I agree, but apart from cutting the grass under MS feet, you shouldn't discard the following arguments:
- it's good for them to see an open format succeed. It's easier for them to make their search tools functional. If MS Office succeeds, MS is better placed to succeed on the desktop and internet search area.
- it's good for them to see open source and Linux succeed. Linux requires an office suite compatible with MS, hence OO. Today, companies using or depending on OSS must invest into open source software if they want it to succeed in the long run. That's just part of the equation. IBM understood this long time ago.
- good for marketing & karma. And everyone knows Google is _the_ Karma whore today:)
You're being way too helpful and not enough flexible. I guess you run Mandriva right?. Here's perhaps a program that follows more the Linux philosophy. Here's my Debian version of the script. (similar to the Gentoo one)
NAME
cowmilk - milks a cow
SYNOPSIS
cowmilk [options]
DESCRIPTION
cowmilk retrieves milk from a cow.
OPTIONS
--min-milk value
Specifies the minimum amount of milk in milligrams to retrieve from the animal.
Value is taken as a numeric value that can be followed by a multiplier.
See coreutils info Block Size node.
--max-milk value
Specifies the maximum amount of milk in milligrams to retrieve from the animal.
Value is taken as a numeric value that can be followed by a multiplier.
See coreutils info Block Size node.
-t value | --timeout value
Specifies the maximum amount of time in milliseconds before aborting the operation.
Value is taken as a numeric value that can be followed by a multiplier.
See coreutils info Block Size node.
--daemon
Performs the operation in the background.
--auto-detect-gender
auto detect gender. This operation takes several tens of ms and may randomly fail, so it's not on by default.
-v --verbose
Be more verbose when warning messages.
--check-sane-options
Check options sanity.
When in effect the option will warn the user if the specified --min-milk and --max-milk values are out of the usual
advised range for the gender. In that case it will display a message "unsane options".
When used in combination with -v, a more descriptive message will be displayed.
Note: as this only works when the gender auto-detection operation worked correctly, the milk operation is not
There are billions to be made from a set of portals thanks to advertising. Having a monopoly on the desktop helps tremendously in that direction. IE was just that, a way for MS to generate traffic, thus revenue, on MSN. A new Hotmail will be there just to keep users inside the MS sites loop. Exactly what google is doing with their 10s of services.
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You should definitively see the "Kursk: A Submarine in Troubled Waters" documentary which tries to link the russian torpedoes with the Kursk tragedia. Here's one reference on a Russian newspaper. http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/362/14809_.htm l
Wild predators in an environment where they do not belong, do MASSIVE damage to native animals which are not in any way equiped with natural means of defence. [...] If this is indeed a wild predator that did not belong here and it was obvious to him, then on moral grounds he SHOULD SHOOT IT.
I wonder if we should apply this to ourselves when we start colonizing other planets?...
If you write a driver, then port it to Linux using the same code, you're not obliged to license that driver to the GPL. Because your driver is not a derived application. Dixit Linus.
I would guess that if you write your application first, then port it to mysql, even if you link to it, you're not obliged to open up all your application. Just your database specific bridge.
> Software that depends on a working internet connection
Making things that depend on stable electricity supply was out of thought some decades ago. Today nobody will question to create a device that requires a power connection to function.
Requiring a network connection to work won't be a problem in the (hopefully near) future. In fact already, I do most of my work on the Internet today: phone, mail, banking operations, etc...
"will ship in a 32-bit version only" how long before this edition is obsolete? Just let Vista slip 6 months more...
"the multi-language user interface (MUI)" only for Enterprise. I speak 4 languages, the mother of my child 4 and our kid is probably to speak at least 3. I don't see why I have to pay extra for multiple language interfaces. It comes for free on Linux. And doing so do not put you at an attractive price for any school deals.
The 'Ultimate' version also limits number of network connections to 10. Is that ultimate?
I love also the Prof edition "for business of all sizes" then you have the "small business edition".
Then I personally don't like the distinction to 'first PC in the home' and 'first pc in the emerging market home'. So what ? Second class world citizen?
No scheduled backup for Home edition (who are perhaps those who need it the most). Professional rely on - professional - backup solutions anyway.
Etc...
I feel that Microsoft has too many employees. Making distinctions like that based on features is going to confuse people. Given the fact that features are getting added all the time, feature not present in Windows N X edition is going to be in Windows N+1 X edition. Or maybe there won't be a X edition anymore. What if this particular technology (e.g. the P2P one) becomes a critical building block in 2 years. Do you tell all your home edition owners to throw away their 6 months old PC? Or do you backport it to everybody. What about all the Pro owner who just acquired a Pro because it had this feature?
Hell, even using Debian Unstable, most of your software is still incredibly out of date.
Could you give some examples?
I run Debian unstable and I don't think it is 'incredibly out of date'.
I have the latest gaim (1.5.0), evolution, gnomemeeting, firefox, mono (1.18.2), the latest gnome (2.10), the latest kernel as of yesterday (2.6.12)...
The latest openoffice 2.0 beta can be obtained from experimental, but openoffice 2.0 is not yet officially released.
