you have a problem with mobile phones they cant store info so you must provide it to them over the ether so to speak
so here's WML + iMode
they get the text and convert that into apps
you need to do something select on the relevent *link/button* and the server then servers up another stream for you (and only you)
but wait you are just getting a serialized verion of the app and only parts of it great for text mode stuff where latancy is not a problem but whta about a game ?
you move to the left to dodge the fireball and wait and wait... while the next part is sent Not Good
so we find that you have to serialize the most important parts of the logic or all of it. Now what can be "sent over the wire" yep thats java you just download to your phone the app and frag those bad men in their flying machines ahahah
colour as well and ajustable to screen relitively easy ! security for online buying built in, manages fonts and such well and vectors for victor are now in (after a deal with shockwave)
yeah JAVA's cool yeah it rocks BUT
its slow has garbage colection problems and needs quite alot of room (try telling the folks @ windriver about how little the KVM takes up and they can have a list of application an arms length that will ALL at once fit in the space )
most mobile phones infact I am at a loss to say which ones dont use the ARM arch CPU at their core
now the ARM Instruction Set maps apprently quite well to the java bytecodes so they can do that
but what are they doing about libs will be intresting I would have said that this would be fairly easy but SUN have done some strange licanceing
but it has good things for linux if they chose to implent the Frame buffer and use the pocketlinux distro and libs
basically you have to consider what they are going to veiw it on !
its pointless haveing big borders if the screen size is small (infact the window manager has to take on a differant look altogther see alan coxs small WM project on the Ipaq)
the fonts are pointless if the pixels take up a relitively large amount of the screen (I forget the proper name for this)
the ASPECT counts iff the screen is going to be square (the brutus board from intel featureing StrongARM has surport for 1024x1024 and its seen alot in custom chipsets for POS and information displays )
all of the windowing systems make a hack to run things easy otherwise you end up doing a MultiMuckup in flash/director or your Time to market suffers because you did it right and spent LOTS of time on development
What I AM DOING is looking for a way to heathly displaying ONLINE/OFFLINE content through the same way from something like VeiwML or Mozilla rendering the KDE 1.1 HTML render is very good and should be considered but I have to say that Microwindows is edgeing it for me because of the ease of dev work and how I can get the same program to run under WinCE with a few hacks
nokia took one hard look @ the Set top box market and said thats easy we spend 3 years doing a phone dev work and this will take 1
they then looked for buyers what do they want ?
your oracle streaming server
your SGI media server
down to that little box in the hotel / liveing room
they then want to add web browseing and being able to send your home movies
now which OS can do this ?
Wind nokia's useal partner turned their nose up and said buy a stack from others you dont need an OS and then some ENGINEERS had their say I'll wager + linux has become a buzz word so managment must have taken notice
nice to see hope it gets a fair few CONTRACTS and makes nokia oodles of money
I find that mention that you would like a GUI to edit these things and people laugh and ask if you have seen ed (-; but it IS a very good way represent the data
I would like to see what this turns up as I cant find one anywhere !!
hey looking and lusting @ these machines I only have one problem the OS they use is not GPL
why dont they GPL solaris ?
because they claim of all the drivers for custom boards they want to release information that their competitors might use !
but this argument is slightly wrong
consider Nvidia's binary kernel for linux they dont want to give away information and they do it because they can I am sure that they could do the same thing for solaris
what about giveing away their own hardware specs and IP err just use the method above for their own hardware as well
the SPARC is an ISO standard and the LEON for the euro space agancy shows an implementation of this software cant be patented in the rest of the world (europe) and keep the hardware seprate by above methods
solaris has had the API's for device drivers put out people can use them and write drivers
giveing people the source allows them to tune for what the server is used for SUN USED to give the source and now does but under a bad licence
honestly what is the problem ?
SUN could be seen as a leading light in the server market
SUN is already trusted by the "IT" managers but the geeks run linux
the more guv depts use linux the better
this would mean the market for surport would go up so more business for folks
but lets hope that all the fools dont bring the website down and spam them
this looks like linux distro by stealth (-;
(the only way it gets into most companys)
I wish them well
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
the SGI sceen is the best out there this I think is due to a deal with NEC/MITISHI
the problem is the card
I got a N9 card and as far as I can see its not in XFree 4.x.x I am considering PAYing/buying lots of beer for the work to be done
nice to see it might be done soon
the surport of 3dlabs used to be realy flakey I dont know what its like now
SGI advertised SGI PANNEL WITH LINUX but I dont see ANY suport for N9 cards in 4.xx considering they bought the company you would think someone would know something !
bitter but happy
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
SOC has become a bit of hot topic in the EDA field at the moment with synthesizable cores leading the way.
