Sure it's better if employees are smiling and are generally happy. Who's arguing? But it would be much better if they behaved that way because they are genuinely happy instead of the corporation forcing them to while underpaying them and treating them like crap behind the scenes.
beelsebob is correct that C has nothing to do with functional programming languages such as Lisp or Haskell. You may be mistaking it for procedural programming language, which C is. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedural_programming] These are very different concepts. What IS interesting is that your posts got +4 and +3 mod points. I guess it shows the level of computer science education among slashdotters.
"raise prices, LOWER DIVIDENDS, lower wages, and offer fewer jobs."
The corporations had NO problem doing the other three for years now. They HAVE BEEN lowering wages (except for the upper management) and offering FEWER JOBS for years. But God forbid they have to pay the useless rich scum less in dividends. This would be so un-American. So fair you know...
American companies DON'T move to Asia. They move their production there, while the fuckface CEO and scum from marketing are happy to stay in the US to enjoy all the fruits of civilized country paid for by the taxes on everybody else. And the civilized society is paid for by the goddam taxes levied by the "evil" government, which happens to be elected by all the voters(despite all the problems) and not the "board" of CEO's college buddies.
Your argument presents false dichotomy and is invalid. You assume that our only two choices are current capitalism with all the crap that comes with it, or some generic non-free state. How about a sane, regulated capitalism that works FOR the society and not just uses the society as a source of profit for the few? How about socialism with SOME elements of market economy and political freedom to avoid stagnation while keeping citizens happy and secure?
And no, socialism does not automatically mean totalitarianism.
It takes a special kind of sick mind and irrational hate toward people organizing to protect their livelihood to convert this financial fraud story into retarded anti-union rant.
***Capitalism*** is evil. A harsh statement, granted. But when you see the 100s of millions of people it has enslaved for the benefit of the few people at the top, there's no other word for it but evil.
Give me a break. Who are you trying to convince that some regular guy gets the "same" amount of attention and rescue effort as this "famous" fag?? What planet have you been living on? Get past your 12-year-old mentality and take a long hard look at the contemporary American society.
The fact that this illogical, anti-socialist rant is rated 4, Insightful really tells how brainwashed and idiotic people are on SD, and in the US in general. Pretty sad.
>> open source development model will lead to better outcomes
Sure, "eventually", given enough time and effort. But commercial model is much faster at producing a sellable/licensable product and thus at making real money for everyone involved, from developers to testers to management to investors. And money is very important, even if it's not everything.
>> until customer service will be the last thing on their minds
Yeah, like currently it's one of their priorities... riiiiiight. That's why they: - make you wait in queues forever - underpay and overwork their customer service stuff so they can't provide good service even if they want to - hire underqualified people to pay them less - outsource the whole thing to another continent
Must some ignorant a$$hole always mention their simplistic eating/exercising nonsense despite numerous scientific articles pointing out that obesity is a complex problem with no single cause for everyone? Get a clue.
No, they reward 'cooperation' and 'mutual support'. I know it's a strange concept for brainwashed drones but try to grasp it. Those concepts define humanity and help us survive. Even if current state of American society doesn't reward those in short term, they are still vital in long term. They also make society a nicer place to live, as opposed to breeding cutthroat scum we see today. Your anekdotal 'evidence' is laughable.
>>It's also because unions are often famously controlled by organized crime.
Stop repeating this outdated lie. Mafia was involved in unions to some degree in the past, but its influence has been marginalized since 80s. Mafia is/was also involved in many other areas of society, for instance it's been controlling many businesses as well. This doesn't make businesses evil, so blaming unions for mafia involvement is ridiculous.
>>Unions are parasitic. They are better for the individual worker, but worse for the economy; co-ops would have been better for everyone but we're not there and probably never will be.
More bullshit. Larger economy without fair wealth distribution results in rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, just like we see today. Wealth concentration at the top increased dramatically since 70s, while real wages dropped during the same period.
On another hand, unions promote professionalism.
Anti-union rhetoric mainly comes from non-unionized incompetents who envy better wages and working conditions, and from business types who hate to pay fair wages to anyone but themselves.
