about this: Toyota's engineers think drivers want to be spammed. Toyota loses money for the first time in 50 years. Connection?

    1. Re:Losing Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What hit you in the head hard enough to make you think this was the engineers' idea? I'm thinking "piano" as a conservative example.

    2. Re:Losing Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely it was a VP who thought it was a good idea. I can't tell you how many times I've had to develop a solution because a VP thought, "I like this, so everyone else must want it too!" One of the least-used yet most labor-intesive products I've developed started life from HHH deciding he liked web cams.

    3. Re:Losing Money by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Let's think about this: Toyota's engineers think drivers want to be spammed.

      I wouldn't qualify as "thinking" a process that leads someone to say that engineers must have come up with this idea, and not marketing drones.

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    4. Re:Losing Money by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry, but as an engineer, I'm going to have to join the chorus of replies calling you a moron.

      An engineer would never come up with an idea as brainless as this car spam idea, only a marketing droid or executive. In fact, engineers in today's large companies rarely come up with bright ideas (when they do, they don't bother to tell anyone, because they'll be rejected anyway). Engineers just do what they're told by executives and other bosses. There is a class of former engineers who have crossed over into the dark side of management who do come up with stupid ideas like this spam one, however, but they're not true engineers. In fact, people like that, while they may work for a while as an engineer, were never great engineers to begin with, and were always more interested in getting into management than doing anything technically great.

  68. I predict ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... lots of business at car audio dealers as Lexus owners have after-market units installed.

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  69. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by binpajama · · Score: 2, Funny

    Can you give the Darwin award to a car maker?

    Which one?

  70. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    http://www.darwinawards.com/

  71. Possible messages by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    Sample message 1:

    Lexus has upgraded its user registration system. In order to maintain control of your vehicle please speak your social security number, date of birth and bank routing number into the voice activated navigation system.

    Sample message 2:

    Now driving to Tijuana Pharmacy where you will purchase medz like Vi@g ra at wholesale prices in order to regain control of your car.

  72. Obligatory 2001 Reference by Plekto · · Score: 1

    Dave... Your car is overdue for its oil change.
    "Thank you - I'll wait a week."
    I really think it would be best to take advantage of the special that they are running this week.
    "I said no."
    It is only $19.95. I hear they have free coffee.
    "Darn it... where is that off button?"
    "I can tell that you are unhappy with me, Dave."
    (car starts driving itself to the dealership)

  73. So what? by BCW2 · · Score: 1

    This is what happens when you buy the Japanese knockoff of a Mercedes.

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  74. Detroit won't be far behind by userw014 · · Score: 1

    I am sure that Detroit is investigating this new technology even as as we blather here.
    I would have expected something this gauche to come from Detroit first.
    Now I think that it's an attempt by Lexus to get Detroit to do it (b adly, but could there be any other way?) followed quickly by Lexus abandoning this appalling idea.

  75. Well I know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...what I'm not buying for my next car.

  76. Lexus by caitsith01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    To repeat a comment from another Lexus-related thread:

    Do Americans realise that a Lexus is (a) just a Toyota with a different badge and (b) not really regarded as a prestige car outside the US?

    I am constantly taken aback by referenced in US films, TV shows etc to Lexii as though they are a status symbol of some worth.

    Whatever their other failings, I do not think you will see this type of thing from companies like BMW or Mercedes.

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  77. What the ? by kbsoftware · · Score: 1

    I would imagine all dealerships that sell competing luxury cars are just dancing with joy when you will hear about this. Lexus is committing suicide. Does Toyota have any moronic thoughts of doing this to any other of their lines of cars, trucks etc. ? Just want to know if I need to be treating Toyota like it was the plaque or just Lexus ?

  78. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know about these days, but I do know that "a lot" used to be two words.

  79. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by tftp · · Score: 1

    A lot of people used to buy a brand new car every 2 or 3 years.