Aside from security patches, any effort on 2.4 development/maintenance needs to stop. It's a brain drain
It's a brain drain if you are in a resource limited environment. The resources working on 2.4 today would maybe not work on 2.6 if the 2.4 work was taken out from them (this is not even possible, given the open nature of the kernel).
All my machines run on 2.6 and I have no issues with it.
he merely was trying to get more information from the bitkeeper repository. He wasn't satisfied with the bitkeeper-to-cvs bridge that BitMover offered because it was losing information on its way. He assumed that the lost data was owned by the user, so that he had the right to get it. That may be against the license, but he didn't have to force to reverse engineer the protocol as the bitkeeper repository itself allowed to be cloned remotely using very simple commands.
How can you be 100% sure that his actions directly or indirectly physically harmed no one?
Maybe a kid got kicked by his father after him catching him looking at porn he was viewing because he clicked a mail by accident.
Or maybe it was someone at work, who then got fired, got divorced and killed himself.
Maybe someone met a spammer and the street and kicked his ass. (my preferred)
Maybe someone got stressed by the hundreds of spams he received and had a car accident.
After all there was *only* 92 million email adresses.
And to finish. He will be in jail. He got what he deserved. And he gets harmed, it will be because of HIS actions. So his crime definitively had the potential to harm someone. HIM.
Actually that I don't mind. Because if kids were to reproduce what they see on porn movies today, then sex would be a strange experience indeed. People have now strange expectations, especially for their 1st time.
You know. All these guys who think they aren't good because they don't last 1h and have a 10 inches dick and those girls who think they are not open minded if they don't let guys do them what they want.
Actuallu some already start reproducing what they see, and having sex with a 20 years old girl today is completely different than what it was 10 years ago. At least in big cities.
To summarize, we are allowed to watch things on TV that should never happen (kidnapping, murders...) while we are forbidden to watch something which basically mostly everyone agrees to be a fun thing, while also being still our primary mean of reproduction (i.e. survival).
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I agree, but apart from cutting the grass under MS feet, you shouldn't discard the following arguments:
:)
- it's good for them to see an open format succeed. It's easier for them to make their search tools functional. If MS Office succeeds, MS is better placed to succeed on the desktop and internet search area.
- it's good for them to see open source and Linux succeed. Linux requires an office suite compatible with MS, hence OO. Today, companies using or depending on OSS must invest into open source software if they want it to succeed in the long run. That's just part of the equation. IBM understood this long time ago.
- good for marketing & karma. And everyone knows Google is _the_ Karma whore today
You're being way too helpful and not enough flexible. I guess you run Mandriva right?.
Here's perhaps a program that follows more the Linux philosophy. Here's my Debian version of the script. (similar to the Gentoo one)
NAME
cowmilk - milks a cow
SYNOPSIS
cowmilk [options]
DESCRIPTION
cowmilk retrieves milk from a cow.
OPTIONS
--min-milk value
Specifies the minimum amount of milk in milligrams to retrieve from the animal.
Value is taken as a numeric value that can be followed by a multiplier.
See coreutils info Block Size node.
--max-milk value
Specifies the maximum amount of milk in milligrams to retrieve from the animal.
Value is taken as a numeric value that can be followed by a multiplier.
See coreutils info Block Size node.
-t value | --timeout value
Specifies the maximum amount of time in milliseconds before aborting the operation.
Value is taken as a numeric value that can be followed by a multiplier.
See coreutils info Block Size node.
--daemon
Performs the operation in the background.
--auto-detect-gender
auto detect gender. This operation takes several tens of ms and may randomly fail, so it's not on by default.
-v --verbose
Be more verbose when warning messages.
--check-sane-options
Check options sanity.
When in effect the option will warn the user if the specified --min-milk and --max-milk values are out of the usual
advised range for the gender. In that case it will display a message "unsane options".
When used in combination with -v, a more descriptive message will be displayed.
Note: as this only works when the gender auto-detection operation worked correctly, the milk operation is not
There are billions to be made from a set of portals thanks to advertising. Having a monopoly on the desktop helps tremendously in that direction.
IE was just that, a way for MS to generate traffic, thus revenue, on MSN.
A new Hotmail will be there just to keep users inside the MS sites loop. Exactly what google is doing with their 10s of services.
You should definitively see the "Kursk: A Submarine in Troubled Waters" documentary which tries to link the russian torpedoes with the Kursk tragedia.m l
Here's one reference on a Russian newspaper. http://english.pravda.ru/main/18/90/362/14809_.ht
Wild predators in an environment where they do not belong, do MASSIVE damage to native animals which are not in any way equiped with natural means of defence. [...] If this is indeed a wild predator that did not belong here and it was obvious to him, then on moral grounds he SHOULD SHOOT IT.
I wonder if we should apply this to ourselves when we start colonizing other planets? ...
Just use the Free implementations. Classpath and co.
> why would anyone want to rely on a net connection to be able to write a letter,
... progress ...
why would anyone want to rely on electricity to be able to type a letter?
why would anyone want to rely on a typing machine to be able to type a letter?
why would anyone want to rely on ink to be able to write a letter?
why would anyone want to rely on rock to be able to carve a letter?
think universal remote access
think ultra thin client
think always connected
think reduced costs
etc...
