Did you have to use XPostFacto to install it? Even though newer versions of OS X work fine on older models (provided lots of RAM), Apple have done much to make installation of it difficult. At the same time, they provide little in backwards compatibility, making it impossible to run new programs on old versions of OS X. So if you want to use even simple utilities developed on Tiger, you have to use Tiger. Not Panther or Jaguar (not that anyone actually would want to use an OS X prior to Panther; they are slow and have comparatively poor usability).
Basically, what I'm saying is that GP is a big fat liar, and that an old Mac is no more useful than a PC of the same age. I recently installed Windows XP on my mother's Pentium III 733 and Debian Sid on a Pentium III 500. Those CPUs were introduced in 1999, and are far more powerful, and more useful today, than the G3s Apple sold at the time. The biggest bonus for them is that they don't need to run Vista. It's not like they would be able to run DX10 games anyway, and what else is there that demands an upgrade?
Have you actually tried them all? The last time I tested NetBSD, it seemed to suffer from the "almost nothing works in the default install" syndrome, and this was for the somewhat popular Mac PPC platform. Drivers for widespread things like the rather old sound card were marked "experimental" and needed a kernel recompile, the pre-compiled package collection hardly existed for other platforms than i386, driver support was very poor. Then to get some drivers you'd have to get the development version from CVS, which doesn't even compile.
Don't get me wrong, I suppose it's a fine basic unix for many platforms (and perhaps even a good one for i386), but it doesn't do nearly as many things nearly as well as for instance Linux or FreeBSD. Really good it isn't. Especially its support for numerous architectures is greatly overrated: it could be said it barely works on more platforms than any other OS. I'll give it one thing, though: it's a clean and tidy system.
I've used Sid for years with fewer problems than I had the times I tried Ubuntu. If only Ubuntu tested their packages a bit before "stabilising" them, then perhaps it would end up having nearly as high quality as Debian. As it is, Ubuntu seems to me as a quite half-assed effort at bringing Debian to the masses.
And mathematics is various ludicrously complex and circumlocutory ways of stating that 1 equals 1. Which is why I always end an argument where I find my opponent to be right with saying "I told you so".
If it has a "theoretical rate of 300 Mbit/s... compared with todays 802.11g access points", what theoretical rate does it have compared with yesterdays 802.11b access points?
Yes. The big question is: is this crippled to prevent 3d party apps like the iPhone? If not, I want one. Imagine using ScummVM playing a pirated copy of Monkey Island on one of those things while being out in your pirate boat? Yarrr, raise the Jolly Roger.
I was planning to purchase a Radeon X1950 Pro (since I still have AGP and can't afford/don't need an upgrade). Now it doesn't look like such a stupid idea after all. Excellent news!
No, that's not weird, that's cool. Knowledge about minor (and unimportant) celebrities isn't needed for anything except gossiping with people who don't have any useful knowledge. Not knowing Simon Cowell means Rubin meets more interesting people, and that he doesn't surf the internet aimlessly or read crap newspapers.
You'll have to wait for the Krazed Ketamine release to find an FSF approved version of Ubuntu. The drugs and OS community relationships go like this:
* OpenBSD : meth * Slackware : heroin * OS X : poppers * FreeBSD : coffee and cigarettes * Windows : cancer * NetBSD : water * BeOS : ether * Emacs : ketamine * Gentoo : laxatives * Debian : will give you access to all known drugs, but they're either too old or experimental
There's the difference that games aren't taken seriously. Before movies were taken seriously as an art form (that is, when they were entertainment for the working classes and "children"), they didn't enjoy the same freedom of speech as other forms of expression. Consider for instance the introduction of the Hays Code. Games are in pretty much the same position now, and interestingly it's games that have a significant portion of social satire that are attacked hardest of all (but not exclusively).
Most people I knew didn't even know how to drive the car at any significant speed (or steering it). I was pretty good at driving myself, but never understood the point of the game.
