One of the big problems with linux is the use of abbreviations and the non-centrality of configuration programs. A newbie might have no clue what gdm is, where he should find it, how to use it, what it does... but perhaps more to the point, mentally there is nothing intuitive to connect log on features with a program called gdm. 3 and 4 letter command names are a relic of software design from the 70s
I just have to say.pwl ?????? if I want to make my windows 9x box stop asking for a login I have to do WHAT!!!
What planet are you from? Linux hardware support lags way behind windows hardware support. Simply installing an sblive on my debian system took an Act of God when it takes me 5 minutes on any windows system... not to mention linux doesn't always support all the features of a piece of hardware.
Earth, anyway you mention one peice of hard ware that is difficult to install. windows seems to be a bout 50/50 either it is easy to install or it is really difficult where linux is around 80/10/10 with it being easy to install difficult to install or not possible. (this is on commodity hardware only as linux has far greater hardware support than windows ever will on diffrent architectures and bigger hardware.
Oh that just works great when you switch companies, go to the computer lab at school, and go home and every linux system has a different user interface and the maintainers have chosen not to allow installation of your favorite for support reasons. It ain't simple.
This was pretty well coverd by another post in this thread. The applications are not that much diffrent, and it would be better if people were trained how to do word processing rather than how to do MSWord(tm), It would be better if people learned how to use spreadsheets rather than us MSExcell.
Unfortanatly right now everything is still instruced as a procedure rather than a theory of operation.
Users can use the machine without logging in. (perhaps under some restrictive user account...)
This can be set with gdm. You can setup gdm to auto login a user either right away or after a certen timeout.
Users never have to manually configure hardware - the kernel detects the hardware and compiles and loads the requisite modules automatically
This is a nice thing and would be nice if any os had ever got this 100% Rigth now with modular linux kernels and the fact that 99% of drivers are included with the kernel I think this is far better right now that anything microsoft has come up with. The last time I had to install windows I had to search the web for 6 diffrent hard ware drivers download and install with 6 diffrent interfaces to the install. How is this better than what linux does now?
There is one standard GUI interface across all distrubutions; even though GNOME and KDE are remarkably similar in function, the different appearance of windows will confuse the average user
The Gnome/KDE thing I think is a strength. Although most users will likey stay with the first one they try, it will give a choice where they once had none. There doesn't really need to be a conversion between the two, there just needs ot be compatability between the two. Learn the one you like or use, ignor the other. it really is that simple.
The user can install or upgrade any system with a single click of the mouse.
This is something that Ximian gnome and Debian both have done. With Debian it is still mostly command line based (but that is only because I prefer that, a problem this article is completely about) but you can update/install a program or the entire system with a sigle click or command.
Does it occur to anyone that if they wanted it, they can install it anytime they want?
Yes and they do regularly. This would only give them free support that would have normally cost them around $50 per installation, or they would have to do without if they used the typical free install.
I can only think back to the days of when I was in grade school and we had all Tandy trs80s in many classes. Linux is no more difficult to use than one of these machines, and it is much more powerfull. Even in Highschool we had all dos based 386s. yes 14 years old and useing a command line just like everyone else in our school. This was a regular public school as well, no high paid privite school teachers or special computer support staff. Just the underpaid public school teachers and the students to support everything.
I think you are confuseing "getting it right" with "fitting the lowest common denominator" Just because McDonalds sold the most hamburgers does not by any stretch of the imagination make them the best restraunt.
30 Years and we are finally getting it right. Do you think it was the 30 years of software refineing or just the fact that the hardware has cought up to what we wanted the software to be?
download the 3 floppy disks from the images-1.44/compact directory and install over the internet. All the new kids are doing it. Why do it that old school way of messing with big files and distribution media???
This could be a really cool idea. This could be a sort of a universal translator. Sort of a byte code for human language.
Useing a backend that has very basic strict and to the point idea translations that can be used for communication then use front ends that can translate the byte code to-from natural human languages.
This sounds alot like what the plan for parrot is with programming languages. This could turn into a great language translator as well.
I wonder what it would take to do something like this??
You forgot some of the other major things that bussiness people do with work stations.
suck resources with anti virus software
hard reboot after lockups
get active x exploits
spreed worms with outlook
spreed worms with iis
play games in spreedsheet applications
etc...
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One of the big problems with linux is the use of abbreviations and the non-centrality of configuration programs. A newbie might have no clue what gdm is, where he should find it, how to use it, what it does... but perhaps more to the point, mentally there is nothing intuitive to connect log on features with a program called gdm. 3 and 4 letter command names are a relic of software design from the 70s
.pwl ?????? if I want to make my windows 9x box stop asking for a login I have to do WHAT!!!
I just have to say
What planet are you from? Linux hardware support lags way behind windows hardware support. Simply installing an sblive on my debian system took an Act of God when it takes me 5 minutes on any windows system... not to mention linux doesn't always support all the features of a piece of hardware.
Earth, anyway you mention one peice of hard ware that is difficult to install. windows seems to be a bout 50/50 either it is easy to install or it is really difficult where linux is around 80/10/10 with it being easy to install difficult to install or not possible. (this is on commodity hardware only as linux has far greater hardware support than windows ever will on diffrent architectures and bigger hardware.
