For me, it was a minimum $50 difference with "Best Buy" prices. But the same card I bought for $129 (plus $30 rebate I need to cash in) at Best Buy was $199 at a nearby Circuit City.
Also, manufacturer of the card does make a difference. Just a note (look a PNY's RAM sinks. wheee doggy:) ).....
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If you want 128 MB of video memory, I am saying that the 4200 card does not deliver as much bang for the buck as the 4400 card. The 4200 with 64MB also delivers more value than the 4200 with 128MB.
64MB of extra memory on the 4200 is sorta like sticking monster truck tires on a Camaro. It's wasted money.
To be honest, messing with details (resolution aside) on Q3 is not going to make a humongous impact if you have a decent 2000-ish video card. Modern cards have no problem at all, even 64 meg or 32 meg. I've found that the the big deal there will be your processor and/or internet speed. Your average k6-2-450 tends to choke on a few bots even with a new video card and memory:)
If you really want to consider games like Doom 3, I'd suggest upgrading to a comfortable level now (GeForce 4 Ti4200 64 meg.... or 128 if you really want it), and do a real upgrade ($350-level) when Doom 3 comes out, or even a few months after it.
Sorry. It's late, and spelling errors abound tonight;).
I also meant to say "do not buy the MX series". And a few other typos.... If I took time to get them all right, my post would have hit near the bottom of the list, thanks to the active troll population here on/.
Here's something you should consider before buying a 128 MB GeForce Ti-series card. There are four choices you can make right now:
Ti-4600: Highest price, best features, 10.4 GB/s memory bandwidth, 650 MHz memory clock Ti-4400: High price, excellent features, 8.8 GB/s memory bandwidth, 550 MHz memory clock Ti-4200 (1): Decent price, great features, will handle BF1942 and UT2003, 64 MB limit, 8 GB/s memory bandwidth, 500 MHz Memory clock Ti-4200 (2): High price, great features, slowest out of all 4 thanks to memory speeds, will handle BF1942 and UT2003, 128 MB limit, 7.1 GB/s memory bandwidth, 444 MHz memory clock.
Basicly, on the 4200's, if you go for double the memory for almost double the price, you will see a performance hit.
After my research (urged on by PNY's box), I decided that by the time I need 128 Mhz, I'll also want the features of a chip beyond the current Nvidia line.
Of course, if you want anything that performs beyond the 4200, then why bother reading anything here in slashdot? You're getting at least 128 MB on your card;).....
So, this weekend, I found a 64 MB Ti 4200 for $129, and it printed out a $30 rebate at the counter. Happy day, indeed. I spent the rest of the weekend playing OpenGL-boosted Doom and Hexen.
BTW, if you are completely out of the know, but love gaming, do not but the MX series of cards. They are not for you.
I started out making this a long and winded post, but instead, deleted it and will just say this:
In my opinion, competing desktops will breed innovation and evolution. We need one unified desktop like I need a hole in the head. A few years ago, if all car makers joined forces to make one type of car, we'd all be driving a Yugo. If there was no Macintosh, we'd all be stuch with Windows 2.0 in the office.
I loathe people who want to treat everything as if it were a zero sum game.:)
Well, I am definitely looking forward to getting my hands on UT 2k3, if only to see how far I can mod it.... However, I fear that it will be completely overshadowed by Battlefield 1942 sales (which will go hand in hand with sales for new video cards to handle the hardware T&L requirements). Not that it's a bad thing, because Battlefield may wind up being a far superior game in most aspects.
This news about the Linux client, however, is really surprising. Lately, I've heard much more about centering development around DirectX in order to save on a humongous chunck of development time for the X-Box on the Unreal Engine as a whole. Something along the lines of "Why bother with OpenGL, when DirectX does everything we need and more" seems very familiar to me....
Sega probably used a handful of their Sonic Team people on the Moonwalker arcade... both features bad guys in big machines taking on quick-footed heroes.
I see no flaw in the article's analysis. Fortunately, I'm used to ginseng and all of the other junk and/or good stuff Sobe uses to sell their drinks (see below).
