I noticed a pretty sharp contrast between you asking for evidence of nuclear power working well, and you providing evidence of nuclear power not working well... Let's compare:
Name me one nuclear power station that actually went into operation and stayed within budget while it was constructed, operated and shut down agian.
Given the long lifespan of nuclear power plants, a significant portion of them are still operating today. Asking for an example that completed its entire lifespan is basically asking for the first-of-a-kind reactors and very early generation when people were still learning the hard way. You are bound to see tons of costly mistakes made that were corrected by the industry as they followed in the footsteps of the pioneers.
So, that's the level of detail that you ask for, and this is what you provide in support of your argument:
And I think it's not uncommon that governments have to financially assist companies when reactors are decommissioned.
So, you think... but you provide no source or examples. You give no background on the situation that may have caused this hypothetical, but it is clearly a bad one.
And how do you propose that happens? I'm guessing you are unaware of the fact that all modern nuclear power plants have a negative Moderator Temperature Coefficient. A positive MTC as in Chernobyl means that an increased in temperature causes an increase in power (which loops back on itself).
It's also happening on my Motorola Backflip on AT&T's network. I was hoping that the 2.1 update (Backflips are still on 1.5 at the moment) was going to fix that, but it sounds like it won't.
Keep in mind that there's a difference between input latency (which this story is talking about) and multiplayer network latency that you are talking about. In the case of multiplayer games, there is generally enough code on the client-side to predict what your screen will look like so that it feels snappy to you. Regarding getting hit through walls, that happens because the server doesn't think that you are behind the corner yet, so you are still a viable target to your opponent. The original quake didn't have any of the movement prediction, so there was movement input lag when you played online - thus when you thought you were behind cover, you really were. It still let you move your mouse without waiting for the server to agree that you were facing the new direction (every modern FPS does this as well as let the client predict movement before waiting for the server to agree). OnLive, on the other hand, will affect both movement input and mouse control input with this increased latency.
Basically, a good LCD HDTV can add 40-80ms of input lag, and hardcore gamers such as myself complain about that (justifiably so). OnLive adds this same kind of latency. If it really is 150-200ms before multiplayer network latency, it is indeed useless for playing multiplayer games online.
> 1. Quote and trade data must be time stamped by the exchanges at the time it is generated. This will ensure delays can be detected by everyone.
This data is already timestamped by all US exchanges. Data delays are mainly due to line delay and application delays that can be measured quite acccurately. Not many people do it properly though. Many does not look at it at all. For individual long-term investor (5+ years) it does not matter at all anyway.
Correction - It doesn't affect long-term investors until it causes instability and uncertainty about the general effectiveness of the market.
> 3. Add a simple 50 millisecond quote expiration rule: a quote must remain active until it is executed or 50ms elapses.
Why exclude Alaska/Hawaiii? What if US citizen wants to trade from Baghdad Green zone and it takes 500ms to get signal there via sattelite link? Should we change thange the rules to accomodate that? Or should we allow people to compete by improving their systems?
He's saying that instead of giving 0.01% of the US population an advantage, we should level the playing field so that 95% of us are on even terms. His suggestion seems to be aimed such that it doesn't break too much of how the system (properly) works, but perhaps if you try to accommodate 100% of the potential traders it goes too far. I could be wrong though - maybe even a 1 second limit would be a good thing.
I think it's this story in particular that has surprisingly bad mods. I bet someone saw a flashy looking E (€) and went "holy shit, that's cool! [mods insightful]".... *hopes for an insightful mod*
I disagree. The Internet is equal to old mass media at repeating bad information, even if it's just subtly bad. Also, it doesn't need to be from a government or corporation for some moron in the media to pick it up and run with it. There are plenty of examples of Greenpeace releases being picked up by the media.
And it seems that you cant install apps directly using an AT&T android phone.
On the surface, it seems that way. But if you install the SDK, you can install whatever app you want (that works for version 1.5 of the OS).
I own a Backflip, and I'm pretty happy with it. It's my first Android phone, but I don't really see any major advantage that my dad's Droid has over the Backflip aside from a faster processor.
