My i8k heats very easily. I even had it very unstable while travelling in South America. I thus had to enable the 2 fans to make it cool down, but I personally cannot support the noise.
If you work alone in a room, for 8-10 hours a day, having those 2 air-beasts is a big pain.
Once I was in a server room, with 5 linux box running at less than 1 meter from me. I couldn't even hear the noise of the machines because of my fans.
I am sick and tired of seeing things like that. Where is the real piracy?
I am currently in a country right in a center of South America. It's been impossible to find a real DVD. CDs are hard to find but it's possible.
You can find a reseller of pirate material every 10 meters in the street. Students in schools sell copies of duplicated material to pay for their studies, or to make parties.
E.g. Troya sells for under a $.
Here nobody buy original content. So I maybe am a pirate because at home I have some copies of CDs I didn't buy. But it's not many and I don't even use use them that often. The CDs I like, I have original versions of them. I have my share of paid CDs (over 200). Does that make me the bad guy? Not sure when you see what's happening in 90% of the world.
Yes I see the argument of those saying: but you have the money to buy the CDs. People there don't have it. I will answer to that that they have sufficient money to get as drunk as us, to buy themselves a CD player, a DVD player or a VCD player.
I don't even have a real DVD/VCD player at home, appart from my computer's drive.
I think all the piracy talk is bullsh!tt.
They cannot change the mentality there, but can send us to jail or pay heavy fines if we break the law once.
I am a software programmer. Always have been. Make programs. Review other peoples ones. etc.
I support OSS, but I am starting to feel like some kind of object. Everything I make will probably end up in some kind of big discount sale. A few more years and it will be commonplace to get media with a thousand programs on it. Probably as a free gift along with your petrol.
It makes programs seem like the free coupons you get when you buy the right brand of detergant.
[wait! It already does that! Guess what? The solution is to charge for services. So play your music, charge recordings, make concerts, etc and make a living out of it. See the nice effect, more people will listen to your music.]
You usualy inherit from interface not implementation. You delegate to classes (using adapters if needed). Final classes are recommended.
Furthermore, C# is just starting, and they have the liberty to make those classes non final in a future release if really required. They could not do the other thing around without potentially breaking user's code.
There are three categories of comments on that thread tonight.
One talking about who was the guy and in which way the story was related to Debian.
Those coming to say: hei this is like Debian this, no it's more like Gentoo that. Hei Mandrake stuff allows you to build your own custom CDs. That's also componentized! Etc...
And finaly there was a small group of people noticing that the article didn't say much what this new business model was about.
So people, stop trying to cover all noise with your voice, trying to preach your own distribution. Listen to what Ian has to say, if he has to say something.
For the moment, I don't think there is something worth to talk about.
And for the record, the initial post is over one month old, and went through newsforge before arriving here. And that's supposed to be news.
Why don't we only rate posts? We should also have a way to rate news, to express how relevant it is in context of what we expect to read.
For that one, I would give a 1 on 5. No comment gave interesting new discussion. Been there read that.
"As long as someone besides the person who writes and performs music is making money from that music I will not pay a half a cent for it."
And what about those who tapes and films?
You do realize that this is pretty stupid?
I guess you don't buy food, because someone else than the producer is making money of it. You must be making your own then. I guess you produce your own clothes, or did you prefer to live naked? I also guess you have a computer, but your must have built yourself, every single part from scratch, because someone else than the constructor made some money out of it. And while you're at it, I guess we should screw all those Suse and Red hat companies, because they make money out of something that most other people have been producing.
Pretty much anything that you get to have went throught at least one intermediate.
Even the day music will be available on the web, intermediates will be there. You won't perhaps see them, but their costs will be reflected.
Intermediates are necessary. That's part of the way products are delivered to the masses. Maybe if you are 10 years old and the only music you've been knowing is coming from the Internet, then I can accept such comment. But you have to know that before it ended up digitalized, it was a hard product, which required distribution. It's not because this business model starts being obsolete (*) that you have to become some kind of anarchist.
And that's modded 4?
(*) I would also like to remind you that there are many places in the world where people buy CDs, even tapes!
Do you have proofs to your claims appart vague statements: "there were strange programs on my computer"?
