hehehehehehehe, it has been a while since I have been flamed so pointlessly. I will respond for anyone who might have been confused by your response.
As for referring to "Europe" i was using the same term a VP(CEO?) of GM(?) used recently when saying the advanced cruise control as coming out there and not here. I guess he didn't know what he was talking about.
AS for the complexity being "unimaginable", fortunately there are many of us who can think a bit bigger then you. If it required a large infrastructure, we could handle it. I am sure 30 years ago having nearly every computer in the world connected to each other would have seemed "unimaginable". I mean, why would we ever need more then 4 billion IP address?
And lastly,as for autoland comment, I guess when the linked article says "without help from the pilot" doesn't mean what it says. Yet again you should tell them how wrong they are.
What I find strangest about your post is that you grant we get Lift tech and then discard it because it has no real use. You don't mention what we will discard it for and I think very few people can conceive of any tech that will be cheaper. You suggested replacement?
a comment about your computer example: Other then the act of starting a computing project helps improve computing, if you start in 1980 you will finish sooner then if you wait till 2005. Your model would, at one extreme, have us wait to try computing anything until we had the best computer there will ever be.
i'll buy that the paperwork is holding the whole process up. One of the reasons why Europe will get "advanced" cruise control while we in the state will have to wait forever.....i mean, it could be 5 years before we get something like that on the roads.
As for the autopilot, we already have it. Commercial airlines land and take off via autopilot all the time currently. Even if we didn't have it in commercial planes, the military has any number of planes that will do this. This one takes about auto landing at sea.
Heck, there was an article just a while ago about how the military has what amounts to a RTS interface for controling groups of drone aircraft. And that is the stuff they tell us about.
There really isn't 2 separate items being sold. With a series 2 tivo the service is mandatory. Just because someone didn't realize this doesn't change what is being done.
Part of that agreement is to allow them to update you machine (which includes service). Some updates you will like, others you won't. The scope of what they can legally do is going to be pretty wide (since they wrote the contract). They could probably delete all you shows 5 minutes after they air, legally.
The question of whether or not it is SMART is very different. All this means is that a open source all-in-one package will come out that much faster, presuming that the legislature doesn't make it illegal.
I was a VERY early tivo series 1 adopter. More and more it looks like my next PVR will have to be open source. When my current tivo dies, or when they cripple it too much, I will move on to another device and miss the friendly tivo sounds. I will curse them much like I do many other companies that had an amazing brand and then flushed it down the toilet.
Adults already make the VAST portion of buying & renting decisions for games, either for themselves or for their kids. This law is not going to cause much change in the way games are sold and rented. This solution was tried already when the ESRB was first introduced. It was supposed to head off legislation. Did it work?
What this law DOES do is say, "It's ok to put restrictions on things cause there are BAD THINGS out there that parents need help with." These are the other BAD THINGS that a 17 year old can not do but a 18 can:
Vote Buy a Gun Get Married Have Sex Buy cigarettes Join the Armed Forces Buy a Video Game
Now, the point isn't all the rest are FAR more important, or how you can drive a car before you buy a game about violently driving a car. It's that you are setting such a low threshold for what deserves restriction.
Now someone can come along and say, "Buying a gun is a big decision. You need to be 18 to buy a video game, don't you agree you should be older than that to buy a gun/cigarettes/have sex/vote? That's much more important."
Suggesting that violent video games are in the same LEAGUE as the rest of them is insane. It is tacit to saying that books should be rated. I mean, can you tell me why a video game about killing someone can be restricted, a movie about killing someone can be restricted but a book about the same topic can not?
He was talking about gaming,which in this context is pretty clear cut and simple. Sorry it is hard for you to understand. You just point to over all GDP which in this context is only mildly interesting at best.
Want more stats? In the EU the PS2 sold about 1:15, in japan it sold 1:7.5. Or look at the GDP: japan has (about) 1/3 the GDP of the EU but bought about 2/3 the number of PS2s.
None of these number reflect games bought thou, which is far more important than simple consoles sold. Since Japan has already shown a willingness to spend a large percentage of their GDP on the consoles, the same is likely even more so for games.
But really, all of that is just intelligent speculation. The cold fact of the matter is that th EU (or just the UK in this case) is always the last to get anything. Obviously, the EU isn't as important to Sony & Co. as Japan & the USA. Which was really at the heart of the original post, even if he might have been trolling.
