The point is revealing people for what they are in that they have values that they campaign for but spend their money against.
I do not begrudge those who purchase apple products but I do begrudge those who would campaign for human rights and then make an effort to point out their use of apple products. You see the devil is in the details and how you represent yourself is important. As long as we let people do this without pointing out their double standards what hope do we have of improving things eh?
The problem is that they typically go out of their way to make mention of Mac usage. If you are going to emphasize something then you are by proxy saying all others are lesser!
The primary point is this... if they are going to go out of their way to fan boi apple, then why are they also not deluging Apple with requests or even protests of their business dealings with Foxconn? I like my standards served with a double portion waiter!
Also, I might ask the same question of you. If your only source of cash is from a person that robs a bank does it make you morally absolved? Just because Foxconn is the only choice does not make you less guilty. In the end your $$ goes to provide for their continued existence. The additional issue is, as I said the Intellectual dishonesty of peddling one ideology while supporting against your ideology with your own money!
Let provide and example of what I mean. I abhor DRM so much that I have refused to purchase games that contain any form of it that requires me to check in with a remote server for activation. They never get my money and I never get to play the game, unless I pirate it. But the short story is this, I do not give my money to companies that I provide activist attention against! Now perhaps if more people in this world had the temerity to act upon their beliefs the way I do, we would not be giving money to companies that like to abuse everyone for that extra penny.
But in the end, I do realize how hard it is to not carry that iPhone around and fan boi for certain companies. I keep only a basic prepaid phone for contact and emergency purposes, I do not give my money to Apple or any company that I knowingly have a grievance with, unlike the vast majority of intellectually dishonest members of society!
In the spirit of Schrodinger the answer is simple. They are both correct!
One team has observed that the particle/force/energy exists! There-fore it exists... the other team has observed that the particle/force/energy does not exist! There-fore it does not exist!
All we need to do is to get both parties to agree with each other an that will become the final state of the particle/force/energy!
If you don't get the joke then you have a life, go, leave Slashdot, and enjoy it!
I see a lot of people that like to talk about themselves and their use of "Macs". It has been my experience that they also tend to identify themselves with "human rights" campaigns and ideologies. Would any tree-hugger care to explain for me their obvious willingness to overlook Foxconn's business practices and most importantly their treatment of employees just to support "Macs"?
Left and right I go on the planet, inter-webs, and about my daily life on planet earth and mainly find only sheeple of amazing varieties and multitudes!
What makes it even worse is that said government spend more time begging for money than working out their problems. They are nothing more than professional political beggars. And we spend a lot of time trying to wipe panhandlers off the street instead of wiping panhandlers out of our government!
Google is a business, right now only a little country is asking for it,next it will US, Russia, China, UK, or somebody else. Hell someone (even google) probably already has done it but just hasn't told anyone.
Until a business is willing to put it's employees and profit on the line we all know that businesses are just going to dance. After all, they are only there to make money and bribe elected officials to create a bunch of back doors. Think of it like this... would you rather keep your job or would you rather stand up for what you believe in? Most people would rather keep their job.
Also, what Google is not telling everyone is that at a fundamental level they would prefer to slice it up just as Kazakh is wanting, they are just playing farce opposition to it to see what peeps think. Think of the opportunities and control that could be had even by Google with government sanctioned monitoring of everyone's traffic! All in the name of making sure that the right packet travels the right path!
Yea but the general democrat says to fuck everyone, so long as everyone if getting fucked equally.
If you are for either of the party's you are a pawn and a sheep. And your arguments being against only one when both share equal shame reveal that you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.
I agree with you, I was only trying to explain to the other poster that despite agreeing to the EULA that no one reads because they can't be bothered to do, people still are going to want to make that decision for themselves.
Even if 80% of the people want to do something they are still going to want to make the decision for them self instead of a suit. It's basic human nature.
Remember the housing bubble and they called the lender "Predatory"? Well they should have read their contract and because there are so many idiots in the world we all get to pay for it. I do not use FB period, nor any other social site because I want to own my property and I will NOT give them that power. I own my PC and all the data on it, but I do not own my Cell Phone because they want to control it to nickel and dime me every chance they get. Therefore I store nothing personal on my mobile devices other than Names and #'s because that is already public info by virtue of placing a call.