  80. I can see it now by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
    Ad-subsidized Lexuses!

    At the low end will be LexusZero; and at the high end will be LOL, Lexus Online.

  81. Ugh by CmSpuD · · Score: 1

    If I'd bought a new lexus I'd want the company to spam me with 1UZ v8 noises. It'd make me think I'd bought a car with balls. If I wanted a car to be driven in I'd buy something else.

  82. meanest comment ever by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If the lexus buyers are compensating for something... what sort of spam do you think would be relevant? seriously, I really did laugh out loud.

  83. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 1

    I thought Japanese auto companies were smart and customer oriented.

  84. Lexus just made my list! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Of brands NOT to buy!

  85. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  86. Coming Soon: by stokessd · · Score: 1

    Adblock pro - Lexus Edition: This new edition will block all incoming ads to the audio system, and it prevents the heated seats from turning of prematurely.

    Sheldon

  87. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by PachmanP · · Score: 2, Funny

    Car companies are intelligently designed, not evolved. OK, maybe not intelligently, but they're definitely designed rather than evolved through sexual reproduction. I'd say no.

    I dunno. If you look through the who owns who and the who's partnered with whom in the car industry, I'd say sexual reproduction is probably a pretty good description of what goes on. Well sexual reproduction with alot of incest going on.

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  88. Obtrusive by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1

    I recently switched to RealPlayer (!) at work to listen to the shoutcast stream I usually listen to because connecting to the VPN seemed to make WinAmp crash.

    I already thought that RealPlayer sucked, but was completely dismayed when audio ads started playing OVER THE STREAM AUDIO. And, for QUITE A LONG TIME. It happened several times before I figured out that, no matter what, my first mission was to stop loading whatever is trying to load in that crappy pseudo-browser interface in the player.

    I have no idea what they were trying to sell me, and I don't care. It was simply offensive to have that audio colliding with what I was trying to listen to. So, Real loses out because there *would have been* a graphical ad which I could put up with if I didn't think it were going to load an obtrusive audio track.

    I can only imagine that this Lexus spam will have the same exact effect. It doesn't even make sense. Lexus drivers will probably already be trying to listen to their Enya CD or something, or their fancy Satellite Radio. But to have to endure spam over top of what they are trying to listen to will SUCK. SUCK SUCK SUCK.

    On the plus side, they could just add a button to navigate you to wherever sells what they're trying to sell. Even automatically drive you there. That will be awesome.

    Oh well, at least I'm too poor to own a Lexus.

  89. isnt that what the radio aruldy does by luther349 · · Score: 0

    i mean it to you cant liston to the radio without ads ads ads music ads ads ads. now even more ads. but i agree if my cars gonna have ads i want the car for free. kinda like how nascar drivers get there rides and paychecks.

  90. Re:Amazing... UniMatrix 001 in the by davidsyes · · Score: 1

    Toyota Lexus-Nexus???? (LOL)

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  91. Depends how good the system is... by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    How long before the first law suit claiming the ad is responsible for whatever driving calamity happened?

    Probably not very long if the system really works: "Has this ad just distracted you and caused an accident? Call Deville and associates at 1-800-SUE-LEXUS."

  92. my choice of new cars just got easier... by ridgecritter · · Score: 1

    with Lexus removed from the list. Jaysus! In what world would being spammed by your car be a marketing plus? Not in mine, never.