I saw your number and didn't like them, so i went and found some more recent stats. The ratios remain about the same. The I went to look at some other metrics...
The population was the one that jumped out at me.
EU : 450,000,000 USA : 300,000,000 Japan : 125,000,000
You look at the population vs number of units sold and a very different story is told. Those numbers aren't hard and fast for alot of reason but even if common sense didn't kick in, it seems very likely that gaming is far more a part of Japan & USA life than the EU. Maybe I just like to think that the EU gets out more than we of the USA.
A MUCH better number then units sold would be games sold. Thats where the real money off of gaming is made and that is what is going to direct future decision sby the various game companies.
Sure, the total size of the EU's GDP is comparable but what percent of that GDP is devoted to gaming? I'll bet it's nothing like Japan.
Nothing is like Japan. Nothing.
At last where video game are concerned. You think they save the EU for last cause it is their best market? Heck, this isn't even the EU, this is just the UK, right?
Or to put it differently: Do you think Sony and Nintendo are going to lend more weight to sales figures in Japan, USA or the EU?
Yes, 7 figures is obscene. The fact that you don't realize that it is highlights how out of touch you are with 99.99% of the planet. Hell about 99% of america. After just a couple of years making that you will make more money than most people in the world will during their entire lives. And you expect it.
That's obscene.
Note, I am not blaming you or your profession. It is something that we as a culture have encouraged and are now paying the price. The new ruling class will be the ones who make the laws.
I would like to think that he says what he means and that they are going to try and go an entirely different direction with Zelda and not go back as soon as it hit some bumps.It maybe that this is even to tie into a shift of game play based on the Revolution.
Frankly, I think the best thing would be to let Link & Zelda lie fallow for an entire game console generation or 2. That won't happen anytime soon but I like the thought. I have love all off them over the last 2 console cycles but keeping something fresh for over 20 years gets kinda hard...
The question should be why can't he get a good 5:1 speaker system for less then the cost of 400 gig hard drive? You have just told him to spend as much on the audio as on the rest of his entire system.
And this makes sense to you.
And others, because you got modded up for the comment. That scares me most-est.
and you know SF is not anything like most of the country.
To retro-fit the entire country for the current crop of public transit would just never work outside of maybe a dozen cities. We simply have too much space for too few people. France has 3 times as many people per square mile, the uk has almost 10 times. The places that are built up, for example NY and SF, do have a rather complete transit system.
Basically, you might be able to walk for minutes to work but a large portion of the country couldn't walk the 10 miles to work they need to. Now biking to work....
Yes, oil is like heroin and kicking a habit like that can be nearly impossible for some people. You have to do it the right way or you cause more harm then you solve.
Oh, and we will ignore the fact that just like any junkie most people will not admit there is a problem.....
It didn't always have the evidence that it currently has, why should string theory be any different?
A more important requirement is that string theory have something that can be tested as either false or true. Otherwise you might as well say the tiny space monkeys are pushing dark matter around in little red wagons.
Every time something crazy comes out such as this I pray for more of the same.
The only way deep change will come about is when people are told that they can't modify their cars with non-GM parts, when people are told that they can only wear nike shoes with nike pants, when people are prohibited from buying an oral B tooth brush with some Crest toothpaste unless they sign a contract where they promises not to use the 2 products together.
Let the crazy come cause the crazy can't stay, they can just hassle us for a while.
So, basically I have to feel sorry for people who repeatedly make dumb choices?
Sure there are people who are getting hit and hurt by this that did the best they could, who had limited options. But I can guarantee that there will be people who will re-build in the same damn place, waiting for it to happen again because "it's my family's land. My daddy died for this land!"
i don't feel sorry for people who smoke and get cancer, I don't feel sorry for Republicans who voted for George Bush and I don't feel sorry for people that insist on building in places where they know they will be fucked.
For the people who have no choice, for all the children that this is so painful for I am truly sad. For everyone else, deal.
With digital releases, how can you ensure compensation without DRM?
