What kind of odds will the bookies give on the city and DA pressing additional charges against Childs for breaking the password policy by telling the mayor?
It might not be done in this instance, but if Childs is cleared, I wouldn't be surprised if this is taken as a secondary out.
It's possible he won't be able to work for a municipality or certain corporations, but so what...
If he's cleared of all charges (either by them being dropped, dismissed or found not guilty), why should he be unable to work for a municipality? Are they allowed to discriminate against people who have been cleared of all charges? They aren't allowed to discriminate against you because of race, gender, religion or have a handicap, so why should they be allowed to discriminate against someone who the judicial system has deemed innocent?
in fact, each judge should spend mandatory time in jail. I'm 1000% serious. they are so far detached from the common-experience, they have NO IDEA what the fuck they are doing.
Do you really think they'll end up getting the same treatment from the guards as everybody else? I'd consider it highly unlikely that they'd ever be put with the regular people, submitted to strip searches, have the cell tossed etc.
Opera Software is a Norwegian corporation. It would be Norwegian laws and court that would apply, not US ones.
That has never been an issue before. It's fairly simple to get an injunction against distributing a company's product. And keep while Opera doesn't have that big a market for computers, it's very popular on smart phones.
And if there's an injunction against distributing the Opera browser, that'll stop Nintendo from distributing the Wii, as that's the browser of choice there.
So... you want Opera to include in their main browser a feature that you know is an optional 3rd party plug-in in for Firefox?
Have you considered why Adblock might be a 3rd party plug-in? Apart from the "barebones" bit. Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Now, is it possible to make a third party addition to Opera that shares adsites to block? Certainly. I'm willing to bet that it's also possible to use the same lists that Adblock uses. To make things easy to start with, it could use mvps' list as a starter.
Basically it boils down to the same complaints you hear about Linux from people who are used to Windows: "but I need $program, and I don't want to look for replacements".
Now, what is the best option for you? I have the faintest idea. I'm quite satisfied with the built in filtering as it is. If I go to a site that has some annoying banners, it rarely takes me more than 30 seconds to block them, and I can live with that.
Is it as effective as Adblock? No clue - I don't use Adblock or Firefox if I can avoid it. It lacks the basic things that I love in Opera. Funny how that works out - one man's must have item is another man's "meh".
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
It's worse than that. In regular gravity, any fluid left over will go to the floor. Where will it go in freefall? Essentially everywhere. Be it your clothes, your hair, electronics...
It's probably a bit more serious than it is fun.
Also - imagine what happens if someone sneezes. Apart from the jet effect, you now have a huge spray of mist that'll continue until it hits something.
Localized for a global product doesn't mean it's not a problem.
At one point, HP had an issue with a shipment of colour toner cartridges that essentially exploded when in use. Not leak toner, but to the extent that it would be able to easily leave the confines of the printer itself.
This only happened in Scandinavia, didn't happen to any cartridges sold separately, and as far as I remember, it only happened to the cartridges that came with the printer, and only in a certain S/N rage.
From what we were told in the trenches, it came down to how a shipment of printers had been stored on their way to the distribution centre - I think it was an issue with temperature or something. And to make things stranger, I had one customer on the phone who had bought four of these printers for the office at the same time and only one of them had done this.
And it wasn't something that happened outside of Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden either.
Really odd things can happen during transport that will make your devices behave in unforeseen ways. Even in sporadic ways. Localized can easily mean that the issue is limited to a specific batch, that something non-standard is going on there (i.e. 245v@53Hz just to pull something odd out of thin air) or just localized phenomena
After all, humans have been using pigeons to transmit information for a LONG time before David Waitzman wrote that RFC. There IS a reason they're called Carrier Pigeons.
the Reaganite doctrine that a government should not be allowed to do anything that a capitalist middle-man could make a profit on.
I doubt that's a complete doctrine. Where are these privatized police forces in the US? What cities or states enacted this during Regan's time in office?
Did your company did itself an economic grave so deep that it couldn't get out again? Well, if you're a normal person you're shit out of luck, but if your company is big enough and its management were incompetent enough, the government will step in and bail it out, and the incompetent management will be given its usual bonuses.
