That was the place to go for all sorts of A/UX help. It was a sad day when it went offline, though it seems a mirror is still available.
http://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/jagubox.gsfc.nas a. gov/pub/aux/
I still have my A/UX 3.0 CD's with the final 3.x update CD's, A/UX user guide and X manuals as well. I keep a Quadra 700 around in case I ever get nostalgic.
A/UX is the UNIX I ran my first Apache server on. I bought the A/UX CD's off of Usenet's AUX channel. I think Apache still has A/UX compiler diretives in it's source code, have'nt checked lately.
Apple created an amazing flavor of Unix with A/UX. It ran OS 7.1 as a process, integrated some nice BSD type features into it's SVR2 core and then added a bunch of Apple extras that made administration quite handy.
I think A/UX was reflective of something happening in Apple, mostly lead by Jobs. At the time Apple had worked with Sun on developing a Unix with an Apple UI, but Apple backed out. However, when Steve jobs was forced out of Apple he went and started NeXT, basicaly a Unixy Mac. Then Steve comes back to Apple and we have OSX. Not exactly sure what it all means but Apple spent a long time with what was basicaly OS 7 while Steve Jobs had become a Unix head. Apple had an opportunity to really do something special with A/UX but several factors got in their way, mainly themselves and AT&T licensing I'm sure. BSD got them out of the licensing bind.
DVORAK is about more than just speed of typing, it also helps with fatigue by reducing the need for fingers to travel. It may help reduce typing related syndromes, but thats just a guess. Also just plain old application of logic to the task at hand, I mean querty is pretty poorly layed out for computer typing in the English language. The right pinky rests on a semi-colon for instance.
I agree that the benefits are marginal if your not a touch typist though.
His statement that IE is already on the system actually works against him. Microsoft put IE on the system to fill a need, which appariently is not being filled or else nobody would actually bother to download Firefox. So what Gates is saying really is that "People are still downloading Firefox _even though_ IE is on their system too". Ouch!
Now there is always the wiz bang factor and the cool feeling of getting something for nothing that may be driving people to download the now highly promoted Firefox. But from what I have been seeing anyway once people do install the product they are surprised and pleased by it and IE starts to look a bit long in the tooth feature wise.
This is what is known as a "negative external" in economic lingo.
Basicaly, Microsoft does not care about the costs of security because it does not effect it's bottom line. The costs are "external" to MS.
So, why does the government (meaning we, the people...) allow MS to cost industry, government and citizens billions of dollars without sanction? If this was Exxon spilling oil all over baby seals they would have to pay (a fraction) of the clean up costs and get all sorts of bad PR. With MS it's just Busines as Usuall.
The quote you were confused about was my own. I was saying, if you want help, say something like this "...". I didn't mean that you said it, it was just confusing because I was using the " to quote you as well as a general quoting mechanism. My head hurts.
Anyway, if you are consistantly getting rude remarks from the "OS community" I would be very surprise. I find people generaly quite helpful. There do seem to be a lot of self styled help forums that don't seem to ever help anyone. Dunno. Better luck in the future I guess.
"This is the attitude that needs adjusting in people who regard themselves as OS evangelists."
The attitude that needs adjusting is peoples unwillingness to learn and be self sefficiant. OSS is not about gratis software as much as it is about having access to the underlying machanics so that you can experiment and learn. If you want "supported" software then go use commercial proprietary software. Their support is just fantastic.
Finding out what RTFM means is probobly the easiest thing any one could do and is a great first step in understanding what OS is all about. It's right out in the open, no secret richuals or handshakes needed.
"Well, if you agree with what the grand-parent said, you should stop using it."
I don't use it, as I said. If I wanted to use it I would find it and turn it on. One of the things that people don't seem to understand about being independently resourcesful is that there are ancilary benefits that come along with it. This is one of the lessons of RTFM. As the parent poster said, if you really want that feature, it does exist, go find it. If you were to actually go looking, you would find, I'm sure, dozens of additional things that FireFox does that you would not have otherwise known about. It's the fruits of curiosity and self sufficients. If, after looking yourself you really can't find the feature then post back and say something like:
"I looked all through the prefs and couldn't find any settings that looked like they were correct. I tried searching the web to no avail. The docs that come with FireFox don't mention this either. I'm using FirFox 9.3 downloaded from Mozilla.org on Mandrake 10.0. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks."
You need to show people that you care, or why should they?