I find that strange. I've set up several windows systems, for friends, and for me in the past. I've personally never used an anti-virus nor an anti-spyware, and never had *any* problem when running with updated security.
I've installed those personal security programs on other's people machines, because of virii and spyware/adware programs. Most of the programs I've found on those systems had been installed throught 3rd party applications or infected files (many porn movies...).
My rules for better security on windows: - never run as Administrator - update security using windows updates and office updates (don't forget that one) - run a firewall (e.g. free ZoneAlarm or a decicated router) - run an anti-virus (e.g. AVG) - don't use IE and Outlook. Use alternatives such as mozilla firefox and thunderbird - install spyware/adware removal tools - chose strong passwords. E.g. https://www.winguides.com/security/password.php - and one the most important, don't download install files/programs you don't trust 110% percent.
If everybody was following those rules, most virii and worm would never spread that fast.
There are people out there looking for vulnerabilties, and trying to exploit them in a way to make them benefit from it.
Most virus writers have used human stupidity to spread their works. Most worm writers have used disclosed vulnerabilities to spread their works. But those who have searched and found unknown security vulnerabilities, they didn't go and scream their discoveries on the roof of the world.
Of course they won't try to hack John's machine for fun, using this vulnerability nobody knows about. They will attack a high profile system, one where data disclosure can be monetized, like a bank.
Do you think your bank will tell the world they have been hacked using an unknown vulnerabilty? No way.
The pay off for writing a virus is fame (except you don't benefit from it) and jail.
Why go an write a virus and get attention of all the media (and FBI) when you can just go and crack something somebody will never claim as being hacked?
Of course most of the windows users are not directly concerned by those vulnerabilities. But that doesn't mean noone is. Being a non-Windows user, I feel that these vulnerabilities concern me indirectly. No one touches my bank please!
When you reinstalled the machine, you should have: - installed a new disk - installed the system on the new disk - keep the hacked disk for evaluation purposes, including passing it to the FBI when necessary.
I don't see how this would have hold your system on reserve.
And I doubt that the FBI would seize machines in that way. There are ways to retrieve the information from the machines without taking them. But I just doubt and I cannot prove was the FBI's operative mode is.
I don't understand how this could be a an illegal activity. I went on xMule, searched for "w2k source" and boom I found it. That doesn't mean I downloaded it. Am I in the illegal side now? Is it like I was looking for drugs or a prostitute? I was just wondering how many people were sharing it.
What if I did searched for it by accident? What if people start renaming the file into free_MP3. and I start downloading the file. I am liable for having downloaded it without knowing the contents? Am I liable for just having searched it?
Eh but the latest worms can now spread through P2P networks. That leads me to: - what should be done is a rewritten version of Nymba.B and MyCodoom.C that just spreads throught everybody and start downloading the code on 10s of thousands of infected machines. That would be cool wouldn't it? Microsoft having sundendly thousands of people violating their IP spreading through a vulnerability in their own OS. And what if this new Virus was spreading through a vulnerability found thanks to the source code leak.... The day we can write software that create viruses automatically from the source code, detecting leaks in an unpredictable manner, using some kind of morphing, that will be cool. Kind of a virus taking life by itself. - what if Microsoft reuses one of 'their' viruses to spread a counterfitting P2P client that spreads 100s of fake/corrupted windows source code sources?
[plug in many other cool ideas]
Just to put that comment back on track: I don't care about the Windows source code. I run OSS on all my computers. I even have Windows Binaries I never used... What would I do with the source anyway...
What if the code has been around for years in the black hat community? After all it is 3 years old code. What if putting it in the wild ended up being a good thing (compared to letting it in the dark, where it is being misused?)
There's no point complaining about the application not migrating profiles. Firebird^B^B^B^Bfox is still a work in progress and the problem is known and will be addressed in a timely manner. So please read the releases notes and don't complain before posting comments that will be moderated as Interesting I still don't know why.
Don't listen to all those jokes that people make about outsourcing. They just want to scare you away so that they can enjoy their x00k $ salaries!
Finding a job has never been so easy!
Listen to this True story (TM): "I was tired off being a secretary, spending my days playing minesweeper. I said to myself, I could write that kind of software. I learned VB in a weekend and now I am the principal architect of Microsoft Windows XP Games"
Come on, join the fun, switch to IT, take your friends with you! There's plenty of money for all!