Did your company go and break the law in some way? Well, if you're a normal person, that's too bad, but if your company is big enough we're expected to just say "awww... well, shucks - you go right ahead, it's no big deal".
Technically Fox News is an independent news stations. I realise they're an easy target, but it is really difficult to claim that they are unbiased when they are willing to call people who disagree with a republican president traitors, and people who disagree with a democratic president patriots.
To me, the best kind of news agency is the one that is always in opposition to the government and always critical of what happens in politics.
One somewhat ironic way that might be accomplished is to enshrine into law a publicly funded news agency (like the BBC), that is required by law to ask tough questions of government and politicians in general. The trick to this, is of course that some politicians are very keen on pressuring such organizations into sacking critical journalists etc., and it is rather tricky to set up a system, when the politicians have the option of cutting off funding if they don't get their way. I don't think it's impossible - it's just not something that'd be possible to fit into a Slashdot post. Nor is it something I have a solution to.
Problem is, no one really pays attention in traffic.
I'm 6'4. Place me on my bike, and I'm still about 6' off the ground. When on my bike I either wear a high visibility vest, a really ugly but colourful top in gree, red, yellow and blue (like I said - UGLY) that stands out like an albino in Nigeria. And I still manage to get clipped by drivers who don't pay attention to their surroundings.
The last time a guy clipped me, I was in the designated bicycle lane, he then swerved into oncoming traffic before swinging back into his own lane, across the bicycle lane and hitting a lamp post.
When the police got there (I stuck around to get my name on the report, as I needed the report for my insurance claim), one of the officers were talking to the driver while the other one was talking to me. And at one point the one talking to the driver pointed to me and said a bit too loud "are you telling me that you didn't see that ugly blouse, sticking out like a sore thumb, covering a large section of space six feet off the ground? You'd have had better luck making me believe you, if you said you were blinded by it!"
Yes, quite a lot of people on bicycles are idiots in traffic - but being competent and obeying the traffic laws doesn't help you when you're surrounded by morons who fail to realise that driving around in a heavy piece of machinery isn't a right. It's a privilege and it requires a lot of attention.
I wouldn't mind having compulsory driving tests every few years. Hell, make them free of charge. Fail the test and your licence is revoked and you need to go through classes again. And if you cannot manage to pull a few hours out of your calendar every few years to renew your license, well - then you probably don't need a license.
I for one can't wait until this "government school scheduling program" is applied to my government-run healthcare system to schedule patients.
You've got it the wrong way around. This scheduling program is being run by a private company at the cost of 4.1 million dollars.
In other words, this is what you get when you let private companies run (parts of) institutions that should be a foundation of society - i.e. this is the equivalent of HMOs being responsible for the health care system. Oh, wait, they more or less are, aren't they?
Mr. commodore64_love's foot - meet Mr. commodore64_love's mouth.
*beats the slashcode designer to a pulp and thanks the Opera designers for making sure that it remembers the contents of forms when you go back in its history*
It gets more complex as well. For instance, you may have: * 3 chemistry labs, * 6 levels of chemistry that requires labwork, * 400 students * five teachers capable of teaching different levels of the subject (i.e. <=2, <=2, <=3, <=4, <=6).
And when those teachers also teach 3 other subjects (with no overlaps), the students have an average of 5 other subjects as well, only 20% of the chemistry students share 2 courses, 60% share 3 courses, 15% share 4 courses and the remaining 5% do not share any courses, you might start to get an idea of the problem.
I wouldn't be particularly surprised if you could run the schedule routine thousands of times and not get the same result, making it a sort of Monte Carlo algorithm.
It gets more complex as well. For instance, you may have: * 3 chemistry labs, * 6 levels of chemistry that requires labwork, * 400 students * five teachers capable of teaching different levels of the subject (i.e. Monte Carlo algorithm.
A pair of entrepreneurs were giving a talk at my university about their successes and failures in the start-up phase of their company.
They had been spending about 18 months straight building a class scheduling program, and had gotten it to work, but they felt their four day run time was way too long to market, and couldn't figure out how to improve the speed and were about to give up. They were using an old version of the university's students, teachers, student's course wishes and rooms.
At a party at the university one of them was talking to someone from the school's administration and after a couple of drinks they got to talking about the work he was doing, and he mentioned the 36 hour run time, which made the administration guy look quite surprised, as they were used to having a two week run time on their current system, which they were happy with, as it was one of the fastest on the market.
