I have not seen the source but when did that stop a slashdot post (-;
NOTES FOR LINUX !!
can you say "yeah baby"
NOTES is one of the programs that large companys insist that you have on a platform before they even think about puting it as a client/end user solution
Linux now has it !!!
yeah rock on IBM
I thought tho that they where going to be java client
if the client is open source then things like Kmail/Kwhatever and Evolution can connect to the domino world
this is a good thing people !
I do however have, how shall I say, bad experance with javascript
hope it turns out ok
(BTW where is the source to the notes client as I cant see it anywhere !)
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
in the vacuum of a recently departed reality distortion field
the SUN rose and many where happy then an evil spirit banished it and the big blue
the SUN went and joined the big blue and the zeros and ones numbering scheme to use the shed's desktop
many @ the SUN wanted the nice desktop of APPLE
the GNOME wandered about and came upon some apples that had plated and where now sunflowers of their own the sunflowers helped them look @ what was great about the apple and use it
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what I am trying to say is SUN was going to buy apple a long time ago
they liked the desktop but not the price
Apple being Apple turned their noses up and walked off and tried it on with IBM
IBM deal fell through because Apple is well.. Apple
Sun now get eazel desktop for free
Gnome gets proper support and SUNs internationalization
}
}
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
my question is does andrew grove (head of intel) have an Intel watch ?
and what do you actualy do ? (apart from write a 500 word essay each week(I know thats hard but that doesnt take up a whole week))
regards
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
the W interface & RISK plus andy groves watch
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one reason
the only reason I can see for getting it done with W rather than X is fonts and widget set
it I think is slower than X but offers a more complete solution
X is fast as long as you dont use large bitmaps and widget sets which hog memory (QT and gtk are guilty when useing pixmaped themes ) I use X for Xterms and displaying a nice background and it runs @ light speed
when we actualy use an proper solution then we will see how nice fonts can be !
hell it uses a StrongARM it could if they wanted run X same as itsy they just went for a small development time with as few developers as possible this was to minamize RISK which as any project manager are BIG factors in what companys let you do
compaq have a head start By owning digital where they actualy Know what the StrongARM is capable of ! (they just dont know it yet and is towing the line with Microsoft)
recompileing the kernel under WinCE is so nightmareish that nobody does it and so compromises it ! this is how GNU/Linux can easly win
plus have you noticed Redhat are hawking tools for the StrongARM.... Hmm
andy Grove what did you learn by useing that intel watch ! (dont worry its someone elses tech which works ! )
fun and games
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
would some one who actualy gets access to the server post the how to install up on slashdot
the device is based on itsy and so already has a working port and good ARM support in 2.3 series so a good chance that USB and all will be supported now all we need are apps to go along with it simple ones like palm has and we wont have to pay M$ for yet another platform to screw up
(8
feel much better now
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
intel ported mach + linux as chip validation (some way to valdate chips (-;)
so they have to release this most of the core programs X, bash, & csh compile fine for 64bit anyway so whats the big deal ??
HP seem to have taken the IA64 emulation libs off the website or they where never there as the SGI links are broken and HP dont have them on the website anywhere
gcc is important and is SAD to see that GCC is not F95 compliant and yet SGI have one
I hope SGI kicks itels Butt when it comes to chipset SGI have great IP in the BUS area with high perf crossbar switching a standard
if they can sort out the chipset and do the right thing with the graphics they will kick apples sorry little ass when it comes to DV editing and conet creation but only if you have the raw power their (plus they said they would port maya to linux;-)
anyway I hope they sort the chipset and graphics out or they will be out of the market
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
Cygnus has been active in the embeded market for some time check out the eCOS source and try it out there is alot of docs
of course there is the API to learn although there is vendor specific stuff POSIX is the way to go test it under BSD linux and ecos and see if it works portable is always the way to go !
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I agree with him on the LSB stance I would like to see XML used alot and that wont be in LSB for a while the reason we are here today is because of diversity regards john a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
err this violates the EU laws that I thought protect
Freedom of speech
And the right to silence
Here's the argument if you had an address book (paper one) and wrote in code then you can not be made to tell anyone the code so how is this different?
You can't say access is fast because most things that get encrypted that the police want are very small
unlawfull and house of lords or any judge will tell you so there are to many precedents
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
they went to far sure open source things but hell lots of people make money from OpenGL and they might see this as SGI giveing UP
why oh WHY did they not just help mesa out ?
or donate it to Xfree (I'll tell you because SGI make money from OpenGL) I guess they figured that they had tied people in so they could give it away with a "open sourced under an extremely liberal license" and keep these people paying
SGI is a realy nice company why did they do this was helping mesa to hard or ugly ?
the only foot wrong so far !