Interesting note: if you have a grandfathered plan and want to change the account holder's name, then the grandfathered plan will be removed. I wanted to change my mom's and my accounts to be under my name to be eligible for a discount from my employer, and they said that my mom would be required to pick up a data plan. The discount wouldn't have accounted for the cost of a data plan.
Are you aware that if you used the same amount of data in the new plans you would save at least $5/month on each of your accounts, and possibly $15/month on your wife's?
That being said, I have AT&T, and I am thoroughly annoyed at them for reasons entirely separate of this change in future plans. One reason is that they only have a single model of a protective case for the Backflip that appears to have gone without being tested for more than 2 days (it begans breaking apart shortly thereafter - it even has a 1.4/5 on at&t's own damn site). Another is that in order to just change the account holder's name from my Dad's to mine (for purposes of a discount), then all of the accounts that are tied together have a processing fee. Furthermore, my Mom's account, which currently has no data plan, would be required to pick up a data plan if I were to have them change the account holder's name.
Of course, the sales reps didn't mention a damn bit of this to me when I asked them in the store what to do - they just told me to call their support line, and that everything would be fine.
Although a little outdated, mmogchart had the total number of active MMO subscriptions at less than 20 million in 2008. Makes you wonder 1) what % of those 44 million are inactive accounts, and 2) what do they do when they find an inactive account - scrap it, save it, or purchase an untraceable game-time card to reactivate?
If their methods for stealing logins are that advanced, do you think they have some sort of organization of those inactive accounts by likelihood of them containing enough loot to be worth it?
Hrm. I had not heard this, but a quick google search turned up that it's a little different than implied. Seems like an urban legend. That link is from 2008 though - got anything newer?
Well, you have to consider what would happen if we increased our percentage of solar power generation to the levels that some advocate. I think it's a valid question.
In a similar light, when you talk about large wind farms that may require new regulations - such regulations would only increase the cost of wind power. It's already much more expensive than nuclear, and it has gotten more subsidies per megawatt-hour generated than nuclear. The final cost of this type of power does not seem to be particularly competitive.
Nuclear has a huge advantage in terms of scalability and concentrated power (both in terms of volume of fuel to power generated, and in terms of land taken up to power generated).
Page 15-19 has a information on wind-power accidents. I don't think there is any debate on fossil fuels issues for the general public, right?
I don't have any info about solar-power related deaths on-hand, but it involves people attempting to clean their roofs and falling to their deaths. I could dig it up if you really want.
Your statement basically boils down to saying that the only way for utilities to make money is by cutting corners, right? In the world of nuclear power plants, that isn't the case at all.
A great way to make more money for the operating plants is very simple - improve equipment reliability so that they can be running at full power at a larger percentage of the time. We call this number the capacity factor. The nuke plants in this country average over 90% capacity factor. For comparison, coal is the next closest at 70%. Solar/Wind are closer to 20-30%.
Given the strict regulations from the NRC, the smallest equipment failure can force the plant to enter a technical specification where power is reduced. The way that nukes get around this is simple - they (very) proactively monitor and replace equipment. If something unexpectedly fails, they find out why and keep a strongly linked database of similar failures so that they can trend such equipment.
Furthermore, the cleaner equipment is, the better it performs. Having a small leak from the primary system to a secondary system may not cause any immediate concern for the general public (unless many other systems start failing too), but it causes more wear and tear on the equipment in that system due to unexpected chemistry. The quicker such issues are addressed (and the more issues that are prevented), the more reliably the plant is run.
The industry also has its own rating system from INPO that helps them stay competitive in a wide range of metrics. It's pretty clear that when plants fail to perform well, they fall behind and are the target of harsh regulations.
Disclaimer: I'm a 25 year old Nuclear Engineer (B.S. in Computer Engineering) in Pennsylvania. I was very pro-nuke prior to starting here a little over a year ago.
You and Dodgy G33za are trying to redefine a word that is well-defined. Perhaps the word you are looking for is "supercritical," but that isn't even a catch all. Meltdown is the most concise.
I've never seen Hollywood misuse the term, but maybe you are mixing it up with a "criticality accident" in which fuel unexpectedly goes critical. Example: spent fuel rods in a spent fuel pool are placed too closely together and go critical. This doesn't result in anything like Chernobyl.
