Or a different retaliation:
You're obviously lying and you don't ever have sex with your imaginative girlfriend, as all you do is sit around on slashdot and call people fucking losers. It's appearent from your chain of logics that it's entirely impossible to ever have sex with ones girlfriend if one ever performs other activities that any given subset of humanity might perceive as a waste of time.
GH is awesome entertainment of the kind that only takes 5 minutes to appreciate (unless struggling with the Wii menu).
A concert, drinks and sex takes way longer (well, I'm sure you can handle the last part in even less time).
I like that line of thinking... "since public RO servers are so bad, we made a private one which was way better, but in the end, WoW was even better that that. So it's thanks to the private RO server that we moved to WoW".
It appears to me that you moved to WoW because RO sucked in comparison, whether public or private.
Also, the fact that you moved to a different MMO, hosted by a different company, because of bad experience based on a private server is exactly what Blizzard is argueing here. Blizzard's fear is probably something along the lines of private WoW servers giving such a bad experience that players move to public Vanguard servers, becoming paying customers at SOE instead. Sounds to me like that's more or less what happened with you lot.
Besides, WoW can work with a small group of people too. I'm the leader of a guild consisting solely of RL friends, and we have a weekly get-together where we do instance runs. All our characters were rolled specifically for the purpose, and we've been leveling almost entirely through instances since Ragefire Chasm and now starting out on the level 80 instances. If some of us are unable to go, we 4-man rather than PuG'ing the last slot. We do this on public servers, though the rest of the server population has served us almost no other purpose than buying stuff from our leet sugardaddy of an inscriber, allowing us all to get our hands on flying mounts.
Cool stuff. Artists will be giving publishers the same phrase publishers have been giving consumers: "You don't own the music you bought from us - you're just licensed to it"
I've read lots of spiffy evidence to support climate change but it really itches my gizzard when 'scientists' attribute every tiny aberration in the weather to it.
However, it might just turn out that these clouds are caused by cow farts and thrown away McDonalds wrappers so I should probably just wait for these opposing scientists to finish pansy-slapping each other before I start verbally abusing them from my arm-chair.
Sure. They might be caused by cow farts. Thrown away McDonalds wrappers might also be a possiblity, although it then WOULD be a human-caused climate change.
Maybe it's man-caused. Maybe it's not. But honestly - that's exactly what the article said, and if your counter is to wait for conflicting reports to be made, then you're really not in a position to criticise current theories, are you?
If depth was what it took to be number one, WoW wouldn't be king.
WoW is very well polished, easily accessible, fun for the casual gamer, and... well... it carries the Blizzard-tag. This is what makes it hugely succesful.
Vanguard, EQ and more offer more depth than WoW (and a much MUCH longer grind to end-game content), but it turns out this is not really what the majority wants.
WoW became succesful by catering to the non-MMO-crowd. Back when I was active on EQ, they boasted subscriber-counts in the 400K-range. If an MMO is trying to go new ways and follow their individual visions for what a persistant online world should act like, this number would probably be a fair target for a "huge succes".
To reach the 12 million mark, you need a game tuned for maximum fun and ease of availability for everyone, along with the serious market impact of having noteable display stand posted in every major game retailer, and some celebreties like Ozzy Osbourne and Patrick Stewart advertising your game on national TV.
Almost a decent example, except CS isn't really a game. It's a mod. For a commercial game. Much of it's success was probably caused by Valve bundling it with a retail version of Halflife.
So yeah, in Counter-Strike we have *one* example of a bunch of kiddies that had the skill to turn an awesome success into a slightly different awesome success. Good job, but in the end, they were aided by the technical platform and the distribution-channels of a well established commercial gaming company.
This bunch of kiddies had the artistic skills. But does anyone know if they truly had the resources to *develop a game*?
My amazing prediction is that in the future, people will indeed get a lot of entertainment from free and/or indie games, but at times they'll want the high-budget spectacle that only a major studio can provide.
