My guess for Sauron being there was that he strikes me as the kind of vindictive evil bastard that would rather enjoy coming out to smash the last resisting Ring bearers (e.g. Elrond, who we see on the front line) flying with those rather impressive powers. Perhaps only a Ring bearer stands a proper chance against another so he is bringing out the big guns to finish the job, or perhaps he got cocky. Either way its in the nature of cinematic warriors to want to kill the opposition leaders themself.
Wonderful touch with the air-rush flattening everyone one the battlefield, anyway.
Aaah, but I'm sure you're aware that the link you've provided is just to the source for the game logic code. The difference here is that the complete code for the rendering engine has been released for the first two Quakes.
1) you could probably get this working with the free data files in the demo version if you try
2) as you'll discover if you give the demo a quick go, Quake II is far more bright and colourful than the first one was; the engine now includes coloured lighting effects and was written at a time when 3D cards were starting to become popular, so making the game look good on a 256-colour display was not the only concern.
Not to knock you for this cool game, but practically everyone has commented on the major-league system requirements for it. Did it really slow down that much with swaying trees? If so, I don't suppose turning them off is an option?
Some of my all time favorite games are great because they move 'right'. Can you imagine playing Spindizzy or Marble Madness with crap physics? I can, on a dire MM ripoff. It was frankly painful. The unexpected coolness that can result from engines that do things properly is very nice - although they cheated on the amount of kickback to do it, rocket jumping would never exist if they hadn't used impulses and momentum to control movement rather than old style 'move forward if the player pushes forward' arcade method.
This story here is the one you're looking for. The critical difference here is that the Nintendo mod, unlike the Sony one, just opens the machine up to play US games as well as Japan ones. Sony seems to worry a lot more about imports, but mainly worries about the fact that Sony mods also let you play pirate games.
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Those £20 from any Virgin or HMV cards do the job fine for DVD playback, but they don't work for games; the PS2 region control deliberately doesn't use the DVD region system, as that is so easily hacked.
Nintendo, on the other hand have hardly made it difficult to do region mods- National Console Support are a company dedicated to helping you import console stuff, and they will sell you a Japanese Cube pre-modded to also play US games very reasonably - a friend of mine has one from them and its a very professional job.
Firstly, you shouldn't be able to use your legal muscle to kill a company unless its actually breaking the law, I don't care how much effort your programming team put in.
Secondly, I only want a region chip because its cheaper to get one than it is to import the whole console. Believe me, if it was an either or situation without any cost or hassle implications I don't think a single person would buy the UK version of the PS2. I haven't got one at all, because these mods aren't known for their relibility, but I only want to play NTSC games, not the piece of junk PAL conversions we are given. I want to watch my collection of hundreds of (all legally bought) DVDs from around the world. I know a grand total of no people who have a DVD player incapable of playing US titles, and they don't see why it shouldn't be the same for games.
If you really feel what you're saying then just call anyone who bought a PS2 for Metal Gear Solid 2 an idiot - clearly thats how you feel about European gamers who want to do the same.
As someone (like many here) who works for a software company, the thing that worries ME about this story is that it seems the way the FBI managed this infiltration was by trading their way in. Yes, those nice government people who we pay taxes to were illegally giving software away in order to look 31337 with these guys. I'm all for busting warez crews, but not by having the FBI do their job for them first.
Meanwhile, although I see cheap DD/DTS amps everywhere, the only person I know with Pro-Logic II has it in a Tag McLaren pre-power system; not exactly budget priced...
You (or I, for that matter) may hear no difference between 190k.ogg files and uncompressed CDs, but remember that at $20 000 Linn is targeting the audience where the emphasis is on doing this to get rid of that oh-so-horrible jitter that is making CD not sound good enough!
"It does have the annoying tendency to break rightclicks though"
I can't recommend strongly enough changing the settings on the 'Transparency Popup' from Right Click to Right Click + Ctrl (or + Alt) - otherwise you'll get this behaviour.
I'm fairly sure there are adaptors to let you use PC keyboards and mice, but given the prices right now its not really worth the hassle - the Sega branded keyboard is quite a nice one as well.
Re:DMCA - err, what has he done?
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I'm not saying that if this became a major news story for some reason that Microsoft's well-documented attitude to open source wouldn't lead to them being in a bad mood at him, but right now all he has effectively done is set up a website saying "Look, I've ported this popular game (which isn't GPL, but I can get the source to) to the devkit, and it was much easier to work with as a developer than Sony's PS2 devkit is." Can you see them getting that upset about it?
In any case, the source for Quake is also available, and thats even under a GPL variant, but I can't see Microsoft telling Carmack and co. where to stick it if id want to do a version of Doom 3 for the XBox.
If using the 'hurt Microsoft by buying an X-Box and no games' is the way you get your kicks, why not just buy the $30-worth of cables to use it as a DVD player; its much simpler, and doesn't involve fancy hacking routines.