"this event displaced tens of thousands of people"
The displacement was in the MILLIONS. The area was densely populated. Also, Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, was nearby, about 3 mln. residents. I was there when this happened. As soon as the rumors of what actually happened started to spread, everyone who could, left. It was close to ghost town all summer and for the next year, probably 2.5 mln left, very few people remained. Some left forever. Overall, probably close to 7-10 mln moved.
Stick your free market bullshit up your stinking ass. Your fucking "free market" simply does not work for most people benefit, only for a few rich motherfuckers. But for the majority of normal people, we need a strong govenrnment to keep the rich pigs in check.
What "some other way"? Specific, please. I am SO fucking tired of idiots like you bullshitting how everyobdy who lost their jobs recently will "just find another job". Manufactring to China, programming to India, telemarketing just out... WHAT fucking other jobs with comparable salaries have been created? Again, be fucking specific, company names, regions, number or positions, salaries... or go fuck yourself, dickhead.
Funny, especially since you prominently display it yourself. Not surprising, this is usually the case with morons like you. They are talking about losing JOBS, you are arguing about more MONEY. They might be making more in PROFIT from targeting ads BUT the fact that JOBS aka POSITIONS will be list is beyond doubt for a reasonable person. Which you are not.
Oh, please. Everytime people start talking about hundreds of millions of poor, some idiot like you jumps out and points to ONE example whom the rich allowed to move up specifically for the purpose of making an example of him. Leave this bullshit to yourself please.
Your freedom to make money ends where it begins to conflict with mine freedom to have a decent life. You do not "make" money in vacuum, you "make" them living in a society, and most successful means to do this currently are by exploiting others and limiting their freedom. This must stop, or else.
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Sure it's better if employees are smiling and are generally happy. Who's arguing? But it would be much better if they behaved that way because they are genuinely happy instead of the corporation forcing them to while underpaying them and treating them like crap behind the scenes.
beelsebob is correct that C has nothing to do with functional programming languages such as Lisp or Haskell. You may be mistaking it for procedural programming language, which C is.
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procedural_programming]
These are very different concepts. What IS interesting is that your posts got +4 and +3 mod points. I guess it shows the level of computer science education among slashdotters.
You capitalized the wrong words. It should be:
"raise prices, LOWER DIVIDENDS, lower wages, and offer fewer jobs."
The corporations had NO problem doing the other three for years now. They HAVE BEEN lowering wages (except for the upper management) and offering FEWER JOBS for years. But God forbid they have to pay the useless rich scum less in dividends. This would be so un-American. So fair you know...
American companies DON'T move to Asia. They move their production there, while the fuckface CEO and scum from marketing are happy to stay in the US to enjoy all the fruits of civilized country paid for by the taxes on everybody else. And the civilized society is paid for by the goddam taxes levied by the "evil" government, which happens to be elected by all the voters(despite all the problems) and not the "board" of CEO's college buddies.
P.S. You are an idiot.
"inevitable side effect"
Your argument presents false dichotomy and is invalid. You assume that our only two choices are current capitalism with all the crap that comes with it, or some generic non-free state. How about a sane, regulated capitalism that works FOR the society and not just uses the society as a source of profit for the few? How about socialism with SOME elements of market economy and political freedom to avoid stagnation while keeping citizens happy and secure?
And no, socialism does not automatically mean totalitarianism.
It takes a special kind of sick mind and irrational hate toward people organizing to protect their livelihood to convert this financial fraud story into retarded anti-union rant.
Amazing.
Fixed that for you:
***Capitalism*** is evil. A harsh statement, granted. But when you see the 100s of millions of people it has enslaved for the benefit of the few people at the top, there's no other word for it but evil.
Give me a break. Who are you trying to convince that some regular guy gets the "same" amount of attention and rescue effort as this "famous" fag?? What planet have you been living on? Get past your 12-year-old mentality and take a long hard look at the contemporary American society.
The fact that this illogical, anti-socialist rant is rated 4, Insightful really tells how brainwashed and idiotic people are on SD, and in the US in general. Pretty sad.
