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PowerPoint of Afghan War Strategy

eldavojohn writes "Disillusioned by PowerPoint at work? Some members of the US Military view it as 'an internal threat.' Marine Corps General James N. Mattis says, 'PowerPoint makes us stupid,' reaching the same conclusion NASA came to back in 2003. But nothing speaks to this more than the spaghetti-bowl PowerPoint slide of the US Military's strategy in the ongoing war in Afghanistan. The slide causes anyone's eyes to glaze over with confusion so much that General McChrystal jokingly stated when he saw it, 'When we understand that slide, we'll have won the war.' At my job, I know that feeling all too well."

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  1. PowerPoint makes us stupid by ls671 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "PowerPoint makes us stupid"

    Does it really take a General to tell us that ? ;-))

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    1. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by rliden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Does removing PowerPoint make the presenter any smarter or the presentation they've done any clearer? Somehow I doubt having it drawn out on paper will make it any easier for the good general to understand. :p

      From TFA:

      It’s dangerous because it can create the illusion of understanding and the illusion of control,” General McMaster said in a telephone interview afterward. “Some problems in the world are not bullet-izable.”

      Commanders say that the slides impart less information than a five-page paper can hold, and that they relieve the briefer of the need to polish writing to convey an analytic, persuasive point.

      When I was serving in the US Navy I don't remember over-head presentations from photocopies of "well written briefs" being any more entertaining or any easier to understand. Sometimes the situation or mission is complicated. There isn't anything you can't write on paper that can't be put in a presentation or it's accompanying printed notes. This sounds a lot more like finger pointing due to failure or incompetence in the field than it does a software limitation. I find it ludicrous that the blame is shifted from incapable leadership and poor communication to a software tool (take special note of the third to the last paragraph). I also find it boggling that the US military can't figure out how to use both presentation and word processing tools at the same time. Is there a reason a five page report can't be written to accompany the presentation? And they wonder why upper level logistics are a mess.

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    2. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "PowerPoint makes us stupid"

      Does it really take a General to tell us that ? ;-))

      It might take a general to say the emperor has no clothes.

      Here's a pro tip: increase your font size to almost the headline size. Does your message not fit anymore? then delete it. Use words and figures instead.

      The problem with information packed slides is that the audience is momentarily given lots of information but having too little time to parse it won't recall it later. And they won't be able to concentrate on your words either. instead put details in slide notes and include those on a printed out version.

      There is one exception to this rule: the military quad chart. But quad charts are intentionally dense because you are supposed to linger on them for a long long time.

      One more thing: Always label the axes on a plot dammit. and then always tell people in words what the axes are BEFORE you tell them what the plot says.

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    3. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by llvllatrix · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if "PowerPoint makes us stupid" or if stupid people use PowerPoint to make themselves look smart. Do buzz words make us stupid?

    4. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by characterZer0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, PowerPoint does not make us stupid.

      PowerPoint exposes how stupid we already are. It shows that we have a swirling mess of semi-interconnected ideas and when we try to convey them, all we can produce is a swirling mess of semi-interconnected slides.

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    5. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some problems in the world are not bullet-izable.

      Damn, talk about a lesson this country badly needs to learn. Oh wait, he was talking about Power Point bullets...never mind.

    6. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by vxice · · Score: 1

      They actually teach this in the intro engineering classes. Ironically enough with a powerpoint presentation about the subject of make pp presentations. Unfortunately very few of the professors are required to learn this skill, often with the poor practices that you mention or worse.

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    7. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. Just like in the civilian world, input isn't necessarily either accepted or valued going up the chain. You have idealistic and apathetic middle management. What neither really understands is that the end result in either case is very much the same -- the idealists don't believe they're wasting time, and the apathetic bunch don't care if they are.

      That, and most of the PowerPoint presentations are more to show you "did something," than to actually perform a useful function. Very little real training or dissemination of information occurs during such events -- most of that is hands on in day to day work -- but it fulfills a checklist of required activities. PT - check. Cleaning - check. Maintenance - check. Training (via PowerPoint)- check.

    8. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by ls671 · · Score: 1

      > When I was serving in the US Navy I don't remember,,,

      Ok but; were you a General when in the Navy ?

      Although not clearly, you are apparently responding "Yes" to the question I asked in the GP. ;-))

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    9. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by sznupi · · Score: 1

      And at the same time the ease of making a basic Powerpoint presentation (together with "oh, shiny!" factor) makes stupid people confident enough to disseminate their ideas.

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    10. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PowerPoint doesn't make you stupid, but it gives stupid people the opportunity to bore the pants of the poor b*stards on the receiving end of a bad presentation. You can't blame the tool just because many people have no clue about how to develop a good presentation.

    11. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by UziBeatle · · Score: 3, Funny

      qoombah99 blurted: "One more thing: Always label the axes on a plot dammit. and then always tell people in words what the axes are BEFORE you tell them what the plot says."

        Is this the US military your advising? Do they still use a lot of axes?
          Sounds like good advice though. I'd hate for some grunt to confuse
          F Wood Axe for chopping wood.

          F Tosser Axe for wood shaving

          F Fire Axe (For hitting fire with)

          F Hurlbat (just to confuse em).

          F Danish Axe (Often found in upper end pastry shops)

          F Axis Axe (Used to prune excess axes down to a single axis)

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    12. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The, perhaps more accurate; but equally troubling, fact is that Powerpoint allows us to continue being stupid.

      When you go to write something, an essay or a brief or something of that sort, you generally start stupid. You have a dubiously coherent mass of questionably formed notions. It's ghastly. However, because of the way the essay format works, you will have a very hard time getting away with that. If you don't clean your ideas up, think things through, force them into some semblance of coherent order, your essay will be transparently worthless.

      Powerpoint, though, makes it a relatively simple and mechanical exercise(and let us not even mention the dreaded "autocontent wizard". The mere existence of such a monster should tell you everything you need to know about the epistemological framework in which Powerpoint is operated...) to transfer the confused morass of half-formed ideas that you start with straight to the page.

    13. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, PowerPoint allows us to conceal our stupidity by making half-baked semi-interconnected diagrams that other people can't understand. When people find they can't understand a presentation, my experience is that they conclude presentation is above their intelligence level, meaning that the presenter must be very smart indeed. Too few people realise that actually, if you can't understand the presentation, there's a good chance the presenter doesn't understand it either.

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    14. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Magic5Ball · · Score: 1

      In fairness, the graph pictured in NYT is only 10% of the size of Google's roadmap:

      http://www.freedomlab.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/google_whiteboard.jpg

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    15. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by e4g4 · · Score: 1
      My favorite quote from the article was:

      General McMaster said [...] “Some problems in the world are not bullet-izable.”

      Taken out of context, that seems to be quite an insightful thing for a general to say...

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    16. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      No, PowerPoint does not make us stupid.

      PowerPoint exposes how stupid we already are. It shows that we have a swirling mess of semi-interconnected ideas and when we try to convey them, all we can produce is a swirling mess of semi-interconnected slides.

      While PowerPoint does not make us stupid; how we use it does. We distill key points into a mess of bullet points, spend far to much time on making it pretty; having multiple layers of reviewers who make "happy to glad" changes; and then assume it imparts information. In short, we've forgotten how to brief information. I served before and during, PowerPoint, and briefings were way different BP. We seem to spend more time on the medium (PowerPoint) than the message. I yearn for the days when you hand drew slides and then actually explained what you meant. No one came in and said "Let's use 16 point MT Sans Crap font there and change the background shade. No, not that shade, another shade. BTW - is that font available in a serif?"

      PP has it place, but I agree with Tufte - it is not really good at imparting information

      Now, get off my lawn.

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    17. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's some sort of contra-corollary to the Dunning-Kruger effect. Quick, to the research desk, I must publish! *starts up Powerpoint*

    18. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but Google is trying to take over the world, not just Afghanistan, which is way less that 10% of the landmass of Earth.

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    19. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote that.

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    20. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      That's great, but the plural of "axis" is "axes", you illiterate fuck. (I mean that with all due respect)

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    21. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by MooUK · · Score: 1

      I suspect he knew that, from the description of the sixth axe.

    22. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Hizonner · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, no.

      "Clean" slides are at least as dangerous as cluttered ones.

      If your message does not fit on a slide, then don't use a fucking slide.

      Some things are too complex to be reduced to bullets. The answer to that is not to bury the complexity in supplemental material that nobody will ever read. All that does is to create the illusion of comprehension... more dangerous than knowing that you don't have a clue. If you know you don't know, you'll either find out, or you'll let somebody else deal with the problem. If you think the problem is simple, but it's not, you'll make stupid decisions.

      Don't put up a bunch of "keywords" on a screen to hypnotize the audience. SPEAK to the audience. Flash keywords if you must, but don't leave a slide up there for people to read while they miss the thread of what you're saying, or forget to think about anything that doesn't happen to have fit into the five available lines. And leave yourself some flexibility to respond when they're not getting it, instead of blindly continuing down the track your slides set for you.

      Don't waste a lot of time making pretty slides, either. They're basically distracting and misleading. In fact, maybe you should write those keywords on a blackboard.

      Is all your information in your slides? Can you say, with a straight face, "read my slides and you'll understand"? Then that's not a presentation. That's what we used to call a "document". Use a document preparation tool for that, not a presentation tool.

      Is it too complicated to say in a presentation? Then a document is indeed right for you. Write one. Let people read it. MAKE them read it; don't give them a simplified spoon-fed version that produces false understanding. That's right, people need to actually read and write real text. Can't read and write? Sorry, you don't belong here.

      Sure, use charts and graphs. That's what PowerPoint is actually good for. Make sure your analysis and data presentation are respectable, though... you can easily create a graph that gives a thoroughly wrong impression of what's important.

      And that Afghanistan slide actually makes a great point. It says "This is complicated, you idiots. Don't knee-jerk". That's a slide I might actually use.

    23. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by chainsaw1 · · Score: 1

      That doesn't work when you have a corporate policy of "I'll print the slides and read them later". This is especially bad when the highest levels that need the information presented are the ones not in attendance. If you just list a bunch of figures, they won't understand and your point / request / argument will get tossed out. Thus, the audience for a presentation has changed to those who aren't even there...

      This is where the problem lies. A presentation is meant to be a presentation, not a Picture Book With Big Words. Anyone who uses the slides as a reduced-format report is the cause of the current issues (and subsequent lack or presenting skills in the workforce).

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    24. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by arachnoprobe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with information packed slides is that the audience is momentarily given lots of information but having too little time to parse it won't recall it later.

      Actually, most presentators use that as a FEATURE: The non-understanding of the basic facts caused by intentional information overload guarantees, that there are no valid refutations in the discussions phase, which makes for an easy pitch (of mostly bad ideas).

    25. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by plopez · · Score: 1

      *"One more thing: Always label the axes on a plot dammit."*

      And don't forget to use units. Consistent units. Or that a quantity is unitless. And point out any differences in scale, e.g. graph a is liters per hour while graph b shows cubic meters per day.

      Just a few observations I've made.

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    26. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PowerPoint is only a tool to help one conveying information to people in an efficient manner and it's helpful if used correctly, in combination with other tools/methods. It can make a good presentation better but it's no silver-bullet.

    27. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >PowerPoint exposes how stupid we already are.

      Imagine for a moment that powerpoint didn't exist, but instead an OSS tool similar to it did. Geeks would sing its praises. Geeks would be using it and the output would fall within what most geeks are capable of doing (better than average).

