I understand where you're coming from, but none of these points pertain to the.NET Framework as a Framework, but rather what you can build with it. The Framework is the CLR and standardized API. Constructing their own GTK# language and database access is not an extension to "The Framework" but rather an implementation of the "The Framework". Unless they are making modifications to the CLR and/or adding new instructions to the CIL, they're not extending anything, anymore than I do when I write my own application.
He said: In other words, Mono is.NET, embraced and extended. Sounds like he's saying it extends the framework to me......and can you explain to me how the.NET Framework is improved upon in Mono?
Calling Mono an extension to.NET because it uses Gnome is like calling a Ford car chassis with a Yugo engine an enhanced vehicle.
Mono feeds off of the various Linux GUI libararies in order to implement the windowing requirements for.NET.
Mono offers no improvements to.NET as a Framework. They are also nowhere near completion of implementing the entire Framework. Right now Mono is a "neat tool" which might let you run your C# app under Linux (no offense to your work and efforts intended, Miguel).
The entire architecture for the.NET Framework and the Common Language Runtime is that you write once and compile anywhere (as opposed to Java which is compile once, run anywhere). The architecture for the CLR has been open to allow other vendors to create their own for whichever system they feel like.
If Microsoft had intended to squash competition with their CLR, they would not have gone out of their way to implement it in this manor. Their intent is to compete with Java, plain and simple.
Mono _IS_ the.NET Framework. So how is it not a knock off? Because it runs on Linux?
And just because Mono uses GTK which can also run on Windows does _NOT_ mean that there is no work involved in porting it to another architecture. The fact of the matter is that porting from windows to linux to bsd to solaris will always involve some sort of functional changes.
Mono is simply.NET for non-Windows environments. Its a.NET Knock off.
Absolutely. It would also allow us to see up close certain areas of the globe that have interesting features (Trees on Mars?).
One thing I do not get from this is the structure of the balloon. It looks like a balloon with a glider hanging from it.... sure you can hang a glider from a balloon to "stabilize" it, but how would that be any more advantagous than hanging a counter weight with fins?
If a Linux worm was written that attacked RedHat.com or GNU.org, they would in fact say that an anti-OSS person was to blame.
The fact here is that this was created by someone in the OSS community with the intent to cause harm to an "enemy" (Microsoft and SCO). Ignoring this fact is like claiming that Al Qaida isn't comprised of Muslims.
Is this the part where I hear a lengthy diatribe about government workers sucking on the fat teet of the people?
Actually, yes it is. Because while supply and demand define employment rates and benefits, the government does not remotely acknowledge it. A really simple example is the fact that you have a pension after retirement, where as corporate executives these days do not even have the option to receive a pension, let alone the everyday worker. So yes, you are "sucking on the fat teet of the people", and if you work in the DMV of NJ, you do not work hard enough.
... But we're not disgussing negligence here, we're discussing the cost of the virus....but while we're on the topic of negligence and "necessary precautions", it took anti-virus companies about a day to understand what the virus was and to provide a patch/filter for it. This means that for 24 hrs the virus was running rampant and any virus scanning software you had on your mail server was inaffective at best.
If anyone is negligent here, its the users who opened the suspect email... but then again... we're not discussing negligence, we're discussing the cost of the virus.
If the power went off in the office building and nobody could use their computers, would you have a problem with someone computing the "cost" of the power outage?
In reality, an entire office's email system and network can be brought to its knees by such a virus, simply by the amount of traffic it produces. As a result, everyone needs to stop what they are doing, unplug their computer from the network, get the IT guy who will then insist on re-imaging the system.
Take a company of 400 where the avg salary is $60,000. 400 people not working for one day b/c the network is down and the IT guy is fixing their computer adds up perfectly (400 * 60,000)/365.
These viruses cost actual money that can easily be computed. There are numbers for "slacking on the job" as well, but they do not factor into this equation because we're discussing the cost of the virus on businesses.
The reason why we hear about the cost of this virus is because its difficult to understand how some douche bag writing a virus can produce monetary losses.... its just a program after all...
There is nothing scientific about what this device does. It does not create new Hypotheses but merely uses "existing well known" methods to explain things. That would place it in the realm of automation, not science.
Japan is not a super power. The idea that Canada, France, Germany and Singapore having an economy anywhere in comparison of the United State's is a complete farce.
9/11 happenned because the United States is on top and thats what gets you the most recognition.
But if you want to bring up foreign policy over the last 2 decades, be my guest. You're referring to what exactly? Our support for Afghanistan and Iraq? Our support of Israel? Our support of Saudi Arabia? What precisely are you referring to? You could argue Saddam, but the fact of the matter is that the Arabs were begging us to prevent him from invading the Arab Peninsula.
Don't confuse Arab's hatred for Jews with the United State's foreign policies. I'm still wondering just who we've oppressed over the last 2 decades. The Vietnamese? Latin Americans?
Yeah, now thats an original comment. If America felt the same way about the middle east as I do, the middle east would already be a glass parking lot.