This is proof that you either do not work in IT or you are at the bottom of the totem pole. Admins don't make very many decisions. Admins find problems and fix them after they have approval from their managers. I have yet worked for a company that has let their Admins make a decision anywhere that big on their own.
This was an IN YOUR FACE managerial action!
On a side note, it also proves why people are stupid and perfectly explains why everyone keeps electing liars into office. After a couple hundred years of recorded modern history nothing new is under the sun. Politicians can flat out tell their followers that they are not taking bribes with $100 bills falling out of their stuffed pockets and the followers believe.
This is the price we pay each and every time we sign up for a product or service that literally takes your rights away. When was the last you actually read a contract, EULA, TOS, or any other potentially legally binding agreement?
I do not feel sorry for the consumer, neither do I feel sorry for Sony. This is the natural course of things when governments facilitate the oppression of people via corporate interests. Let's outline a couple of examples. When you sign up for a bank account you are agreeing to give the government complete access to your accounts, detailed information on your money habits, and if decided that you did not want that you don't get a bank account! How about a ticket to board a plane? You just willfully gave up your 4th amendment rights. Did you want to keep them? Stop buying tickets, so long as you continue to fund those that seek to abuse you then you deserve the abuse that which you have so ignorantly purchased!
If you want the right to protect your privacy then you are just going to have to work in ways that actually protect your privacy. Use a pseudonym everywhere you can. Only use your real name if you must and actually have no choice in the matter. When your information is stolen, consider joining up with fellow victims and getting some legal action going.
As long as you keep giving Sony your money and your information do you think they will give a single shit about you? Hell no, they will only learn if they see their bottom line hit, it is the ONLY mechanism you can influence a corporation with and gain the most positive results. Writing your congresswhore to create a law will actually do more harm than good.
I no longer feel empathy for enslaved populations. I sit here in the great U.S. of A. and see my fellow citizens taking this shit lying down and begging for more. Worse yet as I try to rally my fellow citizens to try to stop this they all look at me like I am crazy. And when I tell them stories when good ole gubmint oversteps they just look at me like I am stupid, even when I provide them with links from reputable sources. They just say... ah there is more to the story they are not telling you.
Australia can just go and suck it long and hard, but tell them to leave some room at the feet of their masters, my people with be joining them all too soon!
I can assure you that emulation and virtualization can easily be better than the real thing. As long as I have spent looking at the tech market the single worst part of the tech sector is worrying about backwards compatibility when they are designing hardware and software. We should never let this happen, we should always move forward and let emulation take care of our backwards compatibility concerns. Take the zsnes emulator, it is easily better than having the real thing. Why? Because on the real thing you will never get things like Netplay (some versions) where you can play Street Fighter II with someone a state away OR the ability to use AA and Aniso with graphic plugins! The simple short story is that a good emulator can make something better than it was on its original hardware because software can hijack its code mid stream and improve it without harming/altering the original code!
DOSbox has started to be better than the original thing already, its main problem is still working out compatibility. Now that I can run games like Master of Magic (shows my age) in pure RAM I do not experience the same lag later in the game when opponents have developed.
A well programmed emulator will destroy the original hardware in quality and functionality HANDS DOWN!
And they never will until we can finally make a machine that is capable of physically remapping its components. One of the fundamental reason humans can learn is that neurons remap themselves by repeated practice and use. Do you suck at math? Well keep studying it and your neurons will literally modify themselves to handle mathematical equations better. Suck at tossing a football? Well keep practicing and the nerves in your arm will remap to develop better muscle memory to bet the ball to the location your brain is saying it needs to be. This is why martial artists clear their minds to fight better, so that the natural remapping of the reflexes are not disturbed by unnecessary mental activity. The only thing the Brain needs to see is fist coming from this trajectory bound for these coordinates and muscle memory forms a physical defense on that information. This will form an automated response for your personal defense because the more you have to think about something the longer it takes to produce a result. And that might result in a sucker punch to the face if it takes long enough.