      Powerpoint, on the other hand, is used by business types. Pretty much anyone with an office job. So the output would be typical of what these people were capable of.

      Its the users, not the tool.

      This reminds of me an article I read about how so many people have a positive emotional association with UPS, as compared to Fedex or the Post office. Turns out that important things like legal papers, bills, etc come via fedex and USPS. Things like packages from Amazon typically come from UPS. So people associate UPS with the bringing of toys and fedex/usps as the bringing of grownup things. In the end they're all package delivery.

    28. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by sco08y · · Score: 1

      Ok but; were you a General when in the Navy ?

      The Navy has Admirals, not Generals.

    29. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by snarkh · · Score: 2, Funny

      You have a dubiously coherent mass of questionably formed notions. It's ghastly. However, because of the way the essay format works, you will have a very hard time getting away with that.

      Hard for you, perhaps, but I manage just fine.

    30. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by sco08y · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My experience is mostly company level / lower enlisted stuff, especially the "death by powerpoint" training slides.

      TRADOC (training and doctrine command) consistently assumes that people have no interest in learning how things work and tries to break everything into endless lists of steps.

      For example, in Airborne school, they explained preparing to land like so:

      If you are moving forward, pull the rear set of risers to your chest. If you are moving to the left, pull the right set of risers to your chest. If you are moving to the right, pull the left set of risers to your chest. If you are moving backwards, pull the front set of risers to your chest.

      What's going on is you pull the risers in the direction you want to go, and your goal is to slow down so you don't get dragged all over the DZ, but they won't simply *say* that even when it's far, far simpler.

      Everything is itemized as task, conditions, standards. Everything is a list of steps to memorize, even if there are ten lists with just one thing different between the lists. (If you're curious what they look like, google Soldier's Manual of Common Tasks.)

      There are, in fairness, a large number of very well written field manuals. However, most of my experience with training has been from these damned lists of tasks or, worst of all, powerpoint slides generated from lists of tasks; field manuals seem to be something you read on your own time.

      What's happened, I think, is that TRADOC is a huge bureaucracy, and they are more concerned with getting everything into a standard format than with the material being useful. They just can't figure out how to produce a large body of coherent thought, and have fallen back on endless checklists and outlines.

    31. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Artifakt · · Score: 1

      Powerpoint is simple to use to pretty up information, harder to use to present it well. Doesn't putting a professional looking wrapper on data make it harder to challenge? There's people who are genuinely thinking a problem is simple, and there's people dissembling, afraid to admit they don't understand and overcompensating by saying it's simple or obvious.
            I'm imagining an analogy with a book. Maybe in one case, the information is in manuscript, and in the other, the same information is in a nice font, on good acid-free paper, between leather bound boards. There's meta-information there - somebody already thought the manuscript was good, better than the 90% plus of manuscripts they rejected, and invested considerably in packaging it to last and be protected. That somebody had resources which make them seem more reliable than the average source - after all, they couldn't afford to spend that money paying a cover artist to design a dust jacket, if they weren't usually right in picking manuscripts.
            If nobody sees the information until it's been converted to powerpoint slides, then nobody considers whether there are flaws in the information until it already has a certain momentum for acceptance built up.
            The Afghanistan slide is a case in point. By showing the Afghan Economy as a whole at one scale, and the opium growing part of the economy in a separate section, at a very different scale, it's fundamentally misleading. Read as presented, the slide is saying that it would be much easier to win the Afghan side of the drug war than it is to win our own domestic drug war, we can do it without winning in the USA first, we must do it first if we are to win the other trivial little war against the Taliban, but we will win the drug war first by winning the other war firster, so we can convert the Afghan military to a massive million man drug interdiction force, which won't in turn have any negative consequences for the stability of the region.
            If some of the people viewing that slide had been the ones who sat down and decided how big the opium part of the Afghan economy was compared to the rest, and how to present that relationship accurately, they might have understood the final slide as it would have been. They would have upped font sizes in some places, drawn some new arrows, and changed the weight of a lot of existing arrows, at the very least. This assumes there aren't a lot of people who really do understand, but want the slide to be deliberately misleading to the ones who don't, of course.

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    32. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by ls671 · · Score: 1

      > The Navy has Admirals, not Generals.

      Hehe, you must be right I guess.

      To my defense, that Marines/Navy thing in the US has always confused a bit I guess.

      Marine definition:
        1.
      a. A soldier serving on a ship or at a naval installation.
      b. Marine A member of the U.S. Marine Corps.

      And guess what, the US Marine Corps has generals:

      "In the U.S. Marine Corps, general is the highest rank of commissioned officer. "

      http://usmilitary.about.com/od/marines/a/usmcgen.htm

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    33. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Edzor · · Score: 1

      such as Beamer?

    34. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by lennier · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I suspect I'd do really poorly in the military for that reason - I've never been able to cope well with memorising arbitrary lists. My brain just isn't large enough. Understanding the rules underneath lists is a much simpler 'cheat' and that's what I ended up doing in school.

      How do people manage to cope with all those endless lists? Like the management books with their 'X habits of successful Ys' and 'Z steps to Q'. How do you know which list to apply when? It'd drive me crazy.

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    35. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by sco08y · · Score: 1

      How do people manage to cope with all those endless lists?

      You ignore the lists and do the actual training hands on. Unfortunately, a lot of guys who never went to college assume that "book learning" is all about rote memorization.

    36. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by sco08y · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was just tweaking you.

      To my defense, that Marines/Navy thing in the US has always confused a bit I guess.

      Heh... if you ever want to live dangerously, here are some arguments, pro and con, as to Marines being part of the Navy.

      The USMC is part of the Department of the Navy, and the framers were certainly thinking of them (then called the Continental Marines) when they wrote "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States...". So all their paperwork is Dept of Navy, and they get paid by the Dept of Navy. And it's not like they couldn't have their own department, the Air Force gets its own. (It used to be a branch of the Army.) And they wear the same cool Navy hats, which are way better than the Army hats.

      Why you'll lose the argument: in the Pentagon, the Marine Corps Commandant is coequal to the Chief of Naval Operations in the Joint Chiefs of Staff. By the big test of "can I tell this guy what to do," the Marines are not part of the Navy. And, obviously, they don't do the same training, have the same mission, etc, etc.

    37. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My presentation philosophy: the presentation is NOT the powerpoint document. It's me talking in a way that makes a point.

      The powerpoint is there to give them something more interesting to look at than me, to help them keep track of what point we're on, and sometimes to provide an illustration or diagram.

      If I have to alter what I'm going to say so it can fit powerpoint slides, I'll just hand out a stack of bumperstickers.

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    38. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      Is it too complicated to say in a presentation? Then a document is indeed right for you. Write one. Let people read it. MAKE them read it; don't give them a simplified spoon-fed version that produces false understanding. That's right, people need to actually read and write real text. Can't read and write? Sorry, you don't belong here.

      In science, presentations are to motivate people to read the paper. I.e. what does it mean/help/effect instead of how does it work.

      All these tips are nice, but there is not one right way to do a presentation.

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    39. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by grrrl · · Score: 1

      Is this not an instance where you should type out your presentation in the speaker notes and have those printed alongside each slide for the "take home" version? ie a report with pictures, rather than pictures of your report. That way you can still have effective slides and an effective presentation to those in attendance, and have adequate information for those who missed out. Or are you just too lazy to write the report, even though you are effectively giving it as a presentation?

    40. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by chainsaw1 · · Score: 1

      No, for 3 reasons:

      -The notes don't print automatically, and anyone wanting to just read the slides probably won't notice the notes

      -The slides / notes and the report sections may not break down in the same manner, and printing the notes basically becomes printing the report. If this is necessary, wouldn't it be easier to just read the actual report in the first place?

      -Printing the notes doesn't capture any of the discussion that occurs during a presentation. That information is inherently lost on whoever is not in attendance. Even with minuets, there is always lost data by not attending.

      In all of these scenario's, I do not believe it is appropriate to bundle the presenter with the burden of extra effort for those who could not exert the effort to be there. If those who are not there are the most important, then the presentation should not be held.

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    41. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      area. not mass.

      stupid flanders.

    42. Re:PowerPoint makes us stupid by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I just felt like cursing. Foul mood for some reason.

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  2. "PowerPoint makes us stupid," by uncanny · · Score: 1

    I think in this case, the chicken (being stupid) came first

  3. I don't know if this is true by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 4, Funny

    but it sure would be great if this were the beginning of the end of unnecessary PowerPoint presentations. I can't think of many times when I saw one that was actually helpful.

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    1. Re:I don't know if this is true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... unnecessary PowerPoint ...

      Good sir, you repeat yourself.

    2. Re:I don't know if this is true by nomadic · · Score: 1

      In the legal field powerpoint slides can be incredibly useful when presenting to juries, when you want to simplify/clarify (or alternately, confuse).

    3. Re:I don't know if this is true by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      In the legal field powerpoint slides can be incredibly useful when presenting to juries, when you want to simplify/clarify (or alternately, confuse).

      I believe you, but in that case (no pun intended) it's not an unnecessary presentation. I was referring to the typical corporate setting where someone uses PowerPoint mainly because he/she can without regard to whether it adds anything to what is being said.

      On the other hand, I have made only one PP presentation in my life, but it was a good one. It was on typography, given to a group of architects and used it only to show graphic illustrations of why the way they were using type was wrong. PP was perfect for that.

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    4. Re:I don't know if this is true by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      Good sir, you repeat yourself.

      A good point. Stamp out redundancy and do away with it.

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    5. Re:I don't know if this is true by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      There are necessary Powerpoint presentations? When did MS do that complete rewrite? ;)

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    6. Re:I don't know if this is true by bigdanmoody · · Score: 1

      I don't know about that. I was on a jury a few weeks ago, and when the prosecution pulled out the PowerPoint presentation, to me it felt incredibly patronizing. We had a pretty sharp group of jurors, and we all felt the prosecutor would have made her case much stronger by cutting the PowerPoint and instead providing more evidence to support her claims.

  4. Afghanistan victory strategy by Eunuchswear · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. bomb Taliban positions with solar powered laptops running Windows7 with powerpoint installed
    2. Victory
    3. ...
    4. Experience horrible unplanned of blow-back.

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    1. Re:Afghanistan victory strategy by llvllatrix · · Score: 1

      I thought torture was against the Geneva Convention.

    2. Re:Afghanistan victory strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3. Cringe in horror as they format and install GNU Linux with Open Source Impress, Firefox, and other free as in beer goodies. Oh yeah,almost forgot, the Taliban doesn't like free(dom) and doesn't like beer.

    3. Re:Afghanistan victory strategy by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      You forgot, the Geneva convention doesn't apply to non-Americans. Come to think of it it doesn't apply to Americans either.

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    4. Re:Afghanistan victory strategy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunely torture is not allowed according to Geneva conventions, that rules out any use of M$FT software.

  5. Knowledge Limited by SendBot · · Score: 4, Funny

    That spaghetti slide has a copyright notice at the bottom, "PA Knowledge Limited 2009"

    There must be a joke about oxymorons and military intelligence in here somewhere.

    1. Re:Knowledge Limited by mschaffer · · Score: 1

      Glad to see that the US military needs to outsource to foreign think think tanks. It speaks volumes.

    2. Re:Knowledge Limited by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Quick google search brings up a consulting firm. I wonder how many bobs they have, and if people get fired in the army arbitrarily on their recommendations.

      And why is the military spending money on consultants?