I'm not going to argue against you to strongle because ultimatly the cooperation you are suggesting should be the norm. However, you need to understand that people who "know" get bombarded with questions and requests from lazy self rightious idiots all the time. It can get very tiring, not that I would know first hand though;-).
Anyway, the original posters point was that the "feature" was better left set to off. Who knows, they may be doing you a favor, maybe their real smart. The poster did take the time to mention that there indeed is a feature in FireFox, so if it means that much to you, seek and ye shall find. That information alone is worth quite a bit.
"And people wonder why users are afraid of the open source community - if it's to succeed, some of the people within it really need to grow out of this kind of attitude."
Microsoft has created a lot of bad habbits that people cling to like vice. Open source is not trying to replicate those bad habbits in order to make it convenient for all the MS crack heads to switch. One of the fundamental tennents of the OS community is RTFM. Not to be mean or elitist it's just that the purpose of the OS community does not necessarily include being a help desk for people who are to lazy or ignorant to look through the documentation, search the web or generaly try to be self sufficiant users of technology.
As it happens I don't know how to enable that feature either, and I'm not going to go looking for it. Maybe, since you do want it enabled you could go do a little research yourself and get back to us.
One of the things I have found usefull using this method is that you can make these backups available, read only, to the users of a system. So if they fsck something up they can go get a backup copy themselves without having to have an admin untar anything or locate the proper backup tape/whatever.
Also, this script is set to hourly because of the parent post. But you can have several schedules running, hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, etc...
I use the following shell script to create hourly backups using rsync. It was taken from a very nice tutorial called something like "easy automated backups using rsync". Google should find it.
Ad the script to an hourly cron cycle. All the backups will take only ORIGINAL_SIZE + CHANGED_FILES_SIZE. This script does 9 backups spanning nine hours into the past. Or days, or weeks or whatever you set your cron cycle to.
You can restore from backups simply by copying the desired file from one of the bak.n dirs. Of course, subversion or CVS will give you nice backups as well but this is pretty easy to do.
If anyone has any suggestions for improving the script, please reply!:)
"What's that? You like Macs better? Good for you! Buy one for your home use. With the same money, we'll buy two or three of ours."
So because you like Windows, and you cliam that Windows systems are 3 times cheaper than Macs, then anyone who likes Macs should have to conform to using a Windows system. You are quantitatively wrong about the cost of Macs and qualitativley wrong about forcing everyone to use the same tools. Schools should offer the tools neccesary for people to learn effectivly. Not make bull headed pronouncements based on some status quo.
"Sure, I'd love schools to run more linux, but then they'd have to spend more time and resources supporting the dumb users because they cant find the damn start button."
I doubt it. We have a school locally where I live that has gone completely Linux using LTSP, saved a bundle and have provided more computers than they could have any other way. All this while making things "single click" easy for the novice user.
The argument about Windows being easy for the computer novice is quite simply a lie. I don't know what usability studies are claiming other wise but here in the Real World people barely know how to launch applications in Windows, let alone "use" Windows. Windows is a miserable usability wreck for the novice and a contraint for the advanced user. A Windows mono culture has proven to be dangerous time and again.
Have some Windows machiens around if you need them, but don't advocate one tool fits all. It's just arrogant.
Loook, not to beat a dead thread here but it's breaking and entering, probably a federal offense and some other laws specificaly designed to protect sensitive areas. It is not terrorism. It would certainly have not been terrorism before 911.
No, it does not. It makes you a trespasser and liable to be charged with unlawful entry, breaking and entering if locks were forced, etc. Terrorist is just the flavour de jour of Goodwins Law.
"I'll give you three guesses where the guy that wrote BeFS works now"
Not to mention where Be got it's start. Apple has been the nexus for a tremedous amount of inovation that the "industry" copies shamelessly. Apple begat both NeXT and Be and is now reaping the benefits. Their just an odd company. Steve Jobs had to leave Apple in order to save it.
"btw the fact that you linked to that article shows how little you know about ATI's linux support."
You are right, I don't know much about ATI's support for Linux, only what rumor and innuendo seem to float around the Internet. That article was a random pick from a wealth of Google results. I do notice however that accelerated ATI drivers will install directly from a distribution (such as fedora) where as NVidia drivers are a secondary download do to licensing. As I understoof it, the ATI drivers are developed mostly by the Open Source community where as the NVidia drivers are binary only from Nvidia.
