John Doe: We see a deadly sin on every street corner, in every home,
and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it's common, it's
trival. We tolerate it morning, noon, and night. Well, not anymore.
I'm setting the example. And what I've done is going to be puzzled
over, and studied, and followed... forever.
I understand your point and all, but that was a terrible example. I'll take it you don't watch baseball much. In your above example, the series is over after game 6, and Team A wins 4 games to 2. (and also 4 runs to 2)
I think you meant to have that blowout game be the first one, not the last.
There are reputable online sportsbooks and horse betting places. Some of which are reputable because the owner has earned trust, and some because they are regulated by the Australian and British governments.
As for casinos as in cards and slots, yeah, you'd have to be an idiot to try that online.
wow, I'm american and thats the dumbest post I've read on Slashdot in a long time. Go tour Germany if you want to see what real widespread destruction is.
You know, I don't recall anyone ragging on CNN for being liberal until Fox News came around. I have always percieved them as fairly centrist.
Once Fox News started pouring its right-wing message onto cable, I think that the people who enjoy it just need something to opppose, so they picked CNN.
Now if you want to say that CNN is MORE liberal than the Fox News go ahead. But this CNN = liberal crap never made any sense to me. If you want liberal, read Salon.com
The best part is how MSNBC has noticed the Left/Right public perception of its rivals and labeled themselves "The INDEPENDANT choice". Heh.
Query: Ontario, Canada is swamped with Wal-Mart stores, but local laws prohibit (or so it appears) Wal-Mart from selling them. Knowing this, would you shop at a Wal-Mart there?
No, I wouldn't, knowing that they sell them elsewhere and in massive quantity all over the continent. And all the profit goes to the same place.
Take for example Kraft macaroni and cheese. While I love the products of the Kraft division of Phillip Morris (yummy mac+cheese) I don't like the idea that my money funds the same people who pushed tobacco lies on an unsuspecting public for years.
I'm not going to lie and say i've never shopped at Wal-Mart or for Kraft Mac and Cheese (or even shopped for Kraft Mac and Cheese AT Wal-Mart) but when I have another choice readily at hand, I try and use it.
I understand that people in small towns sometimes dont have another choice besides Wal-mart, and in all honesty, in that situation my need for video games and food would surpass my need for a gun free america. But in my community I have plenty of other options, so I can afford to avoid Wal-Mart.
Absolutely good points. However, I just don't like guns in any fashion, much like the people who don't like tits in a video game just don't like them.
We both know hunting rifles cause human death about as much as a pornographic playstation game will causse someone to be a sex offender.
I *just* dont want guns at my store, and the prude hunters dont want porno at theirs.
Please don't mistake me for taking the typical high horse here in saying that everyone else is wrong. I understand that I am being as pigheaded about guns as those who scream about Eminem CD's. That is just how i choose to vote with my wallet.
Money has the power to change business dynamics, and after Nintendo saw the resulting loss of sales from the censored Mortal Kombat, they didn't censor any game after that.
Exactly, and if the the the trend (polygon boobies) doesn't sell well outside of Wal-mart, then it was never meant to be in the first place.
However, seing the positive reaction from gamers wallets involving blood, I think tits will do just fine.
If stores didnt carry Grand Theft Auto 3, they would be losing out on a good chunk of change. Sears didn't sell Max Payne, GTA3, but they would sell Medal of Honor. why? because it offered realistic views of death. a death is a death no matter how you cut it.. eesh.
Exactly, thats what I mean. And sears lost a little video game revenue by doing so. Whether it was made up by new shoppers proud of Sears' moral stance i'm not sure, but either way, its their decision.
Not worth bitching over unless you hold Sears stock.
exactly.. I would bet that the issue is entirely capitalism and money.
In fact, i wouldnt be surprised if they had done market research that said they make MORE money by NOT selling the game, because Joe Churchgoer is so impressed with their moral stance that he buys all his groceries and toys there from now on.