    3. Re:Knowledge Limited by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      Quick google search brings up a consulting firm. I wonder how many bobs they have

      You care about the number?

      For me it's more about size and shape.

    4. Re:Knowledge Limited by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Uuum, that slide would be very easy to understand. If someone there would know what a graph is, and how to handle it.
      First that thing lacks any edge descriptions. (I’m guessing they are “next step” actions.)
      Because if you’d have those, you could simply do the following:
      1. “Grab” a starting node related to the question you are asking.
      2. Let the rest of the nodes “hang down” from it by the property (=edge type) that you are interested in. (Or if the edge type has a concrete direction, also up from it.)
      3. For all edges that are of a type that is uninteresting for answering your question: Cut them and make them references. If they are irrelevant, you can also filter the graph. Repeat until you are left with a normal tree.

      Now you can walk the graph to answer a part of your question. And at will “grab” a node and choose another property to order the graph by.

      I found this extremely useful for complex graphs.

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    5. Re:Knowledge Limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hasse graph might have been a better choice there.

    6. Re:Knowledge Limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not talking about B_attery O_perated B_oyfriend_s, He talking about the efficiency experts from the movie Office Space. The Bob's who fired the productive workers, stopped paying the guy who was fired years ago but didn't leave, and promoted the person who admitted to slacking off, playing tetris, and only being productive a few minutes a day to mid level management.

    7. Re:Knowledge Limited by MozeeToby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Am I the only one to realize that the 'Spaghetti slide' is supposed to be unintelligible? The presentation in question was about how complex a modern, asymmetrical war can be. Each bubble is a single aspect, and each edge is a relationship between two aspects. It's meant to show the overwhelming complexity of the war in Afghanistan, and it does a damn good job of doing that.

    8. Re:Knowledge Limited by ELitwin · · Score: 1

      And that graphic itself was not created in PowerPoint (in all likelihood). I hate PowerPoint as much as the next guy, but PowerPoint has nothing to do with the absurdity of that slide.

    9. Re:Knowledge Limited by snarkh · · Score: 1

      Now you see how Powerpoint makes us stupid?

    10. Re:Knowledge Limited by madnis · · Score: 1

      Military intelligence, two words combined that can't make sense?

    11. Re:Knowledge Limited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one to realize that the 'Spaghetti slide' is supposed to be unintelligible? The presentation in question was about how complex a modern, asymmetrical war can be. Each bubble is a single aspect, and each edge is a relationship between two aspects. It's meant to show the overwhelming complexity of the war in Afghanistan, and it does a damn good job of doing that.

      Nope, you're not the only one -- I've spent the entire day trying to explain the concept of complex system dynamics. You know, the fact that they're *complex* and thus not easily understandable. Sigh.

    12. Re:Knowledge Limited by SendBot · · Score: 1

      I would argue it does a right shitty job of it because it's obviously manually constructed. It's extremely difficult to follow the lines as they are all the same thickness and color, and do not indicate direction until they're at the node. Plus, they're all right next to each other and many of them are obscured (notice the transparency) by the nodes they pass THROUGH, not around.

      An interactive map of this would be a lot more helpful with very minor modifications. Just hovering over a node and having all its connecting lines highlight would make it ten times easier to follow.

      Don't even get me started on how tedious all the manual construction of this diagram makes it a poorly maintainable document.

    13. Re:Knowledge Limited by Festeron · · Score: 1

      No, you're not the only one.

      Microsoft produced a PowerPoint slide along the same lines, listing the new features in SQL Server 2005 a while back. They had to use a 9 point font to get them all onto the same slide. [I believe they referred to SQL 2k5 as a "9 point release" because of this] Again, the point was "Wow - look at all the new features" and certainly not "Let's go through this list of new features one at a time".

      I see that the slide is available as a .JPG image. Can anyone point me to an actual .PPT file with this slide? I suspect not.

  6. best line of TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Senior officers say the program does come in handy when the goal is not imparting information, as in briefings for reporters.

    1. Re:best line of TFA by EdIII · · Score: 1

      No...... The best line of TFA was when they said some junior officers were referred to as, "PowerPoint Rangers".

  7. NASA / Ed Tufte reference by blakelarson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A long essay on the evils of PowerPoint by the man, Ed Tufte, regarding the shuttle explosions: http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001yB&topic_id=1

    1. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by vlm · · Score: 2

      Its on his posters page, but "The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within" is 32 pages of joy.

      http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/posters

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    2. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see a lot of ad hominem and a lot of Tufte ranting on about how everything should be in pamphlet form instead.

      Which is great and all, but that doesn't work for an oral presentation. Instead he's giving a standard Linux answer to the question of how to best present information orally -- you don't need to do that. Which is wonderful, and totally useless advice.

    3. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by fermion · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Like any technology, the problem is not the technology but that the technology allows unskilled persons to do work previously done by skilled persons. It is not surprising that the results tend to be of low quality. For instance, as much as we like WYSIG editing, it unleashed a whole bunch of crap on the world. OTOH, it allowed a lot of creativity to be unfurled that otherwise would have been hidden by the cost of entry.

      For those who do not know, Ed Tufte writes books about how to display information so that it is attractive and easy to understand. His books are fabulous and should be read by anyone who puts information in front of people. We can't all be experts, but we should try not be incompetent.

      When I see a slide like the ones being discussed, I see simply too much information. I often make that mistake as well. A slide is a few bits of information. It is not there to impress people with how much you know. It should be there to help them know what you know. It should not be there to show that you know how to use a graphviz.

      I pretty much did not do presentation until I started to use Keynote. The animations were easy to use so I could add and relate information on a slide. Equations can be built, substitutions made, chemicals reacted. This to me is useful. It is not just putting a piece of plastic on an overhead. It is using technology to present information in a way that is useful.

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    4. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I see a slide like the ones being discussed, I see simply too much information

      That isn't really the problem. Tufte oftens bemoans low density of data and that Powerpoint tends to guide presentors into that trap with its large fonts, bullet points, and cartoonish graphics.

      The spaghetti slide in the NYT article has around 200 word groups with 13 of them in larger typeface than the others. These are grouped together in 7 colors. And there are many many lines that appear to illustrate one way relationships binding them all together. If you leave aside the lines that isn't exactly a whole lot of data. The Minard graphic Tufte likes to display at his courses has far more data represented and it illustrates complex relationships between sets of data without shitloads of lines all over the place.

      But in saying that Powerpoint makes us dumb Tufte is saying that some problems are indeed too complex to be reprsented in Powerpoint fashion. I don't see how that spaghetti diagram, even if it is the best way to represent that data which I doubt, could be comprehensible to anyone when projected on a screen, whether that was being done by Powerpoint or Keynote or whatever else. So they've taken an issue that is complex and forced it to fit the presentation rather than forced the presentation to fit the complexity of the issue.

      There are some very intelligent people in the military just as there were in NASA when the Challenger was launched. Rocket scientists even. It isn't that they can't comprehend the information in that spaghetti map or O-ring failure by temperature data, it is, as you point out, presenting it in a way that is useful to them.

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    5. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ed Tufte's real issue in the article is failing to recognize that the purpose of that presentation was not to inform the audience but to protect the presenter. That sort of thing is common in any organization whenever the topic is "how we screwed up".

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    6. Re:NASA / Ed Tufte reference by xelah · · Score: 1

      Like any technology, the problem is not the technology but that the technology allows unskilled persons to do work previously done by skilled persons. It is not surprising that the results tend to be of low quality.

      I'm not convinced. Unskilled presenters have given presentations for a long time. Powerpoint has allowed people to do them badly in a different way. How much is due to the technology guiding people to do things in a particular way and how much is down to the generally accepted way a Powerpoint presentation is done I'm not sure. What I HAVE noticed is that many Powerpoint presenters don't seem to draw a distinction between material intended for the audience and for the presenter. People used to speak from notes (or memory), with images intended for the audience on posters, or projected or handed out. Nowadays, speakers tend to use the slides for both. They're effectively displaying their notes to their audience and then standing in front of them and reading them out.

      Maybe Powerpoint should (or does it? I don't really use it) allow/encourage presenters to split the material in two - one display for the speaker, another for the audience. You should talk FROM your notes ABOUT what's displayed, and if you're not talking about something visual your projector should be blank.

  8. Not bullet-izable by myrrdyn · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the article:

    General McMaster said in a telephone interview afterward. “Some problems in the world are not bullet-izable.”

    Oh, man... the irony

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    1. Re:Not bullet-izable by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, some require rockets.

    2. Re:Not bullet-izable by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ... Thomas X. Hammes, a retired Marine colonel, whose title, "Dumb-Dumb Bullets," underscored criticism of fuzzy bullet points; "accelerate the introduction of new weapons," for instance, does not actually say who should do so.

      That's not a weakness of powerpoint, it's a weakness of the presenter.
      I've given powerpoint presentations, but they were just the front end of a much deeper paper.
      The way I learned to use powerpoint was that it should provide enough information for people to know whether or not they want to read your full paper.

      Lt. Gen. David D. McKiernan, who led the allied ground forces in the 2003 invasion of Iraq, grew frustrated when he could not get Gen. Tommy R. Franks, the commander at the time of American forces in the Persian Gulf region, to issue orders that stated explicitly how he wanted the invasion conducted, and why. Instead, General Franks just passed on to General McKiernan the vague PowerPoint slides that he had already shown to Donald H. Rumsfeld, the defense secretary at the time.

      Holy. Farking. Shit.
      I imagine this is what the presentation looked like:

      • Shock and Awe
      • ???
      • Oil Revenue
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    3. Re:Not bullet-izable by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      The problem is that Powerpoint encourages a decision making process based entirely on the content of the slides, rather then an examination of the information. Going to a PowerPoint presentation leaves you with enough knowledge to be dangerous.

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    4. Re:Not bullet-izable by wiredlogic · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or, in close quarters, a dagger.

      Someday /. will support Unicode. In the meantime...

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    5. Re:Not bullet-izable by Hillgiant · · Score: 1

      Surgery, for example.

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    6. Re:Not bullet-izable by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      But this one requires nuking from orbit. It’s the only way to be safe! ;)

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    7. Re:Not bullet-izable by lennier · · Score: 1

      Oh, man... the irony

      Not so much irony as steel jacket-y.

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  9. To Give The Devil His Due... by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think it is fair to blame this directly on Microsoft. There are, after all, other programs available today that allow you to make terrible presentations. If the talk had been done instead in Apple Keynote, OpenOffice, or any other program, it still would have been possible to make massive, mind-numbing, information-lacking, slides.

    For that matter, I'm pretty sure the same was possible before we started doing this with software - it was certainly possible with film slides as well.

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    1. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by Nadaka · · Score: 2, Funny

      And don't forget those poster sized flip books that were all the rage in the 80's and 90's before digital projectors became commonplace.

    2. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by SendBot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think you're missing the point. The concern is with the military having institutionalized an ineffective means of intercommunication, using specifically powerpoint as their tool of choice.

      Even if they didn't use PP, it would still be referred to by that name as people used to call all photocopies "xerox" and all inline skates "rollerblades".

      The process of "quickly" creating slides in the presentations made conducive by the software creates a false sense of understanding, and that is the issue.

    3. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by miggyb · · Score: 2, Funny

      Microsoft should absoultely take none of the blame for this. PowerPoint is a tool that does have it's useful purposes sometimes. For example, it's absolutely great for printing shipping labels or making last-minute valentine's day cards.