Here in central Texas, Dr. Pepper seems to be king. Maybe it's a regional thing, but I'm with a large portion of the population around here that thinks Coke has a taste reminiscent of eating chalk in grade school, and Pepsi manages to pull of a taste that's even more hideous. Pepsi Blue? Vanilla Coke?.... honestly, Vanilla Coke isn't quite as unpleasant as Coke, but it's still a lesser of two evils.
To be honest, if I had a bit more to choose from, I'd take some of Sobe's other drinks at late night lan parties. The heavy caffiene drinks tend to kill my ability to play a solid, consistent game. However, a steady diet of Lizard Fuel or Liz Bliz keeps the mouth happy and awake and sets you on a steady, somewhat relxed yet aware and patient state throughout the night. Start this at 7 pm and by the time 1:00 rolls around, you'll be on top of the game, owning your buds with the bomber on Battlefield 1942.
We get it. Doom 3 is same old same old, a lot of you are bored with the FPS genre, blah blah blah.
Doom 3 is a single player (our 4 player co-op) FPS game that is doing something most of you dorks haven't figured out yet. It's time for PC games to move beyond the Charlie Chaplin -> Talkies phase and into the Studio Picture phase. Doom 3 doesn't seem to aim for the blockbuster game of the year. Essentially, it's time for games to seperate the technology from the story and art. Every once and a while, a new game will be the first to showcase new technology, in the same way Star Wars recently started hitting up digital theaters. But, by and large, this is just a project to showcase some new technology which will not only try to tell a good story and make a nice profit off of it, but also to pimp the technology that powers it.
What makes this different from the projects like it in the past is that they are making no bones about what Doom 3 is... Doom 3 is to the game industry what "Harvey" was to the film industry. I guess.:)
That's because many American's don't realize where much of their money goes. Most of us do not realize that PBS is supported in large part by federal funds (through the CPB). This means that ever tax-paying American is supporting a television network that they may or may not watch at all.
On the upside, my daughter watches Sesame Street, and if I had to get that through a cable subscription, I probably would.
I don't think that User Friendly uses racisim and sexism, at least not the way that I would define it. Both of those terms deal with discrimination and superiority issues... rather, what User Friendly deals with are character traits and occasionally uses them for comedic effect.
The deal with Pitr is hardly racist. He is a perfect fit among the cast, except for the fact that his native language is russian. If I went down to Mexico City and tried to use my 2 years of Spanish training in high school to communicate, I'm sure plenty of people would laugh. That's not racist. That just a reaction from witnessing the way an outsider tries to grasp the finer and more bizarre points of your own language.
Just now I realized I responed to an AC. So I'll stop now.
I'd love to know what illiad and other "known" artist/toonists/etc. think about drawing women... in specific, how to deal with the women around them who feel the need to comment and critique they way you draw the female figure (in all it's forms, of course... this was added to destroy the inevitable "female figure? there's not just one!" replies).
Heck, maybe it's just bad memories of 6th grad art class when you are forced to draw sketches of your classmates, and you felt obligated to draw in a turtleneck sweater and jacket just so you could avoid the topic of their breasts altogether. However, I imagine that most comic artists and 3d-modelers for modern video games have to put up with a fair ammount of ribbing about how large or small they create figures for their characters.
"This tells us that this kind of evolution is capable of coming up with flying motion," said Peter Bentley, an evolutionary computer expert at University College, London.
Birdwatches around the world were SHOCKED at this finding.
However, the robot could not actually fly because it was too heavy for its electrical motor.
"There's only so much that evolution can do," Bentley said.
Using these definitions, this robot's achievement pales in comparison to my evolutionary process which lead my body to the ingest a jelly donut covered in sprinkles this morning. Since I never had one of those before, the only explanation is that I naturally evolved to the point where I wanted to attempt the ingestion of such an object.
Seriously, guys, this is nothing but cheap heat for a worthless techie. Move on.
Ask anyone who has produced any sort of video media.... heck, even school projects. The big advantage to having a ton of extra footage that may get cut from the final version is that, in editing and post-production, the filmmakers have more power to make a film that will please audiences. Think about some of the past trekkie films... They shot extra junk like Scotty teaching the engineers how to make some sort of new polymer or whatnot. It's that type of work that gives a film it's character and the ability to connect to an audience. When you have more material to work with for a final cut, the odds are that the movie will be better for it, even if certain actors had their entire chunck of work aborted.