System On a Chip is the way to go as you can build your chip with everything onboard
ARM got a headstart with this and are makeing good old MOT pay
the new palm is powered by Intel® XScale(TM) Microarchitecture (which is STRONG ARM-you are fooling no one intel) basicaly they took over from digital the one good thing they did in the past year !
HURD cant load on ARM arch beacuse you need to write a new linker for the mach object format
this is why old darwin cant be ported to ARM
why would anyone use throw away batteries ?
they are such a pain the only pro is outwayed by the cons !
ARM linux needs to sort out the ACPI and the font scaleing/antialiasing AND contrast ajustment (damn it what do you think that is on the Ipac )
I have high hopes for L4 because that runs on ARM/MOT/I386 I hope hurd drops mach and converts to this !!!
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
3dfx have tried to come up with a solution that meets the modern type of IP company
they have pipelined there whole solution so you can chouse to licence part, differant parts orall of their IP
opinion>>>I think that they dont have the solution because it is not tile based althoughthey have done some mergers !
see what bites them in the bottom in terms of mergers willbe fun !
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
very little info on the darwin project nor the mach project the intresting thing is that they have (intel) been useing mach as a benchmark to porting NT/digital's/MSunix OS
now Apple has got in on the act
but machs dyn liniker is not ported to ARM/SuperSH/whatever and so limits the portabililty i.e. the code is not there but could be there
LSI could ask apple to sort out there NC projects
hey that would be cool !
regards
john jones (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I thought of doing a project like this
it seems you dont get HD and how they work yeah change the eprom and yes you would get rubish out
BUT
they just take it to ONTrack and they get the data off no probs then they have to crack it or if your unlucky they already have it from the eprom write or just watching you
hey
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
yes its non x86
how many phones are there ?
and how many have ARM processors ?
now how many routers are there ?
how many PDAs are there ?
how many games consoles are there ?
please
oh and how much do you think the software that runs on all those is worth ? to the company LOTS just because you paid money for the software does not mean its worth that answer this if a company would like to be paid by consumers or a nice hunk of cash + 1c for each one shiped what would make you more money ? (you are not microsoft which is a good thing!) any bean couter will tell you take the cash plus roayltys it makes more money
please all palm software is going to break when they change to a new CPU unless they emulate it
ah well
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
"Serpent should be chosen as the Advanced Encryption Standard. It's the fastest
algorithm in hardware, and the second fastest in software on the IA-64 archi-
tecture. Above all, Serpent should be chosen because it's the most secure of the
candidates."
I belive they are right
serpent has already been implemented in hardware and your palm/phone/watch is where you want it as well as big hulking systems yes two fish is nice but then how about geting it into everything umm hardware
my hope is serpent
regards
john jones (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
yes Intel do alot of standards in the glue layer but this is mostly get a bunch of people and thrash it out
anyone who has a good idea and does not play with the group and goes for standard anyway be doomed as they make every effort to discount you I would not mind as alot of bright people work there but they can go round spreading FUD quicker than I would believe
MERCED
jeez give me a break I would like to see what Intel are paying HP
HP do the parallel optimization and pipeline design and compiler and VLIW design and Intel say hey well market it and produce it HP say ok and now Intel get all the credit ? well its egg on face because the glue between IA32 and IA64 is holding things up as well as it being a complex chip HP are nearing PA-RISC and IA64 integration because they are very umm similar
HP are more involved with Willamette simply because its the chip they are useing
dont be silly
regards
john jones
have you seen andy groves Intel watch ?
why is it there ?