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    4. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by vxice · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And of course there is no way that something as simple as occupying a multi-ethnic country can so so complex as to not be understood by a 3rd grader. If something seems simple you most likely clearly don't understand it. I mean the space shuttle is just a shuttle that goes in space right? What is so complex that NASA needs billions to build one. I could buy a used school bus strap a rocket to it and be good to go.

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    5. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      One has to remember that Powerpoint (or, as you point out, similar tools...it's just that PP is by far the most popular one) is not really used, not really meant to help in passing knowledge or information.

      No, is is used by incompetent speakers to hide behind their slides. Any moron feels he can make a nice presentation, when using Powerpoint. But this tool didn't really change that presentations require not only somebody bright, but also with a talent and/or training of a public speaker.

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    6. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Funny

      For that matter, I'm pretty sure the same was possible before we started doing this with software - it was certainly possible with film slides as well.

      To err is human. But to really fuck things up you need a computer.

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    7. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by AnonymousClown · · Score: 1

      And don't forget those poster sized flip books that were all the rage in the 80's and 90's before digital projectors became commonplace.

      Oh Yeah! That's right! I forgot about those! Multicolored markers, drawing horrible diagrams, flipping pages when you fill one up, knocking the easel over when walking around it, blaming slurred speech on markers when it really was the martinis at lunch..... I miss those days!

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    8. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by wtfamidoinghere · · Score: 1

      Well, that's the problem of being THE tool for presentations and aggressively market it like that. You don't make a presentation using a computer, you make a "Powerpoint". So, it's only to be expected that when shit hits the fan, it's not computer-based presentations that get it, it's PowerPoint.

    9. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by foobsr · · Score: 1

      If the talk had been done instead in Apple Keynote, OpenOffice, or any other program, it still would have been possible to make massive, mind-numbing, information-lacking, slides.

      Wikipedia, history of "PowerPoint": "The original version of this program was created by Dennis Austin and Thomas Rudkin. Originally designed for the Macintosh computer, the initial release was called "Presenter". In 1987, it was renamed to "PowerPoint" due to problems with trademarks, the idea for the name coming from Robert Gaskins. In August of the same year, Forethought was bought by Microsoft for $14 million USD ($26.8 million in present-day terms), and became Microsoft's Graphics Business Unit, which continued to further develop the software."

      Who would have thought? I did not know before.

      CC.

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    10. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by pz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't think it is fair to blame this directly on Microsoft. There are, after all, other programs available today that allow you to make terrible presentations. If the talk had been done instead in Apple Keynote, OpenOffice, or any other program, it still would have been possible to make massive, mind-numbing, information-lacking, slides.

      For that matter, I'm pretty sure the same was possible before we started doing this with software - it was certainly possible with film slides as well.

      The huge difference was that with film slides -- at least the ones you had to expose with a 35mm camera, or the ones you drew up by hand -- was that the author's actual or perceived difficulty or cost was a damping factor. It make the authors think before making a presentation (anyone other than me remember how expensive a box of overhead sheets were?), and carefully consider what to say and how to say it.

      With everything computerized, it's too easy to run off at the mouth, as it were, because the incremental cost of doing so isn't another overpriced sheet of blank acetate and the time to hand-draw the slide, but essentially zero. (You see the same thing on social media sites where photo albums comprised of two dozen nearly, but not quite, identical photos are commonplace.) There is no external cost function forcing the author to self-edit, and we, as a society, have not yet developed the educational infrastructure to promote editorial awareness. Seriously, editing --- the art of reducing excesses of source material into a small, coherent presentation --- is hard and should be taught starting in secondary school. Witness this Slashdot article, we as a society are starting, slowly to understand the problem exists, and, hopefully, we'll begin to work to fixing it.

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    11. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      It's not fault of Microsoft, and PowerPoint could be (and sometimes is) used to create good presentations. We have a deeper problem than just a piece of software, PowerPoint is the most obvious simptom.

      Altough, before computers become mainstream, people didn't do useless presentations nearly as often as they do now. By that time it was hard work to create one. That doesn't mean that we didn't have the problem of people disgussing as smart by communicating informationless streams*, they just preferred other media.

      * I won't accept any responsibility by bots injuried while parsing that setence.

    12. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      In fewer words, PowerPoint is being used as a purely genericised term here.

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    13. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Precisely. I'm surprised that people aren't getting that.

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    14. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      Precisely. I'm surprised that people aren't getting that.

      Perhaps a short presentation in OO.o Impress is needed to get your point across.

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    15. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      I may have been overly vague in my OP. When I saw the summary on the front page it was already tagged under "Microsoft". My comment was primarily intended to point out that it wasn't intrinsically the fault of Microsoft that someone managed to create an extremely bad presentation slide.

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    16. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by jschen · · Score: 1

      When digging through some old floppies for my parents' Mac SE, I came across a double density floppy containing an early version of Microsoft PowerPoint. Out of sheer curiosity, I decided to check it out. The floppy contained Mac OS (in case you had no hard drive and needed to boot off of it) and MS PowerPoint. The program happily booted on a computer with a 8 MHz Motorola 68000 and 1 MB of RAM. The interface was relatively simple, but readily recognizable as the PowerPoint that we all know and love/hate today.

    17. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by Gilmoure · · Score: 1

      Microsoft released the first version of Excel for the Mac in 1985, and the first Windows version (numbered 2.05 to line up with the Mac and bundled with a run-time Windows environment) in November 1987. --Wikipedia

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    18. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, PowerPoint is clearly being genericized here. If I recall, Tufte's rant also talked about the general idea of formulaic slides, not PowerPoint specifically.

    19. Re:To Give The Devil His Due... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahahaha, so now it's Microsoft's fault for making software that is too cheap to operate? Man, MS can't win! ;)

  10. There's not really a better alternative by Jeian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When I was in USAF officer training, all the trainees were required to give several briefings throughout the program. We were told that we could use any visual aids we wanted (to include whiteboard, PowerPoint or... who knows.)

    All 144 of us used PowerPoint, simply because it was the easiest way to complement what you were talking about.

    1. Re:There's not really a better alternative by lwsimon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But was it the best way?

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    2. Re:There's not really a better alternative by spauldo · · Score: 1

      I wondered why every time an officer wanted to make an announcement he'd send a powerpoint presentation via email.

      I started to ignore them eventually. Do you really need a powerpoint presentation embedded in email to say "Our football team is playing against 18MSS today at 5, come support our team"?

      Powerpoint has a purpose and is useful, but for some reason USAF officers go overboard with it.

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    3. Re:There's not really a better alternative by DWRECK18 · · Score: 1

      I think this all goes back to the speaker. I have taken many public speaking courses and have done several business plan presentations. Every presentation I have done since High School I have used PP. The problem is not the software so much as it is the speaker. I have seen too many people attempt to make their PP Presentations extravagent and have so many transitions and flying images and words that it becomes to hard to concentrate on what is going on. The bad part is, it is the people who are scared to talk in public and want to take the attention away from them and onto the PP slides that do this. I have been able to easily give public presentations and convey my point only to have PP so that my audience knew exactly what they were supposed to be understanding. PP should be used like a certification book. The important topics that you are supposed to get out of the presentation are bullet points in the beginning and then you will further explain and go more in depth about those topics. As I am also in the military I see more and more PP presentations and whomever has created them does not get their point across very well do to all the animation. Such as the if you just give a PP Presentation to someone and say hey thats my plan, now if the PP presentation was done properly, how does this help anyone since you are supposed to be PRESENTING it in front of people.

    4. Re:There's not really a better alternative by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      All 144 of us used PowerPoint, simply because it was the easiest way to complement what you were talking about.

      I've never heard PowerPoint being described as "the easiest way" to do anything other than give yourself a brain aneurysm. If you honestly felt it was the easiest way to complement your presentations, than I shudder to think what the other options were...

    5. Re:There's not really a better alternative by Jahava · · Score: 4, Informative

      But was it the best way?

      It really depends. PowerPoint (and presentation applications in general) offer a very flexible and powerful method for imparting information. You can collect disparate pieces of information together, present it in numerous forms (text, pictures, animations, etc.), and emphasize and accent, among other things. These are all very useful things to do for a variety of situations. The issue with PowerPoint (and office software in general) is the misconceived perception that it should be used by everybody. Some people know how to present, and others do not. Those who do not will make a mess out of anything, including presentation software.

      With great power comes great responsibility -- Spider Man

      Presentation applications, like any other flexible development environment, carry with them a responsibility that it be used intelligently and purposefully. The ability to display all sorts of information also increases the overall potential complexity of the information. The same generic set of guidelines applies, just like it always has, be it with books, technical papers, charts, graphics, code comments, or any other medium:

      • Know your audience - One single presentation cannot effectively address an audience with a wide variety of purposes and backgrounds. The presentation cannot be broken down into chunks that are interesting to only one group at a time. It's a performance, and it should be performed to a captivated audience. It's very easy to cram too much stuff into a single presentation, when multiple targeted presentations would have been effective and clear.
      • Use the tool appropriately - A presentation isn't a book club. Anybody can read text, and chances are most of then can read it faster than you can speak it. The presentation software should complement an overall presentation, providing supplemental points, overviews, summaries, accents, and emphasis. If you are going to read the slides verbatim, write a document. Furthermore, slides are not meant to be lingered on. Your audience cannot be expected to stare at a projection for 30 minutes to absorb things, nor should you ask that of them. If such deep supplemental material is needed for your presentation, distribute it beforehand or offer printouts so the audience can take it at their own pace.
      • Be purposeful - Every element of a presentation should have a purpose. Additional effects are (minimally) distracting and (potentially) disruptive to your overall mission of imparting information. If a slide transition doesn't increase the clarity of your message, it should not be there.
      • etc...

      ... I could go on, but you get the point. When used correctly, presentation software can be very powerful and useful. There is no inherent aspect of it that dumbs down presentations or people. The compulsion to "mutilate data" is something that only stems from a lack of understanding of how to present that data in the first place. Give an stupid person a tool, and he'll use it stupidly.

    6. Re:There's not really a better alternative by Jeian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, put it this way.

      If I stand in front of a room full of people and talk for 7 minutes, with no outline or visual aids, people's attention is going to drift. (It may do that anyway, but I'm not going to help it along. :P) In my experience, as a listener, there's no organization to a stream of words coming at you - you have to break down and organize the message on your own, which provides additional strain on the listener, and many people would rather just think about something else. By providing a visual representation of the points you're discussing, a listener can associate the details of what you're saying with the listed main point. Also, you can throw related graphics up to keep the audience's interest.

      Plus, it helps keep you on-track as a speaker.

    7. Re:There's not really a better alternative by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

      And that is exactly the problem with powerpoints - they hook up listeners to fragmented visual flow. If you can't keep their attention without that aid, then your presentation most likely sucks anyway and you shouldn't be giving it, you shouldn't be hiding behind it to mask how poor of a speaker you are.

      ("it helps keep you on-track as a speaker" tells everything about who really benefits from powerpoint)

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    8. Re:There's not really a better alternative by dargaud · · Score: 1

      I recently gave a technical presentation for a raise. I listened to the others through the doors and they had full powerpoint bullshit marvels with completely irrelevant drivel. I loath ppt, so I had one PNG image, with 20 words and 30 arrows between then which I commented at length (it described the process of creating an embedded system OS). I'm the only one who didn't get the raise. Next year you bet there'll be Xmas trees with falling snow, animated arrows with sound effect of squirrels running over them and the whole 9 yard.