>> open source development model will lead to better outcomes
Sure, "eventually", given enough time and effort. But commercial model is much faster at producing a sellable/licensable product and thus at making real money for everyone involved, from developers to testers to management to investors. And money is very important, even if it's not everything.
>> until customer service will be the last thing on their minds
Yeah, like currently it's one of their priorities... riiiiiight. That's why they:
- make you wait in queues forever
- underpay and overwork their customer service stuff so they can't provide good service even if they want to
- hire underqualified people to pay them less
- outsource the whole thing to another continent
Must some ignorant a$$hole always mention their simplistic eating/exercising nonsense despite numerous scientific articles pointing out that obesity is a complex problem with no single cause for everyone? Get a clue.
>>It's because Unions reward mediocrity.
No, they reward 'cooperation' and 'mutual support'. I know it's a strange concept for brainwashed drones but try to grasp it. Those concepts define humanity and help us survive. Even if current state of American society doesn't reward those in short term, they are still vital in long term. They also make society a nicer place to live, as opposed to breeding cutthroat scum we see today.
Your anekdotal 'evidence' is laughable.
>>It's also because unions are often famously controlled by organized crime.
Stop repeating this outdated lie. Mafia was involved in unions to some degree in the past, but its influence has been marginalized since 80s. Mafia is/was also involved in many other areas of society, for instance it's been controlling many businesses as well. This doesn't make businesses evil, so blaming unions for mafia involvement is ridiculous.
>>Unions are parasitic. They are better for the individual worker, but worse for the economy; co-ops would have been better for everyone but we're not there and probably never will be.
More bullshit. Larger economy without fair wealth distribution results in rich getting richer, poor getting poorer, just like we see today. Wealth concentration at the top increased dramatically since 70s, while real wages dropped during the same period.
On another hand, unions promote professionalism.
Anti-union rhetoric mainly comes from non-unionized incompetents who envy better wages and working conditions, and from business types who hate to pay fair wages to anyone but themselves.
"this event displaced tens of thousands of people"
The displacement was in the MILLIONS. The area was densely populated. Also, Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, was nearby, about 3 mln. residents. I was there when this happened. As soon as the rumors of what actually happened started to spread, everyone who could, left. It was close to ghost town all summer and for the next year, probably 2.5 mln left, very few people remained. Some left forever. Overall, probably close to 7-10 mln moved.
"Score:5, Interesting" ?????
-50 stupid troll sounds 'bout right
What IDIOTS marked this crap 4 Interesting???
That's exactly the conclusion I've come. I've been reading about the fall of roman empire for a while, and the future doen't look too bright...
Stick your free market bullshit up your stinking ass. Your fucking "free market" simply does not work for most people benefit, only for a few rich motherfuckers. But for the majority of normal people, we need a strong govenrnment to keep the rich pigs in check.
Then why the fuck does america bullshit the whole world about democracy? while having PLUTOCRACY itself
What "some other way"? Specific, please. I am SO fucking tired of idiots like you bullshitting how everyobdy who lost their jobs recently will "just find another job". Manufactring to China, programming to India, telemarketing just out... WHAT fucking other jobs with comparable salaries have been created? Again, be fucking specific, company names, regions, number or positions, salaries... or go fuck yourself, dickhead.
>> I cannot stand bad thinking.
Funny, especially since you prominently display it yourself. Not surprising, this is usually the case with morons like you. They are talking about losing JOBS, you are arguing about more MONEY. They might be making more in PROFIT from targeting ads BUT the fact that JOBS aka POSITIONS will be list is beyond doubt for a reasonable person. Which you are not.
No fucking shit, the moron won't use linux becaues he can't figure out how to copy/paste. This is SO pathetic. What a fucking idiot!
Please get a clue before opening your mouth
Oh, please. Everytime people start talking about hundreds of millions of poor, some idiot like you jumps out and points to ONE example whom the rich allowed to move up specifically for the purpose of making an example of him. Leave this bullshit to yourself please.
Your freedom to make money ends where it begins to conflict with mine freedom to have a decent life. You do not "make" money in vacuum, you "make" them living in a society, and most successful means to do this currently are by exploiting others and limiting their freedom. This must stop, or else.