Of course there really hasn't been enough time to establish negligence on the part of BP in this specific case.
But considering BPs track record, I wouldn't bet against it.
We can start with the plant explosions in Texas,
go to the pipeline issues/leaks in Alaska. This company has a record of ignoring safety.
As for tree huggers being the reason behind stopping natural gas usage.
Except that the tree huggers don't like natural gas either, because it isn't "carbon neutral".
I don't know where you got the idea that tree huggers were able to stop the usage of NG. It was the gasoline companies and their lobbyist which put the big stop to it.
So continue on with your belief that there just isn't any other way.
But if you dig a little deeper you might find that some big name oil and coal companies are the actual tree huggers, not because it benefits the environment, but because it benefits their way of doing business and their pocket books.
I believe that the law only protects them if it was an accident. If they were to be found negligent they could find themselves outside the umbrella of the law.
Another point would be. Has the law ever been tested in court in a case this large.
There may be a constitutional element that hasn't been thoroughly vetted.
I haven't bought from Exxon since that time and avoid purchasing any product in their gas stations.
I also don't buy gas from 7-Eleven or any quickie stop, because I don't know whose gas they are selling.
For me it's really not that hard to do.
But of course , I have no idea how many renamed products I have purchased from other named gas companies.
It may not have anything to do with money. It may have a lot to do with the people running the DoE.
If the DoE is gettting more money than was spent on the Manhattan Project, then this is a case of wasted funding.
And by the way natural gas, hydrogen can replace a large amount of our usage along with electricity.
Most people do not drive their vehicles more than a 100 miles one way and we really aren't that far from developing cars that can make it this far.
In fact some of the people here at work bought and converted some vehicles over to electric using kits.
Maybe we should use some of that DoE money to support the purchase of these types of kits.
We are never going to be independent of oil and gas, but by decreasing our usage we can decrease our dependence on foreign interests, and companies which are being negligent to human safety and the environment.
This is not the first time BP's name has come up , with regards to safety,
The CPU industry has been developing quad cores and releasing 8 cores. But a lot of my software can't take advantage of this.
We just bought the latest version of software from one company and found that it ran a lot slower than the earlier version. I happened to stick it on a VM with only one core and it worked a lot faster.
We talked about MATLAB yesterday not being able to do 64 bit integers, big deal. I was told that their Neural Network package doesn't have parallel processing capabilities. I was like you have got to be freaking kidding me. A $1000 NN package that doesn't support parallel processing.
You have just pointed out the reason why a number of providers are dragging there feet about switching
They don't have to train anyone, hire anyone else, update any hardware, just sit and wait and in a couple of years everybody will be screaming.
"WE'RE OUT OF IP's , WE'RE OUT OF IP's"
It will make it to the business section 2 columns half a page, one paragraph explaining solution. But most of the article will talk about the shortage and the burden it has placed on ISP's who now have to manage and ration IP addresses. So that $5 IP address is now $12 dollars/month. They have now increased their cash intake 140% doing nothing.
So the only way this is going to happen is if someone like Google,Motorola,Nokia, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, becomes truly hampered by this and see a loss of product growth do to it. Then the money will flow to Congress and they will have a hearing on how the industry can't manage itself and eventually pass regulations requiring usage of IPv6.
I can't wait for the analogy of the big pipe having many little pipes with addresses (I may start taking book on which Congress man does it first).
This may also be a wonderful time for the ISP's to explain why they must control the flow of traffic with certain cost penalties. Partially so they can recoop the 140% gain for doing nothing they will loose if they cooperate.
I can't tell whether I'm being insightful or funny, please tell me.
Documentation and support. Basically you can do everything in MATLAB that you can do in both (R and Octave). You just have a lot more documentation.
If I did something in MATLAB, then once I was sure of what I wanted to do or needed to do with a dataset or dataset, I would then move it to R and Octave, because then I would know exactly what information I am searching for in R and or Octave to obtain the same results.