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    9. Re:There's not really a better alternative by lazarusdishwasher · · Score: 1

      All 144 of us used PowerPoint, simply because it was the easiest way to complement what you were talking about.

      But was it the best way?

      If it was not the best way for all concerned to give the briefing, would that be considered a gross misuse of PowerPoint?

    10. Re:There's not really a better alternative by Tom · · Score: 1

      And I'm pretty sure that at least 120 of them sucked.

      The problem with Powerpoint is exactly that it makes it so easy - it's like giving a 747 with toy-plane controls to everyone on the block. Sure it makes it damn easy for everyone to fly. And no one who has any sanity left wants to be within 100 miles of there. Quite similar to Powerpoint, really.

      Microsoft is good at stuff like that. Word makes it so easy to write documents from letters to books. And who notices that the typesetting, default fonts, layout and pretty much everything else sucks?

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    11. Re:There's not really a better alternative by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Meaningless question.

      People will use the EASIEST.

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  11. I don't know... by wigaloo · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...if PowerPoint makes you stupid, but I sure feel dumber having read that article.

    1. Re:I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MODS: This is insightful, not funny.

  12. And we are winning. . . by MarkvW · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How much does it cost us to kill one Taliban fighter?

    Spend the money on researching petroleum alternatives. In the Middle East we're simply building castles in the sand.

    1. Re:And we are winning. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      get a clue.

      Middle east oil is being used for two reasons.

      1 it's cheaper than US oil right now.
      2 strategy.. if we use up all the oil from the middle east first then we sit on a global advantage. the USA has a crapload of natural Oil reserves we are not using. Because it's better to use everyone else's resources before you use your own.

      drawback: China starts drilling their country all over the place and discovers a gigantor oil source that makes the middle east look like a puddle.

      P.S. we will always be at war, we will always have someone we want to kill. until you solve the fundamental problem with the human race and the fact that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely then it will never ever change.

      It's a military and economic strategy.. when we pass peak in the middle east, the USA will start to own the world.

      Muahahahahahaaaa.....

    2. Re:And we are winning. . . by AnonymousClown · · Score: 1

      How much does it cost us to kill one Taliban fighter?

      Less than $2 for the .223 round.

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    3. Re:And we are winning. . . by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Pfft, you can get .50's for $2 a pop (though special use .50's can be up to $10 per round). In military quantities it's more like $0.40 to $0.60 per round for .223 ammo.

      There are a lot more costs involved though, a fair assessment would be to take Taliban killed in a given period and divide that by the total military campaign costs for the same period. That will give you a good rough-estimate for the cost per Taliban.

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    4. Re:And we are winning. . . by ichthyoboy · · Score: 1

      Ok...who let Dubya use the computer again?

  13. The spaghetti slide. by ambrosen · · Score: 1

    It looks to me as if the spaghetti diagram would be pretty useful to work from if it were printed in poster format. As a slide, not so much.

  14. I am reminded of a famous anonymous quote... by Old+Sparky · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Powerpoint absorbs huge amounts of time that management, marketeers, and other suits might otherwise
      spend doing real harm."

    1. Re:I am reminded of a famous anonymous quote... by Boot10it · · Score: 1

      Thats true, I think most of time is taken up deciding what picture works best for each slide taken from MS's clip-art folder

  15. It's not powerpoint by mschaffer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Powerpoint isn't the problem, it's large organization management and people who don't want to (or don't have the time) to get into the details..

    This is the nature of "summing-up" and presenting to people that do not understand what is being spoon-fed to them.

    1. Re:It's not powerpoint by Mab_Mass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's worse than that. Putting together a powerpoint can give you the illusion that you've summarized and presented some issue clearly, when in fact, there is no content.

      At work, we hired a contractor to do some initial investigation into a scientific problem for us. After spending some time gathering data, they gave us a summary powerpoint as the final report. We pushed back hard, saying instead that we wanted a written summary.

      When it came back, the results had changed. By forcing them to actually put the summary of the data in writing, they were forced to spend longer thinking about the data, and through that analysis, they came up with a more accurate answer.

  16. marine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    makes you stupid. Don't blame powerpoint.

  17. Re:VERY VERY OLD NEWS by LordBmore · · Score: 1

    Post some news instead of drivel.

    You must be new here...

  18. powerpoint is the real enemy by alen · · Score: 1

    i left the army 10 year ago, but i remember powerpoint even then. officers would spend hours making slides for command and staff and other briefings. they would draw maps and all kinds of pictures from scratch. it was amazing to watch, and i'm glad i never had to do any of it

    1. Re:powerpoint is the real enemy by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      And do you know what they did before that?

      They spent days making projector slides, or days designing and printing large-format poster presentations.

      The problem hasn't changed, programs like PowerPoint just make us more efficient at wasting the time. It also makes it more accessible - now the threshold for the meetings that require visual presentations has been lowered dramatically, and the complexity of those presentations has increased dramatically.

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    2. Re:powerpoint is the real enemy by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      I was forced to create slides at a corporation. I pretty much lost that career over it, because I sucked at it, I hated doing the whole thing, to me it seemed like such a nonsense. I had no problem writing detailed analysis. I said I wanted to be a lab scientist, not a presentation clown. I was told if I was unwilling to get better at doing powerpoint presentations, I had no future there. I said then maybe I don't have a future there. And so it happened.

  19. Alternate Slide by kenp2002 · · Score: 0, Troll

    How about a single slide:

    "Kick Bad Guy's Asses"

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    1. Re:Alternate Slide by lwsimon · · Score: 1

      Who is this bad guy, with multiple asses?

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    2. Re:Alternate Slide by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      Who is this bad guy, with multiple asses?

      The Tali-buns.

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    3. Re:Alternate Slide by Lord+Pillage · · Score: 1

      Don't you see, he was making a Jeopardy type question.

      "I'll take Ayn Rand's Military for $600, Alex."

      "Kick Bad Guy's Asses"

      *beep* *beep* *beep* "Who is John Galt?"

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    4. Re:Alternate Slide by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      I'll take Anal Bum-cover for $400, Trebec.

      You're Mother's a whore!

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  20. I know that slide... by Morphine007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... and it has nothing to do with the complexity of the STRATEGY.... it's meant to give commanders an indication of the insanely-complex interrelations between various factors/actions. It's actually designed to represent the SITUATION in Afghanistan and to illustrate that simple notions of cause and effect aren't quite as simple as you'd like to believe. The slide is nothing more than a model of a very complex situation.... and it's actually a damned good one too.

    Check out the larger version of the picture and take a look at some of the headings.

    Look at the top right of the dark blue portion, where it says "targeted strikes", if you start following some of the arrows, you see (as you should expect) that targeted strikes will have an effect on "Insurgent Damages and Casualties" and that such an effect will also have an effect on "Fear of ANSF/Coalition Repercussions", which will also have an effect on "Insurgent recruiting/manpower".

    There's no description of strategy there, and if you sat down and tried to think about the repercussions of specific actions taken in an area filled with insurgents and a populace that is sometimes sympathetic and sometimes not sympathetic to both the coalition and insurgents, a lot of the interrelations would seem pretty obvious - ie. if you spend too much effort killing insurgents, you run the risk of increasing their ability to recruit, because the population will begin to fear and resent you.

    Don't look at the slide as a whole... just look for an entry on the slide that represents an action, and follow the arrows which show what the effects of that action are.

    1. Re:I know that slide... by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 1

      The arrows don't come with information showing what the effect is, or how it is produced. As a result it is an incomprehensible mess. By color-coding and adding titles over regions of the infographic, important stuff is obscured.

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    2. Re:I know that slide... by wcbsd · · Score: 1

      I use slides like this every once in a while, and they are, when used correctly, very effective. The point of a "spaghetti diagram" is to illustrate the complexity of a situation, not to explain it.

      Participants should see a slide like this and think "Good Lord, that's complicated!" when a speaker wants
      to drive home a point like "with better standards, we can simplify this a bit," or "this is far more complex than a simple slide can possibly convey, please be aware that I'm deliberately simplifying."

      It helps the audience appreciate the depth of a situation without requiring that they understand every nuance - something I find useful when dealing with executives or nontechnical folks, and something I'd guess that the military often needs to do with the media - or us, for that matter.

    3. Re:I know that slide... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is load of crap! Don't try to justify by pissing on it.

      Alexander the Great pulled the sword and chopped the "puzzle" in pieces rather than pondering on the strategy to solve it.

      ACTION!

    4. Re:I know that slide... by 10scjed · · Score: 1

      Don't look at the slide as a whole... just look for an entry on the slide that represents an action, and follow the arrows which show what the effects of that action are.

      Okay, now I've looked at the slide, and all I can think is that 'the only winning move is not to play'

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    5. Re:I know that slide... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't look at the slide as a whole... just look for an entry on the slide that represents an action, and follow the arrows which show what the effects of that action are.

      No, don't do that, because each line in and of itself is simplified, and doesn't tell you anything you shouldn't have already known if you weren't being overly simplistic yourself. As you say, it's obvious. So what's the point of looking at the obvious and simplistic as represented in such a tangled mess?

      Look at the slide as a whole. What's the message? "The situation in Afghanistan is a network of interrelated feedback loops vastly too complicated to be conveyed in a single slide". That's the only real information this slide conveys.

      I could actually see this slide being highly useful if displayed to the right people. People who are involved in policy but have too simple an idea of the war. "Oh good, I'm going to have the war explained in a powerpoint slide," they say, thinking of typical PP presentations they've seen. The bam, up pops that tangled mess. "Whoa, this is way more complicated than I thought!" And there you go. Message imparted.

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    6. Re:I know that slide... by mestar · · Score: 1

      Remind me again what is the reason for US forces to be in the Afghanistan? And why is this not shown on this monstrous chart?

       

    7. Re:I know that slide... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      You aught to already know that, unless you've been living under a rock. Why the hell would they be showing that in this slide? Who the fuck are you?

      We are in Afghanistan because that's where the people who attacked us live (the real people behind it, not the peons who did the grunt work). It's a damn shame that the Iraq war took the focus off of Afghanistan, but it's pretty obvious why Bush did it - he had political capitol to burn and probably wouldn't get a second chance.

      What we need to do is focus on one at a time - finish up in Iraq, train the locals so they can defend themselves, and leave them be. We've been working on that, but only half-heartedly. The Iraqis should be doing most of the work by now, it's their damn country. There will probably be a civil war and it will suck, but the people of every country have to man up at some point or they will continually be pushed around by other countries (including ours). Once that is done we need to focus all of our attention on Afghanistan. Pull troops out of foreign stations that have been our allies for decades, send them into Afghanistan and root out the Taliban and Al Qaeda and get it done, then leave the people there be. There will probably be another civil war there too, but again, it's their country, not ours, they need to fight for it, not us.

      We have been taking imperialistic actions without the intent to be imperialistic. If that were our intent, we probably could have finished both wars years ago. If we are not willing to be imperialistic (and I don't think any large number of people in the US really is), then we need to punish those who hurt us and leave the countries be when we are finished. Make it clear there will be hell to pay if you attack us, and then leave everyone alone.

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    8. Re:I know that slide... by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      Thanks for finding that at high definition. What that is a mind map. The kind of thing that you can do with programs like FreeMind or its closed source, commercial counterparts. Mind maps are an invaluable tool but the only place you would use it directly in a presentation is to show complexity.

      Where it does get used, and quite legitimately too is for planning. You can even have it up on a screen while you are doing it.

