That chip brings back memories: it was the processor (a Motorola) that ran the Apple IIGS. You can get Apple IIGS emulators - the best one seems to be Kegs.
Not trying to be a cheerleader but apparently Linus originally planned 2.5 as the "Numa Support" version. There were certain features that Linus wanted that he didn't actually merge into mainline until AFTER feature freeze. He just queued them for inclusion.
Well duh;) I said "fade into obscurity" which means that it will be less popular but no, not vanish. Nothing Open Source/GPL will ever really "go away" as such. We see examples of this all the time.
> Xine has alot of bugs which cause no-functionality/freezing
Doesn't suprise me in the least. These MPlayer dudes obviously think that they are doing something pretty special. Sad thing is they obviously can't write decent code that doesn't require a -O 1337 compile-time optimisation.
MPlayer will fade into obscurity (like XAnim has) as more capable developers e.g. Xine developers and Gstreamer developers write software that Just Works. The Gstreamer framework will be integrated into Gnome soon 8)
> followers of the GPL get their proverbial panties in a bunch when someone doesn't distribute the *binaries*. I don't get it.
It's about following the GPL, which the MPlayer authors are not doing. You can't pick and choose what bits of the GPL you want to follow and then say that your software is GPL. What they're doing makes the licence meaningless.
I'm on the Debian developers side here even though I don't use Debian: I'm glad that there are people that actually care about doing the right thing rather that pretend there isn't a problem.
Xine doesn't need to be recompiled, neither does gstreamer or any other unix-based media player I've come across.
There's something wrong when a media player app forces you to recompile it depending on the processor. Why are these things compile-time options rather than runtime?
>Actually, more honestly, I don't really care. It's things like this that make Free Software zealots look like idiots in the eyes of the public.
Following a licence explicitly is The Right Thing. It's not Zealous at all.
Well, for _installing_ there's a helper in Nautilus for RPMs in RH8. It's called redhat-install-packages. Double-click an RPM... (it will prompt for the root password)
> StarOffice isn't a replacement for MS Office by any means.
Speaking as someone who has deployed StarOffice in a corporation that was a fully MS-Shop (especially office) I'd have to say that you're inaccurate.
s/MS Office/StarOffice/g is (suprisingly) quite fine in most situations. Some of the managers will _certainly_ want to hold on to PowerPoint and Project though. We'll pry those ones from their cold, dead hands 8)
There's also some managers/ Salespeople who are hardcore Excel users and it would be very hard to make them switch, especially without fancy stuff like the "Pivot Table" feature.
I never bothered trying to replace OutLook. Corporations love GroupWare, for better or worse.
Word and Excel can quite easily be replaced with StarWriter/StarCalc under most ordinary conditions. sql*kitten, you seem to assume that everyone needs ALL of the features of Office. That may not be a valid assumption: for the receptionist/ customer service department/ tech support/ engineering etc. departments StarOffice is _more_ than enough. If you're just talking about the Sales department or Management then maybe you're a little more accurate.
The transition is nowhere near as painful as some would suggest. It's much more a people-issue ie. fear of change/re-learning than a technology issue.
The thing is, you really want admins that are good rather than cheap. I'd suspect that you'd get a lot more value out of a $65K employee who has deep knowledge of computers and can work autonomously than a $35K admin who "knows how to install stuff and click NEXT"
If it's a full-time employee we're talking about there may be plenty of time for her/him to take the initiative and work on stuff that will make operations run smoother. I've saved companies literally thousands of dollars/month by asking whether I could do a particular thing (eg. bandwidth monitoring) and implementing it. This sort of initative cannot be wholly replaced by software.
I am so happy about Madhya Pradesh switching to Linux and Digvijay Singh's "spot-on" opinion. This _is_ The Right Thing(tm) for India.
Third-world countries need to stop accepting handouts from rich countries/companies because these handouts _always_ come with strings attached. Look at the farce that "Foreign Aid" is: rich countries tend to _lend_ poor countries money then expect it back with a truckload of interest, making them poorer.