Anyway, I don't want to nock NVidia at all. I have actually only ever used NVidia myself. It just seemed that the original poster was saying that it would be great if NVidia opened their specs. I was simply stating that I think ATI has actully done that, but I don't know if it has made a difference in the areas he was commenting on.
"Add to that, you can't just blame Bush for "po-poing" it for 8 months, you must also blame Clinton for "po-poing" it for 8 years."
I would have no problmen blaiming Clinton for anything he was responsible for. This is not a tit-for-tat left/right pubs vs. dems issue.
"Being president is not a 24-7 job."
No kidding. And for Bush it was appariently hardly a job at all.
I agree with your stand on the opinionated statements, to a point. Opinion is not random, it is formed from a limitted set of possobilities defined within the human state. The majority of "The World" did not find Bush's speech good. Only a subset of the world, and a section of a very tramatised American population.
"Nothing can overcome systemic deficiencies."
Ok, so your either a troll or ignorant of how anything gets done in extraordinary situations. You know nothing about the need and process for planning. And once again know nothing about how the best laid plans are actually implemented. Also, you know nothing about history and military science. The first thing that happens when you engage "the enemy" is that all your plans go out the window. From then on it's about information, adaptation, speed and leadeship.
ATI has been "full supporters" of Linux for many years now.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5141
Are you familiar with ATI's support for native X calls? Why try and squeeze water from a stone when their is a company that is fully committed to Linux already?
As for graphics workstation, we use Linux thin clients at my office and I would like to get accelerated graphics running on them. But like you say, it requires that the card support the native calls in order to be effective. Your comments regarding xv have me woundering if the new drivers would speed up the Mozilla Flash plugin, which is a CPU and bandwidth hog.
Look. If you are satisfied with the way Bush handled the 9/11 attack than who am I to try and argue over things like facts. Bush and his incoming team po-po'd Clintons anti-terror experts when the warned him about Al-Quaida. Bush spent months on vacation after taking office. During the crisis he was MIA. His televised speech that night was a joke. He looked frightened, couldn't decide if he should cry, flee, or what. He was at a total loss and so was his staff. It was only when he spoke to the joint session of Congress that he regained his composure.
The previous poster hit the nail on the head regarding leadership: it can overcome systemic defficiancies. Bush was totally incapable doing this.
One thing I find amazing is the incredible responses people give whenever Noam Chomsky's name is brought up in a discusion. As for invoking his name on Slashdot, I anticipated _your_ response, not some worshipful acquiescence.
And if they scrambled aircraft quicker, maybe they could have shot down the second or third. My point is that time matters. I doubt sitting stunned for 7 minutes is standard opporating procedure in this case. Bush looked and was completely unaible to deal with the catastrophy. It was only after the Satte of the Union ( or special session of congress, with Tony Blar, I forget) that he regained composure.
Slashdot Mirror
That was the place to go for all sorts of A/UX help. It was a sad day when it went offline, though it seems a mirror is still available.
s a. gov/pub/aux/
http://mirror.apple.com/mirrors/jagubox.gsfc.na
I still have my A/UX 3.0 CD's with the final 3.x update CD's, A/UX user guide and X manuals as well. I keep a Quadra 700 around in case I ever get nostalgic.
A/UX is the UNIX I ran my first Apache server on. I bought the A/UX CD's off of Usenet's AUX channel. I think Apache still has A/UX compiler diretives in it's source code, have'nt checked lately.
Apple created an amazing flavor of Unix with A/UX. It ran OS 7.1 as a process, integrated some nice BSD type features into it's SVR2 core and then added a bunch of Apple extras that made administration quite handy.
I think A/UX was reflective of something happening in Apple, mostly lead by Jobs. At the time Apple had worked with Sun on developing a Unix with an Apple UI, but Apple backed out. However, when Steve jobs was forced out of Apple he went and started NeXT, basicaly a Unixy Mac. Then Steve comes back to Apple and we have OSX. Not exactly sure what it all means but Apple spent a long time with what was basicaly OS 7 while Steve Jobs had become a Unix head. Apple had an opportunity to really do something special with A/UX but several factors got in their way, mainly themselves and AT&T licensing I'm sure. BSD got them out of the licensing bind.
Kind Regards
I agree that the benefits are marginal if your not a touch typist though.
Kind Regards
His statement that IE is already on the system actually works against him. Microsoft put IE on the system to fill a need, which appariently is not being filled or else nobody would actually bother to download Firefox. So what Gates is saying really is that "People are still downloading Firefox _even though_ IE is on their system too". Ouch!