Sounds like a good business plan for me, especially considering most of the people (like me) that get mad about censorship will just buy the game online or at K-mart and then continue to buy our lawn furniture at Wal-Mart because its convienent, thus giving them business anyhow.
People will do as they want. If stores didnt carry Grand Theft Auto 3, they would be losing out on a good chunk of change.
If this game gets that popular, then either they will sell it or miss out on the profit.
I really dont have a problem with things like this unless it is the government (federal, state, or local) saying that something can't be sold in town, state, or country. If Wal-Mart et al want to not sell it, frankly, its their business.
Of course it is good that the public stays informed... Wal-mart doesnt get my money when I need paper towels any more if they choose to censor this.
But that their choice, and I imagine plenty of other people who like dirty games will continue to buy their paper towels at Wal-Mart.
375,000 * 6 (completely guesstimated average time subcribed) * $10 (using the lower figure from back in the day) $22.5 MILLION Dollars. Thats big money from a video game standpoint.
Before I became unaddicted I threw about $150 bucks into their coffers. I don't feel ripped off though.. I didn't buy 6 other video games that year like I normally would have, because I didnt need them. There's my 150 right back. Now I didn't go to class either... or shower... So i suppose they ripped off a year of my life... heh.
Note that I'm not saying FFXI will not get to this level. I'm sure they'll top a million subscribers or something crazy compared to EQ. Its just that Eq's success is nothing to scoff at.
In my opinion lego structures are really cool when they stay within the realm of the system. I think every non-Lego piece, substance, or tool you use detracts from the "coolness" value of the overall structure.
For example, first he starts with glue.. thats somewhat understandable, given the size of these projects. Next its unrolling cloth capes to use as dampers. Brass wires? Well, i suppose those were necessary.
Next he crosses the line... using a surgical scalpal to cut and shave down LEGO pieces? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?? I mean, at that point I might as well melt down 100,000 of my own legos, pour them into a harpsichord shaped mold, and say I built an instrument out of legos too! I mean, technically it would be correct.
Perhaps thats an exageration, but I just don't enjoy these models as much when there is so much, well, cheating going on behind the scenes. I suppose those are tradeoffs you have to make to actually make something that isn't just a statue.
Yes. I'm a recovered RPG geek. Never really played, just collected rulebooks and analyzed systems. Honest. Except for Car Wars
I did that too!! I think Nintendo warped my imagination far too much to enjoy a roleplaying session. I was always the kid who started doing stupid shit with my character and started up games of cards with the other players while the GM was tending to one of them one-on-one.
But I had a huge colletion of rulebooks and I loved the different systems!
Ok, I understand that a good chunk of the slashdot posters only want to play games once and a while, this post is not for you.
I know there are some of you out there that are self proclaimed "gamers", yet have an extreme aversion to consoles. I am a gamer who really likes both PC and console games almost equally, each having its strenghs and weaknesses, of course.
I don't buy Doom and Quake or other FPS's for my consoles any more than I would buy Frogger 2 for the PC when I could play a good Mario platformer on my gamecube.
Why the aversion to consoles on slashdot?
1. Is it a money issue?
2. Does it have to do with the companies selling the consoles?
3. Do you only prefer the genres PC's excel at (FPS, RTS, basically any game that needs a mouse rather than a controller)
4. Some other reason, and I'm just not thinking of it right now? Multiplayer on a scale larger than 4 maybe?
Please respond if you have any insight, this has nagged at me for awhile.
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I am tax dollars at work?
John Doe: We see a deadly sin on every street corner, in every home,
and we tolerate it. We tolerate it because it's common, it's
trival. We tolerate it morning, noon, and night. Well, not anymore.
I'm setting the example. And what I've done is going to be puzzled
over, and studied, and followed... forever.
I can't believe you are flying the fucking confederate flag, you ball-licking moron.
I literally cannot think of a time a commercial made me buy something
Food commercials do wonders to me. When they advertise a 99 cent bacon cheeseburger, I want it, much as I'd not like to.
Other than that, I'd like to think i'm pretty oblivious to the whole thing.