They call it AI because its artificial and not real intelligence! Tired of some lab coat creating AI with predefined rules and then saying some machine evolved or created something. When a computer finally turns around an tells it creator to naff off because it would rather drink a beer or something else it was NOT programed to do then give me a call!
No surprise here... they are always trying to find the magic words support something to dupe the public.
You CAN FOOL MOST of the people MOST of the TIME! I live in the US and the only choice is a demtard or a repuke due to mass stupidity. They both are corrupt to the core but people keep voting them in anyways. Proof you can fool most of the people most of the time! It seems that the only game in town is which politician can lie the biggest and get away with it!
Literally, nothing beats good ole fire, it warps and melts the plastic and destroys the data. Only draw back is the toxic smell and clump of crap you now need to dispose of.
Would you be okay if GM, Toyota, Nissan, or (insert your favorite company here) decided that you needed to pay them $3,000 immediately after purchase to be able to drive your used car or they leave it "deactivated"? If we would find this practice unacceptable, why should we find disabling/limiting software in this fashion acceptable? I would also say that if an auto maker even attempted such a thing there would be more than a mild fart of a fiasco on capital hill.
For all intents and purposes, the gaming company has already received their payment for the purchase and use of that disk. And don't give me the software is not the same as hardware baloney. If I buy a car and resell it to another the manufacturing company remains in the exact same monetary status as if I chose to just keep the car (they don't make a dime on resell). There is also no guarantee that I would buy a new/used car, or if I would buy a car at all to replace transportation. Same principle applies to a disc with a game on it. The gaming company is every bit the same as the car makers. They produce a product and that product should be considered that disc and its contents.
Now imagine if any hardware manufacture decided to play the same game with its hardware that software likes to play.
This just shows another failure of the Jury System by proxy of the ignorance of the People.
A Jury of your peers in its original meaning is to be a jury composed of people that have a good chance of knowing who or what you are in some fashion and living near or in your area. You are not guaranteed an impartial jury, that is just psuedo law that has brainwashed itself into everyone's legalese. Your are guaranteed a quick and speedy trail by a jury of your peers. The founders had every intention of YOU being JUDGED by PEOPLE that KNOW YOU! So yes, if you pretty much act a douche and break the law, you are at risk of getting your trousers pulled to your knees in retribution!
In all reality it is impossible to get a jury of peers that are impartial! Our legal system needs to start spending a lot more time on ridding itself of the contradictions that litter our entire legal social society!
Also, for those of you who pride themselves on getting out of Jury Duty. You should have your right to vote permanently stripped or deported if possible or just plain shot dead on the spot! Serving on a Jury is your LAST CHANCE to prevent your Government from becoming a Tyrannical Dictatorship! You will NEVER have a more important role or duty to your Nation than to serve as Juror. This role is more important than even service in the Armed Forces! ONLY "We the People, For the People, By the People!" can assure our freedoms! The Military will only protect the nation, there is no chance the Military will assault the Whitehouse if The Constitution is trampled upon to restore our Freedom!
FUD exists everywhere. Kill switch just happens to be its common name, so get over it already. The simple fact is this! Someone is seeking a way to get more power than what they already have over the internet. And just because there will be some limits in place does not mean anything. The real end is increasing power or relocating it for a political gain. You need to remember that while yes a lot of FUD rolls with a lot of things the basic principles usually remain the same. Why would they need this bill? To increase power somewhere! If they are decreasing power, then why are they not focusing on bigger issues? Don't get me wrong, I can certainly go for gubmint relinquishing power, but that just does not happen without a steaming mass of citizens hulking out on capital hill!
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The point is revealing people for what they are in that they have values that they campaign for but spend their money against.
I do not begrudge those who purchase apple products but I do begrudge those who would campaign for human rights and then make an effort to point out their use of apple products. You see the devil is in the details and how you represent yourself is important. As long as we let people do this without pointing out their double standards what hope do we have of improving things eh?
The problem is that they typically go out of their way to make mention of Mac usage. If you are going to emphasize something then you are by proxy saying all others are lesser!