The rest of the world doesn't like America because we have a strong, relatively stable economy and we reap its benefits.
When the "rest of the world" isn't pissing and moaning about us cleaning up other country's shit, they're begging us for some sort of aid or govt contract.
Woah there, Tiger. Don't assume that because we have freedom of religion, that some westerners don't apply their religion to every aspect of their lives, everyday.
We dislike Iran today because they are a direct threat to the security of the United States in the same way North Korea and Afghanistan is. The Saudi's are not building nuclear weapons and funding terror with state funds, unlike Iran and North Korea. I personally dislike the Saudi's and their government, but the United States is prioritizing its asshole list, as they should. The fact of the matter is that that USA doesn't give a flying rats ass about what a country does to its citizens until the country monopolizes oil production or threatens the US with some sort of terrorism. Its not our job to free the world and we do not do that until leaders of a country plan to blow up the Lincoln or Holland tunnel, like Saddam did back in '92, or when Bin Laden flew planes into the WTC. So don't try to explain to us about how we're wrong about the evils of the middle east because the fact of the matter is that we simply don't care, so long as they don't fuck with us.
....and when the other rover touches down without problems on the 24th... will that still be luck?
The fact of the matter is that its science. When something fails its mission, its not due to "luck", its due to miscalculation or a lack of information.
I'm not sure what a "wright wing" freak is, but I guess I understand what you're attempting to convey.
I'm a Republican. I'm Agnostic. I don't believe that humans are destroying the habitability of the atmosphere wrt temperature.
That being said, why exactly are you so angry with religion? Is it just Christianity? Do you dislike Jews and Muslims? What about the inky-dinky-doo tribes of bumble-fuck Africa? What about Baptist?
I guess my question is: Why do you care if someone believes in God or not? How does you not believing in God make you a better, more intelligent, advanced, etc person?
woah there cowboy! I am not a global warming freak. In fact, I do believe the atmosphere is warming, but I don't think there is enough data to remotely assume the cause of it.... and please don't criticize my education, especially since I went to a private school. It just makes you look like an asshole.
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I understand where you're coming from, but none of these points pertain to the .NET Framework as a Framework, but rather what you can build with it. The Framework is the CLR and standardized API. Constructing their own GTK# language and database access is not an extension to "The Framework" but rather an implementation of the "The Framework". Unless they are making modifications to the CLR and/or adding new instructions to the CIL, they're not extending anything, anymore than I do when I write my own application.
Did you read his posting?
.NET, embraced and extended. ...and can you explain to me how the .NET Framework is improved upon in Mono?
He said:
In other words, Mono is
Sounds like he's saying it extends the framework to me...
Calling Mono an extension to .NET because it uses Gnome is like calling a Ford car chassis with a Yugo engine an enhanced vehicle.
.NET.
.NET as a Framework. They are also nowhere near completion of implementing the entire Framework. Right now Mono is a "neat tool" which might let you run your C# app under Linux (no offense to your work and efforts intended, Miguel).
Mono feeds off of the various Linux GUI libararies in order to implement the windowing requirements for
Mono offers no improvements to
Bullshit.
.NET Framework and the Common Language Runtime is that you write once and compile anywhere (as opposed to Java which is compile once, run anywhere). The architecture for the CLR has been open to allow other vendors to create their own for whichever system they feel like.
The entire architecture for the
If Microsoft had intended to squash competition with their CLR, they would not have gone out of their way to implement it in this manor. Their intent is to compete with Java, plain and simple.
Mono _IS_ the .NET Framework. So how is it not a knock off? Because it runs on Linux?
.NET for non-Windows environments. Its a .NET Knock off.
And just because Mono uses GTK which can also run on Windows does _NOT_ mean that there is no work involved in porting it to another architecture. The fact of the matter is that porting from windows to linux to bsd to solaris will always involve some sort of functional changes.
Mono is simply
Absolutely. It would also allow us to see up close certain areas of the globe that have interesting features (Trees on Mars?).
One thing I do not get from this is the structure of the balloon. It looks like a balloon with a glider hanging from it.... sure you can hang a glider from a balloon to "stabilize" it, but how would that be any more advantagous than hanging a counter weight with fins?
If a Linux worm was written that attacked RedHat.com or GNU.org, they would in fact say that an anti-OSS person was to blame.
The fact here is that this was created by someone in the OSS community with the intent to cause harm to an "enemy" (Microsoft and SCO). Ignoring this fact is like claiming that Al Qaida isn't comprised of Muslims.
I rest my case, Teet Sucker.
Is this the part where I hear a lengthy diatribe about government workers sucking on the fat teet of the people?
Actually, yes it is. Because while supply and demand define employment rates and benefits, the government does not remotely acknowledge it. A really simple example is the fact that you have a pension after retirement, where as corporate executives these days do not even have the option to receive a pension, let alone the everyday worker. So yes, you are "sucking on the fat teet of the people", and if you work in the DMV of NJ, you do not work hard enough.