One movie that didn't quite do this was "Not Another Teen Movie". Apparently they were able to spice up the ending by having Molly Ringwald do an extended cameo. This probably cost a significant chunk of change to reshoot when compared to the rest of the rest of the movie. Unfortunately, it resulted in replacing one crappy ending with a slightly more expensive crappy ending featuring star power.
I have a feeling we might see a deleted Wesly scene.... Hell, this may be one of the first DVDs that includes deleted scenes that aren't complete wastes of time.
I alluded to that (using other, weaker source material), as I definitely realize that MP3s are nowhere near perfect. I'm a LAME r3mix'er myself, of course:)....
Hollywood's fears are based on "Napsterization" of exact, perfect copies of digital content... they've seen digital music turn into easily copied MP3s. However, they do not realize that if the industry didn't push CDs, and were still selling tapes and vinyl to the masses, people would take that content and compress it and pirate it instead.
At least immediately, digital content probably will not be the first choice for video pirates. Video capture cards and RCA jacks makes napstering "The Simpsons" and VCR tapes easy. There's no encoding hoops too jump through, and no reason to bother with maintaining integrity of digital content.
In my view, digital video-based content and piracy of digitally-compressed video are two completely different subjects.
Both TVs in my houses are aging units that only take input from an AV cable. I need to either use an old VCR that can withstand that cheap protection crap, or what I'm using now, a 5-switch RF modulator/SVideo/RCA plug box.
Fsck that protection crap. If I didn't think it was futile, I'd never by DVDs out of protest....
Honestly, that thought did occour to me.... Then there's the potential to completely muck up the system by having insiders both verify the fake reports as being true and deny the true reports....
Either way... It's good to be the king! Too bad it sucks to be the prince;)
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For me, it was a minimum $50 difference with "Best Buy" prices. But the same card I bought for $129 (plus $30 rebate I need to cash in) at Best Buy was $199 at a nearby Circuit City.
:) ).....
Also, manufacturer of the card does make a difference. Just a note (look a PNY's RAM sinks. wheee doggy
I've got the ram sinks (the PNY version of the card).... Can't wait to push them a bit ;)
To be honest, overclocking can bridge that gap, but with both types of cards overclocked, there will be a gap at those limits too ;)
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. If you want 128 MB of video memory, I am saying that the 4200 card does not deliver as much bang for the buck as the 4400 card. The 4200 with 64MB also delivers more value than the 4200 with 128MB.
64MB of extra memory on the 4200 is sorta like sticking monster truck tires on a Camaro. It's wasted money.
To be honest, messing with details (resolution aside) on Q3 is not going to make a humongous impact if you have a decent 2000-ish video card. Modern cards have no problem at all, even 64 meg or 32 meg. I've found that the the big deal there will be your processor and/or internet speed. Your average k6-2-450 tends to choke on a few bots even with a new video card and memory :)
If you really want to consider games like Doom 3, I'd suggest upgrading to a comfortable level now (GeForce 4 Ti4200 64 meg.... or 128 if you really want it), and do a real upgrade ($350-level) when Doom 3 comes out, or even a few months after it.
Sorry. It's late, and spelling errors abound tonight ;) .
/.
I also meant to say "do not buy the MX series". And a few other typos.... If I took time to get them all right, my post would have hit near the bottom of the list, thanks to the active troll population here on
G'night!
Here's something you should consider before buying a 128 MB GeForce Ti-series card. There are four choices you can make right now:
;) .....
Ti-4600: Highest price, best features, 10.4 GB/s memory bandwidth, 650 MHz memory clock
Ti-4400: High price, excellent features, 8.8 GB/s memory bandwidth, 550 MHz memory clock
Ti-4200 (1): Decent price, great features, will handle BF1942 and UT2003, 64 MB limit, 8 GB/s memory bandwidth, 500 MHz Memory clock
Ti-4200 (2): High price, great features, slowest out of all 4 thanks to memory speeds, will handle BF1942 and UT2003, 128 MB limit, 7.1 GB/s memory bandwidth, 444 MHz memory clock.
Basicly, on the 4200's, if you go for double the memory for almost double the price, you will see a performance hit.