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To get sued under the DMCA he needs to have broken some sort of protection system; certainly he needs to have done something against his Devkit license agreement to get in any trouble. Compiling an open-source piece of software and then not releasing his changes anywhere might upset people who think MAME should be GPLed, but as a legitimate devkit owner he can compile what he likes for his own development purposes.
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Oh well, I see others can look up the story faster than I can. Still, my question does stand - can someone get this running on the standard shop-bought hardware, rather than on a dev-box where the issues of bootdiscs etc aren't present?
Check the last time this link was posted
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Does anyone have anything to add now the final machine is available? This link is the one given the last time the story ran here.
It would be nice to know someone has got this going on a final release machine, not just a devbox.
Dude, thats Christopher 'Fucking' Lee! As in Dracula, The Wicker Man, Man With The Golden Gun, the upcoming Lord Of The Rings etc. The guys an institution, practically. 'Dude who looks like Sean Connery' doesn't even begin to cover it.
If memory serves, the 'not quite standard' ports are just a different shape for the connection, so they (1) don't fall out as easy, and (2) mean Microsoft can make you buy a non-standard joystick, wheel, mouse, keyboard etc rather than off-the-shelf PC bits.
I'm buying the purple Gamecube, myself. Its such a nicer colour than green. Sony's idea of limited-edition differenty coloured PS2s sounds cool as well.
There was hardly any Windows in the Dreamcast at all; programmers could _choose_ to put a version of WinCE on the disc, if that is how they wanted to put a middleware on their dealings with the hardware, but others bypassed it completely and either wrote or bought a different solution.
As for the failing X-Boxes, thats been traced to the Halo demo (and possibly others) not correctly recompiling the code for the non-devkit boxes, and so failing when a debug dll call was made (the debug dlls not being on the disc). Bungie fixed it with a quick recompile, and I'd be surprised if the final releases have slipped through QA with this problem. Also, the fancy cabinet design has been blamed for letting some of them overheat, apparently.
I sort of agree with you that "Thank goodness we got our Nobel already cooking" is a bit dodgy, but it is a consequence of the fact that some really good, important work was done with it before the damage occurred. If this happened before we got any data out it would be even worse.
No actually; last time it was a completely different bunch of people doing it in California. This one is in London's Financial District, where the networks may have far more sensitive data available.
Whatever happened to all the Apple trailers being hosted by Akamai? When they were, I never had this kind of hassle accessing things, even when the _huge_ Episode 1 trailers were up at 640. Apple really shouldn't have stopped using them.
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My guess for Sauron being there was that he strikes me as the kind of vindictive evil bastard that would rather enjoy coming out to smash the last resisting Ring bearers (e.g. Elrond, who we see on the front line) flying with those rather impressive powers. Perhaps only a Ring bearer stands a proper chance against another so he is bringing out the big guns to finish the job, or perhaps he got cocky. Either way its in the nature of cinematic warriors to want to kill the opposition leaders themself.
Wonderful touch with the air-rush flattening everyone one the battlefield, anyway.
Aaah, but I'm sure you're aware that the link you've provided is just to the source for the game logic code. The difference here is that the complete code for the rendering engine has been released for the first two Quakes.
For what its worth:
1) you could probably get this working with the free data files in the demo version if you try
2) as you'll discover if you give the demo a quick go, Quake II is far more bright and colourful than the first one was; the engine now includes coloured lighting effects and was written at a time when 3D cards were starting to become popular, so making the game look good on a 256-colour display was not the only concern.
Not to knock you for this cool game, but practically everyone has commented on the major-league system requirements for it. Did it really slow down that much with swaying trees? If so, I don't suppose turning them off is an option?
Some of my all time favorite games are great because they move 'right'. Can you imagine playing Spindizzy or Marble Madness with crap physics? I can, on a dire MM ripoff. It was frankly painful. The unexpected coolness that can result from engines that do things properly is very nice - although they cheated on the amount of kickback to do it, rocket jumping would never exist if they hadn't used impulses and momentum to control movement rather than old style 'move forward if the player pushes forward' arcade method.
This story here is the one you're looking for. The critical difference here is that the Nintendo mod, unlike the Sony one, just opens the machine up to play US games as well as Japan ones. Sony seems to worry a lot more about imports, but mainly worries about the fact that Sony mods also let you play pirate games.
Nintendo, on the other hand have hardly made it difficult to do region mods- National Console Support are a company dedicated to helping you import console stuff, and they will sell you a Japanese Cube pre-modded to also play US games very reasonably - a friend of mine has one from them and its a very professional job.
Let me guess. You're American, aren't you?
Firstly, you shouldn't be able to use your legal muscle to kill a company unless its actually breaking the law, I don't care how much effort your programming team put in.
