The GWTW reference was yours, I just pointed out it's not perfect either.
Ah yes so I did. But the point I was struggling to make was not related to GWTW as such, it was this: Large things that are noticable to people who pay even a little bit of attention should be payed attention to.
As to the timeline, check it out here [startrek.com].
And what were you thinking about when you say that is in a different timeline that the rest of the series?
(This must have been what you ment, sice if it was a different timelime from OUR time, that hardly is an excuse for making continuity differences with regards to other series)
Frankly you come off as a know-it-all kid loudly boasting he can do something better - what have you done?
You see things as you are. I stated my belief that if I had been hired to keep continuity I would be able to master that job (unless obstructed by someone higher up the ladder).
And since I assume the people actually working with the stuff would be, if not better qualified then at least much more experienced, and since there obviously isn't that high a regard for continuity, it must be by design rather than oversight.
How you wish to intrepret that belief is entirely up to you.
...when you think its a totally pathetic piece of brain dead crap, which is almost entirly unoriginal and totally non inventive with the sole exception of the totally over the top far out visuals, which appear to be aimed at the bubblegum generation.
The only thing i really liked was the intro to season 1
You are aware there's now an entire alternative timeline established for Enterprise? Check out whatever the official website is; it's all there and no it doesn't match up directly to anything before it.
WHAT! No, I most certainly aren't aware that it is a new alternative timelime - if that's true my opinion of Berman has fallen even lower... but its so outrageous that I refuse to believe it, unless you can point to a specific OFFICIAL page which quotes that information.
That there is a temporal element has been known for a while, it has prompted fans to speculate about "retconning" (retroactive continuity) running rampant, but i've seen no offical words to that effect.
However I doubt everything ever could be made to match up perfectly. Over the past 30 years a vast amount of material has been created and much of it is already contradictory (apparently random dates, contradictory locations, elevators going to random floors, events out of sequence, the "Klingon makeover", etc.)
Somethings probably can't be salvaged, (because of previous sloppy continuity), and there are things we shouldn't try to salvage - like the klingon makeover. Obviously that's just technical improvements and any explanation would probably be rather lame (I've never heard a sufficiently good retconning on that score, but it might come along one day... you never know). But this doesn't mean that there isn't a vast area of things which CAN be coordinated if you care (they should put Mike Okuda on the job, I suspect he would do a good job).
Finally apparently you haven't been watching films too closely either. There are numerous continuity errors in GWTW as there are in any production. Watch Dorothy's braids (and bosom) in the Wizard of Oz if you want to really laugh!
Everyone else in the real world has to use real age verification systems (be is visual "hmm, he looks like a 11 year old" or "ID please") when it comes to things that can be deemed "harmful" to minors, so why shouldn't online systems? Asking for something like credit card information seems to be the easiest and most widely spread use of such a method, as I cannot think of any other methods that can be (more) successfully used? (not that credit cards are an infallible age verification system, as they're easy to "borrow" and also I had my first credit card at 16 years old)
Two things:
1. You americans should try and get over your moral righteousness, here in Denmark there is that much nonsense about it: If a kid wants to buy porn, who's gonna stop him? (sure the parents might try, but the law wont) But guess what? They are not that interested when the adults to try to make it this very big guilty secret. They are more interested in cheat codes for the latest game.
2. I'm not going to "borrow" any site him personal information(unless i was planning to subscribe to something) if they need that to let me in I ain't playing
I like that the characters finally have a measure of humanity. They're occasionally noble, often shortsighted, easily amused and excited, sometimes brave, usually susceptible to blind predjudice, quarrelsome, hypocritical, and driven by baser instincts they usually dont try to understand.... That is how people would really act, not as the insufferable, always correct robot that was Picard / Janeway.
That's because that's the excuse you and people like you use for not improving yourself. "That's the way real humans are" - crap - We could and shuld improve and grow up - but in order to do some one must WANT to - Picard was a perfectly obtainable goal if those who came before him and had a wish to improve themselves - of course its always easier to say "that's just the way we are" and blow up buildings.
Most leaders will always have more Shatner than Stewart in them.
Because most of them are hypocritical fools who are satisfied with being a child instead of growing truly up.
"There wasn't any character development" : hey guys, this was a PILOT. Few pilots develop much characterwise, they have too much expositional ground to cover. Two hours is what, 80 pages of script? How much "development" can you cram into that without forcing it, AND still have time to show all the neato-whiz-bang special effects for which the series is famed? (And remember, they ARE trying to build a ~new~ audience, not just attract the old. The old will keep coming to con's and buying rubber vulcan ears forever.)