Car analogy: You are saying that your engine and gas tank exploded when it was just your tire that blew out.
And if you got your entire lifetime supply of energy from nuclear power (in the French system) including energy for transportation, you would generate a chunk of nuclear waste the size of a baseball, and it would take 300 years to become radioactively inactive.
Try doing that with any other realistically available source of energy and tell me how much waste you generate and how long it takes to decay into harmless material. I can almost guarantee that it will be many orders of magnitude higher, and it will be toxic for many many years beyond the waste generated by a nuclear power plant.
You don't need Quad damage to get to that exit - you just need to do a combined grenade+rocket jump and another rocket off of the wall to hit it.
Quake has all sorts of other crazy issues aside from those well-known bugs that people exploited back in the way. Nowadays, people found out that if you jump up against a wall that is not parallel or perpendicular to the base set of walls, you can sometimes get stuck... if this happens, 'gravity' continually acts on you, which causes your z velocity to increase negatively while your player isn't moving at all. Eventually, you have enough z velocity to smash into the floor in less than 1 server frame, and that causes you to take 5 damage and make the fall sound that everyone in the game is so familiar with.
Why would you want to do this? Simple - it makes your opponent think that you fell down to some place where you are not.
Deception is king, so people have found new ways to mask their true movements like this.
We even step on exactly the same spot as the person in front of us when walking single file.
Maybe you do, but when I'm walking single file, I don't tend to look down to know where someone is stepping. Then again, I'm 6'7", and I tend to kick people's heels all the time:P.
Alright guy, if you don't believe my source which involves two people who actually have a wealth of information on the topic (the person who shares your view didn't bring up your point once because it is in fact a non-point), then how about this.
It seems pretty widespread that election officials want every form that is filled out, regardless of if it is believed to be falsified or not. After all, do you think it makes sense to allow these groups to selectively decide which registrations are OK to send along to the election officials? But I'm repeating myself here... can you read my longer post up above there and stop acting like a dick?
Source. In that link, there is a debate between Cleta Mitchell (attorney specializing in election law who has represented several Republican legislators, the National Rifle Association and the National Republican Senatorial Committee) and Bertha Lewis, Chief Organizer for ACORN.
Bertha claims the following:
We are nonpartisan. We don't tell people to be one party or another. We just want to make sure that they do vote and that they're not disenfranchised. And so, once we collect cards-and I think your audience ought to know-any time you register someone to vote, you have to turn in every single card, by law, even if it says Mickey Mouse. And what we do is we flag, we tag problematic cards, because we try to confirm and verify that card by calling folks three times. And if we think something even remotely looks suspicious, we tag it, we flag it, we turn it over to election officials. And along with that, we also turn over to election officials the worker that collected those suspicious cards.
Look closely at Cletcha's responses throughout the entire discussion. She never once claimed that they are illegally handing in false registrations. The source of the problem with the false registrations is deeper than you have been led to believe - you are poorly educated on the topic.
If you want me to spell it out for you, I'll do so:
ACORN claims that many citizens who should be eligible to vote aren't eligible because of the restrictions in place of voters needing to provide an ID such as a drivers license. Many poor minorities who are legal citizens of the US don't have such ID's, and thus are prevented from voting. To my knowledge, this is exactly what some loud left-wingers are crying about regarding 2000/2004 being "stolen" - groups of legitimate voters who are known to support their candidate on a larger scale were effectively blocked from voting.
Groups like ACORN are trying to get these laws removed so that the poor minorities aren't blocked from voting.
The problem is that if ACORN get their way, suddenly we can have people (of either side) voting fraudulently without ID. This is, IMO, a terrible idea. We need a better solution.
As for claiming that I made that up instead of just asking for a source... *sigh*. People like you who spend time talking about ACORN turning in fraudulent registrations are getting absolutely nothing accomplished, because you are making a mountain out of a molehill. There are real issues to debate, but you are focusing on the imaginary ones and calling the real ones lies.
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I noticed a pretty sharp contrast between you asking for evidence of nuclear power working well, and you providing evidence of nuclear power not working well... Let's compare:
Name me one nuclear power station that actually went into operation and stayed within budget while it was constructed, operated and shut down agian.