No, when talking about RAM, where a MB is 1024 KB where a KB is 1024 bytes, you're talking about stuff connected to a memory controller that addresses this in a certain number of two, so that a 32 bit controller can address 4,294,967,296 bytes or 4 GiB. A disk controller works in a different way, and a disk is addressed in a different way. The only reason for demanding the same kind of numbering from a disk is when you need to know how much RAM a file will consume when you load it. Which is why a file's size may be denoted in KiB.
It really isn't confusing at all. I suspect the outrage at hard drive capacities is really caused by the high frequency of autism in the geek community.
It really is to be expected, though, that support for Windows 9x should go away. It's a different kernel, and doesn't even support more than 512 MB RAM. No one in their right mind would want to run it on a modern computer. I'd actually say that compatibility is better than expected on Windows (and far better than on OS X, which was my main gripe with the latter). The actual reason for people putting up with new and inferior versions of Windows is of course that it comes with the computer, and in many cases that people want the new shiny version despite the fact that its beauty is only as deep as its shrink-wrap packaging.
The type of sensationalism you'd expect from a lower class of blog than/.? I hate to be the one to spew clichés, but are you new here? Without sensationalism, how could the editors rile up the readership and create the discussion so needed for repeated page views and the advertising income so needed to pay for their hard, honest work?
When put as an analogy to the story, it contains more insight than the cliché 'correlation does not imply causation' that usually is one of the first things to be at +5, insightful in these kinds of discussion. It says, of course, exactly the same (through parody), but it also reminds us that correlations that seem absurd aren't necessarily that: surely the new mass availability and popularity of coffee didn't coincide with the rise of industrialism by pure chance? Then you think the rise of coffee needs to be explored in a more systemic manner, and at that point you go from a diachronic to a synchronic view of history: a paradigm shift, and thus an example of one of the great problems in the study of history (doing both at the same time seems impossible).
So as you can see, the above theory really contains all I learned at the university: That I can explain everything, if I just have a cup of coffee.
Well, yes, if you include stuff like installing the.NET framework in Windows. Although with Linux, there would be maybe half a dozen of those.NET frameworks.
You're right re: app folders, of course, but only technically. There's also the social question of how this would be supported by the community. With my Kword 2.0 beta example, it wouldn't be worth it, since none of the libraries it depends on would be supported by the distro. That's also why such programs aren't distributed as app folders in OS X, and why the people who like the unixy side of OS X ported apt-get (fink) to it: it's much more practical for modular and interdependent programs.
That said, there could probably be done several things to make third party package installation more user friendly with Linux. I imagine you could make extensions to firefox and konqueror with a kind of pseudo-protocol that would open links called for instance aptget://something in a standard program that for instance could add the necessary lines to/etc/apt/sources.list (after letting you review a list of the packages the repository provides, with warnings for potential conflicts, and then typing your sudo password) and install the application in question. Since apt supports repository priorities, I believe this could even be done relatively securely. That would probably make things as friendly as could be for the user. Browsing the file system certainly isn't.
Installing the distro's packages in Ubuntu and the like is easy enough as it is.
Application folders and "drag and drop installation" won't work on Linux, as you can't know which libraries are installed on the computer, and in which version. Say you want to install the Kword 2.0 beta. This depends on the kdelibs 4.0 (beta) and the Koffice libs. With an app folder approach, the Kword 2.0 beta would have to package those libraries as well. And so would all the other apps depending on those libraries. Or, of course, they could all be one huge package with lots of stuff you don't need.
There is another approach, of course, which is that of Apple: You know mostly which libraries are installed on the system, since they are all part of the OS, but when there is an application depending on a newer version of the libraries, you have to pay Apple for a newer version of the whole OS as well. This is easy enough if you have a monopoly on that particular platform, but then you also have a proprietary platform. Red Hat doesn't have that privilege.
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Did you have to use XPostFacto to install it? Even though newer versions of OS X work fine on older models (provided lots of RAM), Apple have done much to make installation of it difficult. At the same time, they provide little in backwards compatibility, making it impossible to run new programs on old versions of OS X. So if you want to use even simple utilities developed on Tiger, you have to use Tiger. Not Panther or Jaguar (not that anyone actually would want to use an OS X prior to Panther; they are slow and have comparatively poor usability).