You're making nice points. I would like to add some more:
- young people are buying more and more other stuff than music. E.g. DVDs and Console games. In Norway a new DVD costs around 150-200 NOK (over 25$) and a console game costs often 500-600 NOK (over 70$). In comparison CDs are cheap and people buy loads of them. What would be interesting is to see how much money youngs spend now compared to before. I am sure it's much more, and it's just been used differently. Music is not that attractive anymore, it is a declining market.
- real cost of piracy is an order of magnitude much higher in poor countries. I've been to South America, and you can buy pretty much any movie in the street. I've even seen movies currently shown in theaters on what-I-thought-to-be pirated TV channels. I've heard about Asia and it's worse there. Dunno about africa, but I guess it's not far away
- the music industry has been declining, but I would like to compare that to the music-related hardware industry. People are buying more CD players, people are buying more digital players, people are buying PCs to use them as music players, people are buying CD-burners to copy audio CDs. It would be interesting to ask people here about what was the primary uses of their CD-burners, and I am pretty sure that copying a CD, or now burning a DivX movie will be among the first choices. So perhaps Music declines, but it has a spun a big range of other sales. That should be taken into account.
If I used to buy 100 CD a year, and now bought myself 95 CD, 90 CDs or even 77 CDs a year, but I also bought a CD-burner, a RIO mp3 player, and burned 100 CDs should I be considered a bad guy? I don't even talk about the hypocrisy where some companies sell both the content and the hardware including hardware that 'incite' to piracy! MP3 and DivX players are of course targetting the good guy who is a technical lover and has so many medias that he'd better put them on his computer than keep them in CDs). No they target average Joe who's buying half of this CDs and pirating half the others. Real fans don't use MP3 or Ogg, they keep their original CDs and vinyls and play them on their over 2000$ hifi.
So you have a dilema. People have to choose where they put their money. We are asked to be consumers. We are consumers, more than before if we look at the money we spend on average. The commodity that music has become has made it into a less attractive position and there's a shitload of hardware to buy to play your music along with a big competition of other medias.
Do you really believe you are going to decrease the slow down in CD sales by going after the people pirating your music?
Or is it time to rethink your business model?
So what about the music industry: - going full speed into digital music Sales in Europe, a la Apple and - focusing on trying to increase their sales in poor countries, which are not yet affected by this competition and which does not have yet the infrastructure to put P2P in evey house?
Actually companies now have a reason to let employees put software on the company's laptops: they allow to catch you the guy who's going to steal your computers.
Best would be that if Microsoft or any resellers was to refund me the licenses cost of the Windows OS I don't use (all my computers run Debian), I would directly send this money to Debian for sure.
Doesn't look that good from a Technical Analysis point of view to me. What happens in the next 2 weeks with the stock should will probably say a lot for its future.
NVidia manages to do so. They have a small layer of code to maintain that can be recompiled when the kernel changes.
Anyway, if a company is not capable of splitting their driver into the adapting interface to the operating system (which should be mostly common with the Windows code anyway) and the driver itself, then the code is probably not well written and not well maintainable in the first place.
I am sick and tired of seing people complaining about why and why this or that eview wasn't perfect, and the guy knows nothing about what he wrote.
It seems like people here only strive for perfection, always need everything to be perfect. But if you look at the quality of the posts on slashdot, not everyone deserve a 5.
Guess what: there are very few people that are capable of performing a task perfectly in each domain. And in one way it is better if you are not the best at the task when you perform a general review such as what he did. If you are more on an average level, you probably represent more people. If you are the best, your review means nothing when compared to what the average john will experience.
Leave the guy alone. If you're not happy, perform your own study and publish it.
This guy has at least the merit to have tried to switch, while most people here will just stick to what the majory of the crowd on that forum will do.
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What about the noise?
My i8k heats very easily. I even had it very unstable while travelling in South America.
I thus had to enable the 2 fans to make it cool down, but I personally cannot support the noise.
If you work alone in a room, for 8-10 hours a day, having those 2 air-beasts is a big pain.
Once I was in a server room, with 5 linux box running at less than 1 meter from me. I couldn't even hear the noise of the machines because of my fans.