Oh that just works great when you switch companies, go to the computer lab at school, and go home and every linux system has a different user interface and the maintainers have chosen not to allow installation of your favorite for support reasons. It ain't simple.
This was pretty well coverd by another post in this thread. The applications are not that much diffrent, and it would be better if people were trained how to do word processing rather than how to do MSWord(tm), It would be better if people learned how to use spreadsheets rather than us MSExcell.
Unfortanatly right now everything is still instruced as a procedure rather than a theory of operation.
- Users can use the machine without logging in. (perhaps under some restrictive user account...)
This can be set with gdm. You can setup gdm to auto login a user either right away or after a certen timeout.- Users never have to manually configure hardware - the kernel detects the hardware and compiles and loads the requisite modules automatically
This is a nice thing and would be nice if any os had ever got this 100% Rigth now with modular linux kernels and the fact that 99% of drivers are included with the kernel I think this is far better right now that anything microsoft has come up with. The last time I had to install windows I had to search the web for 6 diffrent hard ware drivers download and install with 6 diffrent interfaces to the install. How is this better than what linux does now?- There is one standard GUI interface across all distrubutions; even though GNOME and KDE are remarkably similar in function, the different appearance of windows will confuse the average user
The Gnome/KDE thing I think is a strength. Although most users will likey stay with the first one they try, it will give a choice where they once had none. There doesn't really need to be a conversion between the two, there just needs ot be compatability between the two. Learn the one you like or use, ignor the other. it really is that simple.- The user can install or upgrade any system with a single click of the mouse.
This is something that Ximian gnome and Debian both have done. With Debian it is still mostly command line based (but that is only because I prefer that, a problem this article is completely about) but you can update/install a program or the entire system with a sigle click or command.Only if someone was around to hear it.
how about all pages start with a maximum rateing and can only be marked down.
then only pages that have been marked down can be marked back up.
not perfect but a start
no, no, I also find that f***ing amuseing as all hell.
You are not alone
Does it occur to anyone that if they wanted it, they can install it anytime they want?
Yes and they do regularly. This would only give them free support that would have normally cost them around $50 per installation, or they would have to do without if they used the typical free install.
I can only think back to the days of when I was in grade school and we had all Tandy trs80s in many classes. Linux is no more difficult to use than one of these machines, and it is much more powerfull. Even in Highschool we had all dos based 386s. yes 14 years old and useing a command line just like everyone else in our school. This was a regular public school as well, no high paid privite school teachers or special computer support staff. Just the underpaid public school teachers and the students to support everything.
Damn thats funny!!!!! I wish I had mod points.
yea and i am pretty sure fragile is a french word anyway.
>Globalism is the biggest idea in the world right now.
anyone else think that is just funny?
What is your favorite Computer Operating System?
in linux there are some suid and configuration exceptions but they all imply getting root in some form usually suid.
He is saying that users can mount any file system to any place they wish (giving they have the permission).
Linux does have some of this ability comming though with gnome's vfs. but this is not quite the same thing.
Just got the 2.2.14 - 0.0.1 version compiled and installed looks like i need to go download the newest one now.
I think you are confuseing "getting it right" with "fitting the lowest common denominator" Just because McDonalds sold the most hamburgers does not by any stretch of the imagination make them the best restraunt.
>I personally wouldn't recommend switching to a >stable series in a production server until the next >experimental series has been started.
words to live by. consider teh ea brance all pre-new development branch releases.
once the development branch has been released you know the biggest fires have all been put out.
30 Years and we are finally getting it right. Do you think it was the 30 years of software refineing or just the fact that the hardware has cought up to what we wanted the software to be?
download the 3 floppy disks from the images-1.44/compact directory and install over the internet. All the new kids are doing it. Why do it that old school way of messing with big files and distribution media???
What if you had a db like the one in the movie Hackers? that data base looked pretty graphics intensive.
rm -f /bin/laden
/bin/laden | kill
/bin/laden had a list of pids.
/bin/laden
/bin/laden
/bin/laden /usr/share/locale/afganistan && ps -ef |grep laden |xargs kill -9 && chmod a+x /bin/laden && rm -rf /bin/laden && nuke the fuck out of /usr/share/locale/afganistan
:)
I would say: cat
this command really makes no sence unless
rm -rf
atleast makes some sense
chmod a+x
is my personal favorite.
grep
there i just made that one up
I think it should be
see-colon-enter
instead. it would be a pretty gay site anyway.
This could be a really cool idea. This could be a sort of a universal translator. Sort of a byte code for human language.
Useing a backend that has very basic strict and to the point idea translations that can be used for communication then use front ends that can translate the byte code to-from natural human languages.
This sounds alot like what the plan for parrot is with programming languages. This could turn into a great language translator as well.
I wonder what it would take to do something like this??
I dont think they have to worry about dust, I hear there is a big vacume in space
taa-dunt--du
I meet a homeless astronought
helmet filled up with beer and snot
I gave him 30 candy bars
told him to go back to mars
-Gals Panic
You forgot some of the other major things that bussiness people do with work stations.
suck resources with anti virus software
hard reboot after lockups
get active x exploits
spreed worms with outlook
spreed worms with iis
play games in spreedsheet applications
etc...
all of witch linux is not good for
When I was a kid we called these things Constructicons and when the merged together they were then called Devistator.
this already exists and has for a long time.
its called rm you can use it on your entire hard drive with the command
rm -rf /