There are a few examples of companies screwing over people in third-world countries. Nestle (bottled milk), Nike, diamond cartels... do you think MS would be any different, with *their* track record?
People really need to stop being a penny wise and a pound foolish.
You're absolutely correct. I've visited Bangalore and IT is very big there. Companies like Wipro are amongst the largest software houses in the world. For the life of me I can't understand this decision AT ALL. Hell, there's Indian dudes working for IBM and Wipro who are *currently* working on Linux and Gnome.
It makes no sense whatsoever unless someone (Kulkarni?) has received a private check from Bill. Similar to Foreign Aid, they're going for a quick fix that will make them pay later rather than steady growth.
I am very disappointed. I have grown to love India and the people and I think they've all just been swindled.
> Kindly name me one major innovation from the past ten years that I can take home to my Linux install that isn't a copy of a MS innovation.
Linux has been chasing Unix, not MS Windows. Just because there are a few desktop apps that look almost identical to Windows apps does that mean that we're just "mimicking Windows"?
I really think the "mimicking Windows" issue has been blown out of proportion. I just finished my resume using LyX. In my previous job as a Unix admin I used such software as Tomcat, Perl, ssh, djbdns, qmail, vi, heck, even bash counts I'd say... I could go on... so what MS technology were they mimicking again?
Doesn't Windows Media player come with the OS? If so I can't see everyone jumping across to MPlayer dude.
Remember what happened to Netscape? Even when IE was an inferior product it still dominated as it came with the OS and you didn't need to spend online time ($$$) downloading the browser.
>I strongly hope one day some nicer person will take the mplayer project,
I'd put programming skill before "nice attitude" dude. We don't really need "nice guys" writing code. We need excellent programmers. Not to say that the two are mutually exclusive (and it is great when programmers are clever as well as helpful) but, for instance who would you prefer to work on the Kernel: Alexander Viro or John Katz?
>or write a better player.
I use xine and am playing with GStreamer. I tried MPlayer a long time ago but found it difficult to compile on RH and I really couldn't be stuffed futzing with it as there were alternatives.
But huntsmen are pretty damn harmless. They *look* a lot more dangerous than they are. You get some pretty big ones up bush but really the most common thing they do is give people the willies. Their "scurrying" movement can send a shiver down your spine.
However the funnel webs (uncommon in Victoria from my experience, common in New South Wales) are pretty bloody dangerous:
http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb. ht m
Redbacks and white-tailed spiders are nasty as well.
But don't worry so much about the spiders, the snakes of Australia are REALLY SOMETHING:
http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/snakebite.html You might accidently stumble across one when running from a crocodile. Careful. *snigger*
Billy Connolly: "I dunno how Australians make it to Adulthood at all! The place is frought with danger!"
I've done a lot of camping, spent a lot of time in the bush, on farms, etc and I've never been bitten by any dangerous insects or reptiles. They're usually a lot more scared of us than we are of them, excepting the crocs of course.
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That chip brings back memories: it was the processor (a Motorola) that ran the Apple IIGS. You can get Apple IIGS emulators - the best one seems to be Kegs.
http://kegs.sourceforge.net/
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Not trying to be a cheerleader but apparently Linus originally planned 2.5 as the "Numa Support" version. There were certain features that Linus wanted that he didn't actually merge into mainline until AFTER feature freeze. He just queued them for inclusion.
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Using Macs? It's official then! The ./ editors are gay!
Hey hey settle I'm just kidding eeeiiiii?
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> MPlayer will never go away.
;) I said "fade into obscurity" which means that it will be less popular but no, not vanish. Nothing Open Source/GPL will ever really "go away" as such. We see examples of this all the time.
Well duh
> Xine has alot of bugs which cause no-functionality/freezing
True. For the most part it Works For Me though.
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>As mplayer has runtime CPU detection, I assume you are surprised now?