I understand your point and all, but that was a terrible example. I'll take it you don't watch baseball much. In your above example, the series is over after game 6, and Team A wins 4 games to 2. (and also 4 runs to 2)
I think you meant to have that blowout game be the first one, not the last.
There are reputable online sportsbooks and horse betting places. Some of which are reputable because the owner has earned trust, and some because they are regulated by the Australian and British governments.
As for casinos as in cards and slots, yeah, you'd have to be an idiot to try that online.
wow, I'm american and thats the dumbest post I've read on Slashdot in a long time. Go tour Germany if you want to see what real widespread destruction is.
You know, I don't recall anyone ragging on CNN for being liberal until Fox News came around. I have always percieved them as fairly centrist.
Once Fox News started pouring its right-wing message onto cable, I think that the people who enjoy it just need something to opppose, so they picked CNN.
Now if you want to say that CNN is MORE liberal than the Fox News go ahead. But this CNN = liberal crap never made any sense to me. If you want liberal, read Salon.com
The best part is how MSNBC has noticed the Left/Right public perception of its rivals and labeled themselves "The INDEPENDANT choice". Heh.
I'll take $50,000 on Giants at 4-1, and another $50,000 on the Angels at 2-1.
In Russia they tell jokes about the insane bureaucracy in America.
In America we tell jokes about the insane alcoholism in Russia.
Query: Ontario, Canada is swamped with Wal-Mart stores, but local laws prohibit (or so it appears) Wal-Mart from selling them. Knowing this, would you shop at a Wal-Mart there?
No, I wouldn't, knowing that they sell them elsewhere and in massive quantity all over the continent. And all the profit goes to the same place.
Take for example Kraft macaroni and cheese. While I love the products of the Kraft division of Phillip Morris (yummy mac+cheese) I don't like the idea that my money funds the same people who pushed tobacco lies on an unsuspecting public for years.
I'm not going to lie and say i've never shopped at Wal-Mart or for Kraft Mac and Cheese (or even shopped for Kraft Mac and Cheese AT Wal-Mart) but when I have another choice readily at hand, I try and use it.
I understand that people in small towns sometimes dont have another choice besides Wal-mart, and in all honesty, in that situation my need for video games and food would surpass my need for a gun free america. But in my community I have plenty of other options, so I can afford to avoid Wal-Mart.
Absolutely good points. However, I just don't like guns in any fashion, much like the people who don't like tits in a video game just don't like them.
We both know hunting rifles cause human death about as much as a pornographic playstation game will causse someone to be a sex offender.
I *just* dont want guns at my store, and the prude hunters dont want porno at theirs.
Please don't mistake me for taking the typical high horse here in saying that everyone else is wrong. I understand that I am being as pigheaded about guns as those who scream about Eminem CD's. That is just how i choose to vote with my wallet.
Money has the power to change business dynamics, and after Nintendo saw the resulting loss of sales from the censored Mortal Kombat, they didn't censor any game after that.
Exactly, and if the the the trend (polygon boobies) doesn't sell well outside of Wal-mart, then it was never meant to be in the first place.
However, seing the positive reaction from gamers wallets involving blood, I think tits will do just fine.
3 cheers for Economics.
I agree with this. However in this individual case, like you said, it doesn't really apply.
There is no mandate saying only Wal-mart can sell video games, even if it does happen to be the only retailer in Dinkytown, AL.
I suppose I phrased myself wrong. I'm not boycotting Wal-mart exclusively because of this, which admittedly, i'm not interested in.
Its their larger idea that censorship + guns = family values that ticks me off enough to take my business elsewhere.
If stores didnt carry Grand Theft Auto 3, they would be losing out on a good chunk of change. Sears didn't sell Max Payne, GTA3, but they would sell Medal of Honor. why? because it offered realistic views of death. a death is a death no matter how you cut it.. eesh.
Exactly, thats what I mean. And sears lost a little video game revenue by doing so. Whether it was made up by new shoppers proud of Sears' moral stance i'm not sure, but either way, its their decision.
