Were did you get a gnome-libs 1.0.2 SRPM. I wan't one, as the spec included with the tarballs won't build (just ends up telling me what gnome requires).
If you just wan't simple, why don't you go with the defualt theme. It is a simple windows like theme. Very clear. Question:have you used E, like recently? I might have thought this about E, but after using it I changed my mind. Its not all about gothic junk on thw windows boarder. Hell, Kwm has themes, I don't see that being used against it.
As far as intuitive, almost every linux "user interface", from gnome's to afterstep can be used without a manual. They all behave mostly like windows. The big exeption would be WindowMaker.
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Il admit, I don't, but there are reasons he said what he said. Mainly, the flexibility in language thing, hes damn right. I know Qt has a few language bindings, but that is nothing compared to gtk. That seems to be proof enough that gtk is more flexible with languages.
How? I can tell you that after messing with it for a little while, I found it un-intuitive, and not worth the trouble of learning. I still have it, but learning how to use a windowing envirement all over again seems like a waste of time, certainly more than using a few window boarders.
E seems as functional as most other WM's. I was suprised as the next guy after getting an E rpm, and finding out it is easy to install, configure, and not as machine hungry as I hear a lot.
Could installing themes reasonably be any easier? Put the theme in your ~/.enlightenment/themes directory, run e-conf, pick the theme you just downloaded and caboom.
Gnome crashes, I never got them. But then again, I hear sometimes that this actually does happen to people.
Its easy to come up with the arguments against word for normal people. Didn't you just spend a paragraph arguing one. The fact is, when most people get computers, they come with MS Works, which is good enough for most people. If Works is good enough, the office suites for Linux sure as hell are (the cost about the same too).
About the emacs thing, I didn't know the the guy you replyed to mentioned emacs, at least in that message.... wait, this whole post was a joke, wasn't it..il stop here.
I tell you that most normal PEOPLE can't tell the difference between Office and Corel/Lotus whatever. They will never use most of the advanced features. How many people will benifit from using Office over the "Corel/Lotus/Applix/Star whatever" office suite. Responding with "me" means nothing, as most people don't even come to this site.
Run gnome-session, "killall enlightenment"(sp?) in a term, and then run whatever WM you want from that terminal you killed enlightenment in. Restart X, the wm should work fine.
Agree about gmc, it was just included with the 1.0 release, it is kinda buggy.
Do you remember IE 3.0. It was great. It had stylesheets, which alone made it better than the Netscape at that time. Yea, we got marquee tags, and the , but all in all, pages looked great with IE. Pages also loaded up faster than Netscape. Yea, it had the marquee, active X, and vb-script, but who uses that junk?
However, the intergrated 4.0 could make my hole OS crash (busting my net connection).
Tough. Worked fine for me though, and probobly most other people. I find the crashing thing hard to believe. You mean the hole thing, and brought down X with it? Or was it something like gmc.
what about qt and mico. by the way, gnome really only needs the gnome-libs, orbit, gtk/glib, imlib, esd (maybe one more). The rest is optional for running gnome apps.
Im not saying this is impossible, though I am almost 100% sure you are lying, or not telling something odd about your system. Something believable like the session manager messed up, but it just crashed, come on. Maybe if you weren't an AC . . .
Really, what is so bad about them (linux interfaces, mainly gnome and kde). There are standards for drag and drop, and other crap. The apps I use most support them, even though I don't much care for it. I drag files around the system. What else do I really need d&d for. Even if you do need more, most people don't.
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I think you can get the CVS version under the QPL 1.0. Qt is now free, all we have to worry about now is GPL/QPL mixing.
Were did you get a gnome-libs 1.0.2 SRPM. I wan't one, as the spec included with the tarballs won't build (just ends up telling me what gnome requires).
If you just wan't simple, why don't you go with the defualt theme. It is a simple windows like theme. Very clear. Question:have you used E, like recently? I might have thought this about E, but after using it I changed my mind. Its not all about gothic junk on thw windows boarder. Hell, Kwm has themes, I don't see that being used against it.