I am sick and tired of seeing things like that. Where is the real piracy?
I am currently in a country right in a center of South America. It's been impossible to find a real DVD. CDs are hard to find but it's possible.
You can find a reseller of pirate material every 10 meters in the street. Students in schools sell copies of duplicated material to pay for their studies, or to make parties.
E.g. Troya sells for under a $.
Here nobody buy original content. So I maybe am a pirate because at home I have some copies of CDs I didn't buy. But it's not many and I don't even use use them that often. The CDs I like, I have original versions of them. I have my share of paid CDs (over 200). Does that make me the bad guy? Not sure when you see what's happening in 90% of the world.
Yes I see the argument of those saying: but you have the money to buy the CDs. People there don't have it. I will answer to that that they have sufficient money to get as drunk as us, to buy themselves a CD player, a DVD player or a VCD player.
I don't even have a real DVD/VCD player at home, appart from my computer's drive.
I think all the piracy talk is bullsh!tt.
They cannot change the mentality there, but can send us to jail or pay heavy fines if we break the law once.
I am a software programmer. Always have been.
Make programs. Review other peoples ones. etc.
I support OSS, but I am starting to feel like some kind of object. Everything I make will probably end up in some kind of big discount sale. A few more years and it will be commonplace to get media with a thousand programs on it. Probably as a free gift along with your petrol.
It makes programs seem like the free coupons you get when you buy the right brand of detergant.
[wait! It already does that! Guess what? The solution is to charge for services. So play your music, charge recordings, make concerts, etc and make a living out of it. See the nice effect, more people will listen to your music.]
It's actually a feature.
You usualy inherit from interface not implementation. You delegate to classes (using adapters if needed). Final classes are recommended.
Furthermore, C# is just starting, and they have the liberty to make those classes non final in a future release if really required. They could not do the other thing around without potentially breaking user's code.
We should apply this comment to the slashdot crowd...
There are three categories of comments on that thread tonight.
One talking about who was the guy and in which way the story was related to Debian.
Those coming to say: hei this is like Debian this, no it's more like Gentoo that. Hei Mandrake stuff allows you to build your own custom CDs. That's also componentized! Etc...
And finaly there was a small group of people noticing that the article didn't say much what this new business model was about.
So people, stop trying to cover all noise with your voice, trying to preach your own distribution. Listen to what Ian has to say, if he has to say something.
For the moment, I don't think there is something worth to talk about.
And for the record, the initial post is over one month old, and went through newsforge before arriving here. And that's supposed to be news.
Why don't we only rate posts? We should also have a way to rate news, to express how relevant it is in context of what we expect to read.
For that one, I would give a 1 on 5. No comment gave interesting new discussion. Been there read that.
"As long as someone besides the person who writes and performs music is making money from that music I will not pay a half a cent for it."
And what about those who tapes and films?
You do realize that this is pretty stupid?
I guess you don't buy food, because someone else than the producer is making money of it. You must be making your own then.
I guess you produce your own clothes, or did you prefer to live naked?
I also guess you have a computer, but your must have built yourself, every single part from scratch, because someone else than the constructor made some money out of it.
And while you're at it, I guess we should screw all those Suse and Red hat companies, because they make money out of something that most other people have been producing.
Pretty much anything that you get to have went throught at least one intermediate.
Even the day music will be available on the web, intermediates will be there. You won't perhaps see them, but their costs will be reflected.
Intermediates are necessary. That's part of the way products are delivered to the masses. Maybe if you are 10 years old and the only music you've been knowing is coming from the Internet, then I can accept such comment. But you have to know that before it ended up digitalized, it was a hard product, which required distribution. It's not because this business model starts being obsolete (*) that you have to become some kind of anarchist.
And that's modded 4?
(*) I would also like to remind you that there are many places in the world where people buy CDs, even tapes!
Do you have proofs to your claims appart vague statements: "there were strange programs on my computer"?
- and one the most important, don't download install files/programs you don't trust 110% percent.
I find that strange. I've set up several windows systems, for friends, and for me in the past.
I've personally never used an anti-virus nor an anti-spyware, and never had *any* problem when running with updated security.