So, you haven't researched the freeware gaming scene either, have you? if all you know is whatever flash-based crap Nickelodeon et al push on their webpages, then I'm sorry for you, but they're *not* the only, the best, or even representative of the average game that's available for free.
Dude, we're talking about random entertainment. Research? I don't want to do research to find games.
A great quality of commercial games: they'll make me aware of their existance, instead of simply existing quietly, waiting for me to discover them.
Name a game that was never commercial that we've all heard of.
What about shrimps? Looking at a shrimp, and trying to make up my mind on what it's closest relative is, I really *should* be entirely disgusted by the thought of eating this animal... but I'm not.
There's plenty of guns that aren't evil.
Guns used for hunting, guns used by the military and by professional guards are not evil.
The gun Joe Sixpack stores at home just because it's his birth-given right to own one IS evil though.
When talking about Mr. and Mrs. Average (and those much much dumber), the ability to take another human life with a minimum off effort is too much power, and the task of keeping *anything interesting* locked safely out of harms way is too much of a responsibility.
Storing the gun in a lockbox might show some good intensions, but you're not responsible *enough* to have a gun if you don't *succeed* at keeping it safe.
My TI-83 graphics calculator is several more times powerful than the first PC ever made. Maybe I'll start working on that from now on.
The fact that a TI-83 is a massive downgrade from my current-gen PC is entirely irrelevant. There used to be something worse, ergo it must be good enough.
I've been wondering for a while what portion of gamers actually care about DRM even in the most draconian forms. The consensus on/. seems to be that any DRM is a boycottable offense. The consensus on gamefaqs on the other hand seems to be "n00b! LOL!"
That part made me wanna mod you up. I truly believe that anyone on/. who believes DRM will be the downfall of the industry are failing to realize just how many gamers don't give a rats ass about those couple of CPU cycles consumed by Starforce.
Sure, and I think once cars really catch on, they'll start experiencing some of the problems horse and buggies have!
That part made me wanna mod you down. WTF.
A horse is an animal = living being, requiring care, subject to illness, in possesion of some degree of personality, at it's core functioning because nature made it, and some scientists would sorta like to be able to replicate this.
A car is a machine = cold, dead piece of technology, needs an oil chance once in a while, at it's core functioning because we designed it and we know EXACTLY how it works.
Console = electronic device, performing loads of computations, primarily for the purpose of entertaining you.
PC = electronic device, performing loads of computations, primarily for the purposes of making your life easier.
Point being - horses and cars have nothing in common (except one particular use). Consoles and PC's have everything in common. Your metaphor is not merely imperfect, but useless.
In fact, consoles are already experiencing some same hardships. My Wii occasionally informs me that an update is available, and will warn me that updating a system with unauthorized modifactions, may cause it to break. I also believe I've had a Wii game require me to do an update before it would play.
So, on a PC I need to install some hidden application that will take up a slight bit of my systems resources in order to play the game.
On my console, I need to perform a system update to be allowed to play some game, and if I ever did anything I wasn't supposed to, I might be breaking it in doing so.
Same hardships indeed.
Maybe there's nothing similar on PS3/360, really don't know... but yeah, it appears to be coming.
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Or a different retaliation:
You're obviously lying and you don't ever have sex with your imaginative girlfriend, as all you do is sit around on slashdot and call people fucking losers. It's appearent from your chain of logics that it's entirely impossible to ever have sex with ones girlfriend if one ever performs other activities that any given subset of humanity might perceive as a waste of time.
GH is awesome entertainment of the kind that only takes 5 minutes to appreciate (unless struggling with the Wii menu).
A concert, drinks and sex takes way longer (well, I'm sure you can handle the last part in even less time).
Personally, I like to play GH with my girlfriend, and then go and have sex with her afterwards and/or on completely unrelated occasions.
I like that line of thinking... "since public RO servers are so bad, we made a private one which was way better, but in the end, WoW was even better that that. So it's thanks to the private RO server that we moved to WoW".