As far as intuitive, almost every linux "user interface", from gnome's to afterstep can be used without a manual. They all behave mostly like windows. The big exeption would be WindowMaker.
Il admit, I don't, but there are reasons he said what he said. Mainly, the flexibility in language thing, hes damn right. I know Qt has a few language bindings, but that is nothing compared to gtk. That seems to be proof enough that gtk is more flexible with languages.
How? I can tell you that after messing with it for a little while, I found it un-intuitive, and not worth the trouble of learning. I still have it, but learning how to use a windowing envirement all over again seems like a waste of time, certainly more than using a few window boarders.
E seems as functional as most other WM's. I was suprised as the next guy after getting an E rpm, and finding out it is easy to install, configure, and not as machine hungry as I hear a lot.
Could installing themes reasonably be any easier? Put the theme in your ~/.enlightenment/themes directory, run e-conf, pick the theme you just downloaded and caboom.
Gnome crashes, I never got them. But then again, I hear sometimes that this actually does happen to people.
Its easy to come up with the arguments against word for normal people. Didn't you just spend a paragraph arguing one. The fact is, when most people get computers, they come with MS Works, which is good enough for most people. If Works is good enough, the office suites for Linux sure as hell are (the cost about the same too).
... wait, this whole post was a joke, wasn't it..il stop here.
About the emacs thing, I didn't know the the guy you replyed to mentioned emacs, at least in that message.
I tell you that most normal PEOPLE can't tell the difference between Office and Corel/Lotus whatever. They will never use most of the advanced features. How many people will benifit from using Office over the "Corel/Lotus/Applix/Star whatever" office suite. Responding with "me" means nothing, as most people don't even come to this site.
If it makes a difference If I use just "startkde" or "exec startkde".
Put this in your /etc/rpmrc
optflags: i386 -O6 -fno-gcse -march=pentiumpro
The port is no longer updated. It is not the modern gecko, NSLAyout whatever browser.
Try it out yourself
Its free (an overnight download), and you can keep KDE and use gnome at the same time.
Its free (an overnight download), and you can keep KDE and use gnome at the same time.
Run gnome-session, "killall enlightenment"(sp?) in a term, and then run whatever WM you want from that terminal you killed enlightenment in. Restart X, the wm should work fine.
Agree about gmc, it was just included with the 1.0 release, it is kinda buggy.
Do you remember IE 3.0. It was great. It had stylesheets, which alone made it better than the Netscape at that time. Yea, we got marquee tags, and the , but all in all, pages looked great with IE. Pages also loaded up faster than Netscape. Yea, it had the marquee, active X, and vb-script, but who uses that junk?
However, the intergrated 4.0 could make my hole OS crash (busting my net connection).
Tough.
Worked fine for me though, and probobly most other people. I find the crashing thing hard to believe. You mean the hole thing, and brought down X with it? Or was it something like gmc.
what about qt and mico.
by the way, gnome really only needs the gnome-libs, orbit, gtk/glib, imlib, esd (maybe one more). The rest is optional for running gnome apps.
Plain and simple. People can look over open source, but money, no way. The 30 trial better have some student exemption or or some bs I can claim.
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Why are you so rude? He didn't say anything bad about QT or TT.
Yes, what big ole bugs in gnome are you talking about.
Im not saying this is impossible, though I am almost 100% sure you are lying, or not telling something odd about your system. Something believable like the session manager messed up, but it just crashed, come on. Maybe if you weren't an AC . . .
I tried that GMC "boom" thing, it didn't do anything weird. Is this bug just for debian.
Somebody did make a patch available on the main gnome mailing list, though it might never be intergrated.
So what should be done about it to improve them?
Really, what is so bad about them (linux interfaces, mainly gnome and kde). There are standards for drag and drop, and other crap. The apps I use most support them, even though I don't much care for it. I drag files around the system. What else do I really need d&d for. Even if you do need more, most people don't.