Perish the thought that protecting the very processes which are there to protect your fundamental freedoms would ever triumph over the ease of emotion laden controversy.
Why would Redhat waste their time releasing a "low-cost, no-support, barebones edition" when CentOS releases the full enterprise version of Redhat's OS? There's not many large businesses out there who would install a beast like Redhat on their servers without support, and small businesses are generally going to have intelligent people who have more say, and why would any intelligent person pay for a non-supported, pared down version when they can get the full thing for free?
Even when you consider businesses like web hosting, most clients consider the brand of Linux secondary to IIS vs. Apache, PHP vs. Python vs. Ruby, MySQL vs. SQL Server vs. PostgreSQL.
The first PC that I personally owned was a Packard Bell back in the summer of 1993. When I got the machine home and plugged it in, I was greeted with a DOS prompt. Wierd, since it was supposed to have Windows 3.1 on it.
After messing around with it a bit, I was able to pull up some software. Turns out that this machine was installed in a local hospital to keep records, they had problems with the machine and sent it back, and that the reason Windows wasn't on the system was because the software they were using didn't require Windows. So I had the medical records of thousands of patients on my system instead of the neato GUI I had waited for.
And people wonder why Service Merchandise had such a hard time staying in business.
Yes, because Adobe has such a great history of making speedy Flash applications. Kuler takes forever to load, and Adobe Bridge for CS3 takes even longer, and that's working with local files.
"Woooooot! We're giving you the same performance you had 10 years ago, and taking away your MDI! That'll be $2400 dollars, please."
At least they're giving other companies a heads up on how long they have to develop their own products to usurp Adobe's market share.
In fact, I do, frequently. And I'm telling you: the standard desktops worldwide at universities and companies are Windows.
Fixed.
You can no more make the case for Linux proliferation at universities and companies on the desktop than you can Macs. Go into any English or print or broadcasting or art or graphic design department at any school in the country and you'll find more Macs there than any other desktop. Similarly, there's a larger percentage of Linux systems (still a very small minority) when you're talking about Computer Science and Engineering departments. And there aren't many collegiate business departments that use Linux in any capacity, because Linux doesn't run Peachtree.
Stop being disingenuous to try to eek out a point. Every OS has its strong points, weak points, and its place in academia and business.
I've used the Google Maps API multiple times on a few websites for the magazine and newspaper publishing company I work for to provide businesses the ability to allow users a quick and easy way to get driving directions to whatever business they'd like to go to, and also to map out future events along with an events calendar. The most notable difference between the browsers that I've found is the lack of overlays on IE 6.x and previous.
Copper phone lines in my area got service back a week after Katrina.
Everyone with phone service provided by either their cable providers or cell providers had to wait a month.
So while all my neighbors were freaking over how their friends and families made out after the storm, I just had to wait a week and I could call mine. Because sometimes, old technology has stood the test of time because it WORKS.
You kooky, crazy early adopters go right on ahead forging into the technological wilderness with every dime you can spend trying to outdo the neighbors and friends and coworkers... I'll wait until my analog set dies, then make an informed decision on which tv set I wanna buy... at a significant discount and with significant improvements in quality.
It's always worked for me in the past. And if you don't believe me, just ask the folks who camped out all night to buy an iPhone that was $200 overpriced. They're probably the same goofballs who carried cell phones the size of bricks around with them in the late 80s.
This seems to be an ongoing issue with Linux distros.
I started out with Slackware, moved on to Redhat, then Mandrake came along and made Redhat more usable.
I dipped out of Linux for a while, came back in, and moved right into Debian because I liked their package management better.
Then used Mepis for a while before settling on Ubuntu.
What seems to happen is that a new distro will come along and their user community will be galvanized into keeping the distro up to date with the features that the desktop user community really wants, then when they decide to try to grab a piece of the corporate market, their updates slow down and you end up having to hunt more and more through different webpages to try to figure out how to get component X and feature Y to work with the distro.
Right now, I'm really happy with the speed in which new Ubuntu versions are coming out and the focus they seem to give the desktop market. Additionally, software like Aptana and Eclipse are making it easier for web application developers to do their thing without having to worry about being tied to a specific OS.