After my research (urged on by PNY's box), I decided that by the time I need 128 Mhz, I'll also want the features of a chip beyond the current Nvidia line.
Of course, if you want anything that performs beyond the 4200, then why bother reading anything here in slashdot? You're getting at least 128 MB on your card
So, this weekend, I found a 64 MB Ti 4200 for $129, and it printed out a $30 rebate at the counter. Happy day, indeed. I spent the rest of the weekend playing OpenGL-boosted Doom and Hexen.
BTW, if you are completely out of the know, but love gaming, do not but the MX series of cards. They are not for you.
I started out making this a long and winded post, but instead, deleted it and will just say this:
:)
In my opinion, competing desktops will breed innovation and evolution. We need one unified desktop like I need a hole in the head. A few years ago, if all car makers joined forces to make one type of car, we'd all be driving a Yugo. If there was no Macintosh, we'd all be stuch with Windows 2.0 in the office.
I loathe people who want to treat everything as if it were a zero sum game.
Well, I am definitely looking forward to getting my hands on UT 2k3, if only to see how far I can mod it.... However, I fear that it will be completely overshadowed by Battlefield 1942 sales (which will go hand in hand with sales for new video cards to handle the hardware T&L requirements). Not that it's a bad thing, because Battlefield may wind up being a far superior game in most aspects.
This news about the Linux client, however, is really surprising. Lately, I've heard much more about centering development around DirectX in order to save on a humongous chunck of development time for the X-Box on the Unreal Engine as a whole. Something along the lines of "Why bother with OpenGL, when DirectX does everything we need and more" seems very familiar to me....
Sega probably used a handful of their Sonic Team people on the Moonwalker arcade... both features bad guys in big machines taking on quick-footed heroes.
:) .
Just a guess
It's usually at http://sardius.fefea.org/, but since the site is down, click my mirror of it here: http://www.rahga.com/fun/konamix/
:)
For what it's worth, Michael Jackson is involved.... and trust me, it blows every other DDR review out of the water.
I see no flaw in the article's analysis. Fortunately, I'm used to ginseng and all of the other junk and/or good stuff Sobe uses to sell their drinks (see below).
.... honestly, Vanilla Coke isn't quite as unpleasant as Coke, but it's still a lesser of two evils.
Here in central Texas, Dr. Pepper seems to be king. Maybe it's a regional thing, but I'm with a large portion of the population around here that thinks Coke has a taste reminiscent of eating chalk in grade school, and Pepsi manages to pull of a taste that's even more hideous. Pepsi Blue? Vanilla Coke?
To be honest, if I had a bit more to choose from, I'd take some of Sobe's other drinks at late night lan parties. The heavy caffiene drinks tend to kill my ability to play a solid, consistent game. However, a steady diet of Lizard Fuel or Liz Bliz keeps the mouth happy and awake and sets you on a steady, somewhat relxed yet aware and patient state throughout the night. Start this at 7 pm and by the time 1:00 rolls around, you'll be on top of the game, owning your buds with the bomber on Battlefield 1942.
Life is good.
We get it. Doom 3 is same old same old, a lot of you are bored with the FPS genre, blah blah blah.
:)
Doom 3 is a single player (our 4 player co-op) FPS game that is doing something most of you dorks haven't figured out yet. It's time for PC games to move beyond the Charlie Chaplin -> Talkies phase and into the Studio Picture phase. Doom 3 doesn't seem to aim for the blockbuster game of the year. Essentially, it's time for games to seperate the technology from the story and art. Every once and a while, a new game will be the first to showcase new technology, in the same way Star Wars recently started hitting up digital theaters. But, by and large, this is just a project to showcase some new technology which will not only try to tell a good story and make a nice profit off of it, but also to pimp the technology that powers it.
What makes this different from the projects like it in the past is that they are making no bones about what Doom 3 is... Doom 3 is to the game industry what "Harvey" was to the film industry. I guess.
Anyway.
That's because many American's don't realize where much of their money goes. Most of us do not realize that PBS is supported in large part by federal funds (through the CPB). This means that ever tax-paying American is supporting a television network that they may or may not watch at all.
On the upside, my daughter watches Sesame Street, and if I had to get that through a cable subscription, I probably would.