  21. Different problem - graph or powerpoint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The graph at the start of the article may be complex to the point of silly but it does not do a good job of illustrating what is bad about powerpoint. To me it actually does convey something quite effectively - an image of complexity. I don't need to follow the strands of spaghetti to grasp that.

    Powerpoint is bad because it puts a presentation into a straight jacket. The presenter comes to identify the presentation with the sequence of slides, when in fact the most important part of should be his connection with the audience and what he is trying to convey. Having the presentation so firmly organized prevents the spontaneity and interaction that makes a presentation interesting and memorable.

  22. What a chart! by LanMan04 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow, someone needs to learn how to use GraphViz:

    http://www.graphviz.org/

    *avoid edge crossings and reduce edge length

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    1. Re:What a chart! by anonymous+cupboard · · Score: 1

      Graphviz is cool but I prefer FreeMind (opensource mindmapping tool).

  23. Military addicted to power point by LeepII · · Score: 1

    During my service we were forced to use power point for every lecture. Our CO stated that training without power point was not training at all!

    1. Re:Military addicted to power point by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      That explains a lot.

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  24. Crutch by COMON$ · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Its not that Powerpoint makes us stupid so much as it is a Friggin crutch. Powerpoint presentations CAN be done well. The problem is, mostly idiots make the presentations, read directly from the slides, and use whiz bang animations to make up for content...

    I would make note of several other crutches that should be great but are created by idiots.

    Most site index engines, for an example try to find something useful on Symantec's website using their built in KB search.

    Photoshop, you got to love all the "professional photographers" who simply apply the latest filter from their torrented CS.

    WYSIWYG, pick any, you know what I am talking about here folks, if you don't...well you probably are part of the problem.

    Social Media sites, the abuse never ends...I'm looking at you farmtown girl and political right/leftwing nutjob friends.

    Any of these items should work and be great tools but there are just too many idiots in the world who dont want to put effort into anything. These people will exist whether the crutches are there or not, but they sure as heck will waste a lot less time.

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    1. Re:Crutch by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Its not that Powerpoint makes us stupid so much as it is a Friggin crutch. Powerpoint presentations CAN be done well. The problem is, mostly idiots make the presentations, read directly from the slides, and use whiz bang animations to make up for content...

      Exactly. If Powerpoint were seen as a replacement for old-school slides (which usually provided visual aids to complement a presentation) rather than the presentation content itself, presentations would improve markedly.

      There are only three reasons I ever use slides (Powerpoint or otherwise) in presentations:

      (1) Non-text visual aids -- images, videos, audio, graphs, etc. that are necessary to make a point

      (2) Literal "bullet point" argument structures that are essential to my core argument (where I have to say something like "There are three reasons for X -- First... Second..." etc.), but ONLY if they are spread out over a few minutes or something and I need to keep the listeners on track -- if I use these, the slide summaries of each point are only a few words long

      (3) Long quotations that I have to read (for some reason) in a presentation -- shifting the focus away from me and to a printed text helps listeners to understand that the quotation is coming from a different source, and it seems to help people to concentrate more on specific wording, etc. (which is the only reason I'd be using it directly instead of paraphrasing)

      Another essential point -- use blank slides and try not to have the room too dark. When you're not actively using a slide, the attention should be on you. If I don't need a slide at some point during a talk for one of the three reasons I've mentioned, I put up a blank slide, even if it's only for 30 seconds. Otherwise, the audience will keep looking at the slide and stop focusing on what I'm saying -- and they'll be daydreaming about the three words on the slide or the image there instead of the argument I'm making.

      Any other text or notes should go on a handout, if it is required at all. If you organize your talk well, as well as use transitional phrases, landmarks, and short summaries of what you've said or will say ("As I mentioned before..." "Now, since we concluded X, we can move on to..." "Just to emphasize the two main arguments for Y again..." etc.), you don't need text or notes on a screen. That's just splitting your audience's attention between you and another source of information.

      If you're just going to read your slides, spare everyone the trouble of going to the talk and just send out of the presentation in an e-mail.

    2. Re:Crutch by rwade · · Score: 1

      Exactly. If Powerpoint were seen as a replacement for old-school slides (which usually provided visual aids to complement a presentation) rather than the presentation content itself, presentations would improve markedly.

      I can't even count how many times I've asked someone for information about this system or that system and an e-mail comes back with some powerpoint brief that says exactly....nothing. Power point makes it far too easy to say "These are the materials you get. I'll tell you everything else." The impact is that nothing anyone says is ever sharable. This is somewhat opposite than the scenario you sketch out -- there is too little information on the slide to do what the people that send it to me want it to do. The real problem is that no one sat down and wrote a paper pre-brief so that everyone knows what the guy is going to talk about -- however, this attitude of not writing information for everything has its root in directives of "thou shalt powerpoint."

  25. Prezi by OpenYourEyes · · Score: 1

    When the web was new and I had to make presentations like this, I would do HTML pages (with bullets) instead of powerpoint slides. The big difference was that I would also provide lots of links to additional information and details on each point. It took longer to write (both because of the additional information, but mostly because we didn't have great tools to assist), but was more engaging with the audience and did provide the additional details that a bullet-list-slide didn't.

    Nowadays, I might think about using something like Prezi for some of my briefings. While it does allow a linear path through a presentation, the information is layed out spatially and allows zooms and pans both through the path and independent of the path. This makes it pretty easy to provide additional information and show the relationship between some of the points. It does allow bullet points, but mostly so it can mock their use.

    1. Re:Prezi by Larryish · · Score: 1

      "Freemind" is a good planning-type tool, very flexible and logically designed.

    2. Re:Prezi by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Now, will Prezi turn out to be something nice or will it be comparably devastating to PowerPoint... (I'm sure the presentations they like to be proud of were made by good speakers, etc. anyway)

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    3. Re:Prezi by arb+phd+slp · · Score: 1

      You certainly can use Prezi as merely an animated Powerpoint. That was what people were doing with it when I first saw it.
      What it excels at is turning the spaghetti chart into something meaningful. Show the big picture, then peel away some points to focus on and discuss one thing at a time, without giving the audience a false sense of simplicity. The audience continues to be reminded of the overall structure.

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  26. Powerpoint Used Stupidly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Powerpoint used stupidly spreads the stupidity on to others. It can be a great tool, but more often than not is abused by people who are clueless when it comes to communication. People frequently use the tool as a crutch because it's fairly easy to slap something together.

    The solution is to educate people on the appropriate uses of Powerpoint and how to use it well.

  27. Powerpoint is trying to solve a problem by jimicus · · Score: 1

    Powerpoint is trying to solve a problem - that of communicating a lot of complex information efficiently. Which, let's be honest, is a very common problem.

    The issue that comes out of it is that a lot of people are absolutely lousy at effectively communicating complex information. Powerpoint allows them to pretend that they are communicating - when in actual fact they're not. They're just droning.

    I think a part of the solution here may be education - but I don't mean "educate people at college or when they're in the workplace". Effective communicating together is such an important part of modern society that I think it should be consciously taught at school. I can't speak for others, but most teaching I had in university didn't even attempt to teach techniques to get ideas across - we were just given a brief and told to "prepare a presentation".

    Given the quality of some of the presentations I've seen over the years - from managers, trainers and lecturers alike - I'd say that nobody is really being taught how to get ideas across. Maybe nobody knows how, and so there's nobody to teach anyone else.

  28. we lost by polar+red · · Score: 1

    "When we understand that slide, we'll have won the war."

    Seeing that BOTH sides have already lost, we'll never understand the slide.

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  29. Over-distilling of information by vijayiyer · · Score: 1

    When I worked on a defense contract, all material was expected to be in PowerPoint slides. I even had a customer reject a JPEG image because he "couldn't open it" and had me put it in a PowerPoint container. The effect was to spend time excessively distilling information into a slide format that was meaningless without context. A good presentation requires speaking to go with it and does not stand on its own. Unfortunately, people have forgotten the value of a good report with a nice abstract to start for those who want the distilled version.

  30. GEM by oldhack · · Score: 2

    My bad - I RTFA and this is the gem in the piece:

    Commanders say that the slides impart less information than a five-page paper can hold, and that they relieve the briefer of the need to polish writing to convey an analytic, persuasive point. Imagine lawyers presenting arguments before the Supreme Court in slides instead of legal briefs.

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  31. Looks familiar by lyinhart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Reminds me of this flowchart that's supposedly about how to fire an inept NYC school teacher.

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    1. Re:Looks familiar by pongo000 · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a teacher, it sounds like a fair system to me. Just in case you missed the point: It prevents abuse by petty and vengeful administrators who take a dislike to a teacher for personal reasons. I've seen it many times. Without such protections, the teacher ranks would be reduced to ass-kissing, brown-nosing toads.

      That said, there are always a few inept teachers that learn how to "game the system." But you don't revamp a system designed to fight abuse to take care of a few errant teachers.

    2. Re:Looks familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know, isn't that ridiculous??? It would be easier to get rid of a pedophile from the Catholic church than the NY public school system.

  32. Unknown quote.. by HockeyPuck · · Score: 1

    I recall once hearing a US Army General say during the Iraqi war that "If the copier had been invented prior to WWII, we'd all be speaking German."

  33. Surely running a war is this complex by UpnAtom · · Score: 1

    This seems like a good summary of what the Commander-in-Chief needs to understand.

    It may look like indecipherable spaghetti but we'll have something like a 3D browser representation with a page for each concept in our minds. Do we look at the internet and say "OMG that's too complicated"? 7+/-2, remember?

    So the problem is primarily trying to put too much information on to one page.

    It also reminds me of Ender's Game where a certain victory was achieved by denying the player the big picture... so they could focus entirely on the process.

  34. I agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never understood this about our army. We spend SO MUCH MONEY just to kill one Taliban. We need 200K troops just to deal with 1000 fighters. Why is our miltary so inefficient at doing the job of fighting? I thought one of our fighters was the equivalent of 15 Taliban? We apparently need 20 soldiers, which are supported by 5 each, using expensive gear, to eliminate one poorly armed, poorly trained enemy. God forbid these guys rise up in mass, we won't have enough troops to maintain the 1000:1 ratio it apparently requires for us to win.

    1. Re:I agree. by CuriHP · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem is in the first statement. You don't understand.

      This is some RTS game on a limited map. In an active engagement, US troops are more than a match for insurgents. But when the enemy can hide anywhere and more anywhere, you must defend everywhere. You need a force that can counter them anywhere they might appear. Hence, you need a much bigger force.

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    2. Re:I agree. by Message · · Score: 1

      Actually, a lot of those are support personnel... there are a lot of people that support that one trigger puller... and you don't want to match the enemy one for one... you want triple their numbers or more... if the enemy has a platoon, we send a company, etc.

    3. Re:I agree. by IICV · · Score: 1

      This is some RTS game on a limited map. In an active engagement, US troops are more than a match for insurgents. But when the enemy can hide anywhere and more anywhere, you must defend everywhere. You need a force that can counter them anywhere they might appear. Hence, you need a much bigger force.

      An strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

    4. Re:I agree. by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      if the enemy has a platoon, we send a company

      The enemy send one of ours to the hospital, we send one of theirs to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way!

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  35. Re:VERY VERY OLD NEWS by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1
    The NYT story:

    Published: April 26, 2010

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  36. As the appointed powerpoint/visio dude by arcite · · Score: 1

    in my office, I gotta say that this story inspired both fear and awe. The shear amount of dynamic connectors and double backing process ovals should cause our enemies to immediately shit their pants.