The fun thing is that at the rate Ubuntu and some of the other distros are going, in 5 years or so when the desktop environments trully mature on a level with OSX and Windows, they really WILL have the superior OS from a technical AND usability standpoint. Not only that, but it'll give the average home user more choices as the abominable "software as service" trend becomes more mainstream.
Religion had little to do with it other than the fact that the clergy were just about the only people well educated enough to make any kind of scientific breakthroughs until about 400 years ago. This is not so much a direct result of religion as it is belonging to a protected, elite class at a time where the majority of people on the entire planet had no education whatsoever.
If you are being purposefully obtuse to ignore the context of the argument, then not only do you appear to be wrong, but deceitful as well.
In terms of modern computing from the aspect of the average end user, the OS is OS + GUI + basic applications, period. Not only that, but continuing to ignore this simple fact marginalizes Linux, especially since most college age computer users have never used a PC without a mouse and GUI, ever. Meeting basic user expectations in terms of usability only helps the so-called legitimacy of your distro in comparison to the other major desktop OSes.
... blogs are the new attentive boyfriend who she can cheat with while she's with you. When YOU won't talk to them about their feelings because you really don't care about how horrible it was that her co-worker bought a pair of shoes just like hers after she had already shown hers off at work, she can go yap to a bunch of other estrogen driven goofballs who take that type of shit very seriously. Most of them will invariably be effeminate gay men who will pour their own pathetically wounded hearts into comments about fashion issues, and/or horny virgins who will feign sympathy in an attempt to garner long distance wank fests.
So after she blows off her steam and has her fill of stuff you don't care about, she'll need someone who smells of sweat and cheetoes and football and cars and even Xboxes, just to wash all the stink off after spending an hour or two gushing to that perfume laden fantasy world.
Of course, all you geeks will never have to worry about this. Level 65 Death Knights don't really let women near their PCs, after all. Or is it that women don't want to be near the PCs of level 65 Death Knights?
Bullshit you don't. Mr. McBob gets a nice, shiny Ubuntu disk because he hears how great it is. He doesn't know much about computers, but hey, you have to deal with those sorts of people when you're trying to build a market share. Mr. McBob has all sorts of family pictures, old emails, a contact book, and some of his financial records stored on the system.
Now, should Mr. McBob just toss the disk in and partition the drive? Most users who have no knowledge of partitioning would assume that if they're installing Ubuntu on their systems, that it would non-destructively partition the drive so that they can use all their existing data.
Imagine how pissed he's going to be when he realizes it just ate the pictures he took from his grandchild's first birthday, his last trip to Aspen, and his financial records from the last few years. Think he's going to be happy with his Ubuntu experience?
The differences are that (a) Windows already comes preinstalled on almost every system on the planet, (b) if you're reinstalling Windows, your system is probably so hosed that you can't get to the data anyway, and (c) Ubuntu and other Linux distros want to get people to SWITCH, which means that they have to go from what they already have to something new, which they wouldn't have to do in (a).
If you've spent any time in a real work environment, you know that most people are totally freaking oblivious to computer technology beyond what they absolutely have to do with the systems. If you want to get the average joe to switch, then you have to give him incentive to beyond the "free software" mantra, and giving him a tool as powerful and complex as disk druid is NOT a way to endear him to your cause.
Take an extra year and get a double major in CS and Accounting. Assuming that you have a decent GPA, you will have companies falling at your feet to pay you ridiculous money. Recruiters use the term "techno-functional business analyst," but what they mean is a developer who has the ability to understand both the technical aspect and the business logic that defines it.
I have a buddy who just did such a thing and his first job out of college is working for Deloitte at a salary north of 80K.
As an atheist, you also have to explain why you've completely ruled out the existence of God based on your limited knowledge.
Agnostics don't have to do that. They can just claim insufficient evidence and move on without a political bent to their beliefs.
As far as the marketplace is concerned, paranoid employers employ far more people than liberal employers do, and the fact that they are employers at all gives many companies an undeserved mandate to become paranoid. There are companies out there which require credit checks and drug screenings to do no more than answer the phone or flip a burger. There are quite a few businesses out there for which the immediate ability to remove all access to their systems by anyone anywhere in any of their facilities would be perceived to be a valuable asset, including banks (tellers), retailers (cashiers), consulting firms (proprietary documents), collections agencies (credit info), hospitals (drugs), and any business that does business with the Department of Defense.