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
problem 1 for Intel
x86 is a screwed up architecture and you have to have ever decreasing die sizes and people to rejig everything (memory access/SMP crossbar) to get real improvements (AMD know this and are dumping/saying it is not surported parts for their upcomeing 64bit chip )
2
the DIE SIZE is BIG putting it mildly
this means less profits something intel does not like
good old digital has a bit of problems with patents
enter Intel's lawyers (these are people who I give respect to ! )
Intel gets strongARM + a whole bunch of people who only have 3-5 years left to get shares/pension now sorry but Digital's engineers (who have been doing this for a long time) + Intel's budget and we get
(drum roll please)
Xscale
die size/performance that beats the pants off anything MOT has produced and part of the ARM arch so yes all those routers/palms/watchs (IBM linux watch)/4G phones can use it and have code that runs on it
er and you want to prat around with x86 compatible stuff which is huge die/power requirements
I don't think so
kiss it all goodbye because x86 is going bye bye dorthy
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
compiler problems but yeah SGI DRT
on
XFS Beta
·
· Score: 2
first off
SGI have DRT (Done the Right Thing) so THANK YOU SGI
XFS is compaterble with the IRIX file system but the implementation is differant in parts
I wonder how fast this is compared to others, ext2 blew alot of FS out of the water in terms of speed
anyone got benchmarks of XFS on IRIX and on Linux ?
Well done for geting the PPC port working but what about ARM/MIPS ?
I am compileing it on redhat 7 as I type so will try it out
yes you can compile linux with 2.95.2 but there where problems I would stick to EGCS at the moment and thats what SGI recomend but redhat want 2.96 to work and they are trying to get everything working for the upcoming 3.0
have fun
john jones (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
Slashdot Mirror
dont forget that HP clean room chai could get there for MS .NET
JAVA AS A ISO would rock and kill most of this wrangleing and SUN could make money from the libs to vendors
regards
john jones
nice story but please we all know that the strongARM can do this ever played on a netwinder ?
have fun look @ the scrolling interfaces on CRL webpage
regards
john jones
right then
you have a problem with mobile phones they cant store info so you must provide it to them over the ether so to speak
so here's WML + iMode
they get the text and convert that into apps
you need to do something select on the relevent *link/button* and the server then servers up another stream for you (and only you)
but wait you are just getting a serialized verion of the app and only parts of it great for text mode stuff where latancy is not a problem but whta about a game ?
you move to the left to dodge the fireball and wait and wait... while the next part is sent Not Good
so we find that you have to serialize the most important parts of the logic or all of it. Now what can be "sent over the wire" yep thats java you just download to your phone the app and frag those bad men in their flying machines ahahah
colour as well and ajustable to screen relitively easy ! security for online buying built in, manages fonts and such well and vectors for victor are now in (after a deal with shockwave)
yeah JAVA's cool yeah it rocks BUT
its slow has garbage colection problems and needs quite alot of room (try telling the folks @ windriver about how little the KVM takes up and they can have a list of application an arms length that will ALL at once fit in the space )
most mobile phones infact I am at a loss to say which ones dont use the ARM arch CPU at their core
now the ARM Instruction Set maps apprently quite well to the java bytecodes so they can do that
but what are they doing about libs will be intresting I would have said that this would be fairly easy but SUN have done some strange licanceing
but it has good things for linux if they chose to implent the Frame buffer and use the pocketlinux distro and libs
http://www.transvirtual.com/pocketlinux.htm
well I hope it all turns out intresting
more info on ARM java
have fun
regards
john jones
hi I have been considering this for a while
basically you have to consider what they are going to veiw it on !
its pointless haveing big borders if the screen size is small (infact the window manager has to take on a differant look altogther see alan coxs small WM project on the Ipaq)
the fonts are pointless if the pixels take up a relitively large amount of the screen (I forget the proper name for this)
the ASPECT counts iff the screen is going to be square (the brutus board from intel featureing StrongARM has surport for 1024x1024 and its seen alot in custom chipsets for POS and information displays )
all of the windowing systems make a hack to run things easy otherwise you end up doing a MultiMuckup in flash/director or your Time to market suffers because you did it right and spent LOTS of time on development
What I AM DOING is looking for a way to heathly displaying ONLINE/OFFLINE content through the same way from something like VeiwML or Mozilla rendering the KDE 1.1 HTML render is very good and should be considered but I have to say that Microwindows is edgeing it for me because of the ease of dev work and how I can get the same program to run under WinCE with a few hacks
*****anyway consider your display env****
regards
john jones
nokia took one hard look @ the Set top box market and said thats easy we spend 3 years doing a phone dev work and this will take 1
they then looked for buyers what do they want ?
your oracle streaming server
your SGI media server
down to that little box in the hotel / liveing room
they then want to add web browseing and being able to send your home movies
now which OS can do this ?