  93. Sales lost already by JM78 · · Score: 1

    I am coming into the market for a new automobile. I have owned a 1999 Acura TL for the last 10 years and it's time to upgrade. I am just starting my search for a new luxury automobile and looking at what Lexus has to offer has been on my list. I have watched targeted advertising creep into every facet of my life where given the chance. I absolutely HATE unsolicited advertisement. When I want a product I go looking for it. Perhaps 1% of what I buy in an entire year is the result of an advertisement for something I didn't know existed - and 99% of the time it was something I saw at a mall kiosk or on a billboard. I do everything I can to rid my life of the advertisement pest: Adblock, Flashblock, DVR, No Land-line, Postal-mail filter, MUTE! MUTE! MUTE! And our homeowner association restricts solicitors so traveling salesmen don't piss me off by ringing my doorbell during dinner. My absolute first reaction to unsolicited advertisement is to boycott out of spite. I'm already inundated with ads EVERYWHERE I GO. I subscribe to specific catalogs, websites and magazines and am happy to look at those advertisements. If I didn't ask for it however, I don't want it and your company certainly isn't getting a penny out of my pocket. Yelling at me through the TV or printing things in bright red makes you LESS likely to sell to me.

    Lexus just lost the option to see me in their show rooms. I will be crossing them off my list for even considering this invasion of privacy - if it's used it will eventually be abused. I don't consider this a LUXURY OPTION.

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  94. Off topic, maybe but... by bikehorn · · Score: 1

    "Imagine the fun that some targeted malware could do - not that such a thing could happen to a Lexus. "

    What an appallingly badly worded sentence. Targeted malware would be "doing fun" ? Help us, dear God...

  95. This is government mandated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Toyota (parent company of Lexus) was required to do this under the terms of the GM bailout.

  96. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by jrumney · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They know this, and yet they violate the sanctity of that cocoon anyways. How self-destructively stupid can you get? Can you give the Darwin award to a car maker?

    I can just imagine the scene in Toyota's boardroom.

    Sir, all the other major car manufacturers are getting government assistance.

    - Dammit, why aren't we getting some.

    Because we aren't in as desparate a situation as they are.

    - Hmmm, what can we do to get ourselves a piece of the government pie?

    Well, we could try losing some customers by pissing them off. I suggest starting with the most demanding customers - the Lexus buyers.

    - Excellent idea, we could try spamming them, that would be sure to work, everyone hates spam. Now lets award ourselves bonuses for coming up with this brilliant plan. We can cover it by telling the shareholders there'll be no dividends this year because of the financial situation.

  97. Here's the ad preview by poliopteragriseoapte · · Score: 1

    "Dear estimated Lexus Driver, we would like to remind you that you are 1,000 miles over the maintenance limit [set ridiculously low at every 3,000 miles, instead of every 7,500 as specified in the manual]. We at your local auto dealer on Rotten Fish Ave are running a special promotion: change cilinder gasket, and get two free..." Yeeeeechhh. Well, this cured me of Lexus lust.

  98. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it might be an add to remind you to buy one for the misses, too.

    In my experience, making it bigger doesn't usually make up for missing, but I'm not one to judge...

  99. They'd better be some damn good adverts by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    The lost sales of only a single car will take a while to recoup at only $0.02 per advert.

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  100. the only messages should be by advocate_one · · Score: 2, Insightful

    safety related like "it's icy today, please drive carefully", and notifications of recalls and messages alerting you to traffic conditions. And maybe the odd advert for a local garage to carry out a service when it's due.

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    1. Re:the only messages should be by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      In the middle of a Massachusetts blizzard with 7" of packed snow on the ground, people still drive their crappy 2WD pickup trucks at 40MPH and can be seen regularly plowing into telephone poles.

      Thank goodness for modern technology telling me how hazardous the conditions are! The roads aren't so great either.

    2. Re:the only messages should be by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      safety related like "it's icy today, please drive carefully"

      If you're so thick you need to be told that by your car, you shouldn't be driving in the first place.

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    3. Re:the only messages should be by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      hey, it might not be icy where you are when starting the journey... like it wasn't this morning for me, but 2 miles down the road it was...

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      Donald 'Duck' Dunn: We had a band powerful enough to turn goat piss into gasoline.
  101. if the car is add sponsered, by Beer-o-clock · · Score: 1

    if the car is partly ad sponsered, would it be reduced in price?

    who'd by a ugly POS like a lexus anyway?

  102. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    who is more likely to be ready to buy a new car than someone that just bought a brand new one.