Why switch to R and Octave after doing it in MATLAB? because of licensing.
aggravated assault 1.26 times the national average. the report you linked also showed a 5% increase in assault.
So I'm not sure I would define it as an extremely safe city.
My impression came from talking to someone who lived there. Which is pertinent to this discussion because it may actually reflect what the people in Arizona felt prior to supporting this law.
I was there when a trip into Juarez was no concern. Go shopping during the day and go to the race track at night. That does not appear to be the sentiment now.
Along the topic of border issues a bomb went off in Nuevo Laredo also earlier this month.
There is a freaking war going on over there.
But if we allow this to be ignored and just say it is an over the border problem and tell people on the border to suck it up. Then we may end up with the same type of legislation here in Texas.
Uhhh , have you been to El Paso in the last 10 years?
There are places there where the police won't even hang out en masse.
Go to Interstate 10 down around Yandell and Paisano Dr and ask someone for a cigarette tonight.
Is that everyone is talking about the Arizona law and no one is talking about the path that led to them creating this law.
Some think it was a failure of our Federal government.
Some think it was hype FUD from media in Arizona.
I don't know, but I would rather see a discussion about this and gain more insight into why Arizona felt they had to take these actions.
I talked with an Arizona resident and they indicated that a lot of the swing for support began when a rancher was killed in Arizona by illegal aliens.
Well here in Texas we had a serial killer that was an illegal alien and currently have a freaking war going on a stones throw (literally) from a border city.
I think if we don't start understanding what motivates the populace to support these actions we are going to have more laws passed, more actions taken.
for a company presentation. Substituting Gov -> Executive Commitee, Coalition --> Teams, Population --> Employees, Insurgents --> Unions.
Seems to be working out rather well.
This is just an example of a government project having a by product which is beneficial to all of us.
No need to go to the Mars, when you can spend billions going to Afghanistan..
How much does it cost to re-image 100 ++ desktops and having everyone idle for a couple of days.
It's poor math and probability analysis in management that gets us to this point.
They are accepting of the fact that they have to re-image their home computer once or twice a year or take it into geek busters for tune up. I even sat there and listened while one executive talked about having to have his computer re-imaged 3 times a year ( To bad the CEO didn't know that he was getting his IT department to do it, but then again the CEO was doing the same with his families computers). But they can't seem to put this into dollars lost when you multiply that by 100.
I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has heard of a business going down because they had an outbreak. And they sat their trying to clean it up one computer at a time for a day until they realized that they had to do every computer offline and then bring them back online.
Nope that didn't cost much.
Thank goodness they had a snowstorm, so their marketing./sales people could give an excuse to customers.
Exactly.
Currently we have a policy where only Firefox is to be used for external websites and IE for internal. Although we are moving everything over to Firefox. Might as well since we had to re-write the web app code anyway.
And this way users can use Firefox for both internal and external browsing.
Currently if you are gambling online you are supposed to pay taxes on your winnings.
Just like the stock market.
I have to record each bet I make and submit them with my tax return. I then have to pay taxes on my winnings separate from my income.
So to say that gambling is not taxed currently is BS.
Among those who gamble, an excellent return rate is about 5%. Basically what this would do is get the middle of the road gamblers out of gambling. The whales will stay, because the house gives them rebates on their bets, anywhere from 5-10%. So they can still make money at it.
So basically the only people who will be making money are whales, the house and the government.
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Or we could talk about keys and keychains.
Of course there really hasn't been enough time to establish negligence on the part of BP in this specific case.
But considering BPs track record, I wouldn't bet against it.
We can start with the plant explosions in Texas, go to the pipeline issues/leaks in Alaska. This company has a record of ignoring safety.
As for tree huggers being the reason behind stopping natural gas usage. Except that the tree huggers don't like natural gas either, because it isn't "carbon neutral".