;)
No not suprised. I'm glad it does.
Someone else claims that they are allowing binary distribution now and the "compile it yerself" attitude is from a long time ago.
If the above is true then perhaps this whole article has been miscommunication and a big fat waste of 0s and 1s.
Ahh well... 5 mins of my life I'll never get back
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Doesn't suprise me in the least. These MPlayer dudes obviously think that they are doing something pretty special. Sad thing is they obviously can't write decent code that doesn't require a -O 1337 compile-time optimisation.
MPlayer will fade into obscurity (like XAnim has) as more capable developers e.g. Xine developers and Gstreamer developers write software that Just Works. The Gstreamer framework will be integrated into Gnome soon 8)
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> followers of the GPL get their proverbial panties in a bunch when someone doesn't distribute the *binaries*. I don't get it.
It's about following the GPL, which the MPlayer authors are not doing. You can't pick and choose what bits of the GPL you want to follow and then say that your software is GPL. What they're doing makes the licence meaningless.
I'm on the Debian developers side here even though I don't use Debian: I'm glad that there are people that actually care about doing the right thing rather that pretend there isn't a problem.
Xine doesn't need to be recompiled, neither does gstreamer or any other unix-based media player I've come across.
There's something wrong when a media player app forces you to recompile it depending on the processor. Why are these things compile-time options rather than runtime?
>Actually, more honestly, I don't really care. It's things like this that make Free Software zealots look like idiots in the eyes of the public.
Following a licence explicitly is The Right Thing. It's not Zealous at all.
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And in conclusion, graphs are going up... so I'm happy.
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> We still haven't been able to find the appropriate motor on mouser or digikey.
Perhaps you just need some majick-fixy-motor-juice aka WD-40?
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Well at least it didn't decide to convert itself into a sauna.
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"Is this what ./'ers need during those long coding sessions."
No. For that we have No-Doz, coffee and caffeinated soft-drink beverages.
ok... and pizza. (Though most pizza seems to be really bad these days)
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*Lack of a good package management front-end:
Well, for _installing_ there's a helper in Nautilus for RPMs in RH8. It's called redhat-install-packages. Double-click an RPM... (it will prompt for the root password)
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No.
You're running a "not an emulator" on a Unix clone to run a "not an emulator".
See?
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> StarOffice isn't a replacement for MS Office by any means.
Speaking as someone who has deployed StarOffice in a corporation that was a fully MS-Shop (especially office) I'd have to say that you're inaccurate.
s/MS Office/StarOffice/g is (suprisingly) quite fine in most situations. Some of the managers will _certainly_ want to hold on to PowerPoint and Project though. We'll pry those ones from their cold, dead hands 8)
There's also some managers/ Salespeople who are hardcore Excel users and it would be very hard to make them switch, especially without fancy stuff like the "Pivot Table" feature.
I never bothered trying to replace OutLook. Corporations love GroupWare, for better or worse.
Word and Excel can quite easily be replaced with StarWriter/StarCalc under most ordinary conditions. sql*kitten, you seem to assume that everyone needs ALL of the features of Office. That may not be a valid assumption: for the receptionist/ customer service department/ tech support/ engineering etc. departments StarOffice is _more_ than enough. If you're just talking about the Sales department or Management then maybe you're a little more accurate.
The transition is nowhere near as painful as some would suggest. It's much more a people-issue ie. fear of change/re-learning than a technology issue.
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Correctamundo.
This should be modded up. It is indeed the association with Krishna that's important wrt cows.
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The thing is, you really want admins that are good rather than cheap. I'd suspect that you'd get a lot more value out of a $65K employee who has deep knowledge of computers and can work autonomously than a $35K admin who "knows how to install stuff and click NEXT"
If it's a full-time employee we're talking about there may be plenty of time for her/him to take the initiative and work on stuff that will make operations run smoother. I've saved companies literally thousands of dollars/month by asking whether I could do a particular thing (eg. bandwidth monitoring) and implementing it. This sort of initative cannot be wholly replaced by software.