Think like a salesman sometime. It'll open your eyes to how the marketplace actually works instead of how you would like for it to work.
It doesn't matter whether someone didn't vote last time. What matters is that they still have the right to vote NEXT time, and by ignoring them politically, you're isolating your voice as well as the potential for their own unique perspective to be added to the mix. If everyone you spoke to about matters told you to fuck off, sooner or later you'd take the hint.
Well, unless you're a stalker or a husband. That's what we have the 2nd amendment and rolling pins for.
Texas has no right to secede from the US and never has any more than any other state. This was not part of the congressional authorization. The only "unique" right that Texas has is the right to split itself up into 4 states at any time it chooses.
But the main thing that I loved above all else was the bite from the fizz. After I realized this, I made a quick switch to seltzer water with a lemon or lime wedge and sometimes some crushed mint. I get the same bite, but without all that extra stuff.
Perhaps you stupid city people should actually show up to the polls and vote instead of expecting someone else to do it for you. I mean, I know you get someone to do your dry cleaning, your finances, and even your daily transportation, but if you'd actually have the fortitude to VOTE on the rare and oh so inconvenient days that the polls are open, you wouldn't have this problem.
You know, when your education centers aren't rotting from the foundation upward while you build giant towers to act as weekend getaways for the rich elite that you like to claim as your own and when your neighbors aren't murdering each other like it's going out of style.
You want a game called Zelda that is completely and utterly unlike Zelda for the sake of making it different so that it will appeal to people who don't like or are bored by Zelda?
You wouldn't happen to work for Sony or Microsoft, would you?
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Perish the thought that protecting the very processes which are there to protect your fundamental freedoms would ever triumph over the ease of emotion laden controversy.
Why would Redhat waste their time releasing a "low-cost, no-support, barebones edition" when CentOS releases the full enterprise version of Redhat's OS? There's not many large businesses out there who would install a beast like Redhat on their servers without support, and small businesses are generally going to have intelligent people who have more say, and why would any intelligent person pay for a non-supported, pared down version when they can get the full thing for free?
Even when you consider businesses like web hosting, most clients consider the brand of Linux secondary to IIS vs. Apache, PHP vs. Python vs. Ruby, MySQL vs. SQL Server vs. PostgreSQL.
Yes. Unless the software is not maintained in a repository. Then the average Ubuntu user has no clue whatsoever how to install that software.
The first PC that I personally owned was a Packard Bell back in the summer of 1993. When I got the machine home and plugged it in, I was greeted with a DOS prompt. Wierd, since it was supposed to have Windows 3.1 on it.
After messing around with it a bit, I was able to pull up some software. Turns out that this machine was installed in a local hospital to keep records, they had problems with the machine and sent it back, and that the reason Windows wasn't on the system was because the software they were using didn't require Windows. So I had the medical records of thousands of patients on my system instead of the neato GUI I had waited for.
And people wonder why Service Merchandise had such a hard time staying in business.
Yes, because Adobe has such a great history of making speedy Flash applications. Kuler takes forever to load, and Adobe Bridge for CS3 takes even longer, and that's working with local files.
"Woooooot! We're giving you the same performance you had 10 years ago, and taking away your MDI! That'll be $2400 dollars, please."
At least they're giving other companies a heads up on how long they have to develop their own products to usurp Adobe's market share.
ree-you.
The "ee" sound is slightly abreviated.
Right. Because when you're a younger woman married to an older man, he married you for your personality.
The idea that Joseph didn't bang Mary before Jesus was conceived is more miraculous than any virgin birth or resurrection.
In fact, I do, frequently. And I'm telling you: the standard desktops worldwide at universities and companies are Windows. Fixed. You can no more make the case for Linux proliferation at universities and companies on the desktop than you can Macs. Go into any English or print or broadcasting or art or graphic design department at any school in the country and you'll find more Macs there than any other desktop. Similarly, there's a larger percentage of Linux systems (still a very small minority) when you're talking about Computer Science and Engineering departments. And there aren't many collegiate business departments that use Linux in any capacity, because Linux doesn't run Peachtree. Stop being disingenuous to try to eek out a point. Every OS has its strong points, weak points, and its place in academia and business.