I have no idea but it is a good question and one I feel that will get answered. Most likely there will be many models that work, not just one. Subscriptions, author discussions, honor, commissions, Advertisement (ewww), begging, or maybe Gurnfalting. I don't know what Gurnfalting is but I think it is the one that is going to work.
wow. Impressive. So because it is an ELEMENT it's special. I have this VERY large stack of carbon here, which is ALSO an element that has many interesting properties, one of which is it can become diamond, the second hardest substance known to man. Some people call my VERY large stock pile of carbon a "tree" but I don't trust those damn commies and you shouldn't either.
Sure, some people like gold for gold - they think it looks pretty, they make conductors out of it,whatever. A whole lot more people like bread a whole lot more of the time. Bread allows you to do something that is fundamental to life - Live. Gold doesn't. Most people value living more then a pretty color.
Or to try a slightly different tactic - Money is a technology, and a VERY successful one at that. Every culture that is exposed to the idea of money loves it and never goes back to any other way. Money, in all it's forms, lets you do things that nothing else can. Money is here to stay. It might change slightly. Why people get it, why people give it and what people do with it may change but something like money (or mod point!) will be around for a long, wonderful time to come.
Look, the creation process is still legally protected with copyright and what not but that doesn't mean IT should survive either. When a system is obviously straining under technology as much as copyright is it suggests there is something broken within it.
Over 600 years ago there was nothing like copyright. There wasn't nearly enough books for it to even occur to people to have. Printing press changed that. Why should we assume that anything like the old style copyright should continue now that the technology has change so much yet again?
Yes, a high quality,professional book does currently requires a great deal of time from a number of people (editors, proof readers, writers,etc.) but there is no reason that has to stay that way for ever. Maybe it will, maybe DRM is the answer. The catch is you can not define the problem as "How will we get the same people to write books in the future?" but instead must define the problem as "Why will people write books in the future?"
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hehehehehehehe, it has been a while since I have been flamed so pointlessly. I will respond for anyone who might have been confused by your response.
As for referring to "Europe" i was using the same term a VP(CEO?) of GM(?) used recently when saying the advanced cruise control as coming out there and not here. I guess he didn't know what he was talking about.
AS for the complexity being "unimaginable", fortunately there are many of us who can think a bit bigger then you. If it required a large infrastructure, we could handle it. I am sure 30 years ago having nearly every computer in the world connected to each other would have seemed "unimaginable". I mean, why would we ever need more then 4 billion IP address?
And lastly,as for autoland comment, I guess when the linked article says "without help from the pilot" doesn't mean what it says. Yet again you should tell them how wrong they are.
What I find strangest about your post is that you grant we get Lift tech and then discard it because it has no real use. You don't mention what we will discard it for and I think very few people can conceive of any tech that will be cheaper. You suggested replacement?
a comment about your computer example: Other then the act of starting a computing project helps improve computing, if you start in 1980 you will finish sooner then if you wait till 2005. Your model would, at one extreme, have us wait to try computing anything until we had the best computer there will ever be.
i'll buy that the paperwork is holding the whole process up. One of the reasons why Europe will get "advanced" cruise control while we in the state will have to wait forever.....i mean, it could be 5 years before we get something like that on the roads.
As for the autopilot, we already have it. Commercial airlines land and take off via autopilot all the time currently. Even if we didn't have it in commercial planes, the military has any number of planes that will do this. This one takes about auto landing at sea.
Heck, there was an article just a while ago about how the military has what amounts to a RTS interface for controling groups of drone aircraft. And that is the stuff they tell us about.
.. but the MPAA, Macrovision and others would REALLY like you to forget....
HEY LOOK! A PONY!!
There really isn't 2 separate items being sold. With a series 2 tivo the service is mandatory. Just because someone didn't realize this doesn't change what is being done.
Part of that agreement is to allow them to update you machine (which includes service). Some updates you will like, others you won't. The scope of what they can legally do is going to be pretty wide (since they wrote the contract). They could probably delete all you shows 5 minutes after they air, legally.
The question of whether or not it is SMART is very different. All this means is that a open source all-in-one package will come out that much faster, presuming that the legislature doesn't make it illegal.
I was a VERY early tivo series 1 adopter. More and more it looks like my next PVR will have to be open source. When my current tivo dies, or when they cripple it too much, I will move on to another device and miss the friendly tivo sounds. I will curse them much like I do many other companies that had an amazing brand and then flushed it down the toilet.