Secondly, I only want a region chip because its cheaper to get one than it is to import the whole console. Believe me, if it was an either or situation without any cost or hassle implications I don't think a single person would buy the UK version of the PS2. I haven't got one at all, because these mods aren't known for their relibility, but I only want to play NTSC games, not the piece of junk PAL conversions we are given. I want to watch my collection of hundreds of (all legally bought) DVDs from around the world. I know a grand total of no people who have a DVD player incapable of playing US titles, and they don't see why it shouldn't be the same for games.
If you really feel what you're saying then just call anyone who bought a PS2 for Metal Gear Solid 2 an idiot - clearly thats how you feel about European gamers who want to do the same.
As someone (like many here) who works for a software company, the thing that worries ME about this story is that it seems the way the FBI managed this infiltration was by trading their way in. Yes, those nice government people who we pay taxes to were illegally giving software away in order to look 31337 with these guys. I'm all for busting warez crews, but not by having the FBI do their job for them first.
Meanwhile, although I see cheap DD/DTS amps everywhere, the only person I know with Pro-Logic II has it in a Tag McLaren pre-power system; not exactly budget priced...
You (or I, for that matter) may hear no difference between 190k .ogg files and uncompressed CDs, but remember that at $20 000 Linn is targeting the audience where the emphasis is on doing this to get rid of that oh-so-horrible jitter that is making CD not sound good enough!
"It does have the annoying tendency to break rightclicks though"
I can't recommend strongly enough changing the settings on the 'Transparency Popup' from Right Click to Right Click + Ctrl (or + Alt) - otherwise you'll get this behaviour.
I'm fairly sure there are adaptors to let you use PC keyboards and mice, but given the prices right now its not really worth the hassle - the Sega branded keyboard is quite a nice one as well.
I'm not saying that if this became a major news story for some reason that Microsoft's well-documented attitude to open source wouldn't lead to them being in a bad mood at him, but right now all he has effectively done is set up a website saying "Look, I've ported this popular game (which isn't GPL, but I can get the source to) to the devkit, and it was much easier to work with as a developer than Sony's PS2 devkit is." Can you see them getting that upset about it?
In any case, the source for Quake is also available, and thats even under a GPL variant, but I can't see Microsoft telling Carmack and co. where to stick it if id want to do a version of Doom 3 for the XBox.
If using the 'hurt Microsoft by buying an X-Box and no games' is the way you get your kicks, why not just buy the $30-worth of cables to use it as a DVD player; its much simpler, and doesn't involve fancy hacking routines.
To get sued under the DMCA he needs to have broken some sort of protection system; certainly he needs to have done something against his Devkit license agreement to get in any trouble. Compiling an open-source piece of software and then not releasing his changes anywhere might upset people who think MAME should be GPLed, but as a legitimate devkit owner he can compile what he likes for his own development purposes.
Oh well, I see others can look up the story faster than I can. Still, my question does stand - can someone get this running on the standard shop-bought hardware, rather than on a dev-box where the issues of bootdiscs etc aren't present?
Does anyone have anything to add now the final machine is available? This link is the one given the last time the story ran here.
It would be nice to know someone has got this going on a final release machine, not just a devbox.
Dude, thats Christopher 'Fucking' Lee! As in Dracula, The Wicker Man, Man With The Golden Gun, the upcoming Lord Of The Rings etc. The guys an institution, practically. 'Dude who looks like Sean Connery' doesn't even begin to cover it.
If memory serves, the 'not quite standard' ports are just a different shape for the connection, so they (1) don't fall out as easy, and (2) mean Microsoft can make you buy a non-standard joystick, wheel, mouse, keyboard etc rather than off-the-shelf PC bits.
I'm buying the purple Gamecube, myself. Its such a nicer colour than green. Sony's idea of limited-edition differenty coloured PS2s sounds cool as well.
(insert obligatory Drazi joke here).
There was hardly any Windows in the Dreamcast at all; programmers could _choose_ to put a version of WinCE on the disc, if that is how they wanted to put a middleware on their dealings with the hardware, but others bypassed it completely and either wrote or bought a different solution.
As for the failing X-Boxes, thats been traced to the Halo demo (and possibly others) not correctly recompiling the code for the non-devkit boxes, and so failing when a debug dll call was made (the debug dlls not being on the disc). Bungie fixed it with a quick recompile, and I'd be surprised if the final releases have slipped through QA with this problem. Also, the fancy cabinet design has been blamed for letting some of them overheat, apparently.
I sort of agree with you that "Thank goodness we got our Nobel already cooking" is a bit dodgy, but it is a consequence of the fact that some really good, important work was done with it before the damage occurred. If this happened before we got any data out it would be even worse.
No actually; last time it was a completely different bunch of people doing it in California. This one is in London's Financial District, where the networks may have far more sensitive data available.
Whatever happened to all the Apple trailers being hosted by Akamai? When they were, I never had this kind of hassle accessing things, even when the _huge_ Episode 1 trailers were up at 640. Apple really shouldn't have stopped using them.