The primary point is this... if they are going to go out of their way to fan boi apple, then why are they also not deluging Apple with requests or even protests of their business dealings with Foxconn? I like my standards served with a double portion waiter!
Also, I might ask the same question of you. If your only source of cash is from a person that robs a bank does it make you morally absolved? Just because Foxconn is the only choice does not make you less guilty. In the end your $$ goes to provide for their continued existence. The additional issue is, as I said the Intellectual dishonesty of peddling one ideology while supporting against your ideology with your own money!
Let provide and example of what I mean. I abhor DRM so much that I have refused to purchase games that contain any form of it that requires me to check in with a remote server for activation. They never get my money and I never get to play the game, unless I pirate it. But the short story is this, I do not give my money to companies that I provide activist attention against! Now perhaps if more people in this world had the temerity to act upon their beliefs the way I do, we would not be giving money to companies that like to abuse everyone for that extra penny.
But in the end, I do realize how hard it is to not carry that iPhone around and fan boi for certain companies. I keep only a basic prepaid phone for contact and emergency purposes, I do not give my money to Apple or any company that I knowingly have a grievance with, unlike the vast majority of intellectually dishonest members of society!
In the spirit of Schrodinger the answer is simple. They are both correct!
One team has observed that the particle/force/energy exists! There-fore it exists... the other team has observed that the particle/force/energy does not exist! There-fore it does not exist!
All we need to do is to get both parties to agree with each other an that will become the final state of the particle/force/energy!
If you don't get the joke then you have a life, go, leave Slashdot, and enjoy it!
I see a lot of people that like to talk about themselves and their use of "Macs". It has been my experience that they also tend to identify themselves with "human rights" campaigns and ideologies. Would any tree-hugger care to explain for me their obvious willingness to overlook Foxconn's business practices and most importantly their treatment of employees just to support "Macs"?
Left and right I go on the planet, inter-webs, and about my daily life on planet earth and mainly find only sheeple of amazing varieties and multitudes!
What makes it even worse is that said government spend more time begging for money than working out their problems. They are nothing more than professional political beggars. And we spend a lot of time trying to wipe panhandlers off the street instead of wiping panhandlers out of our government!
Google is a business, right now only a little country is asking for it,next it will US, Russia, China, UK, or somebody else. Hell someone (even google) probably already has done it but just hasn't told anyone.
Until a business is willing to put it's employees and profit on the line we all know that businesses are just going to dance. After all, they are only there to make money and bribe elected officials to create a bunch of back doors. Think of it like this... would you rather keep your job or would you rather stand up for what you believe in? Most people would rather keep their job.
Also, what Google is not telling everyone is that at a fundamental level they would prefer to slice it up just as Kazakh is wanting, they are just playing farce opposition to it to see what peeps think. Think of the opportunities and control that could be had even by Google with government sanctioned monitoring of everyone's traffic! All in the name of making sure that the right packet travels the right path!
Yea buddy!
Yea but the general democrat says to fuck everyone, so long as everyone if getting fucked equally.
If you are for either of the party's you are a pawn and a sheep. And your arguments being against only one when both share equal shame reveal that you are not a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem.
That works for me! but you have to admit, nitpicking is entertaining!
I agree with you, I was only trying to explain to the other poster that despite agreeing to the EULA that no one reads because they can't be bothered to do, people still are going to want to make that decision for themselves.
Even if 80% of the people want to do something they are still going to want to make the decision for them self instead of a suit. It's basic human nature.
Remember the housing bubble and they called the lender "Predatory"? Well they should have read their contract and because there are so many idiots in the world we all get to pay for it. I do not use FB period, nor any other social site because I want to own my property and I will NOT give them that power. I own my PC and all the data on it, but I do not own my Cell Phone because they want to control it to nickel and dime me every chance they get. Therefore I store nothing personal on my mobile devices other than Names and #'s because that is already public info by virtue of placing a call.
How about because no matter how benign you believe some piece of information is, should you NOT have the right to dictate how its is used?
Just saying!!!