Now, this anecdote was somewhat old at the time, but his point was "a product may seem worthless to you as an outsider of the industry, but that doesn't mean it isn't better than what's available". My point is that these type of scheduling takes a long time to complete
You may not believe, that black people should have to give up their seats to whites - but those are the rules that society has agreed upon. You have two options - get the rules changed or face the music when you don't follow the rules.
I do believe that Rosa Parks did one of those things and was a large part of the reason the other thing happened...
She didn't attack the arresting officer, she didn't call him a thug, she didn't try to set the bus on fire. She faced the music.
When Parks refused to give up her seat, a police officer arrested her. As the officer took her away, she recalled that she asked, "Why do you push us around?" The officer's response as she remembered it was, "I don't know, but the law's the law, and you're under arrest." She later said, "I only knew that, as I was being arrested, that it was the very last time that I would ever ride in humiliation of this kind."
See - no name calling.
I did not want to be mistreated, I did not want to be deprived of a seat that I had paid for. It was just time... there was opportunity for me to take a stand to express the way I felt about being treated in that manner. I had not planned to get arrested. I had plenty to do without having to end up in jail. But when I had to face that decision, I didn't hesitate to do so because I felt that we had endured that too long. The more we gave in, the more we complied with that kind of treatment, the more oppressive it became
See - she was willing to face the music. She worked with Martin Luther King Jr., another person willing to face the music to change the rules. A man who told his followers that when they would be hit with clubs and fire hoses, they shouldn't t fight back but just keep on marching. A man who wasn't afraid to be arrested for civil disobedience.
Now, I realise that the reason you brought up bus thing was to "shame" me by liking me to the supporters of Jim Crow laws, which is why I've linked to both Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. - it's rare to see examples of people who are willing to fight the establishment when their own freedom are put at risk. Most will back down at the threat of being jailed. These wouldn't. That's why I linked to their Wiki entries - now you can read up on what they actually did. That way you don't have to make a fool of yourself again.
That being said, it's rather pathetic that you liken the actions of two multi billion dollar companies apparently breaking patent laws to avoid paying money to a company that barely breaks the billion dollar mark (AT&T + Veriozon: $244B, TiVo: 1B) to that of the civil rights movement. What next - are vegetarians or amateur painters to be likened to Hitler?
These two things (civil rights and patent suits between companies) are about as different as day and yellow. Like I said - if TiVo were suing people who built their own DVRs, we might start to talk about that being bad, but TiVo as a company not only creates and sells DVR devices, they also have patents on them. And if another company (especially companies that are worth almost 160 times as much) wants to create similar products, they must either work around those patents or license them from the patent holder. TiVo claims AT&T and Verizon have done neither.
And AT&T and Verizon don't need you to fight their fights for them. They'd just as soon shoot out your knees to steal your money if they could get away with it. If they don't like the patent in question (which they apparently don't) they can fight it in court or they can bribe^wconvince congress to change the rules. And if they accomplish the latter, don't expect AT&T and Verizon to come to your door with a heartfelt thank you and a discount. You're more likely to receive a cease and desist for breaking one of their patents or not using their networks.
Well, that's the thing. If TiVo has a patent on time-shifting using a harddrive, then that is what the patent covers. We may not like it, but then we should try to change the patent system instead of calling companies that try to defend the patents that they use in actual products "trolls".
You may not believe, that you should have to pay a fee just to use an SUV in London - but those are the rules that society has agreed upon. You have two options - get the rules changed or face the music when you don't follow the rules.
Now, if this was targeted at individual people building their own home made DVR, we could talk about trolling even though patents also cover those things. But here we're talking about AT&T and Verizon, two companies with a market cap of $156 billion and $88 billion respectively. They should know better. Okay, it's AT&T and Verizon - from what we hear about them on Slashdot, I doubt they DO know better. And if 10% of what we hear about here is true, they sure as hell don't deserve us defending them.
Be that as it may, it still boils down to calling James Cameron a leech on society just because you don't watch movies.
Just like how copyright infringement doesn't become legal, just because you don't want to pay for the items (which is the equivalent of what AT&T and Verizon is being sued for doing).