Basically, what I'm saying is that GP is a big fat liar, and that an old Mac is no more useful than a PC of the same age. I recently installed Windows XP on my mother's Pentium III 733 and Debian Sid on a Pentium III 500. Those CPUs were introduced in 1999, and are far more powerful, and more useful today, than the G3s Apple sold at the time. The biggest bonus for them is that they don't need to run Vista. It's not like they would be able to run DX10 games anyway, and what else is there that demands an upgrade?
Have you actually tried them all? The last time I tested NetBSD, it seemed to suffer from the "almost nothing works in the default install" syndrome, and this was for the somewhat popular Mac PPC platform. Drivers for widespread things like the rather old sound card were marked "experimental" and needed a kernel recompile, the pre-compiled package collection hardly existed for other platforms than i386, driver support was very poor. Then to get some drivers you'd have to get the development version from CVS, which doesn't even compile.
Don't get me wrong, I suppose it's a fine basic unix for many platforms (and perhaps even a good one for i386), but it doesn't do nearly as many things nearly as well as for instance Linux or FreeBSD. Really good it isn't. Especially its support for numerous architectures is greatly overrated: it could be said it barely works on more platforms than any other OS. I'll give it one thing, though: it's a clean and tidy system.
I've used Sid for years with fewer problems than I had the times I tried Ubuntu. If only Ubuntu tested their packages a bit before "stabilising" them, then perhaps it would end up having nearly as high quality as Debian. As it is, Ubuntu seems to me as a quite half-assed effort at bringing Debian to the masses.
Or perhaps children shouldn't read Ayn Rand before they know the difference between fiction and real life.
And mathematics is various ludicrously complex and circumlocutory ways of stating that 1 equals 1. Which is why I always end an argument where I find my opponent to be right with saying "I told you so".
If it has a "theoretical rate of 300 Mbit/s ... compared with todays 802.11g access points", what theoretical rate does it have compared with yesterdays 802.11b access points?
Yes. The big question is: is this crippled to prevent 3d party apps like the iPhone? If not, I want one. Imagine using ScummVM playing a pirated copy of Monkey Island on one of those things while being out in your pirate boat? Yarrr, raise the Jolly Roger.
I was planning to purchase a Radeon X1950 Pro (since I still have AGP and can't afford/don't need an upgrade). Now it doesn't look like such a stupid idea after all. Excellent news!
It really isn't flamebait if no one is inclined to disagree.
Yes, the "funny" mod doesn't give karma. So if you really like a joke, mod it something else.
No, that's not weird, that's cool. Knowledge about minor (and unimportant) celebrities isn't needed for anything except gossiping with people who don't have any useful knowledge. Not knowing Simon Cowell means Rubin meets more interesting people, and that he doesn't surf the internet aimlessly or read crap newspapers.
You'll have to wait for the Krazed Ketamine release to find an FSF approved version of Ubuntu. The drugs and OS community relationships go like this:
* OpenBSD : meth
* Slackware : heroin
* OS X : poppers
* FreeBSD : coffee and cigarettes
* Windows : cancer
* NetBSD : water
* BeOS : ether
* Emacs : ketamine
* Gentoo : laxatives
* Debian : will give you access to all known drugs, but they're either too old or experimental
There's the difference that games aren't taken seriously. Before movies were taken seriously as an art form (that is, when they were entertainment for the working classes and "children"), they didn't enjoy the same freedom of speech as other forms of expression. Consider for instance the introduction of the Hays Code. Games are in pretty much the same position now, and interestingly it's games that have a significant portion of social satire that are attacked hardest of all (but not exclusively).
I fully agree with your point, though.
Most people I knew didn't even know how to drive the car at any significant speed (or steering it). I was pretty good at driving myself, but never understood the point of the game.
and make a fortune selling them as scrap paper.