I've used the Google Maps API multiple times on a few websites for the magazine and newspaper publishing company I work for to provide businesses the ability to allow users a quick and easy way to get driving directions to whatever business they'd like to go to, and also to map out future events along with an events calendar. The most notable difference between the browsers that I've found is the lack of overlays on IE 6.x and previous.
Is that a label which cultists apply to those who refuse to join their cult?
Windows users.
Copper phone lines in my area got service back a week after Katrina.
Everyone with phone service provided by either their cable providers or cell providers had to wait a month.
So while all my neighbors were freaking over how their friends and families made out after the storm, I just had to wait a week and I could call mine. Because sometimes, old technology has stood the test of time because it WORKS.
You kooky, crazy early adopters go right on ahead forging into the technological wilderness with every dime you can spend trying to outdo the neighbors and friends and coworkers... I'll wait until my analog set dies, then make an informed decision on which tv set I wanna buy... at a significant discount and with significant improvements in quality.
It's always worked for me in the past. And if you don't believe me, just ask the folks who camped out all night to buy an iPhone that was $200 overpriced. They're probably the same goofballs who carried cell phones the size of bricks around with them in the late 80s.
This seems to be an ongoing issue with Linux distros.
I started out with Slackware, moved on to Redhat, then Mandrake came along and made Redhat more usable.
I dipped out of Linux for a while, came back in, and moved right into Debian because I liked their package management better.
Then used Mepis for a while before settling on Ubuntu.
What seems to happen is that a new distro will come along and their user community will be galvanized into keeping the distro up to date with the features that the desktop user community really wants, then when they decide to try to grab a piece of the corporate market, their updates slow down and you end up having to hunt more and more through different webpages to try to figure out how to get component X and feature Y to work with the distro.
Right now, I'm really happy with the speed in which new Ubuntu versions are coming out and the focus they seem to give the desktop market. Additionally, software like Aptana and Eclipse are making it easier for web application developers to do their thing without having to worry about being tied to a specific OS.
The fun thing is that at the rate Ubuntu and some of the other distros are going, in 5 years or so when the desktop environments trully mature on a level with OSX and Windows, they really WILL have the superior OS from a technical AND usability standpoint. Not only that, but it'll give the average home user more choices as the abominable "software as service" trend becomes more mainstream.
Incorrect.
Religion had little to do with it other than the fact that the clergy were just about the only people well educated enough to make any kind of scientific breakthroughs until about 400 years ago. This is not so much a direct result of religion as it is belonging to a protected, elite class at a time where the majority of people on the entire planet had no education whatsoever.
If you are being purposefully obtuse to ignore the context of the argument, then not only do you appear to be wrong, but deceitful as well.
In terms of modern computing from the aspect of the average end user, the OS is OS + GUI + basic applications, period. Not only that, but continuing to ignore this simple fact marginalizes Linux, especially since most college age computer users have never used a PC without a mouse and GUI, ever. Meeting basic user expectations in terms of usability only helps the so-called legitimacy of your distro in comparison to the other major desktop OSes.
... blogs are the new attentive boyfriend who she can cheat with while she's with you. When YOU won't talk to them about their feelings because you really don't care about how horrible it was that her co-worker bought a pair of shoes just like hers after she had already shown hers off at work, she can go yap to a bunch of other estrogen driven goofballs who take that type of shit very seriously. Most of them will invariably be effeminate gay men who will pour their own pathetically wounded hearts into comments about fashion issues, and/or horny virgins who will feign sympathy in an attempt to garner long distance wank fests.
So after she blows off her steam and has her fill of stuff you don't care about, she'll need someone who smells of sweat and cheetoes and football and cars and even Xboxes, just to wash all the stink off after spending an hour or two gushing to that perfume laden fantasy world.
Of course, all you geeks will never have to worry about this. Level 65 Death Knights don't really let women near their PCs, after all. Or is it that women don't want to be near the PCs of level 65 Death Knights?
I forget.
Bullshit you don't. Mr. McBob gets a nice, shiny Ubuntu disk because he hears how great it is. He doesn't know much about computers, but hey, you have to deal with those sorts of people when you're trying to build a market share. Mr. McBob has all sorts of family pictures, old emails, a contact book, and some of his financial records stored on the system.