  37. Who's problem? by mseeger · · Score: 1

    Is it the problem of PowerPoint or the one creating the presentation? It seems to me a case of blaiming the technology instead of the user. PowerPoint doesn't create a strategic genius by magic. But i am 100% sure Clausewitz could have created a great PowerPoint presentation "about war".

  38. He's right... by arcite · · Score: 1

    But I got a flowchart that could rock his world.

  39. PowerPoint? by LarryRiedel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But nothing speaks to this more than the spaghetti-bowl PowerPoint slide of the US Military's strategy in the ongoing war in Afghanistan.

    Projecting a diagram onto a screen does not make the diagram a PowerPoint slide. The complexity of that diagram has nothing to do with PowerPoint.

    1. Re:PowerPoint? by Garble+Snarky · · Score: 1

      +1 insightful

    2. Re:PowerPoint? by icensnow · · Score: 1

      Well stated. A complicated feedback diagram in climatology from 25 years could have served as a model for the Afghan diagram (Robock, 1985, Bull. A.M.S.) and its complexity is the message -- you can't understand this system without understanding all these connections. Gen. McChrystal should not have been laughed at for recognizing the problem. PowerPoint has nothing to do with this aspect. If anything the point should be that PowerPoint discourages diagrams and thoughts of this level of complexity, and thus encourages oversimplified thinking (which was also Tufte's point, mentioned by someone else). We probably need more diagrams like this.

    3. Re:PowerPoint? by sridharo · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Powerpoint is used to display data. If you fail to simplify your data, thats not ppt's problem. Blaming the messenger.Err?

  40. I saw this last night.... by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

    Though I don't think "Powerpoint" or "open office impress" is the issue, I can see the point. We have become too reliant on a screen full of information. Of course, this is nothing compared to the chalkboards of yesteryear!

  41. Umm... by jaavaaguru · · Score: 1

    What's a PowerPoint?

  42. War is complex, so you get a complex slide by MarkLR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the point of that slide is to show that the war is complex and judging by the laughing it worked. It's basically like Primer in this XKCD comic, the point is not is understand the picture but to see that its very complex.

  43. Well Duh. by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

    Of course it's crap. They should be using Microsoft Project instead! Right tool for the right job & all that.

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    There is a war going on for your mind.
  44. The Fine Article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We Have Met the Enemy and He Is PowerPoint

    * Slides that are too complex
        * looks like bowl of spaghetti

    * Slides that do not convey important information
        * It does not show the intricate relationship
            between the parties

    * Too much time spend on making them
        * Ties up "PowerPoint Rangers"

  45. The slide is perfect. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Sometimes the situation or mission is complicated."

    Killing Afghanis for employment and profit, while hiding the true nature of what is being done is very complicated. The slide shows that perfectly.

    This is the real underlying issue: If Afghanistan can be made safe, an oil company can become very rich by building an oil pipeline from the interior of Russia to Pakistan. A side issue is that weapons sales and war contracting are easy money. (It is the employees of the war contractors who are killed.)

    To those who want to make money, killing poor and relatively defenseless people is just a cost of doing business. Especially since the U.S. taxpayer pays the cost.

    "... incapable leadership and poor communication..."

    Exactly.

  46. It's a tool, we make it unworkable! by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    The problem with PowerPoint is not that it makes us stupid...we're good at that already. It just allows people to build bad meeting presentations that look good on the surface. People have a need to feel like they put together a good presentation, so they spend all sorts of time twiddling around making things just perfect. The problem is that you get something that looks totally polished but is useless.

    In IT, I've seen that "spaghetti bowl" diagram over and over, except the end nodes are routers, servers, PCs, clouds, extranets, etc. etc. I work for a services/development firm doing niche-market projects, and colleagues of mine will just dump everything from a design doc onto a bunch of PPT slides to show to the higher ups. Especially as you get higher, you have about 10 seconds to get and keep their attention; after that they go back to checking their BlackBerry or reading something else. The message needs to be tailored. A CIO does not care one bit about the internal support processes of an outsourcing deal, they want a pretty diagram with maybe 5 elements and a bunch of connectors showing how things interrelate. An Army general can't be bothered with all the stuff in that diagram; his job is to take input from his commanders and say "make it so".

    In addition, there are some things that are just too complex to bulletize if you're talking about a technical audience. Some people really are obsessed with the "just give me the short version" mindset and do not have the ability to sit still for 5 minutes and read a carefully-written message or document. Boiling it down to a single bullet causes it to lose all meaning. Imagine a presentation on a technical topic like how LDAP works, or how you implemented disaster recovery for a customer. You need a little more meat than "* Directory service * Lets users authenticate * Stores extended information" if you are below the management level.

  47. Gotta call you on this one. by mevets · · Score: 1

    I've witnessed your citizens grasp of foreign languages. I think it would be fair to say you would be speaking american loudly and slowly.

  48. what a big ugly chart by mestar · · Score: 1

    Perhaps US military leaders in Afghanistan are at a point where they have to play the game where they try to present their jobs as so complex that no one could do it except for them, so that they would become irreplaceable?

    Or perhaps they become so corrupted by their power that nobody can correct them when they do something wrong or stupid.

    1. Re:what a big ugly chart by Message · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps it could be that full spectrum operations are just that complicated... it is not just about blowing crap up now.. you have to rebuild... and sometimes you are rebuilding more than just the crap you blew up...

  49. Weapon of Mass Confusion by aphxtwn · · Score: 1

    10 years ago, I heard a high ranking naval officer say that if we wanted to debilitate an enemy, we should give them powerpoint.

  50. Right tool for strategy, not for tactics... by Message · · Score: 1

    PowerPoint is probably not a bad tool for pitching strategy at the level the General needs but the real crux of PowerPoint in the Army (at the operational and tactical level) is that it is dated information by the time you brief. The Army has spent a lot of money trying to solve this problem with Global Command & Control System (GCCS) and the Army Battle Command Systems (ABCS) via Command Post of the Future (CPOF). The real problem is the integration of legacy combat systems into one Common Operating Picture (COP) that gives ground truth at any given moment.

  51. You just made my point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our supposedly "best army in the world" can only win by sheer manpower. All our skill and tech and toys are useless, because we don't even utilize 1% of the capability. To eliminate one $20 Taliban, we need to send 50 people and $10M. Either they are that good, or we are that bad. Take your pick.

  52. If it were wall-sized by itomato · · Score: 1

    Someone needs to teach PA Consulting Services the real value and potential of a dynamic mind mapping tool, so this manually-edited madness can stop chewing up dollars and obfuscating the ideas these cigar-chewing Generals paid someone dearly to extract.

    Making an overly complex digram larger is akin to jacking up the amplification on an unintelligible, and potentially flawed statement.

    "Parlay vew frawn sace? "I SAID! PARLAY! VEW! FRAWN! SACE!"

    Somewhere in the swirl of undersized fonts and chaotic connectors are a set of concepts that probably hold up the whole presentation, and could represent real gain, if people could grasp your frickin' message..

  53. Re:VERY VERY OLD NEWS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very very Old Gimmick. Come up with a new one please. Thank you!

  54. Here is an example of an effective .pps by AthleteMusicianNerd · · Score: 1

    CubsSoxFans.pps

    This is a very effective way of communicating the difference between fans of the Chicago Cubs and fans of the Chicago White Sox.

    Maybe the general's problem is that he's missing the eye candy.

    1. Re:Here is an example of an effective .pps by Anomalyst · · Score: 1

      The word "fan" comes "fanatic". It is not like there is any actual reasoning used in deciding which franchise to feed your time and money. (Even though I am a lifelong CHI-burbanite, it's none, in my case.)

      --
      There is no right to feel safe thru security vaudeville at the expense of everyone's freedom, privacy and tax money.
  55. My Top 10 That Includes PPT by Webcommando · · Score: 1

    This is something I created a few years ago for my team of engineers. I had basically stopped coding at the time and thought I'd share my feelings and observations in my organization on technical/non-technical. Powerpoint is a key contributor to the loss of techiness.

    You Know You've Lost that Techy Feeling...

    10) Strategy and vision are no longer used to describe development patterns or a pattern recognition system.
    9) Your biggest source control issue revolves around which project plan to update
    8) PowerPoint is now your tool of choice for mechanical drawings
    7) Your biggest resource optimization problem is insuring that everyone's Outlook calendar is free
    6) Amazon has stopped recommending "Uber Java for the L33t" and replaced it with "Paradigm shifting for Dummies"
    5) You've finally forgotten the "q!" command in VI; or was that the "ctrl-q"; where's my mouse
    4) The mythical man month now means anything can be done with enough people
    3) You write an all employee email to see if someone can help you take a tab delineated file and change it to CSV. Special points if the reason was to get it into a spreadsheet
    2) You do not understand why Dilbert gives his boss such a hard time
    1) You no longer cringe, but shake your head in agreement, when someone starts discussing "Driving efficiencies by leveraging our core competencies while eliminating non value add activities in new game changing markets"

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    I love the sound of distortion in the morning -- webcommando
    1. Re:My Top 10 That Includes PPT by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 1

      "Driving efficiencies by leveraging our core competencies while eliminating non value add activities in new game changing markets"

      That makes my head hurt...

      --
      This ain't rocket surgery.
    2. Re:My Top 10 That Includes PPT by drsmithy · · Score: 1

      "Driving efficiencies by leveraging our core competencies while eliminating non value add activities in new game changing markets"

      That makes my head hurt...

      Translation: "Completing the important tasks quicker, without wasting time on irrelevant shit, so we can attract new customers".

  56. It's a picture of a model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Has no one noticed that this is a systems dynamics diagram, an attempt to understand all of the relevant forces related to the conflict. Of course it is complex. And, yes, if it an adequate model, when we understand the slide (the model) we will have won the war.

  57. The whole MS Office suite does this by WebCowboy · · Score: 2, Funny

    PowerPoint exposes how stupid we already are.

    Basically, it isn't "PowerPoint makes us stupid", it is "Stupid people make us use PowerPoint". But that's true in some ways about the entire suite of MS Office products:

    * You haven't worked in an enterprise environment until you've been forced to use MS Excel worksheets as database tables, by managers of the kind who use a $2 calculator to work out the solution before typing that solution into the cell. As these "tables" become unwieldy they are augmented by elabourate macros crafted by the boss' secretary (secretaries wield Excel like witches yield black magic).

    * All documentation must be authored in MS Word, even 1000 page technical tomes where Word is ill-suited for the task. All doumentation must be passed around via email, until it clogs the server and someone comes up with the idea of an intranet portal (perhaps even Sharepoint! ooooh! aaaah!). Corporate intranet turns into 90%+ .doc content.

    * The more forward-thinking bosses realise that MS Excel is not a database (perhaps because their pet .xls file hit the 65k row limits before Excel 2007 was released). Stupid non-normalised tables imported straight from Excel into Access. Secretary learns how to build even more amazingly byzantine forms and macros, and eventually a whole department relies on a creaky Access .mdb on a network drive with no security where a dozen people run giant queries on un-indexed columns where a proper database server would be more appropriate.

    And of course, the whole thing must be supported by an IT person who had no role in crafting this mess.

    Powerpoint wasn't designed to make people stupid. Just like the rest of MS Office, it has been comandeered by idiots and forced to their mind-numbing bidding. MSFT products may be low in efficiency and reliability, high on resource consumption and vendor lock-in but they are quite easy to pick up even if they lack the "taste" on famous Steve seems to crave. ON one hand it has helped bring computing to the masses. The other edge of that sword is that it has enabled the semi-literate to misapply all of those applications with minimal effort.