If its not there its because they chose not to put it there. According you your paragraphi s because they don't care about the exsisting fans, and just want to lure new dupes in by trying to make some action crap - but hey, Gene Roddenberry is dead- anything goes....
what a bunch of whiny bitches (Score:5)
by (arg!)Styopa (styopa@nospam.iname.com) on 5:37 27 September 2001 (#2356691)
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Fer chrissakes. "Hi there, we're the/. crowd, and we have the patience of a mayfly..."
"There wasn't any character development" : hey guys, this was a PILOT. Few pilots develop much characterwise, they have too much expositional ground to cover. Two hours is what, 80 pages of script? How much "development" can you cram into that without forcing it, AND still have time to show all the neato-whiz-bang special effects for which the series is famed? (And remember, they ARE trying to build a ~new~ audience, not just attract the old. The old will keep coming to con's and buying rubber vulcan ears forever.)
"How does armor plate go offline?" SOMEbody wasn't listening when they said that the armor POLARIZATION had gone off line.
Yeah you weren't listening - they didn't say that.
ST:NG took FIVE SEASONS to come up with ep's like "The Inner Light"
And one season to come up with "The Measure of a man
The rest of you, cripes, give it a season or two.
It should never take that long - the problem seems to be with the american tv making system: They don't WANT to make a choice, for fear of ratings loss, so they change a little bit in one direction, and check the ratings, then they change a little bit in another direction back and forth, until eventually they stick with something they think can't be improved or they daren't improve upon. Its not always plesant to watch.
Y'know, I kinda feel bad for the Enterprise writers. They've got 5 TV series, 9 movies, a cartoon, who knows how many books plus guides and manuals and even language dictionaries out there with every ST-fanatic just drooling to be the first to catch an error.
Get over it. It's a TV show, not a coding textbook. Yes there will be inconsistencies and errors and who knows what else.
You get over it! If I see 'Gone with the wind' I don't expect Rhett Butler to be a giant in one scene, a midget in the next, a farm owner in one scene and german railroad worker in the next.
And it is the same: Some people (perhaps the wast majority) have the attention spam of a gnat, and can't remember much more than what happened during an hour. But some of us remember more than that, without even trying. And we get annoyed when the powers that be simply signal "we don't give a damn about you: Freak!".
I could maintain continuity - if they don't its because they can't be bothered. Nothing to feel sorry for, just sloppy work.
While I'm not sure where the 29th centure guy is going to go, or wht they'll do with him, it is a plot hook, and presumabily will develop into a story arch. Which is what everyone says they like.
If Berman believed that everybody liked it, we would have seen more of an arc, he doesn't so we won't - don't hold your breath, is is not likely to become B5
Still, I was pleasantly surprised by the level of prejudice, intolerance and violence. This show definitely played a lot like an old TOS show. It was quite a refreshing change of pace from Voyager and TNG's 'moral issue of the week' approach.
TOS was the immature child, TNG then grew up to be the full mature human who had put away the childish things of today... if Enterprise is back to TOS i guess we have come full cirlce, and Enterprise is the senil old goat.
Everybody knows this (unless they are very silly), but its amusing to try and se IF we can come up with a retcon that would actually make sense given the context. Of course I've yet to see such an explanation, but who knows, perhaps one day:o)
Why the hell is there always one in every crowd who drags that out???
NO!
Roddenberry did not setup to write "Wagon Train to the Stars"! That's what he TOLD the suits at the network, because he knew they just wouldn't get it, if he told them he wanted to make a show about the human condition.
Berman is so inept, he never seems to have understood Roddenberry or if he did he tries to avoid it (probably thinking it doesn't garner rating). But I think Bakula has great promise, he seems to understand the human condition much better, and if he actually has something to say about this production... it might, just might be possible to catch the lightning in the bottle again.
Someone attacked, WE declare war because of the attack. And the rhetoric used by terrorists on the record does indicate that they are at war with us. Jihad is a holy *war*. So yes people have declared war on us. If it isn't war then what is it? It is more than a criminal act because of its magnitude, its motive, and its political element.
Countries declare war, not individuals or groups of individuals. An no country has said that they did this, Afghanistan has denied any involvemnt, and some of their people said that IF the US starts to bomb them they will declare a jihad against the US. If they are innocent and someone starts to bomb the shit out of them its understandable that they would be upset.