The problem that this bill "fixes" doesn't exist.
Adults already make the VAST portion of buying & renting decisions for games, either for themselves or for their kids. This law is not going to cause much change in the way games are sold and rented. This solution was tried already when the ESRB was first introduced. It was supposed to head off legislation. Did it work?
What this law DOES do is say, "It's ok to put restrictions on things cause there are BAD THINGS out there that parents need help with." These are the other BAD THINGS that a 17 year old can not do but a 18 can:
Vote
Buy a Gun
Get Married
Have Sex
Buy cigarettes
Join the Armed Forces
Buy a Video Game
Now, the point isn't all the rest are FAR more important, or how you can drive a car before you buy a game about violently driving a car. It's that you are setting such a low threshold for what deserves restriction.
Now someone can come along and say, "Buying a gun is a big decision. You need to be 18 to buy a video game, don't you agree you should be older than that to buy a gun/cigarettes/have sex/vote? That's much more important."
Suggesting that violent video games are in the same LEAGUE as the rest of them is insane. It is tacit to saying that books should be rated. I mean, can you tell me why a video game about killing someone can be restricted, a movie about killing someone can be restricted but a book about the same topic can not?
He was talking about gaming,which in this context is pretty clear cut and simple. Sorry it is hard for you to understand. You just point to over all GDP which in this context is only mildly interesting at best.
Want more stats? In the EU the PS2 sold about 1:15, in japan it sold 1:7.5. Or look at the GDP: japan has (about) 1/3 the GDP of the EU but bought about 2/3 the number of PS2s.
None of these number reflect games bought thou, which is far more important than simple consoles sold. Since Japan has already shown a willingness to spend a large percentage of their GDP on the consoles, the same is likely even more so for games.
But really, all of that is just intelligent speculation. The cold fact of the matter is that th EU (or just the UK in this case) is always the last to get anything. Obviously, the EU isn't as important to Sony & Co. as Japan & the USA. Which was really at the heart of the original post, even if he might have been trolling.
I saw your number and didn't like them, so i went and found some more recent stats. The ratios remain about the same. The I went to look at some other metrics...
The population was the one that jumped out at me.
EU : 450,000,000
USA : 300,000,000
Japan : 125,000,000
You look at the population vs number of units sold and a very different story is told. Those numbers aren't hard and fast for alot of reason but even if common sense didn't kick in, it seems very likely that gaming is far more a part of Japan & USA life than the EU. Maybe I just like to think that the EU gets out more than we of the USA.
A MUCH better number then units sold would be games sold. Thats where the real money off of gaming is made and that is what is going to direct future decision sby the various game companies.
Sure, the total size of the EU's GDP is comparable but what percent of that GDP is devoted to gaming? I'll bet it's nothing like Japan.
Nothing is like Japan. Nothing.
At last where video game are concerned. You think they save the EU for last cause it is their best market? Heck, this isn't even the EU, this is just the UK, right?
Or to put it differently: Do you think Sony and Nintendo are going to lend more weight to sales figures in Japan, USA or the EU?
Yes, 7 figures is obscene. The fact that you don't realize that it is highlights how out of touch you are with 99.99% of the planet. Hell about 99% of america. After just a couple of years making that you will make more money than most people in the world will during their entire lives. And you expect it.
That's obscene.
Note, I am not blaming you or your profession. It is something that we as a culture have encouraged and are now paying the price. The new ruling class will be the ones who make the laws.
I would like to think that he says what he means and that they are going to try and go an entirely different direction with Zelda and not go back as soon as it hit some bumps.It maybe that this is even to tie into a shift of game play based on the Revolution.
Frankly, I think the best thing would be to let Link & Zelda lie fallow for an entire game console generation or 2. That won't happen anytime soon but I like the thought. I have love all off them over the last 2 console cycles but keeping something fresh for over 20 years gets kinda hard...
The question should be why can't he get a good 5:1 speaker system for less then the cost of 400 gig hard drive? You have just told him to spend as much on the audio as on the rest of his entire system.
And this makes sense to you.
And others, because you got modded up for the comment. That scares me most-est.
All I could in your post was "My console Karma SUCKS!"
One stole and the other exploded? damn.
and you know SF is not anything like most of the country.