I've installed those personal security programs on other's people machines, because of virii and spyware/adware programs. Most of the programs I've found on those systems had been installed throught 3rd party applications or infected files (many porn movies...).
My rules for better security on windows:
- never run as Administrator
- update security using windows updates and office updates (don't forget that one)
- run a firewall (e.g. free ZoneAlarm or a decicated router)
- run an anti-virus (e.g. AVG)
- don't use IE and Outlook. Use alternatives such as mozilla firefox and thunderbird
- install spyware/adware removal tools
- chose strong passwords. E.g. https://www.winguides.com/security/password.php
If everybody was following those rules, most virii and worm would never spread that fast.
That's the point.
There are people out there looking for vulnerabilties, and trying to exploit them in a way to make them benefit from it.
Most virus writers have used human stupidity to spread their works.
Most worm writers have used disclosed vulnerabilities to spread their works.
But those who have searched and found unknown security vulnerabilities, they didn't go and scream their discoveries on the roof of the world.
Of course they won't try to hack John's machine for fun, using this vulnerability nobody knows about. They will attack a high profile system, one where data disclosure can be monetized, like a bank.
Do you think your bank will tell the world they have been hacked using an unknown vulnerabilty? No way.
The pay off for writing a virus is fame (except you don't benefit from it) and jail.
Why go an write a virus and get attention of all the media (and FBI) when you can just go and crack something somebody will never claim as being hacked?
Of course most of the windows users are not directly concerned by those vulnerabilities. But that doesn't mean noone is. Being a non-Windows user, I feel that these vulnerabilities concern me indirectly. No one touches my bank please!
"hold the system in reserve?"
Why?
When you reinstalled the machine, you should have:
- installed a new disk
- installed the system on the new disk
- keep the hacked disk for evaluation purposes, including passing it to the FBI when necessary.
I don't see how this would have hold your system on reserve.
And I doubt that the FBI would seize machines in that way. There are ways to retrieve the information from the machines without taking them. But I just doubt and I cannot prove was the FBI's operative mode is.
What about the worm part? Is that also redundant?
I don't understand how this could be a an illegal activity. I went on xMule, searched for "w2k source" and boom I found it. That doesn't mean I downloaded it. Am I in the illegal side now? Is it like I was looking for drugs or a prostitute?
I was just wondering how many people were sharing it.
What if I did searched for it by accident? What if people start renaming the file into free_MP3. and I start downloading the file. I am liable for having downloaded it without knowing the contents? Am I liable for just having searched it?
Eh but the latest worms can now spread through P2P networks. That leads me to:
- what should be done is a rewritten version of Nymba.B and MyCodoom.C that just spreads throught everybody and start downloading the code on 10s of thousands of infected machines. That would be cool wouldn't it? Microsoft having sundendly thousands of people violating their IP spreading through a vulnerability in their own OS. And what if this new Virus was spreading through a vulnerability found thanks to the source code leak.... The day we can write software that create viruses automatically from the source code, detecting leaks in an unpredictable manner, using some kind of morphing, that will be cool. Kind of a virus taking life by itself.
- what if Microsoft reuses one of 'their' viruses to spread a counterfitting P2P client that spreads 100s of fake/corrupted windows source code sources?
[plug in many other cool ideas]
Just to put that comment back on track: I don't care about the Windows source code. I run OSS on all my computers. I even have Windows Binaries I never used... What would I do with the source anyway...
Nobody seems to have submitted that before..
What if the code has been around for years in the black hat community? After all it is 3 years old code. What if putting it in the wild ended up being a good thing (compared to letting it in the dark, where it is being misused?)
mod this up.
There's no point complaining about the application not migrating profiles. Firebird^B^B^B^Bfox is still a work in progress and the problem is known and will be addressed in a timely manner. So please read the releases notes and don't complain before posting comments that will be moderated as Interesting I still don't know why.
"Linux will never support DRM"
Not that sure...
Don't listen to all those jokes that people make about outsourcing. They just want to scare you away so that they can enjoy their x00k $ salaries!
Finding a job has never been so easy!
Listen to this True story (TM): "I was tired off being a secretary, spending my days playing minesweeper. I said to myself, I could write that kind of software. I learned VB in a weekend and now I am the principal architect of Microsoft Windows XP Games"
Come on, join the fun, switch to IT, take your friends with you! There's plenty of money for all!