I am so happy about Madhya Pradesh switching to Linux and Digvijay Singh's "spot-on" opinion. This _is_ The Right Thing(tm) for India.
Third-world countries need to stop accepting handouts from rich countries/companies because these handouts _always_ come with strings attached. Look at the farce that "Foreign Aid" is: rich countries tend to _lend_ poor countries money then expect it back with a truckload of interest, making them poorer.
There are a few examples of companies screwing over people in third-world countries. Nestle (bottled milk), Nike, diamond cartels... do you think MS would be any different, with *their* track record?
People really need to stop being a penny wise and a pound foolish.
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You're absolutely correct. I've visited Bangalore and IT is very big there. Companies like Wipro are amongst the largest software houses in the world. For the life of me I can't understand this decision AT ALL. Hell, there's Indian dudes working for IBM and Wipro who are *currently* working on Linux and Gnome.
It makes no sense whatsoever unless someone (Kulkarni?) has received a private check from Bill. Similar to Foreign Aid, they're going for a quick fix that will make them pay later rather than steady growth.
I am very disappointed. I have grown to love India and the people and I think they've all just been swindled.
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Are we still talking about sex?
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C'mon man that's harsh. He's neither of those. He's a:
3) Trolling fuckwit
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> Kindly name me one major innovation from the past ten years that I can take home to my Linux install that isn't a copy of a MS innovation.
Linux has been chasing Unix, not MS Windows. Just because there are a few desktop apps that look almost identical to Windows apps does that mean that we're just "mimicking Windows"?
I really think the "mimicking Windows" issue has been blown out of proportion. I just finished my resume using LyX. In my previous job as a Unix admin I used such software as Tomcat, Perl, ssh, djbdns, qmail, vi, heck, even bash counts I'd say... I could go on... so what MS technology were they mimicking again?
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Doesn't Windows Media player come with the OS? If so I can't see everyone jumping across to MPlayer dude.
Remember what happened to Netscape? Even when IE was an inferior product it still dominated as it came with the OS and you didn't need to spend online time ($$$) downloading the browser.
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>I strongly hope one day some nicer person will take the mplayer project,
I'd put programming skill before "nice attitude" dude. We don't really need "nice guys" writing code. We need excellent programmers. Not to say that the two are mutually exclusive (and it is great when programmers are clever as well as helpful) but, for instance who would you prefer to work on the Kernel: Alexander Viro or John Katz?
>or write a better player.
I use xine and am playing with GStreamer. I tried MPlayer a long time ago but found it difficult to compile on RH and I really couldn't be stuffed futzing with it as there were alternatives.
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Fair enough I spoze Jez,
. ht m
But huntsmen are pretty damn harmless. They *look* a lot more dangerous than they are. You get some pretty big ones up bush but really the most common thing they do is give people the willies. Their "scurrying" movement can send a shiver down your spine.
However the funnel webs (uncommon in Victoria from my experience, common in New South Wales) are pretty bloody dangerous:
http://www.amonline.net.au/factsheets/funnelweb
Redbacks and white-tailed spiders are nasty as well.
But don't worry so much about the spiders, the snakes of Australia are REALLY SOMETHING:
http://www.usyd.edu.au/su/anaes/snakebite.html
You might accidently stumble across one when running from a crocodile. Careful. *snigger*
Billy Connolly: "I dunno how Australians make it to Adulthood at all! The place is frought with danger!"
I've done a lot of camping, spent a lot of time in the bush, on farms, etc and I've never been bitten by any dangerous insects or reptiles. They're usually a lot more scared of us than we are of them, excepting the crocs of course.
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Furthermore, if you've worked for a dotcom and been in a "Strategic Planning" meeting you'd know that *everyone* is in "Biz dev and sales"
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I believe you may need to run a full diagnostic on your sense-of-geek-humour module.
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