Now there is always the wiz bang factor and the cool feeling of getting something for nothing that may be driving people to download the now highly promoted Firefox. But from what I have been seeing anyway once people do install the product they are surprised and pleased by it and IE starts to look a bit long in the tooth feature wise.
Kind Regards
This is what is known as a "negative external" in economic lingo.
Basicaly, Microsoft does not care about the costs of security because it does not effect it's bottom line. The costs are "external" to MS.
So, why does the government (meaning we, the people...) allow MS to cost industry, government and citizens billions of dollars without sanction? If this was Exxon spilling oil all over baby seals they would have to pay (a fraction) of the clean up costs and get all sorts of bad PR. With MS it's just Busines as Usuall.
Kind Regards
The quote you were confused about was my own. I was saying, if you want help, say something like this "...". I didn't mean that you said it, it was just confusing because I was using the " to quote you as well as a general quoting mechanism. My head hurts.
Anyway, if you are consistantly getting rude remarks from the "OS community" I would be very surprise. I find people generaly quite helpful. There do seem to be a lot of self styled help forums that don't seem to ever help anyone. Dunno. Better luck in the future I guess.
Kind Regards
"This is the attitude that needs adjusting in people who regard themselves as OS evangelists."
The attitude that needs adjusting is peoples unwillingness to learn and be self sefficiant. OSS is not about gratis software as much as it is about having access to the underlying machanics so that you can experiment and learn. If you want "supported" software then go use commercial proprietary software. Their support is just fantastic.
Finding out what RTFM means is probobly the easiest thing any one could do and is a great first step in understanding what OS is all about. It's right out in the open, no secret richuals or handshakes needed.
"Well, if you agree with what the grand-parent said, you should stop using it."
I don't use it, as I said. If I wanted to use it I would find it and turn it on. One of the things that people don't seem to understand about being independently resourcesful is that there are ancilary benefits that come along with it. This is one of the lessons of RTFM. As the parent poster said, if you really want that feature, it does exist, go find it. If you were to actually go looking, you would find, I'm sure, dozens of additional things that FireFox does that you would not have otherwise known about. It's the fruits of curiosity and self sufficients. If, after looking yourself you really can't find the feature then post back and say something like:
"I looked all through the prefs and couldn't find any settings that looked like they were correct. I tried searching the web to no avail. The docs that come with FireFox don't mention this either. I'm using FirFox 9.3 downloaded from Mozilla.org on Mandrake 10.0. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks."
You need to show people that you care, or why should they?
Kind Regards
I'm not going to argue against you to strongle because ultimatly the cooperation you are suggesting should be the norm. However, you need to understand that people who "know" get bombarded with questions and requests from lazy self rightious idiots all the time. It can get very tiring, not that I would know first hand though ;-).
Anyway, the original posters point was that the "feature" was better left set to off. Who knows, they may be doing you a favor, maybe their real smart. The poster did take the time to mention that there indeed is a feature in FireFox, so if it means that much to you, seek and ye shall find. That information alone is worth quite a bit.
Kind Regards
"And people wonder why users are afraid of the open source community - if it's to succeed, some of the people within it really need to grow out of this kind of attitude."
Microsoft has created a lot of bad habbits that people cling to like vice. Open source is not trying to replicate those bad habbits in order to make it convenient for all the MS crack heads to switch. One of the fundamental tennents of the OS community is RTFM. Not to be mean or elitist it's just that the purpose of the OS community does not necessarily include being a help desk for people who are to lazy or ignorant to look through the documentation, search the web or generaly try to be self sufficiant users of technology.
As it happens I don't know how to enable that feature either, and I'm not going to go looking for it. Maybe, since you do want it enabled you could go do a little research yourself and get back to us.
Kind Regards
One of the things I have found usefull using this method is that you can make these backups available, read only, to the users of a system. So if they fsck something up they can go get a backup copy themselves without having to have an admin untar anything or locate the proper backup tape/whatever.
Also, this script is set to hourly because of the parent post. But you can have several schedules running, hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, etc...
Kind Regards
Thanks for the reply. This looks promising.
Kind Regards
Thanks for the link. I will check it out!
I use the following shell script to create hourly backups using rsync. It was taken from a very nice tutorial called something like "easy automated backups using rsync". Google should find it.