Given the long lifespan of nuclear power plants, a significant portion of them are still operating today. Asking for an example that completed its entire lifespan is basically asking for the first-of-a-kind reactors and very early generation when people were still learning the hard way. You are bound to see tons of costly mistakes made that were corrected by the industry as they followed in the footsteps of the pioneers.
So, that's the level of detail that you ask for, and this is what you provide in support of your argument:
And I think it's not uncommon that governments have to financially assist companies when reactors are decommissioned.
So, you think... but you provide no source or examples. You give no background on the situation that may have caused this hypothetical, but it is clearly a bad one.
This, my friend, is a double standard.
And how do you propose that happens? I'm guessing you are unaware of the fact that all modern nuclear power plants have a negative Moderator Temperature Coefficient. A positive MTC as in Chernobyl means that an increased in temperature causes an increase in power (which loops back on itself).
It's also happening on my Motorola Backflip on AT&T's network. I was hoping that the 2.1 update (Backflips are still on 1.5 at the moment) was going to fix that, but it sounds like it won't.
Keep in mind that there's a difference between input latency (which this story is talking about) and multiplayer network latency that you are talking about. In the case of multiplayer games, there is generally enough code on the client-side to predict what your screen will look like so that it feels snappy to you. Regarding getting hit through walls, that happens because the server doesn't think that you are behind the corner yet, so you are still a viable target to your opponent. The original quake didn't have any of the movement prediction, so there was movement input lag when you played online - thus when you thought you were behind cover, you really were. It still let you move your mouse without waiting for the server to agree that you were facing the new direction (every modern FPS does this as well as let the client predict movement before waiting for the server to agree). OnLive, on the other hand, will affect both movement input and mouse control input with this increased latency.
Basically, a good LCD HDTV can add 40-80ms of input lag, and hardcore gamers such as myself complain about that (justifiably so). OnLive adds this same kind of latency. If it really is 150-200ms before multiplayer network latency, it is indeed useless for playing multiplayer games online.
As long as your initial step takes over half the distance of the pier, we have a deal.
> 1. Quote and trade data must be time stamped by the exchanges at the time it is generated. This will ensure delays can be detected by everyone.
This data is already timestamped by all US exchanges. Data delays are mainly due to line delay and application delays that can be measured quite acccurately. Not many people do it properly though. Many does not look at it at all.
For individual long-term investor (5+ years) it does not matter at all anyway.
Correction - It doesn't affect long-term investors until it causes instability and uncertainty about the general effectiveness of the market.
> 3. Add a simple 50 millisecond quote expiration rule: a quote must remain active until it is executed or 50ms elapses.
Why exclude Alaska/Hawaiii? What if US citizen wants to trade from Baghdad Green zone and it takes 500ms to get signal there via sattelite link? Should we change thange the rules to accomodate that? Or should we allow people to compete by improving their systems?
He's saying that instead of giving 0.01% of the US population an advantage, we should level the playing field so that 95% of us are on even terms. His suggestion seems to be aimed such that it doesn't break too much of how the system (properly) works, but perhaps if you try to accommodate 100% of the potential traders it goes too far. I could be wrong though - maybe even a 1 second limit would be a good thing.
I think it's this story in particular that has surprisingly bad mods. I bet someone saw a flashy looking E (€) and went "holy shit, that's cool! [mods insightful]". ... *hopes for an insightful mod*
I disagree. The Internet is equal to old mass media at repeating bad information, even if it's just subtly bad. Also, it doesn't need to be from a government or corporation for some moron in the media to pick it up and run with it. There are plenty of examples of Greenpeace releases being picked up by the media.
And it seems that you cant install apps directly using an AT&T android phone.
On the surface, it seems that way. But if you install the SDK, you can install whatever app you want (that works for version 1.5 of the OS).
I own a Backflip, and I'm pretty happy with it. It's my first Android phone, but I don't really see any major advantage that my dad's Droid has over the Backflip aside from a faster processor.
Interesting note: if you have a grandfathered plan and want to change the account holder's name, then the grandfathered plan will be removed. I wanted to change my mom's and my accounts to be under my name to be eligible for a discount from my employer, and they said that my mom would be required to pick up a data plan. The discount wouldn't have accounted for the cost of a data plan.