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What kind of odds will the bookies give on the city and DA pressing additional charges against Childs for breaking the password policy by telling the mayor?
It might not be done in this instance, but if Childs is cleared, I wouldn't be surprised if this is taken as a secondary out.
If he's cleared of all charges (either by them being dropped, dismissed or found not guilty), why should he be unable to work for a municipality? Are they allowed to discriminate against people who have been cleared of all charges? They aren't allowed to discriminate against you because of race, gender, religion or have a handicap, so why should they be allowed to discriminate against someone who the judicial system has deemed innocent?
Do you really think they'll end up getting the same treatment from the guards as everybody else? I'd consider it highly unlikely that they'd ever be put with the regular people, submitted to strip searches, have the cell tossed etc.
That has never been an issue before. It's fairly simple to get an injunction against distributing a company's product. And keep while Opera doesn't have that big a market for computers, it's very popular on smart phones.
And if there's an injunction against distributing the Opera browser, that'll stop Nintendo from distributing the Wii, as that's the browser of choice there.
So ... you want Opera to include in their main browser a feature that you know is an optional 3rd party plug-in in for Firefox?
Have you considered why Adblock might be a 3rd party plug-in? Apart from the "barebones" bit. Could it be because the first sign that Mozilla is actively including a list of ads to block, they will be sued into the ground in the US and other places for interfering with other people's income? And while they might win such a lawsuit, don't they have better ways to spend their money?
And if they were to lose such a lawsuit, Mozilla might get off somewhat easy, as they are a non-profit organization. Opera on the other hand isn't.
Now, is it possible to make a third party addition to Opera that shares adsites to block? Certainly. I'm willing to bet that it's also possible to use the same lists that Adblock uses. To make things easy to start with, it could use mvps' list as a starter.
And, if you really want to be pedantic, there's always the option of using Google to find what you're looking for. There seems to be quite few attempts at recreating Adblock:
Tamil's My.Opera blog
OperaWiki.info has some suggestions
Lex1's blog on My.Opera also has some ideas
There's even a Flashblock for Opera
Basically it boils down to the same complaints you hear about Linux from people who are used to Windows: "but I need $program, and I don't want to look for replacements".
Now, what is the best option for you? I have the faintest idea. I'm quite satisfied with the built in filtering as it is. If I go to a site that has some annoying banners, it rarely takes me more than 30 seconds to block them, and I can live with that.
Is it as effective as Adblock? No clue - I don't use Adblock or Firefox if I can avoid it. It lacks the basic things that I love in Opera. Funny how that works out - one man's must have item is another man's "meh".
And if you want to be really pedantic, the one thing that Firefox still kind of needs is a built in ad blocker that's as good as Adblock.
It's worse than that. In regular gravity, any fluid left over will go to the floor. Where will it go in freefall? Essentially everywhere. Be it your clothes, your hair, electronics ...
It's probably a bit more serious than it is fun.
Also - imagine what happens if someone sneezes. Apart from the jet effect, you now have a huge spray of mist that'll continue until it hits something.
Don't you realise that thinking of the children makes you a paedophile?
Localized for a global product doesn't mean it's not a problem.
At one point, HP had an issue with a shipment of colour toner cartridges that essentially exploded when in use. Not leak toner, but to the extent that it would be able to easily leave the confines of the printer itself.
This only happened in Scandinavia, didn't happen to any cartridges sold separately, and as far as I remember, it only happened to the cartridges that came with the printer, and only in a certain S/N rage.
From what we were told in the trenches, it came down to how a shipment of printers had been stored on their way to the distribution centre - I think it was an issue with temperature or something. And to make things stranger, I had one customer on the phone who had bought four of these printers for the office at the same time and only one of them had done this.
And it wasn't something that happened outside of Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden either.
Really odd things can happen during transport that will make your devices behave in unforeseen ways. Even in sporadic ways. Localized can easily mean that the issue is limited to a specific batch, that something non-standard is going on there (i.e. 245v@53Hz just to pull something odd out of thin air) or just localized phenomena
I believe Kevin Smith said in one of his Evening talks that to many movies the cinema more or less functions as advertisement for DVD sales.
Of course fictional characters can die. They can be killed off by their creators.
