See, its called irony. When you stoop to simple insults one would say your reaction is stunning if it wasn't so predictable, which considering the particular insult, also makes your reaction hypocritical. But this may also make the person to respond to you hypocritical if it was said in an insulting way.
Yes, except the discussion WAS a systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
You work at microsoft, you have been indoctrinated with their bigoted point of view against open source. You make faulty conclusions with no opposing point of view. Thus your conversation is part of the propaganda.
Next time bring an intelligent, spirited open source advocate into the conversation. I'm sure slashdot could provide lots of volunteers. Then it may not sound like propaganda.
This page is hosted by ESRI. They write graphical information systems software (gis). I think the intent of this image is to illustrate the capability of their software, not so much to illustrate the election results. Looks like using election results was just a provocative way to get someone to look at their software. I couldn't find where this is linked from on their site. You could say linking to it here is puting it out of context. I would expect to see this image in an add for their product in one of the IT rags.
I used to vote Libertarian every election. But not this time. Badnarik has some nutty idea's I don't aggree with. He is the worst Libertarian canidate in some time. This is from his wikipedia entry which was the first thing to come up in google with a search of Badnarik and atrophy.
On his website, prior to recieving the Libertarian Party's nomination, Badnarik has proposed that in order to make prison guards have safer jobs, violent felons should not be allowed to exercise for their first month, so that their muscles will atrophy. Badnarik also suggested that if he was elected president he would re-establish America as a sovereign nation by removing and bulldozing the United Nations headquarters in New York. Badnarik has also commented that if elected president "I would announce a special one-week session of Congress where all 535 members would be required to sit through a special version of my Constitution class. Once I was convinced that every member of Congress understood my interpretation of their very limited powers, I would insist that they restate their oath of office while being videotaped."
I did say you did a better job than the others, and I will add, by far.
In this case you mentioned the unemployement rate and compared it with the numbers of presidents that where relected but didn't mentioned the likelyhood of people who has fallen off unemployment and aren't counted anymore.
You also mention what he has to do to get a net job gain, but don't mention the likely hood or unlikely hood of getting those numbers compared with the last four months.
I'm not saying you spun it. I think it was obvious which direction you point because of what you chose to mention. You may not be aware of it just as you suspect me of mistaking you for spining because you "didn't make Bush look bad".
You can tell the policical slant of the editor by the way he posts the article. pudge paints the dissapointing news in the best possible light (read his journal for more of his slant) and the other editors go the other direction. Pudge's slant is much less inflammatory however.
I'm not saying that 30,000 is correct because I have no more information about it. However the troll did say 30,000 iraqi deads, and iraqbodycount.net is counting civillian deaths only, not iraqi deaths.
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I agree. That part of the review seemed ill-informed. May I ask which book you wrote?
If I had mod points I would mod this post back up. Clearly this is not Offtopic as it cleared up something that the article clearly got wrong regaurding plone no longer being under the GPL.
Somone please mod this post back up as informative!
Nevermind that one example of the code they showed, the stuff with the malloc() code in it (which, if not public domain, is easily BSD license) says Copyright SGI on it, not Copyright IBM on it. They're suing the wrong people!
They did display the SGI copyrighted code as an example of code they claim is a direct copy of their own code into Linux, which is a separte issue from the IBM lawsuit which as I understand it has nothing to do with copyright.
While ESR has done a good job of pointing out that this code is very simular to unix code that Caldera released under a BSD license, SCO is claiming that it is exactly like one of thier versions of unix whithout any changes in it. I havn't been able to find any comment at all from SGI, which is not very comforting.
January 23, 2002
Dear UNIX? enthusiasts,
Caldera International, Inc. hereby grants a fee free license that
includes the rights use, modify and distribute this named
source code, including creating derived binary products created from the
source code. The source code for which Caldera
International, Inc. grants rights are limited to the following UNIX
Operating Systems that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-11
CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX Operating System, with
specific exclusion of UNIX System III and UNIX
System V and successor operating systems:
32-bit 32V UNIX
16 bit UNIX Versions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Darwin has no GUI look and feel. Its look and feel is a command line BSD with the directory struture of macosx. On x86 the console was very slow. I didn't use it long enough to figure out if there was a way to make it faster.
I don't think it would matter even if the developer had been doing so without authority. He is a representative of his company and acting on its behalf. If they didn't know about it that's an internal management problem of theirs and they are in trouble.
There are a lot more software packages that will run under linux, there are many packages that will compile with less effort under linux, there are more people with experiance administering linux than there are on SCO.