Slightly off topic, but we are a geek site, aren't we?
a ge1.h tml
I was wondering was OS was running in the screenshot that can be seen on:
http://spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040104im
Any idea?
is that supposed to be GMT time? ;)
You're making nice points. I would like to add some more:
- young people are buying more and more other stuff than music. E.g. DVDs and Console games. In Norway a new DVD costs around 150-200 NOK (over 25$) and a console game costs often 500-600 NOK (over 70$). In comparison CDs are cheap and people buy loads of them. What would be interesting is to see how much money youngs spend now compared to before. I am sure it's much more, and it's just been used differently. Music is not that attractive anymore, it is a declining market.
- real cost of piracy is an order of magnitude much higher in poor countries. I've been to South America, and you can buy pretty much any movie in the street. I've even seen movies currently shown in theaters on what-I-thought-to-be pirated TV channels. I've heard about Asia and it's worse there. Dunno about africa, but I guess it's not far away
- the music industry has been declining, but I would like to compare that to the music-related hardware industry. People are buying more CD players, people are buying more digital players, people are buying PCs to use them as music players, people are buying CD-burners to copy audio CDs. It would be interesting to ask people here about what was the primary uses of their CD-burners, and I am pretty sure that copying a CD, or now burning a DivX movie will be among the first choices. So perhaps Music declines, but it has a spun a big range of other sales. That should be taken into account.
If I used to buy 100 CD a year, and now bought myself 95 CD, 90 CDs or even 77 CDs a year, but I also bought a CD-burner, a RIO mp3 player, and burned 100 CDs should I be considered a bad guy? I don't even talk about the hypocrisy where some companies sell both the content and the hardware including hardware that 'incite' to piracy! MP3 and DivX players are of course targetting the good guy who is a technical lover and has so many medias that he'd better put them on his computer than keep them in CDs). No they target average Joe who's buying half of this CDs and pirating half the others. Real fans don't use MP3 or Ogg, they keep their original CDs and vinyls and play them on their over 2000$ hifi.
So you have a dilema. People have to choose where they put their money. We are asked to be consumers. We are consumers, more than before if we look at the money we spend on average. The commodity that music has become has made it into a less attractive position and there's a shitload of hardware to buy to play your music along with a big competition of other medias.
Do you really believe you are going to decrease the slow down in CD sales by going after the people pirating your music?
Or is it time to rethink your business model?
So what about the music industry:
- going full speed into digital music Sales in Europe, a la Apple and
- focusing on trying to increase their sales in poor countries, which are not yet affected by this competition and which does not have yet the infrastructure to put P2P in evey house?
Actually companies now have a reason to let employees put software on the company's laptops: they allow to catch you the guy who's going to steal your computers.
Best would be that if Microsoft or any resellers was to refund me the licenses cost of the Windows OS I don't use (all my computers run Debian), I would directly send this money to Debian for sure.
Doesn't look that good from a Technical Analysis point of view to me. What happens in the next 2 weeks with the stock should will probably say a lot for its future.
[Disclaimer I am not a trader.]
But Gentoo doesn't keep history of your changes. Neither does it lets you put in comment on what you changed, etc...
Comme on, how does the parent post could be given a 4?
NVidia manages to do so. They have a small layer of code to maintain that can be recompiled when the kernel changes.
Anyway, if a company is not capable of splitting their driver into the adapting interface to the operating system (which should be mostly common with the Windows code anyway) and the driver itself, then the code is probably not well written and not well maintainable in the first place.
I am sick and tired of seing people complaining about why and why this or that eview wasn't perfect, and the guy knows nothing about what he wrote.
It seems like people here only strive for perfection, always need everything to be perfect. But if you look at the quality of the posts on slashdot, not everyone deserve a 5.
Guess what: there are very few people that are capable of performing a task perfectly in each domain. And in one way it is better if you are not the best at the task when you perform a general review such as what he did. If you are more on an average level, you probably represent more people. If you are the best, your review means nothing when compared to what the average john will experience.
Leave the guy alone. If you're not happy, perform your own study and publish it.
This guy has at least the merit to have tried to switch, while most people here will just stick to what the majory of the crowd on that forum will do.