  58. Gettysburg Presentation by adavies42 · · Score: 3, Funny
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    Media that can be recorded and distributed can be recorded and distributed.
    -kfg
  59. While I refuse to PowerPoint by TimurLeng · · Score: 1

    I work as a Systems Admin and Landscape Manager, very often being responsible for 1000+ server landscapes and millions if not billions of dollars invested in the same.
    In my specific field of Client/Server CRM and Enterprise Entity Software, there are no "fall back options".
    If my systems go down, the entire company goes "bye bye", often affecting hundreds of thousands of people.

    For all the reasons mentioned in this article;
    http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001yB&topic_id=1

    I simply flat out refuse to put certain topics in Power Point format. Even at the risk of angering the very, very higher ups.
    I found that in this day and age the attention span of most in top management equals that of a 5 year old.
    But topics like "Backup and disaster recovery", or "System Safety and Potential Points of Attack" and even things like "Expected performance changes over the lifetime of the System" can not be squeezed into 3-5 line page "tweets".

    Entire books have been written on these topics, designed to be read by EXPERTS in the field, and I am to explain the same to someone who doesn't even understand the difference between a Database and a Flat File Store in under 6 lines?

    I read a lot of proud pro PP statements from "professional power pointers" in here.
    But have you ever stopped to ask yourself if that glazed over look in the eyes of your audience is not caused by the reflection from the projection screen, but their "tilt" light going into overdrive?!

    --
    Free will is the illusion that our wits could compensate for our brain's faulty circuitry.
  60. kneejerk anti-intellectualism by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    The one slide may not be as compelling as a well-crafted 5-page essay. But next time you want to get a point across at a meeting try handing out your essay ahead of time, see who reads the fucker. Then go crawling back to powerpoint.

    It pisses me off that when anyone presents any information that requires some preparation or thought or analysis on behalf of the recipient, that the messenger is automatically to blame.

    The diagram in TFA looked like it might be reasonable to me. I might have preferred to have clear large printed copies of just that diagram to hand out so that I could free up the projector to present supporting slides that explained it, but so far as I can tell, as an all-encompassing overview it may well be a very erudite, accurate and useful visualization.

    It seems to me that what these people are bitching about most is that the war is complex and they don't like to be reminded of that by some upstart with a laser pointer.

    A far greater sin, to my mind, would be putting up dozens of near-content-free slides and then reading the bullets to the audience for slide after slide after slide.

    --
    Nullius in verba
  61. It would be much easier with an iPhone/KeyNote by MXPS · · Score: 1

    Need to win the war? There should be an app for that.

  62. I am so stealing that. by khasim · · Score: 1

    ... a Picture Book With Big Words.

    Consider that stolen. I will be using it the next time someone tries to subject me to a PowerPoint presentation against my will.

  63. For once by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    I agree with the US Military. I will even take it a step further and state that Powerpoint is the electronic set of crutches for people whom either have no training in public speaking, difficulty in doing so, or both.

  64. What's the problem by TikiTDO · · Score: 1

    That looks like a reasonably deep and detailed strategic map? Do people perhaps think that directing an entire national army to affect another nation is a simple matter? I would probably make that hierarchical, so not everything is quite so cluttered, but the breadth of information is what I would expect from something this important. Basically, they need to work on the presentation. Once that is out of the way, the rest is pretty reasonable.

  65. I just re used it ... by JumpDrive · · Score: 1

    for a company presentation. Substituting Gov -> Executive Commitee, Coalition --> Teams, Population --> Employees, Insurgents --> Unions.
    Seems to be working out rather well.
    This is just an example of a government project having a by product which is beneficial to all of us.
    No need to go to the Mars, when you can spend billions going to Afghanistan..

  66. Next defense fad: Twitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I also find it boggling that the US military can't figure out how to use both presentation and word processing tools at the same time. Is there a reason a five page report can't be written to accompany the presentation?

    Yes. Too many important resources are consumed in developing powerpoint presentations.

    There aren't enough resources left to do the excellent detailed analysis. And to type it into a concise 5-page paper. And to read and understand the paper.

    I once asked a fellow for some engineering advice. The military had paid for his engineering degrees. He seemed baffled by the simplest engineering questions. When I asked what good was that degree the military had paid for, he said he had never spent a single minute doing any engineering in the military. I said, "What do you do?" He replied, "Powerpoint, mostly." And he wasn't joking.

    Captains, majors, and up can pull in six figures and spend most of their time in PowerPoint. In many ways, it is the most valuable skill in the military. After all, flying a stealth fighter, or steering a nuclear submarine can only take your career so far. If you want to make Colonel, you'd better polish your PowerPoint skills.

  67. Cure: Rule of 3, & "Presenting to Win"(J.Weiss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put up-to *3* *keyterms* in a *sentence*.
    ( if you want it to be understanding & remembering )

    Same rule applies to charts...

    Re the book, though...
    Solve & Clarify the STORY, before bothering to try "present"-ifying it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Presenting-Win-Telling-Updated-Expanded/dp/0137144172/
    NOT affiliated with either amazon.com or with Jerry Weissman.

    *Any* operation of mine, this is required study/knowing. Period.

    Read the reviews. ( or those of the older editions )

    Rule of 3, in the Marines, is:
    Never give anyone more than 3 Points of Responsibility.
    If there are 4 PoRs,
    you need more than 1 person in the operation,
    or you've sabotaged their ability to work in instinct-mode.

    Lion-tamers use the same Rule of 3 by using a 4 legged chair to hold back lions
    ( their minds can manage 3 things threatening 'em, not 4 ).

    Salamanders published, in Nature mag, awhile ago, that they have the same limit.

    Human babies have the same limit, and have known this for a long time ( 3 things, or 3 kinds-of-thing ).

    If your chart/graph has 50 kinds of item having its own line,
    divide 'em into groups,
    and colour-code 'em,
    so you get as few valid groups as possible, etc...

    Anyways, dig that book, and enjoy the results!

    Cheers,

        -Me.

  68. Re:Cure: Rule of 3, & "Presenting to Win"(J.We by sco08y · · Score: 1

    Lion-tamers use the same Rule of 3 by using a 4 legged chair to hold back lions
    ( their minds can manage 3 things threatening 'em, not 4 ).

    It's not fair to judge your post and the book you're talking about entirely by this one remark, but experience is telling me: fuck fairness, this guy's an idiot.

  69. My last job on active duty... by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    ... I was a naval exercise controller. As the junior guy, I had the night shift, which not so coincidentally, was when most of the action occurred. First thing in the morning, my boss had to brief the admiral on what training objectives had been accomplished, some other stuff, and... how the engagements during the night had gone down. So one of my big roles was to prepare slides that showed this. People can rant about Powerpoint all they want, but it would have been essentially impossible to make anyone understand how an engagement had progressed without being able to flash a diagram of it up on the screen. Back in the day, people hand-drew these for things like history books, but hand-drawn diagrams would have taken way too long to be useful for our purposes.

    Let's get it straight, folks: Powerpoint doesn't make us dumber, people make us dumber (with bad slides).

  70. CMS is the right tool by thoughtsatthemoment · · Score: 1

    Hmm, I never realized that the military needs a collaboration tool so much. Of course an AI system would be even better, but that's a pipe dream for now. On the other hand, if a war is so hard to manage in modern time, maybe that'd be a reason for alternative peaceful means.

  71. Small section of main powerpoint: by fotoguzzi · · Score: 1

    When I zoom in on the powerpoint, this is what I see.

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    Their they're doing there hair.
  72. However... by cheros · · Score: 1

    .. I must admit to a grudging respect for Powerpoint in one aspect: I worked once in a setup where they had mapped all the military procurement processes and projects on ONE slide.

    I was impressed with Powerpoint for handling that slide because:
      - it was size A0 (we printed this on a plotter)
      - the font was Arial 10 - that's how much detail we had

    I kid you not, this was in the days where scroll wheel mice were just introduced. Never was a feature more welcome, but hats off - Powerpoint coped.

    As for content otherwise, well, yes. I agree with the original premise. The only useful thing of Powerpoint is the outliner..

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    Insert .sig here. Send no money now. Owner may sue, contents will settle. Batteries not included.
  73. how to use ppt right by cinnamon+colbert · · Score: 1

    http://www.writing.engr.psu.edu/teaching_slide_design.html http://www.writing.engr.psu.edu/slides.html btw, today i had to give a ppt to a fortune 500 company interested in us (small company smellign $$$$) i had one killer handdrawn figure, you could see the lightbulbs go on when people saw it

  74. Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A business flight from one one country to another crashes into the sea. Only three survivors; an English businessman, a Japanese businessman and an American businessman. They wash up on the beach of an island inhabited by cannibals. They are immediately captured and told of their fates. However, each will be granted one last wish before they are killed and eaten.

    "Well," said the English businessman, "I'd just like a last cuppa."

    So they dig into the flotsam that regularly washes up on the beaches of their island and find a case of English tea and a Sterling silver teaset. They start the water boiling.

    "I'm not sure you can grant my last request," said the Japanese businessman. "I have been working many hours on a PowerPoint presentation and I was flying to a business meeting to present it when our plane went down. It would be a great disapointment if I couldn't make that presentation fater all the hours I put into it." Well, oddly enough, a portable generator had also washed up on the beach complete with a supply of gasoline. Combined with the Japanese businessman's laptop it would be possible for him to make his last presentation!

    "Shit!" said the American businessman. "Kill me first! Don't make me sit through another PowerPoint slideshow!"

  75. Not PowerPoint by konohitowa · · Score: 1

    I really don't see how this has anything to do with PowerPoint*. Yes, it's a complicated graph. But that really has nothing to do with PowerPoint. You might as well bitch about the evils of the overhead projector while you're at it.
    ___
    *I'm certainly not a fan of somebody reading a bunch of bullet points to me as if that's an effective way to communicate information, so don't take this as a defense of PowerPoint.

  76. The real raeson for PP popularity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Commanders say that the slides impart less information than a five-page paper can hold, and that they relieve the briefer of the need to polish writing to convey an analytic, persuasive point."

    or cover up that briefers are, in fact, incapable of polishing their writing to convey an analytical, persuasive point!

  77. HuffPo blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A blog on Huffpo picked this story up in an interesting way. The whole Power Point thing is a bit of a red herring when you really consider what that chart is about:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/meghan-ohara/diagram-of-a-war-strategy_b_555389.html

    And sorry to all for posting as an anonymous coward - new to the site but will sign up soon.

  78. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the debate about PowerPoint is fun... everyone's had to sit through or put together one of these MINDNUMBING presentations. Why that's a standard bearer of how to talk to people is beyond me and probably has something to do with the eventual collapse of Western society.

    HOWEVER... i feel like there's a far more important message from this debate about PowerPoint. the picture in the NYT article is complex, but it's outlining all the elements of a frigging war! it would be terrifying if such a picture WASN'T complex.

    which is all the more reason that it's INSANE that the folks at the Pentagon are all b**ching about PowerPoint when the problem right in front of their faces isn't the program but that THEY don't understand what the program is trying to show them... the strategy of the war they're implementing!

    i've read a bunch of articles about this today, this one at huffington did a pretty good job getting at the real problem: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/meghan-ohara/diagram-of-a-war-strategy_b_555389.html