... But we're not disgussing negligence here, we're discussing the cost of the virus. ...but while we're on the topic of negligence and "necessary precautions", it took anti-virus companies about a day to understand what the virus was and to provide a patch/filter for it. This means that for 24 hrs the virus was running rampant and any virus scanning software you had on your mail server was inaffective at best.
If anyone is negligent here, its the users who opened the suspect email... but then again... we're not discussing negligence, we're discussing the cost of the virus.
If the power went off in the office building and nobody could use their computers, would you have a problem with someone computing the "cost" of the power outage?
In reality, an entire office's email system and network can be brought to its knees by such a virus, simply by the amount of traffic it produces. As a result, everyone needs to stop what they are doing, unplug their computer from the network, get the IT guy who will then insist on re-imaging the system.
Take a company of 400 where the avg salary is $60,000. 400 people not working for one day b/c the network is down and the IT guy is fixing their computer adds up perfectly (400 * 60,000)/365.
These viruses cost actual money that can easily be computed. There are numbers for "slacking on the job" as well, but they do not factor into this equation because we're discussing the cost of the virus on businesses.
The reason why we hear about the cost of this virus is because its difficult to understand how some douche bag writing a virus can produce monetary losses.... its just a program after all...
Why prototype in hardware if it can be done in software faster and easier?
Actually, a containment system could be made that could survive re-entry and impact in such a case.
If you remember, lots of pieces of the shuttle were completely intact even after they hit the ground...
There is nothing scientific about what this device does. It does not create new Hypotheses but merely uses "existing well known" methods to explain things. That would place it in the realm of automation, not science.
Japan is not a super power. The idea that Canada, France, Germany and Singapore having an economy anywhere in comparison of the United State's is a complete farce.
9/11 happenned because the United States is on top and thats what gets you the most recognition.
But if you want to bring up foreign policy over the last 2 decades, be my guest. You're referring to what exactly? Our support for Afghanistan and Iraq? Our support of Israel? Our support of Saudi Arabia? What precisely are you referring to? You could argue Saddam, but the fact of the matter is that the Arabs were begging us to prevent him from invading the Arab Peninsula.
Don't confuse Arab's hatred for Jews with the United State's foreign policies. I'm still wondering just who we've oppressed over the last 2 decades. The Vietnamese? Latin Americans?
Please clarify.
Yeah, now thats an original comment. If America felt the same way about the middle east as I do, the middle east would already be a glass parking lot.
The rest of the world doesn't like America because we have a strong, relatively stable economy and we reap its benefits.
When the "rest of the world" isn't pissing and moaning about us cleaning up other country's shit, they're begging us for some sort of aid or govt contract.
Like I said, I don't like the Saudis, but we're picking our battles.
:-P
The Saudi govt is our little bitch for the time being, have no doubt about that.
If it were up to me, the middle east would be one big glass highway... if you catch my drift
Woah there, Tiger. Don't assume that because we have freedom of religion, that some westerners don't apply their religion to every aspect of their lives, everyday.
We dislike Iran today because they are a direct threat to the security of the United States in the same way North Korea and Afghanistan is. The Saudi's are not building nuclear weapons and funding terror with state funds, unlike Iran and North Korea. I personally dislike the Saudi's and their government, but the United States is prioritizing its asshole list, as they should. The fact of the matter is that that USA doesn't give a flying rats ass about what a country does to its citizens until the country monopolizes oil production or threatens the US with some sort of terrorism. Its not our job to free the world and we do not do that until leaders of a country plan to blow up the Lincoln or Holland tunnel, like Saddam did back in '92, or when Bin Laden flew planes into the WTC. So don't try to explain to us about how we're wrong about the evils of the middle east because the fact of the matter is that we simply don't care, so long as they don't fuck with us.
You have once again successfully screwed your fellow citizen. I commend you!
....and when the other rover touches down without problems on the 24th... will that still be luck?
The fact of the matter is that its science. When something fails its mission, its not due to "luck", its due to miscalculation or a lack of information.
I'm not sure what a "wright wing" freak is, but I guess I understand what you're attempting to convey.
I'm a Republican. I'm Agnostic. I don't believe that humans are destroying the habitability of the atmosphere wrt temperature.
That being said, why exactly are you so angry with religion? Is it just Christianity? Do you dislike Jews and Muslims? What about the inky-dinky-doo tribes of bumble-fuck Africa? What about Baptist?
I guess my question is: Why do you care if someone believes in God or not? How does you not believing in God make you a better, more intelligent, advanced, etc person?
woah there cowboy! I am not a global warming freak. In fact, I do believe the atmosphere is warming, but I don't think there is enough data to remotely assume the cause of it. ... and please don't criticize my education, especially since I went to a private school. It just makes you look like an asshole.
Global Warming is a fact. Whether its caused by the greenhouse effect or not is debatible along with whether or not humans are the cause.
Yes, Name the names. Inquiring minds want to know. Post anonymously if necessary.
Exactly.
Also, WHO is the financial company? Meryl Lynch? I've heard they are horrible with the way they hire and fire their employees.