It appears to me that you moved to WoW because RO sucked in comparison, whether public or private.
Also, the fact that you moved to a different MMO, hosted by a different company, because of bad experience based on a private server is exactly what Blizzard is argueing here. Blizzard's fear is probably something along the lines of private WoW servers giving such a bad experience that players move to public Vanguard servers, becoming paying customers at SOE instead. Sounds to me like that's more or less what happened with you lot.
Besides, WoW can work with a small group of people too. I'm the leader of a guild consisting solely of RL friends, and we have a weekly get-together where we do instance runs. All our characters were rolled specifically for the purpose, and we've been leveling almost entirely through instances since Ragefire Chasm and now starting out on the level 80 instances. If some of us are unable to go, we 4-man rather than PuG'ing the last slot. We do this on public servers, though the rest of the server population has served us almost no other purpose than buying stuff from our leet sugardaddy of an inscriber, allowing us all to get our hands on flying mounts.
What's exactly is the difference between your first and second guess?
I doubt it.
Tech savvy != intelligent
Believe is not subject to logical trumps.
Absolutely not at all bad. But interesting nevertheless, so something to see here indeed.
Cool stuff. Artists will be giving publishers the same phrase publishers have been giving consumers: "You don't own the music you bought from us - you're just licensed to it"
I wonder if the chinese name for the programming language will be Weiqi, just to screw us over.
I wrote well when I arrived, so guess what? I wrote well when I left.
... which leads to the question: Should MIT expect good communication skills, or aim to cultivate them?
There's a much simpler solution, and it's actually quite feasible. I know, cause I'm practicing it. Just get a different phone.
I've read lots of spiffy evidence to support climate change but it really itches my gizzard when 'scientists' attribute every tiny aberration in the weather to it. However, it might just turn out that these clouds are caused by cow farts and thrown away McDonalds wrappers so I should probably just wait for these opposing scientists to finish pansy-slapping each other before I start verbally abusing them from my arm-chair.
Sure. They might be caused by cow farts. Thrown away McDonalds wrappers might also be a possiblity, although it then WOULD be a human-caused climate change.
Maybe it's man-caused. Maybe it's not. But honestly - that's exactly what the article said, and if your counter is to wait for conflicting reports to be made, then you're really not in a position to criticise current theories, are you?
Your perception of "the good parts of wow" is completely messed up. Thank god you quit!
If depth was what it took to be number one, WoW wouldn't be king.
WoW is very well polished, easily accessible, fun for the casual gamer, and... well... it carries the Blizzard-tag. This is what makes it hugely succesful.
Vanguard, EQ and more offer more depth than WoW (and a much MUCH longer grind to end-game content), but it turns out this is not really what the majority wants.
WoW became succesful by catering to the non-MMO-crowd. Back when I was active on EQ, they boasted subscriber-counts in the 400K-range. If an MMO is trying to go new ways and follow their individual visions for what a persistant online world should act like, this number would probably be a fair target for a "huge succes".
To reach the 12 million mark, you need a game tuned for maximum fun and ease of availability for everyone, along with the serious market impact of having noteable display stand posted in every major game retailer, and some celebreties like Ozzy Osbourne and Patrick Stewart advertising your game on national TV.
partly because of value for money [..] when not taking into account game costs
Uh... what DID you take into account here?
Øhh, hvor kom den fra? Har du nogensinde set eller hørt dansk??
(Translation: Uhm, where did that come from? Have you ever seen or heard danish??)
Almost a decent example, except CS isn't really a game. It's a mod. For a commercial game. Much of it's success was probably caused by Valve bundling it with a retail version of Halflife.
So yeah, in Counter-Strike we have *one* example of a bunch of kiddies that had the skill to turn an awesome success into a slightly different awesome success. Good job, but in the end, they were aided by the technical platform and the distribution-channels of a well established commercial gaming company.