If the software they are currently running can demonstratably run under linux then its hard to imagine reasons to continue running SCO. There are commercial vendors who will support linux (RedHat,SuSe,Mandrake) and there is only one company that will support SCO's products.
I think its important to be well informed about these things so that we can fight it. Most slashdoters know the score but people reading the articles that slashdot links to, such as this one, may not know the score. Those people may be managers and have questions so perhaps they come to their sysadmin, a slashdoter, and since he is well informed he can fight the FUD.
Otherwise there is a vaccume created by the FUD and we don't want it to be filled with yet more FUD, so we have to fill it with the trueth.
80 lines of code makes quite a case? The NDA is to see 80 lines of code.
Here is an essay from a person that signed the NDA. Here is a bit you may find interesting:
Here is what I think I can say about the code I saw. The code is fairly trivial--the kind of stuff I wrote in school. The similar portions of the code were some 80 lines or so. Looking around the Net, I found close variants of the code, with the same comments and variable names, in sources other than Linux distributions. The code is not in a central part of the Linux kernel. The code does not appear to have been contributed to Linux by SCO or Caldera. The code exists in current versions of the Linux kernel.
Doesn't sound like much of a case to me. Perhaps you mean if hundreds of thousands of lines of code, that would make it quite a case.
Except they can't include code covered by their IP/Copyright or whatever with GPLed software (the linux kernel) without also releasing their code as GPL software. So even SCO customers don't really have a license for their linux distribution unless it was GPLed, which isn't what SCO wants. They actually can't do whatevery they want with their IP.
Also they can't really say "you never know when they will turn against your vendor" because it would be more like "they will turn against your vendor when they begin to threaten every user of linux (or other oss product) and generally act like total asses".
IBM is a company that is big enough to maintain their own distribution of apache (and they do) while SCO has 350 employee's and probably couldn't manage to do as well if the apache group refused to have anything to do with them.
Slashdot Mirror
Or, if you are using sarge just do this:
apt-get install evince
You can then enjoy a thiner faster pdf reader for linux called evince. Its not a browser plugin however. That's a good thing in my book.
FCC rule in section 97.313(a) states "An amateur station must use the minimum power necessary to carry out the desired communication"
So if a ham is transmitting something that doesn't need so much power as he is using he is doing something illegal.
See, its called irony. When you stoop to simple insults one would say your reaction is stunning if it wasn't so predictable, which considering the particular insult, also makes your reaction hypocritical. But this may also make the person to respond to you hypocritical if it was said in an insulting way.
"The hypocrisy of the Democrats here would be stunning if it weren't so predictable."
:)
As a Republican I think saying that is hypocritical of you sir.
Yes, except the discussion WAS a systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
You work at microsoft, you have been indoctrinated with their bigoted point of view against open source. You make faulty conclusions with no opposing point of view. Thus your conversation is part of the propaganda.
Next time bring an intelligent, spirited open source advocate into the conversation. I'm sure slashdot could provide lots of volunteers. Then it may not sound like propaganda.
You know, I just noticed that its on the ERSI front page. Duh!
This page is hosted by ESRI. They write graphical information systems software (gis). I think the intent of this image is to illustrate the capability of their software, not so much to illustrate the election results. Looks like using election results was just a provocative way to get someone to look at their software. I couldn't find where this is linked from on their site. You could say linking to it here is puting it out of context. I would expect to see this image in an add for their product in one of the IT rags.
I used to vote Libertarian every election. But not this time. Badnarik has some nutty idea's I don't aggree with. He is the worst Libertarian canidate in some time. This is from his wikipedia entry which was the first thing to come up in google with a search of Badnarik and atrophy.
On his website, prior to recieving the Libertarian Party's nomination, Badnarik has proposed that in order to make prison guards have safer jobs, violent felons should not be allowed to exercise for their first month, so that their muscles will atrophy. Badnarik also suggested that if he was elected president he would re-establish America as a sovereign nation by removing and bulldozing the United Nations headquarters in New York. Badnarik has also commented that if elected president "I would announce a special one-week session of Congress where all 535 members would be required to sit through a special version of my Constitution class. Once I was convinced that every member of Congress understood my interpretation of their very limited powers, I would insist that they restate their oath of office while being videotaped."
I did say you did a better job than the others, and I will add, by far.
In this case you mentioned the unemployement rate and compared it with the numbers of presidents that where relected but didn't mentioned the likelyhood of people who has fallen off unemployment and aren't counted anymore.
You also mention what he has to do to get a net job gain, but don't mention the likely hood or unlikely hood of getting those numbers compared with the last four months.