If you want to be really pedantic, it was the script writer, in the office, with a typewriter.
Well, it is an implicit suggestion.
After all, humans have been using pigeons to transmit information for a LONG time before David Waitzman wrote that RFC. There IS a reason they're called Carrier Pigeons.
I doubt that's a complete doctrine. Where are these privatized police forces in the US? What cities or states enacted this during Regan's time in office?
How can you not love these types of arguments?
Did your company did itself an economic grave so deep that it couldn't get out again? Well, if you're a normal person you're shit out of luck, but if your company is big enough and its management were incompetent enough, the government will step in and bail it out, and the incompetent management will be given its usual bonuses.
Did your company go and break the law in some way? Well, if you're a normal person, that's too bad, but if your company is big enough we're expected to just say "awww ... well, shucks - you go right ahead, it's no big deal".
Technically Fox News is an independent news stations. I realise they're an easy target, but it is really difficult to claim that they are unbiased when they are willing to call people who disagree with a republican president traitors, and people who disagree with a democratic president patriots.
To me, the best kind of news agency is the one that is always in opposition to the government and always critical of what happens in politics.
One somewhat ironic way that might be accomplished is to enshrine into law a publicly funded news agency (like the BBC), that is required by law to ask tough questions of government and politicians in general. The trick to this, is of course that some politicians are very keen on pressuring such organizations into sacking critical journalists etc., and it is rather tricky to set up a system, when the politicians have the option of cutting off funding if they don't get their way. I don't think it's impossible - it's just not something that'd be possible to fit into a Slashdot post. Nor is it something I have a solution to.
Problem is, no one really pays attention in traffic.
I'm 6'4. Place me on my bike, and I'm still about 6' off the ground. When on my bike I either wear a high visibility vest, a really ugly but colourful top in gree, red, yellow and blue (like I said - UGLY) that stands out like an albino in Nigeria. And I still manage to get clipped by drivers who don't pay attention to their surroundings.
The last time a guy clipped me, I was in the designated bicycle lane, he then swerved into oncoming traffic before swinging back into his own lane, across the bicycle lane and hitting a lamp post.
When the police got there (I stuck around to get my name on the report, as I needed the report for my insurance claim), one of the officers were talking to the driver while the other one was talking to me. And at one point the one talking to the driver pointed to me and said a bit too loud "are you telling me that you didn't see that ugly blouse, sticking out like a sore thumb, covering a large section of space six feet off the ground? You'd have had better luck making me believe you, if you said you were blinded by it!"
Yes, quite a lot of people on bicycles are idiots in traffic - but being competent and obeying the traffic laws doesn't help you when you're surrounded by morons who fail to realise that driving around in a heavy piece of machinery isn't a right. It's a privilege and it requires a lot of attention.
I wouldn't mind having compulsory driving tests every few years. Hell, make them free of charge. Fail the test and your licence is revoked and you need to go through classes again. And if you cannot manage to pull a few hours out of your calendar every few years to renew your license, well - then you probably don't need a license.
You've got it the wrong way around. This scheduling program is being run by a private company at the cost of 4.1 million dollars.
In other words, this is what you get when you let private companies run (parts of) institutions that should be a foundation of society - i.e. this is the equivalent of HMOs being responsible for the health care system. Oh, wait, they more or less are, aren't they?
Mr. commodore64_love's foot - meet Mr. commodore64_love's mouth.
*beats the slashcode designer to a pulp and thanks the Opera designers for making sure that it remembers the contents of forms when you go back in its history*
It gets more complex as well. For instance, you may have:
* 3 chemistry labs,
* 6 levels of chemistry that requires labwork,
* 400 students
* five teachers capable of teaching different levels of the subject (i.e. <=2, <=2, <=3, <=4, <=6).
And when those teachers also teach 3 other subjects (with no overlaps), the students have an average of 5 other subjects as well, only 20% of the chemistry students share 2 courses, 60% share 3 courses, 15% share 4 courses and the remaining 5% do not share any courses, you might start to get an idea of the problem.
I wouldn't be particularly surprised if you could run the schedule routine thousands of times and not get the same result, making it a sort of Monte Carlo algorithm.