Are you aware that if you used the same amount of data in the new plans you would save at least $5/month on each of your accounts, and possibly $15/month on your wife's?
That being said, I have AT&T, and I am thoroughly annoyed at them for reasons entirely separate of this change in future plans. One reason is that they only have a single model of a protective case for the Backflip that appears to have gone without being tested for more than 2 days (it begans breaking apart shortly thereafter - it even has a 1.4/5 on at&t's own damn site). Another is that in order to just change the account holder's name from my Dad's to mine (for purposes of a discount), then all of the accounts that are tied together have a processing fee. Furthermore, my Mom's account, which currently has no data plan, would be required to pick up a data plan if I were to have them change the account holder's name.
Of course, the sales reps didn't mention a damn bit of this to me when I asked them in the store what to do - they just told me to call their support line, and that everything would be fine.
Although a little outdated, mmogchart had the total number of active MMO subscriptions at less than 20 million in 2008. Makes you wonder 1) what % of those 44 million are inactive accounts, and 2) what do they do when they find an inactive account - scrap it, save it, or purchase an untraceable game-time card to reactivate?
If their methods for stealing logins are that advanced, do you think they have some sort of organization of those inactive accounts by likelihood of them containing enough loot to be worth it?
You're talking about "Tax and Dividend", right? I liked that idea. It really needs more support.
Hrm. I had not heard this, but a quick google search turned up that it's a little different than implied. Seems like an urban legend. That link is from 2008 though - got anything newer?
Pinning that on solar's a little shifty.
Well, you have to consider what would happen if we increased our percentage of solar power generation to the levels that some advocate. I think it's a valid question.
In a similar light, when you talk about large wind farms that may require new regulations - such regulations would only increase the cost of wind power. It's already much more expensive than nuclear, and it has gotten more subsidies per megawatt-hour generated than nuclear. The final cost of this type of power does not seem to be particularly competitive.
Nuclear has a huge advantage in terms of scalability and concentrated power (both in terms of volume of fuel to power generated, and in terms of land taken up to power generated).
http://tedrockwell.typepad.com/files/factsreport2010apr.pdf
Page 15-19 has a information on wind-power accidents. I don't think there is any debate on fossil fuels issues for the general public, right?
I don't have any info about solar-power related deaths on-hand, but it involves people attempting to clean their roofs and falling to their deaths. I could dig it up if you really want.
Your statement basically boils down to saying that the only way for utilities to make money is by cutting corners, right? In the world of nuclear power plants, that isn't the case at all.
A great way to make more money for the operating plants is very simple - improve equipment reliability so that they can be running at full power at a larger percentage of the time. We call this number the capacity factor. The nuke plants in this country average over 90% capacity factor. For comparison, coal is the next closest at 70%. Solar/Wind are closer to 20-30%.
Given the strict regulations from the NRC, the smallest equipment failure can force the plant to enter a technical specification where power is reduced. The way that nukes get around this is simple - they (very) proactively monitor and replace equipment. If something unexpectedly fails, they find out why and keep a strongly linked database of similar failures so that they can trend such equipment.
Furthermore, the cleaner equipment is, the better it performs. Having a small leak from the primary system to a secondary system may not cause any immediate concern for the general public (unless many other systems start failing too), but it causes more wear and tear on the equipment in that system due to unexpected chemistry. The quicker such issues are addressed (and the more issues that are prevented), the more reliably the plant is run.
The industry also has its own rating system from INPO that helps them stay competitive in a wide range of metrics. It's pretty clear that when plants fail to perform well, they fall behind and are the target of harsh regulations.
Disclaimer: I'm a 25 year old Nuclear Engineer (B.S. in Computer Engineering) in Pennsylvania. I was very pro-nuke prior to starting here a little over a year ago.
You and Dodgy G33za are trying to redefine a word that is well-defined. Perhaps the word you are looking for is "supercritical," but that isn't even a catch all. Meltdown is the most concise.