Wind nokia's useal partner turned their nose up and said buy a stack from others you dont need an OS and then some ENGINEERS had their say I'll wager + linux has become a buzz word so managment must have taken notice
nice to see hope it gets a fair few CONTRACTS and makes nokia oodles of money
regards
john jones
I find that mention that you would like a GUI to edit these things and people laugh and ask if you have seen ed (-; but it IS a very good way represent the data
I would like to see what this turns up as I cant find one anywhere !!
cheers
john jones
it looks to be WinCE powered !
but what CPU is it useing and can you overwrite the Boot ROM ?
oh well I surpose it'll be an ARM maybe even StrongARM2 ex Xscale (-;
who did the production work ?
anyone with the details ?
regards
john jones
hey looking and lusting @ these machines I only have one problem the OS they use is not GPL
why dont they GPL solaris ?
because they claim of all the drivers for custom boards they want to release information that their competitors might use !
but this argument is slightly wrong
consider Nvidia's binary kernel for linux they dont want to give away information and they do it because they can I am sure that they could do the same thing for solaris
what about giveing away their own hardware specs and IP err just use the method above for their own hardware as well
the SPARC is an ISO standard and the LEON for the euro space agancy shows an implementation of this software cant be patented in the rest of the world (europe) and keep the hardware seprate by above methods
solaris has had the API's for device drivers put out people can use them and write drivers
giveing people the source allows them to tune for what the server is used for SUN USED to give the source and now does but under a bad licence
honestly what is the problem ?
SUN could be seen as a leading light in the server market
SUN is already trusted by the "IT" managers but the geeks run linux
get the geeks release the source !!
regards
john jones
I think that there will be a few show stoppers before we are all happy and I wont touch the thing for production before 2.4.5
recently thre was the memcp on alpha I hope that the powerPC has it sorted
the lineo/redhat/montavista guys should base their stuff on 2.4 though or maybe 2.5/3 because of the USB code and DEVFS
hope that it all goes well
do you think that we will get a PRESENT FOR THE NEW YEAR ?
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
hey what about vorbis any players that do it in hardware ?
the rio does MS$ sound as well
any other players for other codecs ?
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
for getting run over by tanks
;-)
setting on fire
the husky wins
(the computer make not the dog
may you have to losen your belt today
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
This can only be a Good Thing tm
the more guv depts use linux the better
this would mean the market for surport would go up so more business for folks
but lets hope that all the fools dont bring the website down and spam them
this looks like linux distro by stealth (-;
(the only way it gets into most companys)
I wish them well
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
yes the Gigapixel IP is nice but what about the SEC ?
tile based is nice but I think that VideoLogic will be the best tile based tech in town for a while yet !
oh and in terms of IP 3Dlabs dont do badly !
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
the SGI sceen is the best out there this I think is due to a deal with NEC/MITISHI
the problem is the card
I got a N9 card and as far as I can see its not in XFree 4.x.x I am considering PAYing/buying lots of beer for the work to be done
nice to see it might be done soon
the surport of 3dlabs used to be realy flakey I dont know what its like now
SGI advertised SGI PANNEL WITH LINUX but I dont see ANY suport for N9 cards in 4.xx considering they bought the company you would think someone would know something !
bitter but happy
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
ok
SOC has become a bit of hot topic in the EDA field at the moment with synthesizable cores leading the way.
System On a Chip is the way to go as you can build your chip with everything onboard
ARM got a headstart with this and are makeing good old MOT pay
the new palm is powered by Intel® XScale(TM) Microarchitecture (which is STRONG ARM-you are fooling no one intel) basicaly they took over from digital the one good thing they did in the past year !
HURD cant load on ARM arch beacuse you need to write a new linker for the mach object format
this is why old darwin cant be ported to ARM
why would anyone use throw away batteries ?
they are such a pain the only pro is outwayed by the cons !
ARM linux needs to sort out the ACPI and the font scaleing/antialiasing AND contrast ajustment (damn it what do you think that is on the Ipac )
I have high hopes for L4 because that runs on ARM/MOT/I386 I hope hurd drops mach and converts to this !!!
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
3dfx have tried to come up with a solution that meets the modern type of IP company they have pipelined there whole solution so you can chouse to licence part, differant parts orall of their IP opinion>>>I think that they dont have the solution because it is not tile based althoughthey have done some mergers ! see what bites them in the bottom in terms of mergers willbe fun ! regards john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
very little info on the darwin project nor the mach project the intresting thing is that they have (intel) been useing mach as a benchmark to porting NT/digital's/MSunix OS
now Apple has got in on the act
but machs dyn liniker is not ported to ARM/SuperSH/whatever and so limits the portabililty i.e. the code is not there but could be there
LSI could ask apple to sort out there NC projects
hey that would be cool !