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
intel took over the manufacture of ARM chips for DEC but then found it did not have a licence UH OH ARM rubs its hands in glee "those NICS are very fast oh and you use what and you havnt payed well what can I do for you ? " ARM made a packet and TI are affraid of INTEL in the DSP market so have shiped lots and lots of are cores several billion last time I heard (hmm how many PIII cores shiped ? )
regards
john a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
ARM arch is very nice open you can get it from lots of vendors and has the DSP market hell buy a NIC and it has an ARM in it 3COM intel DEC/Compaq and the rest all use ARM for the NICs
and dont forget netwinder or psions
nope Ill wait till apple wakes up again and uses a proc which doesnt eat betterys
regards
john a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
they make money from selling the tools now what happens if you become sidelined and the player dosnt work on 1/2 the machines that you addvertise to well you are not going to use it !
SVG rules I just hope ani is in there for latter standards
regards
john a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
good of you to set us stright BTW NT's heart is infact just one of digitals research project with cash throwen @ it
GNU hurd is nice but I certianly cant debug it (BTW I can't debug parts of linux now because its just too much ) simple intros make people hack it but yes HURD is nicer
VGA hmm depends on which bios you are programing for yes the standard is there but how much is fudged LOTS !
ah well I just wanted to say THANKS for the informitive post
regards
john a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
Slashdot Mirror
I have not seen the source but when did that stop a slashdot post (-;
NOTES FOR LINUX !!
can you say "yeah baby"
NOTES is one of the programs that large companys insist that you have on a platform before they even think about puting it as a client/end user solution
Linux now has it !!!
yeah rock on IBM
I thought tho that they where going to be java client
if the client is open source then things like Kmail/Kwhatever and Evolution can connect to the domino world
this is a good thing people !
I do however have, how shall I say, bad experance with javascript
hope it turns out ok
(BTW where is the source to the notes client as I cant see it anywhere !)
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
not so long ago
.. Apple
in the vacuum of a recently departed reality distortion field
the SUN rose and many where happy then an evil spirit banished it and the big blue
the SUN went and joined the big blue and the zeros and ones numbering scheme to use the shed's desktop
many @ the SUN wanted the nice desktop of APPLE
the GNOME wandered about and came upon some apples that had plated and where now sunflowers of their own the sunflowers helped them look @ what was great about the apple and use it
{
plain text ( straight )
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what I am trying to say is SUN was going to buy apple a long time ago
they liked the desktop but not the price
Apple being Apple turned their noses up and walked off and tried it on with IBM
IBM deal fell through because Apple is well
Sun now get eazel desktop for free
Gnome gets proper support and SUNs internationalization
}
}
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
my question is does andrew grove (head of intel) have an Intel watch ?
and what do you actualy do ?
(apart from write a 500 word essay each week(I know thats hard but that doesnt take up a whole week))
regards
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
one reason
.... Hmm
the only reason I can see for getting it done with W rather than X is fonts and widget set
it I think is slower than X but offers a more complete solution
X is fast as long as you dont use large bitmaps and widget sets which hog memory (QT and gtk are guilty when useing pixmaped themes ) I use X for Xterms and displaying a nice background and it runs @ light speed
when we actualy use an proper solution then we will see how nice fonts can be !
hell it uses a StrongARM it could if they wanted run X same as itsy
they just went for a small development time with as few developers as possible this was to minamize RISK which as any project manager are BIG factors in what companys let you do
compaq have a head start By owning digital where they actualy Know what the StrongARM is capable of !
(they just dont know it yet and is towing the line with Microsoft)
recompileing the kernel under WinCE is so nightmareish that nobody does it and so compromises it !
this is how GNU/Linux can easly win
plus have you noticed Redhat are hawking tools for the StrongARM
andy Grove what did you learn by useing that intel watch !
(dont worry its someone elses tech which works ! )
fun and games
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
SUN guys sort of scared me when they turned up !
its 2am and I am helpless
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
Dear all
would some one who actualy gets access to the server post the how to install up on slashdot
the device is based on itsy and so already has a working port and good ARM support in 2.3 series so a good chance that USB and all will be supported now all we need are apps to go along with it simple ones like palm has and we wont have to pay M$ for yet another platform to screw up
(8
feel much better now
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I see from the PR that you are useing API CPU's in API motherboards
what I think makes the differance is the network hardware
what are you going for switched..... ?
what hardware are you useing ?
(I use extreame summit48, blackdiamonds Very nice)
regards
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
intel ported mach + linux as chip validation (some way to valdate chips (-;)
so they have to release this most of the core programs X, bash, & csh compile fine for 64bit anyway so whats the big deal ??