To retro-fit the entire country for the current crop of public transit would just never work outside of maybe a dozen cities. We simply have too much space for too few people. France has 3 times as many people per square mile, the uk has almost 10 times. The places that are built up, for example NY and SF, do have a rather complete transit system.
Basically, you might be able to walk for minutes to work but a large portion of the country couldn't walk the 10 miles to work they need to. Now biking to work....
Yes, oil is like heroin and kicking a habit like that can be nearly impossible for some people. You have to do it the right way or you cause more harm then you solve.
Oh, and we will ignore the fact that just like any junkie most people will not admit there is a problem.....
>>they are the last line of defense between the government and the Constitution.
Actually, the people are.
I've seen the people. We have no hope.
It didn't always have the evidence that it currently has, why should string theory be any different?
A more important requirement is that string theory have something that can be tested as either false or true. Otherwise you might as well say the tiny space monkeys are pushing dark matter around in little red wagons.
Thats a nice thought, but it will never happen since you would have to get the people who this would effect to enact it.
Every time something crazy comes out such as this I pray for more of the same.
The only way deep change will come about is when people are told that they can't modify their cars with non-GM parts, when people are told that they can only wear nike shoes with nike pants, when people are prohibited from buying an oral B tooth brush with some Crest toothpaste unless they sign a contract where they promises not to use the 2 products together.
Let the crazy come cause the crazy can't stay, they can just hassle us for a while.
THIEF!!!! I bet you go to the bathroom while there are commercials on to, hu!! God damn COMMIE!
So, basically I have to feel sorry for people who repeatedly make dumb choices?
Sure there are people who are getting hit and hurt by this that did the best they could, who had limited options. But I can guarantee that there will be people who will re-build in the same damn place, waiting for it to happen again because "it's my family's land. My daddy died for this land!"
i don't feel sorry for people who smoke and get cancer, I don't feel sorry for Republicans who voted for George Bush and I don't feel sorry for people that insist on building in places where they know they will be fucked.
For the people who have no choice, for all the children that this is so painful for I am truly sad. For everyone else, deal.
wow, how is the 50's treating you??
Or to put it differently - that is un-natural and unfair. You must now die.
are you telling me that.....GAMES are what is causing the DS to sell? ....how ....weird....
Thanks for the info,absolutely fascinating.
With digital releases, how can you ensure compensation without DRM?
I have no idea but it is a good question and one I feel that will get answered. Most likely there will be many models that work, not just one. Subscriptions, author discussions, honor, commissions, Advertisement (ewww), begging, or maybe Gurnfalting. I don't know what Gurnfalting is but I think it is the one that is going to work.
wow. Impressive. So because it is an ELEMENT it's special. I have this VERY large stack of carbon here, which is ALSO an element that has many interesting properties, one of which is it can become diamond, the second hardest substance known to man. Some people call my VERY large stock pile of carbon a "tree" but I don't trust those damn commies and you shouldn't either.
Sure, some people like gold for gold - they think it looks pretty, they make conductors out of it,whatever. A whole lot more people like bread a whole lot more of the time. Bread allows you to do something that is fundamental to life - Live. Gold doesn't. Most people value living more then a pretty color.
Or to try a slightly different tactic - Money is a technology, and a VERY successful one at that. Every culture that is exposed to the idea of money loves it and never goes back to any other way. Money, in all it's forms, lets you do things that nothing else can. Money is here to stay. It might change slightly. Why people get it, why people give it and what people do with it may change but something like money (or mod point!) will be around for a long, wonderful time to come.
Your clafacation hasn't changed the point.
Look, the creation process is still legally protected with copyright and what not but that doesn't mean IT should survive either. When a system is obviously straining under technology as much as copyright is it suggests there is something broken within it.
Over 600 years ago there was nothing like copyright. There wasn't nearly enough books for it to even occur to people to have. Printing press changed that. Why should we assume that anything like the old style copyright should continue now that the technology has change so much yet again?
Yes, a high quality,professional book does currently requires a great deal of time from a number of people (editors, proof readers, writers,etc.) but there is no reason that has to stay that way for ever. Maybe it will, maybe DRM is the answer. The catch is you can not define the problem as "How will we get the same people to write books in the future?" but instead must define the problem as "Why will people write books in the future?"