I don't know where you got the idea that tree huggers were able to stop the usage of NG. It was the gasoline companies and their lobbyist which put the big stop to it.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5615
So continue on with your belief that there just isn't any other way.
But if you dig a little deeper you might find that some big name oil and coal companies are the actual tree huggers, not because it benefits the environment, but because it benefits their way of doing business and their pocket books.
Let's not forget the BP chemical plants which go boom.
What does work well in a choppy sea?
A working blow out preventer.
I believe that the law only protects them if it was an accident. If they were to be found negligent they could find themselves outside the umbrella of the law.
Another point would be. Has the law ever been tested in court in a case this large.
There may be a constitutional element that hasn't been thoroughly vetted.
I haven't bought from Exxon since that time and avoid purchasing any product in their gas stations.
I also don't buy gas from 7-Eleven or any quickie stop, because I don't know whose gas they are selling.
For me it's really not that hard to do.
But of course , I have no idea how many renamed products I have purchased from other named gas companies.
It may not have anything to do with money. It may have a lot to do with the people running the DoE.
If the DoE is gettting more money than was spent on the Manhattan Project, then this is a case of wasted funding.
And by the way natural gas, hydrogen can replace a large amount of our usage along with electricity.
Most people do not drive their vehicles more than a 100 miles one way and we really aren't that far from developing cars that can make it this far.
In fact some of the people here at work bought and converted some vehicles over to electric using kits.
Maybe we should use some of that DoE money to support the purchase of these types of kits.
We are never going to be independent of oil and gas, but by decreasing our usage we can decrease our dependence on foreign interests, and companies which are being negligent to human safety and the environment.
This is not the first time BP's name has come up , with regards to safety,
The CPU industry has been developing quad cores and releasing 8 cores. But a lot of my software can't take advantage of this.
We just bought the latest version of software from one company and found that it ran a lot slower than the earlier version. I happened to stick it on a VM with only one core and it worked a lot faster.
We talked about MATLAB yesterday not being able to do 64 bit integers, big deal. I was told that their Neural Network package doesn't have parallel processing capabilities. I was like you have got to be freaking kidding me. A $1000 NN package that doesn't support parallel processing.
You have just pointed out the reason why a number of providers are dragging there feet about switching
They don't have to train anyone, hire anyone else, update any hardware, just sit and wait and in a couple of years everybody will be screaming.
"WE'RE OUT OF IP's , WE'RE OUT OF IP's"
It will make it to the business section 2 columns half a page, one paragraph explaining solution. But most of the article will talk about the shortage and the burden it has placed on ISP's who now have to manage and ration IP addresses. So that $5 IP address is now $12 dollars/month. They have now increased their cash intake 140% doing nothing.
So the only way this is going to happen is if someone like Google,Motorola,Nokia, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, becomes truly hampered by this and see a loss of product growth do to it. Then the money will flow to Congress and they will have a hearing on how the industry can't manage itself and eventually pass regulations requiring usage of IPv6.
I can't wait for the analogy of the big pipe having many little pipes with addresses (I may start taking book on which Congress man does it first).
This may also be a wonderful time for the ISP's to explain why they must control the flow of traffic with certain cost penalties. Partially so they can recoop the 140% gain for doing nothing they will loose if they cooperate.
I can't tell whether I'm being insightful or funny, please tell me.
Documentation and support. Basically you can do everything in MATLAB that you can do in both (R and Octave). You just have a lot more documentation.
If I did something in MATLAB, then once I was sure of what I wanted to do or needed to do with a dataset or dataset, I would then move it to R and Octave, because then I would know exactly what information I am searching for in R and or Octave to obtain the same results.
Why switch to R and Octave after doing it in MATLAB? because of licensing.
http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=El+Paso&state=TX
aggravated assault 1.26 times the national average. the report you linked also showed a 5% increase in assault.
So I'm not sure I would define it as an extremely safe city.