It gets more complex as well. For instance, you may have:
* 3 chemistry labs,
* 6 levels of chemistry that requires labwork,
* 400 students
* five teachers capable of teaching different levels of the subject (i.e. Monte Carlo algorithm.
A pair of entrepreneurs were giving a talk at my university about their successes and failures in the start-up phase of their company.
They had been spending about 18 months straight building a class scheduling program, and had gotten it to work, but they felt their four day run time was way too long to market, and couldn't figure out how to improve the speed and were about to give up. They were using an old version of the university's students, teachers, student's course wishes and rooms.
At a party at the university one of them was talking to someone from the school's administration and after a couple of drinks they got to talking about the work he was doing, and he mentioned the 36 hour run time, which made the administration guy look quite surprised, as they were used to having a two week run time on their current system, which they were happy with, as it was one of the fastest on the market.
Now, this anecdote was somewhat old at the time, but his point was "a product may seem worthless to you as an outsider of the industry, but that doesn't mean it isn't better than what's available". My point is that these type of scheduling takes a long time to complete
That way Fox News will be forced to calling him a socialist supporter of Hugo Chavez and close one of the last places that man can get any airtime.
I do believe that Rosa Parks did one of those things and was a large part of the reason the other thing happened ...
She didn't attack the arresting officer, she didn't call him a thug, she didn't try to set the bus on fire. She faced the music.
See - no name calling.
See - she was willing to face the music. She worked with Martin Luther King Jr., another person willing to face the music to change the rules. A man who told his followers that when they would be hit with clubs and fire hoses, they shouldn't t fight back but just keep on marching. A man who wasn't afraid to be arrested for civil disobedience.
Now, I realise that the reason you brought up bus thing was to "shame" me by liking me to the supporters of Jim Crow laws, which is why I've linked to both Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. - it's rare to see examples of people who are willing to fight the establishment when their own freedom are put at risk. Most will back down at the threat of being jailed. These wouldn't. That's why I linked to their Wiki entries - now you can read up on what they actually did. That way you don't have to make a fool of yourself again.
That being said, it's rather pathetic that you liken the actions of two multi billion dollar companies apparently breaking patent laws to avoid paying money to a company that barely breaks the billion dollar mark (AT&T + Veriozon: $244B, TiVo: 1B) to that of the civil rights movement. What next - are vegetarians or amateur painters to be likened to Hitler?
These two things (civil rights and patent suits between companies) are about as different as day and yellow. Like I said - if TiVo were suing people who built their own DVRs, we might start to talk about that being bad, but TiVo as a company not only creates and sells DVR devices, they also have patents on them. And if another company (especially companies that are worth almost 160 times as much) wants to create similar products, they must either work around those patents or license them from the patent holder. TiVo claims AT&T and Verizon have done neither.
And AT&T and Verizon don't need you to fight their fights for them. They'd just as soon shoot out your knees to steal your money if they could get away with it. If they don't like the patent in question (which they apparently don't) they can fight it in court or they can bribe^wconvince congress to change the rules. And if they accomplish the latter, don't expect AT&T and Verizon to come to your door with a heartfelt thank you and a discount. You're more likely to receive a cease and desist for breaking one of their patents or not using their networks.
Well, that's the thing. If TiVo has a patent on time-shifting using a harddrive, then that is what the patent covers. We may not like it, but then we should try to change the patent system instead of calling companies that try to defend the patents that they use in actual products "trolls".
You may not believe, that you should have to pay a fee just to use an SUV in London - but those are the rules that society has agreed upon. You have two options - get the rules changed or face the music when you don't follow the rules.
Now, if this was targeted at individual people building their own home made DVR, we could talk about trolling even though patents also cover those things. But here we're talking about AT&T and Verizon, two companies with a market cap of $156 billion and $88 billion respectively. They should know better. Okay, it's AT&T and Verizon - from what we hear about them on Slashdot, I doubt they DO know better. And if 10% of what we hear about here is true, they sure as hell don't deserve us defending them.
Be that as it may, it still boils down to calling James Cameron a leech on society just because you don't watch movies.
Just like how copyright infringement doesn't become legal, just because you don't want to pay for the items (which is the equivalent of what AT&T and Verizon is being sued for doing).
I like to call this "the evolution of science" - tends to confuse the hell out of creationists.