I'm not saying you spun it. I think it was obvious which direction you point because of what you chose to mention. You may not be aware of it just as you suspect me of mistaking you for spining because you "didn't make Bush look bad".
You can tell the policical slant of the editor by the way he posts the article. pudge paints the dissapointing news in the best possible light (read his journal for more of his slant) and the other editors go the other direction. Pudge's slant is much less inflammatory however.
I'm not saying that 30,000 is correct because I have no more information about it. However the troll did say 30,000 iraqi deads, and iraqbodycount.net is counting civillian deaths only, not iraqi deaths.
I agree. That part of the review seemed ill-informed. May I ask which book you wrote?
As have I.
If I had mod points I would mod this post back up. Clearly this is not Offtopic as it cleared up something that the article clearly got wrong regaurding plone no longer being under the GPL.
Somone please mod this post back up as informative!
They did display the SGI copyrighted code as an example of code they claim is a direct copy of their own code into Linux, which is a separte issue from the IBM lawsuit which as I understand it has nothing to do with copyright.
While ESR has done a good job of pointing out that this code is very simular to unix code that Caldera released under a BSD license, SCO is claiming that it is exactly like one of thier versions of unix whithout any changes in it. I havn't been able to find any comment at all from SGI, which is not very comforting.
http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Caldera-license.pdf
January 23, 2002 Dear UNIX? enthusiasts, Caldera International, Inc. hereby grants a fee free license that includes the rights use, modify and distribute this named source code, including creating derived binary products created from the source code. The source code for which Caldera International, Inc. grants rights are limited to the following UNIX Operating Systems that operate on the 16-Bit PDP-11 CPU and early versions of the 32-Bit UNIX Operating System, with specific exclusion of UNIX System III and UNIX System V and successor operating systems: 32-bit 32V UNIX 16 bit UNIX Versions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
-Tupshin
Darwin has no GUI look and feel. Its look and feel is a command line BSD with the directory struture of macosx. On x86 the console was very slow. I didn't use it long enough to figure out if there was a way to make it faster.
I don't think it would matter even if the developer had been doing so without authority. He is a representative of his company and acting on its behalf. If they didn't know about it that's an internal management problem of theirs and they are in trouble.
This sounds like a joke, but OK, I'll bite.
There are a lot more software packages that will run under linux, there are many packages that will compile with less effort under linux, there are more people with experiance administering linux than there are on SCO.
If the software they are currently running can demonstratably run under linux then its hard to imagine reasons to continue running SCO. There are commercial vendors who will support linux (RedHat,SuSe,Mandrake) and there is only one company that will support SCO's products.
According to this they not only are the 2nd licensee from SCO but they also received a warrent to buy 210,000 shares of SCOX at 1.83 per share!
g =f d_top
http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-1024633.html?ta
Bastards.
I think its important to be well informed about these things so that we can fight it. Most slashdoters know the score but people reading the articles that slashdot links to, such as this one, may not know the score. Those people may be managers and have questions so perhaps they come to their sysadmin, a slashdoter, and since he is well informed he can fight the FUD.
Otherwise there is a vaccume created by the FUD and we don't want it to be filled with yet more FUD, so we have to fill it with the trueth.
What I seem to misunderstand is that you or the parent poster (if you are the same AC) think that 80 lines is "quite a case".
80 lines of code makes quite a case? The NDA is to see 80 lines of code.
Here is an essay from a person that signed the NDA. Here is a bit you may find interesting:
Here is what I think I can say about the code I saw. The code is fairly trivial--the kind of stuff I wrote in school. The similar portions of the code were some 80 lines or so. Looking around the Net, I found close variants of the code, with the same comments and variable names, in sources other than Linux distributions. The code is not in a central part of the Linux kernel. The code does not appear to have been contributed to Linux by SCO or Caldera. The code exists in current versions of the Linux kernel.
Doesn't sound like much of a case to me. Perhaps you mean if hundreds of thousands of lines of code, that would make it quite a case.
Except they can't include code covered by their IP/Copyright or whatever with GPLed software (the linux kernel) without also releasing their code as GPL software. So even SCO customers don't really have a license for their linux distribution unless it was GPLed, which isn't what SCO wants.
They actually can't do whatevery they want with their IP.
Also they can't really say "you never know when they will turn against your vendor" because it would be more like "they will turn against your vendor when they begin to threaten every user of linux (or other oss product) and generally act like total asses".
IBM is a company that is big enough to maintain their own distribution of apache (and they do) while SCO has 350 employee's and probably couldn't manage to do as well if the apache group refused to have anything to do with them.