If they were really hell bent on national isolation, they wouldn't be "SCARY FUCKERS", would they? They certainly wouldn't talk about invading other countries! Isolationism is when a country keeps its nose out of other nations' affairs.
How in the hell did "isolationist" come to mean "warmonger" in so many people's minds?
Because that kind of irrationality often means "they threaten our way of life, we better get them before the get us"
. Most of the slashdot readship probably falls within the top most 1% of the population in terms of intelligence. Do not forget that the people calling the shots on this one can probably cut that down to.25%.
You hope - I thought the requirement to get elected was that one looked god on TV..
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How would you do the same with headers?
This file starts with "JFIF" what application would you like to use "paintshop", "real player" or "notepad"
Same problem you have with extentions..
The GWTW reference was yours, I just pointed out it's not perfect either.
Ah yes so I did. But the point I was struggling to make was not related to GWTW as such, it was this: Large things that are noticable to people who pay even a little bit of attention should be payed attention to.
As to the timeline, check it out here [startrek.com].
And what were you thinking about when you say that is in a different timeline that the rest of the series?
(This must have been what you ment, sice if it was a different timelime from OUR time, that hardly is an excuse for making continuity differences with regards to other series)
Frankly you come off as a know-it-all kid loudly boasting he can do something better - what have you done?
You see things as you are. I stated my belief that if I had been hired to keep continuity I would be able to master that job (unless obstructed by someone higher up the ladder).
And since I assume the people actually working with the stuff would be, if not better qualified then at least much more experienced, and since there obviously isn't that high a regard for continuity, it must be by design rather than oversight.
How you wish to intrepret that belief is entirely up to you.
...when you think its a totally pathetic piece of brain dead crap, which is almost entirly unoriginal and totally non inventive with the sole exception of the totally over the top far out visuals, which appear to be aimed at the bubblegum generation.
The only thing i really liked was the intro to season 1
You are aware there's now an entire alternative timeline established for Enterprise? Check out whatever the official website is; it's all there and no it doesn't match up directly to anything before it.
WHAT! No, I most certainly aren't aware that it is a new alternative timelime - if that's true my opinion of Berman has fallen even lower... but its so outrageous that I refuse to believe it, unless you can point to a specific OFFICIAL page which quotes that information.
That there is a temporal element has been known for a while, it has prompted fans to speculate about "retconning" (retroactive continuity) running rampant, but i've seen no offical words to that effect.
However I doubt everything ever could be made to match up perfectly. Over the past 30 years a vast amount of material has been created and much of it is already contradictory (apparently random dates, contradictory locations, elevators going to random floors, events out of sequence, the "Klingon makeover", etc.)
Somethings probably can't be salvaged, (because of previous sloppy continuity), and there are things we shouldn't try to salvage - like the klingon makeover. Obviously that's just technical improvements and any explanation would probably be rather lame (I've never heard a sufficiently good retconning on that score, but it might come along one day... you never know). But this doesn't mean that there isn't a vast area of things which CAN be coordinated if you care (they should put Mike Okuda on the job, I suspect he would do a good job).
Finally apparently you haven't been watching films too closely either. There are numerous continuity errors in GWTW as there are in any production. Watch Dorothy's braids (and bosom) in the Wizard of Oz if you want to really laugh!
I fail to see any relevance.
I guess we can't all be as perfect as you.
That's your inferiority complex talking.
Two things:
1. You americans should try and get over your moral righteousness, here in Denmark there is that much nonsense about it: If a kid wants to buy porn, who's gonna stop him? (sure the parents might try, but the law wont) But guess what? They are not that interested when the adults to try to make it this very big guilty secret. They are more interested in cheat codes for the latest game.
2. I'm not going to "borrow" any site him personal information(unless i was planning to subscribe to something) if they need that to let me in I ain't playing
We have a time traveling bad guy providing tech (some reports say 29th century alternate universe), and you expect time line consistency?
If I had been exec, yes - but since I'm not... no i guess we don't expect much in the way of consistency.
I like that the characters finally have a measure of humanity. They're occasionally noble, often shortsighted, easily amused and excited, sometimes brave, usually susceptible to blind predjudice, quarrelsome, hypocritical, and driven by baser instincts they usually dont try to understand. ... That is how people would really act, not as the insufferable, always correct robot that was Picard / Janeway.