Now, should Mr. McBob just toss the disk in and partition the drive? Most users who have no knowledge of partitioning would assume that if they're installing Ubuntu on their systems, that it would non-destructively partition the drive so that they can use all their existing data.
Imagine how pissed he's going to be when he realizes it just ate the pictures he took from his grandchild's first birthday, his last trip to Aspen, and his financial records from the last few years. Think he's going to be happy with his Ubuntu experience?
The differences are that (a) Windows already comes preinstalled on almost every system on the planet, (b) if you're reinstalling Windows, your system is probably so hosed that you can't get to the data anyway, and (c) Ubuntu and other Linux distros want to get people to SWITCH, which means that they have to go from what they already have to something new, which they wouldn't have to do in (a).
If you've spent any time in a real work environment, you know that most people are totally freaking oblivious to computer technology beyond what they absolutely have to do with the systems. If you want to get the average joe to switch, then you have to give him incentive to beyond the "free software" mantra, and giving him a tool as powerful and complex as disk druid is NOT a way to endear him to your cause.
Take an extra year and get a double major in CS and Accounting. Assuming that you have a decent GPA, you will have companies falling at your feet to pay you ridiculous money. Recruiters use the term "techno-functional business analyst," but what they mean is a developer who has the ability to understand both the technical aspect and the business logic that defines it.
I have a buddy who just did such a thing and his first job out of college is working for Deloitte at a salary north of 80K.
As an atheist, you also have to explain why you've completely ruled out the existence of God based on your limited knowledge.
Agnostics don't have to do that. They can just claim insufficient evidence and move on without a political bent to their beliefs.
As far as the marketplace is concerned, paranoid employers employ far more people than liberal employers do, and the fact that they are employers at all gives many companies an undeserved mandate to become paranoid. There are companies out there which require credit checks and drug screenings to do no more than answer the phone or flip a burger. There are quite a few businesses out there for which the immediate ability to remove all access to their systems by anyone anywhere in any of their facilities would be perceived to be a valuable asset, including banks (tellers), retailers (cashiers), consulting firms (proprietary documents), collections agencies (credit info), hospitals (drugs), and any business that does business with the Department of Defense.
Think like a salesman sometime. It'll open your eyes to how the marketplace actually works instead of how you would like for it to work.
It doesn't matter whether someone didn't vote last time. What matters is that they still have the right to vote NEXT time, and by ignoring them politically, you're isolating your voice as well as the potential for their own unique perspective to be added to the mix. If everyone you spoke to about matters told you to fuck off, sooner or later you'd take the hint.
Well, unless you're a stalker or a husband. That's what we have the 2nd amendment and rolling pins for.
Stop drinking the Tidy-Bowl. Water has no tint of its own.
And a society that will not defend those who have no means to defend themselves is ethically and morally bankrupt.
This is what happens when you try to find a platitude that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy and righteous instead of using common sense.
Texas has no right to secede from the US and never has any more than any other state. This was not part of the congressional authorization. The only "unique" right that Texas has is the right to split itself up into 4 states at any time it chooses.
... to Coca Cola. That was after growing up for 21 years in which cola was a treat that almost never found its way into my family's household.
Sugar? Check.
Caffeine? Check.
Citrus flavor? Check.
But the main thing that I loved above all else was the bite from the fizz. After I realized this, I made a quick switch to seltzer water with a lemon or lime wedge and sometimes some crushed mint. I get the same bite, but without all that extra stuff.
Dropped 30lbs in 3 months after that switch.
Perhaps you stupid city people should actually show up to the polls and vote instead of expecting someone else to do it for you. I mean, I know you get someone to do your dry cleaning, your finances, and even your daily transportation, but if you'd actually have the fortitude to VOTE on the rare and oh so inconvenient days that the polls are open, you wouldn't have this problem.
You know, when your education centers aren't rotting from the foundation upward while you build giant towers to act as weekend getaways for the rich elite that you like to claim as your own and when your neighbors aren't murdering each other like it's going out of style.
You want a game called Zelda that is completely and utterly unlike Zelda for the sake of making it different so that it will appeal to people who don't like or are bored by Zelda?
You wouldn't happen to work for Sony or Microsoft, would you?