    The guy who just totalled his new car because he was distracted by adverts?

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  103. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    A lot of finance companies used to buy brand new cars for people who couldn't afford them.

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    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  104. Mod parent up by u38cg · · Score: 1

    +1, Scarily Plausible

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  105. Re:This won't go well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, he's actually in the back of the car, reading a script. An actor has to make a living also you know.

  106. Cocoons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen the movies. I know what sort of thing coes out of a cocoon. Burn them, burn them! Before it is too late!

  107. This is just the sort of thing.... by Mr3vil · · Score: 1

    This is JUST the sort of thing that would make Lexus' target demographic drive STRAIGHT back to the dealership and either yell at the service department to make the car STFU, or toss the keys back in the sales person's face. I know I would. If the dealer wouldn't take it back I'd then probably pull the fuse from the stereo or whatever gadget was giving me the ads (assuming it didn't disable the engine, which actually would further provoke me.) Bottom line, unless the message is based upon a service interval and is EASILY disabled, nobody wants the vehicle they just paid 40k+ for giving them any sort of advertisements. Definitely suicide on Toyota's/Lexus' part.

  108. A Lexus Owner Point of View by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a Lexus owner I would not want this at all. But if I had too then they better offer me the vehicle for free. My time is valuable - after all I could afford a Lexus.

  109. Security Holes by The+Altruist · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming this will work similar to cell-phones. In that case, what keeps Joe Spammer from hacking the technology, sending his own "INCREASE YOUR MANHOOD NOW!" while you're taking your children to school? Something to think about.

  110. Lexus Owners Should Charge Lexus for the Ads by srobert · · Score: 1

    Dear Lexus,
      When I purchased this vehicle, I also took ownership of the audio receiving equipment in the vehicle. The next time I hear an advertisement from your company in my vehicle, I'm going to interpret that as an implicit acceptance of my offer to you, to broadcast your ads over MY equipment, at a low cost of $1000 per broadcast. It is a pleasure doing business with you.
    Sincerely,
    Lexus Owner.

  111. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Alioth · · Score: 1

    I'd say buggery, more than sexual reproduction.

  112. Piece of Cake. No lie! by Heffenfeffer · · Score: 1
    This is quite possibly the best idea ever.

    *when leaving car*
    "You did it! The Lexus brought you luck! Unfortunately, the Lexus cannot accompany you any further, and must be euthanized. State and local regulations prevent you from leaving your Lexus alone and companionless. If your Lexus could talk - and the Enrichment Center reminds you that it cannot - it would tell you that it would rather die in a fire than inconvience you."

    *after a crash*
    "Spectacular. You appear to understand how the Lexus conserves momentum - or to be more precise, how it does not. All Lexus technologies remain safely operational up to 4000 degrees Kelvin. Rest assured that there is absolutely no chance of a dangerous equipment malfunction prior to your victory candescence. Goodbye."

    *when coming out of repair shop*
    "Remember when the Lexus caught on fire and I said, "Goodbye." and you were like, "No Way!" and then I was all "We pretended that we were going to murder you? That was great."

  113. Subsidy ? by billcopc · · Score: 1

    Does this mean a Lexus will cost less than the identical Toyota ? You would have to pay me a lot of money to blare random "upscale" ads over my Will Smith CDs :P Actually you would have to pay me a lot more to get me to drive a goddamned Lexus, but that's beside the point.

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    -Billco, Fnarg.com
  114. Re:Lexus has promised to make the messages relevan by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

    ...the marketing department having recently decided to increase the volume because a large segment of their target demographic is hard of hearing?

    Nah... that'd be the Cadillac buyers...

  115. Re:This won't go well by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    driver: yes car, maybe we should get something for Todd.
    car with Shatner's voice: Excuse me....What..would...Todd ..need....with a Starbucks?

  116. Would the Lexus be free then? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I listen to ads, would the car be free then?