If you write a driver, then port it to Linux using the same code, you're not obliged to license that driver to the GPL. Because your driver is not a derived application. Dixit Linus.
I would guess that if you write your application first, then port it to mysql, even if you link to it, you're not obliged to open up all your application. Just your database specific bridge.
Consult your lawyers anyway.
And knowing that smart people don't need computers, more than 50% if the users are below 100.
> Software that depends on a working internet connection
Making things that depend on stable electricity supply was out of thought some decades ago. Today nobody will question to create a device that requires a power connection to function.
Requiring a network connection to work won't be a problem in the (hopefully near) future. In fact already, I do most of my work on the Internet today: phone, mail, banking operations, etc...
Completely inadapted to me:
"will ship in a 32-bit version only" how long before this edition is obsolete? Just let Vista slip 6 months more...
"the multi-language user interface (MUI)" only for Enterprise. I speak 4 languages, the mother of my child 4 and our kid is probably to speak at least 3. I don't see why I have to pay extra for multiple language interfaces. It comes for free on Linux. And doing so do not put you at an attractive price for any school deals.
The 'Ultimate' version also limits number of network connections to 10. Is that ultimate?
I love also the Prof edition "for business of all sizes" then you have the "small business edition".
Then I personally don't like the distinction to 'first PC in the home' and 'first pc in the emerging market home'. So what ? Second class world citizen?
No scheduled backup for Home edition (who are perhaps those who need it the most). Professional rely on - professional - backup solutions anyway.
Etc...
I feel that Microsoft has too many employees. Making distinctions like that based on features is going to confuse people. Given the fact that features are getting added all the time, feature not present in Windows N X edition is going to be in Windows N+1 X edition. Or maybe there won't be a X edition anymore. What if this particular technology (e.g. the P2P one) becomes a critical building block in 2 years. Do you tell all your home edition owners to throw away their 6 months old PC? Or do you backport it to everybody. What about all the Pro owner who just acquired a Pro because it had this feature?
You know KISS?
According to http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdelibs.html andm l
http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdelibs/news/3.ht
it seems like 3.4.2 started entering unstable more than 2 weeks ago. And you could have gotten 3.4.1 from experimental end of May.
The delay may have been partly incured by the gcc 4.0 upgrade.
... it's GNU/Linux(TM) Torvalds!
- paperclip
Hell, even using Debian Unstable, most of your software is still incredibly out of date.
Could you give some examples?
I run Debian unstable and I don't think it is 'incredibly out of date'.
I have the latest gaim (1.5.0), evolution, gnomemeeting, firefox, mono (1.18.2), the latest gnome (2.10), the latest kernel as of yesterday (2.6.12)...
The latest openoffice 2.0 beta can be obtained from experimental, but openoffice 2.0 is not yet officially released.
Aside from security patches, any effort on 2.4 development/maintenance needs to stop. It's a brain drain
It's a brain drain if you are in a resource limited environment. The resources working on 2.4 today would maybe not work on 2.6 if the 2.4 work was taken out from them (this is not even possible, given the open nature of the kernel).
All my machines run on 2.6 and I have no issues with it.
reread the first line of the annoucement. There's a typo. Hence the joke.
Why a randomly selected number of people?
Make it open to everyone. And make it rewarding to successfully come up with a solution.
How can you be 100% sure that his actions directly or indirectly physically harmed no one?
Maybe a kid got kicked by his father after him catching him looking at porn he was viewing because he clicked a mail by accident.
Or maybe it was someone at work, who then got fired, got divorced and killed himself.
Maybe someone met a spammer and the street and kicked his ass. (my preferred)
Maybe someone got stressed by the hundreds of spams he received and had a car accident.
After all there was *only* 92 million email adresses.
And to finish. He will be in jail. He got what he deserved. And he gets harmed, it will be because of HIS actions. So his crime definitively had the potential to harm someone. HIM.
Laika and Yuri. You didn't know?
(OK I am slightly distorting history. Please don't write this in history books. It's a Joke)
Usage in Europe is above 10%, sometimes close to 15%.
Actually that I don't mind. Because if kids were to reproduce what they see on porn movies today, then sex would be a strange experience indeed. People have now strange expectations, especially for their 1st time.
You know. All these guys who think they aren't good because they don't last 1h and have a 10 inches dick and those girls who think they are not open minded if they don't let guys do them what they want.
Actuallu some already start reproducing what they see, and having sex with a 20 years old girl today is completely different than what it was 10 years ago. At least in big cities.
To summarize, we are allowed to watch things on TV that should never happen (kidnapping, murders...) while we are forbidden to watch something which basically mostly everyone agrees to be a fun thing, while also being still our primary mean of reproduction (i.e. survival).
Why isn't it the other way around?
Strange world indeed.
With regard to hot programmers, check Norway :)
They still use (a Branch of) XFree 4.3.
The license issues appeared just before 4.4
So there are no freedom issues.