That's because that's the excuse you and people like you use for not improving yourself. "That's the way real humans are" - crap - We could and shuld improve and grow up - but in order to do some one must WANT to - Picard was a perfectly obtainable goal if those who came before him and had a wish to improve themselves - of course its always easier to say "that's just the way we are" and blow up buildings.
Most leaders will always have more Shatner than Stewart in them.
Because most of them are hypocritical fools who are satisfied with being a child instead of growing truly up.
If its not there its because they chose not to put it there. According you your paragraphi s because they don't care about the exsisting fans, and just want to lure new dupes in by trying to make some action crap - but hey, Gene Roddenberry is dead- anything goes....
what a bunch of whiny bitches (Score:5)
by (arg!)Styopa (styopa@nospam.iname.com) on 5:37 27 September 2001 (#2356691)
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Fer chrissakes. "Hi there, we're the
"There wasn't any character development" : hey guys, this was a PILOT. Few pilots develop much characterwise, they have too much expositional ground to cover. Two hours is what, 80 pages of script? How much "development" can you cram into that without forcing it, AND still have time to show all the neato-whiz-bang special effects for which the series is famed? (And remember, they ARE trying to build a ~new~ audience, not just attract the old. The old will keep coming to con's and buying rubber vulcan ears forever.)
"How does armor plate go offline?" SOMEbody wasn't listening when they said that the armor POLARIZATION had gone off line.
Yeah you weren't listening - they didn't say that.
ST:NG took FIVE SEASONS to come up with ep's like "The Inner Light"
And one season to come up with "The Measure of a man
The rest of you, cripes, give it a season or two.
It should never take that long - the problem seems to be with the american tv making system: They don't WANT to make a choice, for fear of ratings loss, so they change a little bit in one direction, and check the ratings, then they change a little bit in another direction back and forth, until eventually they stick with something they think can't be improved or they daren't improve upon. Its not always plesant to watch.
Get over it. It's a TV show, not a coding textbook. Yes there will be inconsistencies and errors and who knows what else.
You get over it! If I see 'Gone with the wind' I don't expect Rhett Butler to be a giant in one scene, a midget in the next, a farm owner in one scene and german railroad worker in the next.
And it is the same: Some people (perhaps the wast majority) have the attention spam of a gnat, and can't remember much more than what happened during an hour. But some of us remember more than that, without even trying. And we get annoyed when the powers that be simply signal "we don't give a damn about you: Freak!".
I could maintain continuity - if they don't its because they can't be bothered. Nothing to feel sorry for, just sloppy work.
If Berman believed that everybody liked it, we would have seen more of an arc, he doesn't so we won't - don't hold your breath, is is not likely to become B5
TOS was the immature child, TNG then grew up to be the full mature human who had put away the childish things of today... if Enterprise is back to TOS i guess we have come full cirlce, and Enterprise is the senil old goat.
oh well,
Everybody knows this (unless they are very silly), but its amusing to try and se IF we can come up with a retcon that would actually make sense given the context. Of course I've yet to see such an explanation, but who knows, perhaps one day :o)
Why the hell is there always one in every crowd who drags that out???
NO!
Roddenberry did not setup to write "Wagon Train to the Stars"! That's what he TOLD the suits at the network, because he knew they just wouldn't get it, if he told them he wanted to make a show about the human condition.
Enough already.
Berman is so inept, he never seems to have understood Roddenberry or if he did he tries to avoid it (probably thinking it doesn't garner rating). But I think Bakula has great promise, he seems to understand the human condition much better, and if he actually has something to say about this production... it might, just might be possible to catch the lightning in the bottle again.
That name isn't mentioned on Sun's page - or does their search engine show such a product?
LOL
Countries declare war, not individuals or groups of individuals. An no country has said that they did this, Afghanistan has denied any involvemnt, and some of their people said that IF the US starts to bomb them they will declare a jihad against the US. If they are innocent and someone starts to bomb the shit out of them its understandable that they would be upset.
Nice to know there are some reasonable people out there as well.
How in the hell did "isolationist" come to mean "warmonger" in so many people's minds?
Because that kind of irrationality often means "they threaten our way of life, we better get them before the get us"
You hope - I thought the requirement to get elected was that one looked god on TV..
Just curious... :)
I.e. true.
Censorship is the institution, system, or practice of censoring
and Censoring is to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable
Wether or not the law allows them to do so is not relevant.
Hope you are all right.
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