My impression came from talking to someone who lived there. Which is pertinent to this discussion because it may actually reflect what the people in Arizona felt prior to supporting this law.
I was there when a trip into Juarez was no concern. Go shopping during the day and go to the race track at night. That does not appear to be the sentiment now.
Along the topic of border issues a bomb went off in Nuevo Laredo also earlier this month.
There is a freaking war going on over there.
But if we allow this to be ignored and just say it is an over the border problem and tell people on the border to suck it up. Then we may end up with the same type of legislation here in Texas.
Require this of people working for the Federal Treasury and SEC. I kind of thought that's what they were doing during the last 10 years.
Uhhh , have you been to El Paso in the last 10 years?
There are places there where the police won't even hang out en masse.
Go to Interstate 10 down around Yandell and Paisano Dr and ask someone for a cigarette tonight.
Is that everyone is talking about the Arizona law and no one is talking about the path that led to them creating this law.
Some think it was a failure of our Federal government.
Some think it was hype FUD from media in Arizona.
I don't know, but I would rather see a discussion about this and gain more insight into why Arizona felt they had to take these actions.
I talked with an Arizona resident and they indicated that a lot of the swing for support began when a rancher was killed in Arizona by illegal aliens.
Well here in Texas we had a serial killer that was an illegal alien and currently have a freaking war going on a stones throw (literally) from a border city.
I think if we don't start understanding what motivates the populace to support these actions we are going to have more laws passed, more actions taken.
I think you would get a better response, if you would stand in front of one of their tanks while CNN filmed it.
It's worked before.
for a company presentation. Substituting Gov -> Executive Commitee, Coalition --> Teams, Population --> Employees, Insurgents --> Unions.
Seems to be working out rather well.
This is just an example of a government project having a by product which is beneficial to all of us.
No need to go to the Mars, when you can spend billions going to Afghanistan..
Thanks for the links.
For a fuzzy blurr , she's kind of hot.
Are you kidding. They are all looking at MS Technical report page to find the next bell and shiny object so they will be noticed by management.
Yeah , we do the same , but we're also uninstalling Office 2007. Seems there are some incompatibility with Office 2000.
How much does it cost to re-image 100 ++ desktops and having everyone idle for a couple of days.
It's poor math and probability analysis in management that gets us to this point.
They are accepting of the fact that they have to re-image their home computer once or twice a year or take it into geek busters for tune up. I even sat there and listened while one executive talked about having to have his computer re-imaged 3 times a year ( To bad the CEO didn't know that he was getting his IT department to do it, but then again the CEO was doing the same with his families computers). But they can't seem to put this into dollars lost when you multiply that by 100.
I'm sure that I'm not the only one who has heard of a business going down because they had an outbreak. And they sat their trying to clean it up one computer at a time for a day until they realized that they had to do every computer offline and then bring them back online.
Nope that didn't cost much.
Thank goodness they had a snowstorm, so their marketing./sales people could give an excuse to customers.
Exactly.
Currently we have a policy where only Firefox is to be used for external websites and IE for internal. Although we are moving everything over to Firefox. Might as well since we had to re-write the web app code anyway.
And this way users can use Firefox for both internal and external browsing.
Currently if you are gambling online you are supposed to pay taxes on your winnings.
Just like the stock market.
I have to record each bet I make and submit them with my tax return. I then have to pay taxes on my winnings separate from my income.
So to say that gambling is not taxed currently is BS.
Among those who gamble, an excellent return rate is about 5%. Basically what this would do is get the middle of the road gamblers out of gambling. The whales will stay, because the house gives them rebates on their bets, anywhere from 5-10%. So they can still make money at it.
So basically the only people who will be making money are whales, the house and the government.
If I were Scarlett Johansen, I'd be afraid, very afraid.
well, I think we just stretched this into ethical standards as a whole.
Yeah, that Madoff thing , they were right on top of it.