I've never seen Hollywood misuse the term, but maybe you are mixing it up with a "criticality accident" in which fuel unexpectedly goes critical. Example: spent fuel rods in a spent fuel pool are placed too closely together and go critical. This doesn't result in anything like Chernobyl.
Car analogy: You are saying that your engine and gas tank exploded when it was just your tire that blew out.
This is a start in the right direction.
And if you got your entire lifetime supply of energy from nuclear power (in the French system) including energy for transportation, you would generate a chunk of nuclear waste the size of a baseball, and it would take 300 years to become radioactively inactive.
Try doing that with any other realistically available source of energy and tell me how much waste you generate and how long it takes to decay into harmless material. I can almost guarantee that it will be many orders of magnitude higher, and it will be toxic for many many years beyond the waste generated by a nuclear power plant.
You don't need Quad damage to get to that exit - you just need to do a combined grenade+rocket jump and another rocket off of the wall to hit it.
Quake has all sorts of other crazy issues aside from those well-known bugs that people exploited back in the way. Nowadays, people found out that if you jump up against a wall that is not parallel or perpendicular to the base set of walls, you can sometimes get stuck... if this happens, 'gravity' continually acts on you, which causes your z velocity to increase negatively while your player isn't moving at all. Eventually, you have enough z velocity to smash into the floor in less than 1 server frame, and that causes you to take 5 damage and make the fall sound that everyone in the game is so familiar with.
Why would you want to do this? Simple - it makes your opponent think that you fell down to some place where you are not.
Deception is king, so people have found new ways to mask their true movements like this.
We even step on exactly the same spot as the person in front of us when walking single file.
Maybe you do, but when I'm walking single file, I don't tend to look down to know where someone is stepping. Then again, I'm 6'7", and I tend to kick people's heels all the time :P.
Alright guy, if you don't believe my source which involves two people who actually have a wealth of information on the topic (the person who shares your view didn't bring up your point once because it is in fact a non-point), then how about this.
It seems pretty widespread that election officials want every form that is filled out, regardless of if it is believed to be falsified or not. After all, do you think it makes sense to allow these groups to selectively decide which registrations are OK to send along to the election officials? But I'm repeating myself here... can you read my longer post up above there and stop acting like a dick?
Oh, you're a troll. My bad.
Source. In that link, there is a debate between Cleta Mitchell (attorney specializing in election law who has represented several Republican legislators, the National Rifle Association and the National Republican Senatorial Committee) and Bertha Lewis, Chief Organizer for ACORN.
Bertha claims the following:
We are nonpartisan. We don't tell people to be one party or another. We just want to make sure that they do vote and that they're not disenfranchised. And so, once we collect cards-and I think your audience ought to know-any time you register someone to vote, you have to turn in every single card, by law, even if it says Mickey Mouse. And what we do is we flag, we tag problematic cards, because we try to confirm and verify that card by calling folks three times. And if we think something even remotely looks suspicious, we tag it, we flag it, we turn it over to election officials. And along with that, we also turn over to election officials the worker that collected those suspicious cards.
Look closely at Cletcha's responses throughout the entire discussion. She never once claimed that they are illegally handing in false registrations. The source of the problem with the false registrations is deeper than you have been led to believe - you are poorly educated on the topic.
If you want me to spell it out for you, I'll do so:
ACORN claims that many citizens who should be eligible to vote aren't eligible because of the restrictions in place of voters needing to provide an ID such as a drivers license. Many poor minorities who are legal citizens of the US don't have such ID's, and thus are prevented from voting. To my knowledge, this is exactly what some loud left-wingers are crying about regarding 2000/2004 being "stolen" - groups of legitimate voters who are known to support their candidate on a larger scale were effectively blocked from voting.
Groups like ACORN are trying to get these laws removed so that the poor minorities aren't blocked from voting.
The problem is that if ACORN get their way, suddenly we can have people (of either side) voting fraudulently without ID. This is, IMO, a terrible idea. We need a better solution.
As for claiming that I made that up instead of just asking for a source... *sigh*. People like you who spend time talking about ACORN turning in fraudulent registrations are getting absolutely nothing accomplished, because you are making a mountain out of a molehill. There are real issues to debate, but you are focusing on the imaginary ones and calling the real ones lies.