Not worth bitching over unless you hold Sears stock.
exactly.. I would bet that the issue is entirely capitalism and money.
In fact, i wouldnt be surprised if they had done market research that said they make MORE money by NOT selling the game, because Joe Churchgoer is so impressed with their moral stance that he buys all his groceries and toys there from now on.
Sounds like a good business plan for me, especially considering most of the people (like me) that get mad about censorship will just buy the game online or at K-mart and then continue to buy our lawn furniture at Wal-Mart because its convienent, thus giving them business anyhow.
People will do as they want. If stores didnt carry Grand Theft Auto 3, they would be losing out on a good chunk of change.
If this game gets that popular, then either they will sell it or miss out on the profit.
I really dont have a problem with things like this unless it is the government (federal, state, or local) saying that something can't be sold in town, state, or country. If Wal-Mart et al want to not sell it, frankly, its their business.
Of course it is good that the public stays informed... Wal-mart doesnt get my money when I need paper towels any more if they choose to censor this.
But that their choice, and I imagine plenty of other people who like dirty games will continue to buy their paper towels at Wal-Mart.
375,000 * 6 (completely guesstimated average time subcribed) * $10 (using the lower figure from back in the day) $22.5 MILLION Dollars. Thats big money from a video game standpoint.
Before I became unaddicted I threw about $150 bucks into their coffers. I don't feel ripped off though.. I didn't buy 6 other video games that year like I normally would have, because I didnt need them. There's my 150 right back.
Now I didn't go to class either... or shower... So i suppose they ripped off a year of my life... heh.
Note that I'm not saying FFXI will not get to this level. I'm sure they'll top a million subscribers or something crazy compared to EQ. Its just that Eq's success is nothing to scoff at.
In my opinion lego structures are really cool when they stay within the realm of the system. I think every non-Lego piece, substance, or tool you use detracts from the "coolness" value of the overall structure.
For example, first he starts with glue.. thats somewhat understandable, given the size of these projects. Next its unrolling cloth capes to use as dampers. Brass wires? Well, i suppose those were necessary.
Next he crosses the line... using a surgical scalpal to cut and shave down LEGO pieces? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?? I mean, at that point I might as well melt down 100,000 of my own legos, pour them into a harpsichord shaped mold, and say I built an instrument out of legos too! I mean, technically it would be correct.
Perhaps thats an exageration, but I just don't enjoy these models as much when there is so much, well, cheating going on behind the scenes. I suppose those are tradeoffs you have to make to actually make something that isn't just a statue.
Bill O'Rielly loves you guys.. has something to say about Berekely about once a week.
Yes. I'm a recovered RPG geek. Never really played, just collected rulebooks and analyzed systems. Honest. Except for Car Wars
I did that too!! I think Nintendo warped my imagination far too much to enjoy a roleplaying session. I was always the kid who started doing stupid shit with my character and started up games of cards with the other players while the GM was tending to one of them one-on-one.
But I had a huge colletion of rulebooks and I loved the different systems!
Ok, I understand that a good chunk of the slashdot posters only want to play games once and a while, this post is not for you.
I know there are some of you out there that are self proclaimed "gamers", yet have an extreme aversion to consoles. I am a gamer who really likes both PC and console games almost equally, each having its strenghs and weaknesses, of course.
I don't buy Doom and Quake or other FPS's for my consoles any more than I would buy Frogger 2 for the PC when I could play a good Mario platformer on my gamecube.
Why the aversion to consoles on slashdot?
1. Is it a money issue?
2. Does it have to do with the companies selling the consoles?
3. Do you only prefer the genres PC's excel at (FPS, RTS, basically any game that needs a mouse rather than a controller)
4. Some other reason, and I'm just not thinking of it right now? Multiplayer on a scale larger than 4 maybe?
Please respond if you have any insight, this has nagged at me for awhile.
you really don't spend that much time around non-geeks, do you?
well, if he is handing exemptions to baseball, then I think volleyball qualifies.