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I thought of doing a project like this it seems you dont get HD and how they work yeah change the eprom and yes you would get rubish out BUT they just take it to ONTrack and they get the data off no probs then they have to crack it or if your unlucky they already have it from the eprom write or just watching you hey john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
oh get a grip
yes its non x86
how many phones are there ?
and how many have ARM processors ?
now how many routers are there ?
how many PDAs are there ?
how many games consoles are there ?
please
oh and how much do you think the software that runs on all those is worth ? to the company LOTS just because you paid money for the software does not mean its worth that answer this if a company would like to be paid by consumers or a nice hunk of cash + 1c for each one shiped what would make you more money ? (you are not microsoft which is a good thing!) any bean couter will tell you take the cash plus roayltys it makes more money
please all palm software is going to break when they change to a new CPU unless they emulate it
ah well
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
"Serpent should be chosen as the Advanced Encryption Standard. It's the fastest
algorithm in hardware, and the second fastest in software on the IA-64 archi-
tecture. Above all, Serpent should be chosen because it's the most secure of the
candidates."
I belive they are right
serpent has already been implemented in hardware and your palm/phone/watch is where you want it as well as big hulking systems yes two fish is nice but then how about geting it into everything umm hardware
my hope is serpent
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
yes Intel do alot of standards in the glue layer but this is mostly get a bunch of people and thrash it out
anyone who has a good idea and does not play with the group and goes for standard anyway be doomed as they make every effort to discount you I would not mind as alot of bright people work there but they can go round spreading FUD quicker than I would believe
MERCED
jeez give me a break I would like to see what Intel are paying HP
HP do the parallel optimization and pipeline design and compiler and VLIW design and Intel say hey well market it and produce it HP say ok and now Intel get all the credit ? well its egg on face because the glue between IA32 and IA64 is holding things up as well as it being a complex chip HP are nearing PA-RISC and IA64 integration because they are very umm similar
HP are more involved with Willamette simply because its the chip they are useing
dont be silly
regards
john jones
have you seen andy groves Intel watch ?
why is it there ?
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
problem 1 for Intel
x86 is a screwed up architecture and you have to have ever decreasing die sizes and people to rejig everything (memory access/SMP crossbar) to get real improvements (AMD know this and are dumping/saying it is not surported parts for their upcomeing 64bit chip )
2
the DIE SIZE is BIG putting it mildly
this means less profits something intel does not like
good old digital has a bit of problems with patents
enter Intel's lawyers (these are people who I give respect to ! )
Intel gets strongARM + a whole bunch of people who only have 3-5 years left to get shares/pension now sorry but Digital's engineers (who have been doing this for a long time) + Intel's budget and we get
(drum roll please)
Xscale
die size/performance that beats the pants off anything MOT has produced and part of the ARM arch so yes all those routers/palms/watchs (IBM linux watch)/4G phones can use it and have code that runs on it
er and you want to prat around with x86 compatible stuff which is huge die/power requirements
I don't think so
kiss it all goodbye because x86 is going bye bye dorthy
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
first off
SGI have DRT (Done the Right Thing) so THANK YOU SGI
XFS is compaterble with the IRIX file system but the implementation is differant in parts
I wonder how fast this is compared to others, ext2 blew alot of FS out of the water in terms of speed
anyone got benchmarks of XFS on IRIX and on Linux ?
Well done for geting the PPC port working but what about ARM/MIPS ?
I am compileing it on redhat 7 as I type so will try it out
yes you can compile linux with 2.95.2 but there where problems I would stick to EGCS at the moment and thats what SGI recomend but redhat want 2.96 to work and they are trying to get everything working for the upcoming 3.0
have fun
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
cambridge (UK) firm do this with polymers(plastic)
light emmiting polymers (LEP)
old hat they are building so that they can deliver a process to partners NOW
they aim @ doing TV + Mob phone screens full colour and HD with low power
regards
john jones
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
hey this rocks good open DRI drivers
I have been debateing about geting nvidia card but they dont seem to support DRI all that well
mesa support for 3dfx has always been good go to a BOF and find out !
if 3dfx sort it out their DRI drivers could be the best their are ! and then truly you could kick winnt @ openGL
the bench marks for the last lot of voodoos linux against win where nearly matched
regards
john
(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)