This bunch of kiddies had the artistic skills. But does anyone know if they truly had the resources to *develop a game*?
My amazing prediction is that in the future, people will indeed get a lot of entertainment from free and/or indie games, but at times they'll want the high-budget spectacle that only a major studio can provide.
Kinda like present time?
So, you haven't researched the freeware gaming scene either, have you? if all you know is whatever flash-based crap Nickelodeon et al push on their webpages, then I'm sorry for you, but they're *not* the only, the best, or even representative of the average game that's available for free.
Dude, we're talking about random entertainment. Research? I don't want to do research to find games.
A great quality of commercial games: they'll make me aware of their existance, instead of simply existing quietly, waiting for me to discover them.
Name a game that was never commercial that we've all heard of.
I suspect you've probably been living in a cave. I couldn't avoid hearing about TR, till like, right after it launched.
What about shrimps? Looking at a shrimp, and trying to make up my mind on what it's closest relative is, I really *should* be entirely disgusted by the thought of eating this animal... but I'm not.
There's plenty of guns that aren't evil.
Guns used for hunting, guns used by the military and by professional guards are not evil.
The gun Joe Sixpack stores at home just because it's his birth-given right to own one IS evil though.
When talking about Mr. and Mrs. Average (and those much much dumber), the ability to take another human life with a minimum off effort is too much power, and the task of keeping *anything interesting* locked safely out of harms way is too much of a responsibility.
Storing the gun in a lockbox might show some good intensions, but you're not responsible *enough* to have a gun if you don't *succeed* at keeping it safe.
The brutal introduction is specifically designed to weed out fools, weaklings, idiots, and children afflicted with ADHD.
Citation needed. I suspect you're merely projection your bias onto game developers and calling it 'intentional'.
So feel free to play WoW all you like.
Thank you, I will.
The adults will continue playing Eve to the tune of 40,000+ people in the same persistent universe at the same time.
An adult is hereby defined as "someone playing Eve" - I think we've reached the limits of bias.
My TI-83 graphics calculator is several more times powerful than the first PC ever made. Maybe I'll start working on that from now on.
The fact that a TI-83 is a massive downgrade from my current-gen PC is entirely irrelevant. There used to be something worse, ergo it must be good enough.
I've been wondering for a while what portion of gamers actually care about DRM even in the most draconian forms. The consensus on /. seems to be that any DRM is a boycottable offense. The consensus on gamefaqs on the other hand seems to be "n00b! LOL!"
That part made me wanna mod you up. I truly believe that anyone on /. who believes DRM will be the downfall of the industry are failing to realize just how many gamers don't give a rats ass about those couple of CPU cycles consumed by Starforce.
Sure, and I think once cars really catch on, they'll start experiencing some of the problems horse and buggies have!
That part made me wanna mod you down. WTF.
A horse is an animal = living being, requiring care, subject to illness, in possesion of some degree of personality, at it's core functioning because nature made it, and some scientists would sorta like to be able to replicate this.
A car is a machine = cold, dead piece of technology, needs an oil chance once in a while, at it's core functioning because we designed it and we know EXACTLY how it works.
Console = electronic device, performing loads of computations, primarily for the purpose of entertaining you.
PC = electronic device, performing loads of computations, primarily for the purposes of making your life easier.
Point being - horses and cars have nothing in common (except one particular use). Consoles and PC's have everything in common. Your metaphor is not merely imperfect, but useless.
In fact, consoles are already experiencing some same hardships. My Wii occasionally informs me that an update is available, and will warn me that updating a system with unauthorized modifactions, may cause it to break. I also believe I've had a Wii game require me to do an update before it would play.
So, on a PC I need to install some hidden application that will take up a slight bit of my systems resources in order to play the game.
On my console, I need to perform a system update to be allowed to play some game, and if I ever did anything I wasn't supposed to, I might be breaking it in doing so.
Same hardships indeed.
Maybe there's nothing similar on PS3/360, really don't know... but yeah, it appears to be coming.