HP seem to have taken the IA64 emulation libs off the website or they where never there as the SGI links are broken and HP dont have them on the website anywhere
gcc is important and is SAD to see that GCC is not F95 compliant and yet SGI have one
I hope SGI kicks itels Butt when it comes to chipset SGI have great IP in the BUS area with high perf crossbar switching a standard
if they can sort out the chipset and do the right thing with the graphics they will kick apples sorry little ass when it comes to DV editing and conet creation but only if you have the raw power their (plus they said they would port maya to linux
anyway I hope they sort the chipset and graphics out or they will be out of the market
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
lets face it they can shove out the specs all they like cygnus already has GCC produceing IA64 encoded instuctions
What matters is the optimization's !!
with IA64 being a VLIW machine (sorry intel "EPIC machine" ) these matter alot you can see the differance easily
HP realy are the guys to go to if you want the compiler to work
john
p.s. when are they going to release the MACH port that they did for validation of the chip
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
hey and it looks cool
and what about a clus.....
john
out
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
Cygnus has been active in the embeded market for some time check out the eCOS source and try it out there is alot of docs
of course there is the API to learn although there is vendor specific stuff POSIX is the way to go test it under BSD linux and ecos and see if it works portable is always the way to go !
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I agree with him on the LSB stance I would like to see XML used alot and that wont be in LSB for a while the reason we are here today is because of diversity regards john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
please use NDS intead of active ^%*^%&
I am talking about windows 2000 please use NDS when your M$ pleasure pain seeking manager sets you up
use NDS when setting up win2000 and use NDS with linux later
and they will never know (expect for better uptime and responce time but they never tell you thoses things anyway)
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
err this violates the EU laws that I thought protect
Freedom of speech
And the right to silence
Here's the argument if you had an address book (paper one) and wrote in code then you can not be made to tell anyone the code so how is this different?
You can't say access is fast because most things that get encrypted that the police want are very small
unlawfull and house of lords or any judge will tell you so there are to many precedents
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
well it does beats the 1W in power saveing of transmeta hell ARM works flat out @ 1W
I notice alot of the linux PDAs are arm powered
a big THANKs to ALEX for that
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
YEp the SGI panel looks good but its £1000 and I want a good card !
BUT there is nothing else out there I have been looking @ the mac product but I have seen nothing any news on what powers the G4 panel ?
Rob mail me if you have any ideas
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
they (apple) still a major shareholder in ARM
intrestingly palm said to be apples handheld OS
anyone can see it
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
they went to far sure open source things but hell lots of people make money from OpenGL and they might see this as SGI giveing UP
why oh WHY did they not just help mesa out ?
or donate it to Xfree (I'll tell you because SGI make money from OpenGL) I guess they figured that they had tied people in so they could give it away with a "open sourced under an extremely liberal license" and keep these people paying
SGI is a realy nice company why did they do this was helping mesa to hard or ugly ?
the only foot wrong so far !
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
hmm I seem to remember a company that did large scale CPU and was the basis for alot of VLIW research and theuy wrote a book about it
Anyone Know what I mean ??
BTW VLIW is not great ARM arch has prover that well designed RISC work very well what will be intresting is the power consumption and Die Size
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
most definately NOT OWNED BY INTEL
intel took over the manufacture of ARM chips for DEC but then found it did not have a licence UH OH ARM rubs its hands in glee "those NICS are very fast oh and you use what and you havnt payed well what can I do for you ? "
ARM made a packet and TI are affraid of INTEL in the DSP market so have shiped lots and lots of are cores several billion last time I heard (hmm how many PIII cores shiped ? )
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
apple invested in ARM to make the newton
plam OS say that they can port it but I doubt it
ARM arch is very nice open you can get it from lots of vendors and has the DSP market hell buy a NIC and it has an ARM in it 3COM intel DEC/Compaq and the rest all use ARM for the NICs
and dont forget netwinder or psions
nope Ill wait till apple wakes up again and uses a proc which doesnt eat betterys
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
all it is a bit of tweaking to GCC which does ARM anyway
thats whats in the gameboys ARM's threy last a long time on very little batterys alowing the screen to eat alll the batterys
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
are they worryed by a standard ?
they make money from selling the tools now what happens if you become sidelined and the player dosnt work on 1/2 the machines that you addvertise to well you are not going to use it !
SVG rules I just hope ani is in there for latter standards
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
good of you to set us stright BTW NT's heart is infact just one of digitals research project with cash throwen @ it
GNU hurd is nice but I certianly cant debug it (BTW I can't debug parts of linux now because its just too much ) simple intros make people hack it but yes HURD is nicer
VGA hmm depends on which bios you are programing for yes the standard is there but how much is fudged LOTS !
ah well I just wanted to say THANKS for the informitive post
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
it has completed the task before the time allowed in the spec so that is real time OR IS IT .....
could not resist
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)