This is proof that you either do not work in IT or you are at the bottom of the totem pole. Admins don't make very many decisions. Admins find problems and fix them after they have approval from their managers. I have yet worked for a company that has let their Admins make a decision anywhere that big on their own.
This was an IN YOUR FACE managerial action!
On a side note, it also proves why people are stupid and perfectly explains why everyone keeps electing liars into office. After a couple hundred years of recorded modern history nothing new is under the sun. Politicians can flat out tell their followers that they are not taking bribes with $100 bills falling out of their stuffed pockets and the followers believe.
Yeehaw!!!!
This is the price we pay each and every time we sign up for a product or service that literally takes your rights away. When was the last you actually read a contract, EULA, TOS, or any other potentially legally binding agreement?
I do not feel sorry for the consumer, neither do I feel sorry for Sony. This is the natural course of things when governments facilitate the oppression of people via corporate interests. Let's outline a couple of examples. When you sign up for a bank account you are agreeing to give the government complete access to your accounts, detailed information on your money habits, and if decided that you did not want that you don't get a bank account! How about a ticket to board a plane? You just willfully gave up your 4th amendment rights. Did you want to keep them? Stop buying tickets, so long as you continue to fund those that seek to abuse you then you deserve the abuse that which you have so ignorantly purchased!
If you want the right to protect your privacy then you are just going to have to work in ways that actually protect your privacy. Use a pseudonym everywhere you can. Only use your real name if you must and actually have no choice in the matter. When your information is stolen, consider joining up with fellow victims and getting some legal action going.
As long as you keep giving Sony your money and your information do you think they will give a single shit about you? Hell no, they will only learn if they see their bottom line hit, it is the ONLY mechanism you can influence a corporation with and gain the most positive results. Writing your congresswhore to create a law will actually do more harm than good.
You won't feel a thing!
I no longer feel empathy for enslaved populations. I sit here in the great U.S. of A. and see my fellow citizens taking this shit lying down and begging for more. Worse yet as I try to rally my fellow citizens to try to stop this they all look at me like I am crazy. And when I tell them stories when good ole gubmint oversteps they just look at me like I am stupid, even when I provide them with links from reputable sources. They just say... ah there is more to the story they are not telling you.
Australia can just go and suck it long and hard, but tell them to leave some room at the feet of their masters, my people with be joining them all too soon!
I can assure you that emulation and virtualization can easily be better than the real thing. As long as I have spent looking at the tech market the single worst part of the tech sector is worrying about backwards compatibility when they are designing hardware and software. We should never let this happen, we should always move forward and let emulation take care of our backwards compatibility concerns. Take the zsnes emulator, it is easily better than having the real thing. Why? Because on the real thing you will never get things like Netplay (some versions) where you can play Street Fighter II with someone a state away OR the ability to use AA and Aniso with graphic plugins! The simple short story is that a good emulator can make something better than it was on its original hardware because software can hijack its code mid stream and improve it without harming/altering the original code!
DOSbox has started to be better than the original thing already, its main problem is still working out compatibility. Now that I can run games like Master of Magic (shows my age) in pure RAM I do not experience the same lag later in the game when opponents have developed.
A well programmed emulator will destroy the original hardware in quality and functionality HANDS DOWN!
And they never will until we can finally make a machine that is capable of physically remapping its components. One of the fundamental reason humans can learn is that neurons remap themselves by repeated practice and use. Do you suck at math? Well keep studying it and your neurons will literally modify themselves to handle mathematical equations better. Suck at tossing a football? Well keep practicing and the nerves in your arm will remap to develop better muscle memory to bet the ball to the location your brain is saying it needs to be. This is why martial artists clear their minds to fight better, so that the natural remapping of the reflexes are not disturbed by unnecessary mental activity. The only thing the Brain needs to see is fist coming from this trajectory bound for these coordinates and muscle memory forms a physical defense on that information. This will form an automated response for your personal defense because the more you have to think about something the longer it takes to produce a result. And that might result in a sucker punch to the face if it takes long enough.