No, when talking about RAM, where a MB is 1024 KB where a KB is 1024 bytes, you're talking about stuff connected to a memory controller that addresses this in a certain number of two, so that a 32 bit controller can address 4,294,967,296 bytes or 4 GiB. A disk controller works in a different way, and a disk is addressed in a different way. The only reason for demanding the same kind of numbering from a disk is when you need to know how much RAM a file will consume when you load it. Which is why a file's size may be denoted in KiB.
It really isn't confusing at all. I suspect the outrage at hard drive capacities is really caused by the high frequency of autism in the geek community.
It really is to be expected, though, that support for Windows 9x should go away. It's a different kernel, and doesn't even support more than 512 MB RAM. No one in their right mind would want to run it on a modern computer. I'd actually say that compatibility is better than expected on Windows (and far better than on OS X, which was my main gripe with the latter). The actual reason for people putting up with new and inferior versions of Windows is of course that it comes with the computer, and in many cases that people want the new shiny version despite the fact that its beauty is only as deep as its shrink-wrap packaging.
The type of sensationalism you'd expect from a lower class of blog than /.? I hate to be the one to spew clichés, but are you new here? Without sensationalism, how could the editors rile up the readership and create the discussion so needed for repeated page views and the advertising income so needed to pay for their hard, honest work?
It is insightful.
When put as an analogy to the story, it contains more insight than the cliché 'correlation does not imply causation' that usually is one of the first things to be at +5, insightful in these kinds of discussion. It says, of course, exactly the same (through parody), but it also reminds us that correlations that seem absurd aren't necessarily that: surely the new mass availability and popularity of coffee didn't coincide with the rise of industrialism by pure chance? Then you think the rise of coffee needs to be explored in a more systemic manner, and at that point you go from a diachronic to a synchronic view of history: a paradigm shift, and thus an example of one of the great problems in the study of history (doing both at the same time seems impossible).
So as you can see, the above theory really contains all I learned at the university: That I can explain everything, if I just have a cup of coffee.
Well, yes, if you include stuff like installing the .NET framework in Windows. Although with Linux, there would be maybe half a dozen of those .NET frameworks.
You're right re: app folders, of course, but only technically. There's also the social question of how this would be supported by the community. With my Kword 2.0 beta example, it wouldn't be worth it, since none of the libraries it depends on would be supported by the distro. That's also why such programs aren't distributed as app folders in OS X, and why the people who like the unixy side of OS X ported apt-get (fink) to it: it's much more practical for modular and interdependent programs.
/etc/apt/sources.list (after letting you review a list of the packages the repository provides, with warnings for potential conflicts, and then typing your sudo password) and install the application in question. Since apt supports repository priorities, I believe this could even be done relatively securely. That would probably make things as friendly as could be for the user. Browsing the file system certainly isn't.
That said, there could probably be done several things to make third party package installation more user friendly with Linux. I imagine you could make extensions to firefox and konqueror with a kind of pseudo-protocol that would open links called for instance aptget://something in a standard program that for instance could add the necessary lines to
Installing the distro's packages in Ubuntu and the like is easy enough as it is.
Application folders and "drag and drop installation" won't work on Linux, as you can't know which libraries are installed on the computer, and in which version. Say you want to install the Kword 2.0 beta. This depends on the kdelibs 4.0 (beta) and the Koffice libs. With an app folder approach, the Kword 2.0 beta would have to package those libraries as well. And so would all the other apps depending on those libraries. Or, of course, they could all be one huge package with lots of stuff you don't need.
There is another approach, of course, which is that of Apple: You know mostly which libraries are installed on the system, since they are all part of the OS, but when there is an application depending on a newer version of the libraries, you have to pay Apple for a newer version of the whole OS as well. This is easy enough if you have a monopoly on that particular platform, but then you also have a proprietary platform. Red Hat doesn't have that privilege.
What you want is obviously a Mac. Then get a Mac.
Thank you! Finally one who gets the point, crude as it may be.
Sorry, I don't know what 'contrition' means. English isn't my native language.
Also, there wasn't any argument.
My oh my someone must have a confidence problem when they come spewing out 'facts' in a thread that started with a request for jokes.