I don't think that User Friendly uses racisim and sexism, at least not the way that I would define it. Both of those terms deal with discrimination and superiority issues... rather, what User Friendly deals with are character traits and occasionally uses them for comedic effect.
The deal with Pitr is hardly racist. He is a perfect fit among the cast, except for the fact that his native language is russian. If I went down to Mexico City and tried to use my 2 years of Spanish training in high school to communicate, I'm sure plenty of people would laugh. That's not racist. That just a reaction from witnessing the way an outsider tries to grasp the finer and more bizarre points of your own language.
Just now I realized I responed to an AC. So I'll stop now.
I'd love to know what illiad and other "known" artist/toonists/etc. think about drawing women... in specific, how to deal with the women around them who feel the need to comment and critique they way you draw the female figure (in all it's forms, of course... this was added to destroy the inevitable "female figure? there's not just one!" replies).
Heck, maybe it's just bad memories of 6th grad art class when you are forced to draw sketches of your classmates, and you felt obligated to draw in a turtleneck sweater and jacket just so you could avoid the topic of their breasts altogether. However, I imagine that most comic artists and 3d-modelers for modern video games have to put up with a fair ammount of ribbing about how large or small they create figures for their characters.
"This tells us that this kind of evolution is capable of coming up with flying motion," said Peter Bentley, an evolutionary computer expert at University College, London.
Birdwatches around the world were SHOCKED at this finding.
However, the robot could not actually fly because it was too heavy for its electrical motor.
"There's only so much that evolution can do," Bentley said.
Using these definitions, this robot's achievement pales in comparison to my evolutionary process which lead my body to the ingest a jelly donut covered in sprinkles this morning. Since I never had one of those before, the only explanation is that I naturally evolved to the point where I wanted to attempt the ingestion of such an object.
Seriously, guys, this is nothing but cheap heat for a worthless techie. Move on.
Ask anyone who has produced any sort of video media.... heck, even school projects. The big advantage to having a ton of extra footage that may get cut from the final version is that, in editing and post-production, the filmmakers have more power to make a film that will please audiences. Think about some of the past trekkie films... They shot extra junk like Scotty teaching the engineers how to make some sort of new polymer or whatnot. It's that type of work that gives a film it's character and the ability to connect to an audience. When you have more material to work with for a final cut, the odds are that the movie will be better for it, even if certain actors had their entire chunck of work aborted.
One movie that didn't quite do this was "Not Another Teen Movie". Apparently they were able to spice up the ending by having Molly Ringwald do an extended cameo. This probably cost a significant chunk of change to reshoot when compared to the rest of the rest of the movie. Unfortunately, it resulted in replacing one crappy ending with a slightly more expensive crappy ending featuring star power.
I have a feeling we might see a deleted Wesly scene.... Hell, this may be one of the first DVDs that includes deleted scenes that aren't complete wastes of time.
I alluded to that (using other, weaker source material), as I definitely realize that MP3s are nowhere near perfect. I'm a LAME r3mix'er myself, of course :) ....
Hollywood's fears are based on "Napsterization" of exact, perfect copies of digital content... they've seen digital music turn into easily copied MP3s. However, they do not realize that if the industry didn't push CDs, and were still selling tapes and vinyl to the masses, people would take that content and compress it and pirate it instead.
At least immediately, digital content probably will not be the first choice for video pirates. Video capture cards and RCA jacks makes napstering "The Simpsons" and VCR tapes easy. There's no encoding hoops too jump through, and no reason to bother with maintaining integrity of digital content.
In my view, digital video-based content and piracy of digitally-compressed video are two completely different subjects.
*NT* means no text.
Ugh.
Why do I even bother with slashdot anymore, mistakes like that are just too hard to correct.
Both TVs in my houses are aging units that only take input from an AV cable. I need to either use an old VCR that can withstand that cheap protection crap, or what I'm using now, a 5-switch RF modulator/SVideo/RCA plug box.
Fsck that protection crap. If I didn't think it was futile, I'd never by DVDs out of protest....
Honestly, that thought did occour to me.... Then there's the potential to completely muck up the system by having insiders both verify the fake reports as being true and deny the true reports....
;)
Either way... It's good to be the king! Too bad it sucks to be the prince