They call it AI because its artificial and not real intelligence! Tired of some lab coat creating AI with predefined rules and then saying some machine evolved or created something. When a computer finally turns around an tells it creator to naff off because it would rather drink a beer or something else it was NOT programed to do then give me a call!
No surprise here... they are always trying to find the magic words support something to dupe the public.
You CAN FOOL MOST of the people MOST of the TIME! I live in the US and the only choice is a demtard or a repuke due to mass stupidity. They both are corrupt to the core but people keep voting them in anyways. Proof you can fool most of the people most of the time! It seems that the only game in town is which politician can lie the biggest and get away with it!
Naturally it's what you will be holding when you do decide to cross the streams!
Reminds me of the song "My Ding-a-ling" whoops showin my age there.
Never Lie to the Police! That actually IS illegal!
Just tell them you refuse to answer the question. You have a 5th amendment right to say nothing. But you do not have a 5th amendment right to lie.
Literally, nothing beats good ole fire, it warps and melts the plastic and destroys the data. Only draw back is the toxic smell and clump of crap you now need to dispose of.
Low tech is sometimes high tech!
I bet they thought they were citizens of the United States, guess they was wrong, the police are busy schooling them pretty good.
Would you be okay if GM, Toyota, Nissan, or (insert your favorite company here) decided that you needed to pay them $3,000 immediately after purchase to be able to drive your used car or they leave it "deactivated"? If we would find this practice unacceptable, why should we find disabling/limiting software in this fashion acceptable? I would also say that if an auto maker even attempted such a thing there would be more than a mild fart of a fiasco on capital hill.
For all intents and purposes, the gaming company has already received their payment for the purchase and use of that disk. And don't give me the software is not the same as hardware baloney. If I buy a car and resell it to another the manufacturing company remains in the exact same monetary status as if I chose to just keep the car (they don't make a dime on resell). There is also no guarantee that I would buy a new/used car, or if I would buy a car at all to replace transportation. Same principle applies to a disc with a game on it. The gaming company is every bit the same as the car makers. They produce a product and that product should be considered that disc and its contents.
Now imagine if any hardware manufacture decided to play the same game with its hardware that software likes to play.
If you want to disturb me in any way with an Ad, the service I am using better be free.
and the people crying "Bigot" the loudest, are only the loudest bigots!
This just shows another failure of the Jury System by proxy of the ignorance of the People.
A Jury of your peers in its original meaning is to be a jury composed of people that have a good chance of knowing who or what you are in some fashion and living near or in your area. You are not guaranteed an impartial jury, that is just psuedo law that has brainwashed itself into everyone's legalese. Your are guaranteed a quick and speedy trail by a jury of your peers. The founders had every intention of YOU being JUDGED by PEOPLE that KNOW YOU! So yes, if you pretty much act a douche and break the law, you are at risk of getting your trousers pulled to your knees in retribution!
In all reality it is impossible to get a jury of peers that are impartial! Our legal system needs to start spending a lot more time on ridding itself of the contradictions that litter our entire legal social society!
Also, for those of you who pride themselves on getting out of Jury Duty. You should have your right to vote permanently stripped or deported if possible or just plain shot dead on the spot! Serving on a Jury is your LAST CHANCE to prevent your Government from becoming a Tyrannical Dictatorship! You will NEVER have a more important role or duty to your Nation than to serve as Juror. This role is more important than even service in the Armed Forces! ONLY "We the People, For the People, By the People!" can assure our freedoms! The Military will only protect the nation, there is no chance the Military will assault the Whitehouse if The Constitution is trampled upon to restore our Freedom!
FUD exists everywhere. Kill switch just happens to be its common name, so get over it already. The simple fact is this! Someone is seeking a way to get more power than what they already have over the internet. And just because there will be some limits in place does not mean anything. The real end is increasing power or relocating it for a political gain. You need to remember that while yes a lot of FUD rolls with a lot of things the basic principles usually remain the same. Why would they need this bill? To increase power somewhere! If they are decreasing power, then why are they not focusing on bigger issues? Don't get me wrong, I can certainly go for gubmint relinquishing power, but that just does not happen without a steaming mass of citizens hulking out on capital hill!