:)
o ther/dir/partition/or/system
Ad the script to an hourly cron cycle. All the backups will take only ORIGINAL_SIZE + CHANGED_FILES_SIZE. This script does 9 backups spanning nine hours into the past. Or days, or weeks or whatever you set your cron cycle to.
You can restore from backups simply by copying the desired file from one of the bak.n dirs. Of course, subversion or CVS will give you nice backups as well but this is pretty easy to do.
If anyone has any suggestions for improving the script, please reply!
#!/bin/bash
SOURCE=/home/someuser
DEST=/some/
rm -rf $DEST/bak.9
mv $DEST/bak.8 $DEST/bak.9
mv $DEST/bak.7 $DEST/bak.8
mv $DEST/bak.6 $DEST/bak.7
mv $DEST/bak.5 $DEST/bak.6
mv $DEST/bak.4 $DEST/bak.5
mv $DEST/bak.3 $DEST/bak.4
mv $DEST/bak.2 $DEST/bak.3
mv $DEST/bak.1 $DEST/bak.2
mv $DEST/bak.0 $DEST/bak.1
rsync -a --delete --link-dest=$DEST/bak.1 $SOURCE $DEST/bak.0
# End script
and people have actually followed through on murdering abortion clinic physicians. Not to mention real harrasment and bombings.
Also note that an elected official is a public official. A clinical physician is a private citizen.
The intent of Indymedia is to get people involved in the political process.
In short, the two do not equate.
Kind Regards
"What's that? You like Macs better? Good for you! Buy one for your home use. With the same money, we'll buy two or three of ours."
So because you like Windows, and you cliam that Windows systems are 3 times cheaper than Macs, then anyone who likes Macs should have to conform to using a Windows system. You are quantitatively wrong about the cost of Macs and qualitativley wrong about forcing everyone to use the same tools. Schools should offer the tools neccesary for people to learn effectivly. Not make bull headed pronouncements based on some status quo.
"Sure, I'd love schools to run more linux, but then they'd have to spend more time and resources supporting the dumb users because they cant find the damn start button."
I doubt it. We have a school locally where I live that has gone completely Linux using LTSP, saved a bundle and have provided more computers than they could have any other way. All this while making things "single click" easy for the novice user.
The argument about Windows being easy for the computer novice is quite simply a lie. I don't know what usability studies are claiming other wise but here in the Real World people barely know how to launch applications in Windows, let alone "use" Windows. Windows is a miserable usability wreck for the novice and a contraint for the advanced user. A Windows mono culture has proven to be dangerous time and again.
Have some Windows machiens around if you need them, but don't advocate one tool fits all. It's just arrogant.
Kind Regards
Loook, not to beat a dead thread here but it's breaking and entering, probably a federal offense and some other laws specificaly designed to protect sensitive areas. It is not terrorism. It would certainly have not been terrorism before 911.
It's also easier to pick the app you want via the command line when you can just k...
"That makes you a terrorist."
No, it does not. It makes you a trespasser and liable to be charged with unlawful entry, breaking and entering if locks were forced, etc. Terrorist is just the flavour de jour of Goodwins Law.
"I'll give you three guesses where the guy that wrote BeFS works now"
Not to mention where Be got it's start. Apple has been the nexus for a tremedous amount of inovation that the "industry" copies shamelessly. Apple begat both NeXT and Be and is now reaping the benefits. Their just an odd company. Steve Jobs had to leave Apple in order to save it.
Kind Regards
"btw the fact that you linked to that article shows how little you know about ATI's linux support."
You are right, I don't know much about ATI's support for Linux, only what rumor and innuendo seem to float around the Internet. That article was a random pick from a wealth of Google results. I do notice however that accelerated ATI drivers will install directly from a distribution (such as fedora) where as NVidia drivers are a secondary download do to licensing. As I understoof it, the ATI drivers are developed mostly by the Open Source community where as the NVidia drivers are binary only from Nvidia.
Anyway, I don't want to nock NVidia at all. I have actually only ever used NVidia myself. It just seemed that the original poster was saying that it would be great if NVidia opened their specs. I was simply stating that I think ATI has actully done that, but I don't know if it has made a difference in the areas he was commenting on.
Kind Regards
"Add to that, you can't just blame Bush for "po-poing" it for 8 months, you must also blame Clinton for "po-poing" it for 8 years."
I would have no problmen blaiming Clinton for anything he was responsible for. This is not a tit-for-tat left/right pubs vs. dems issue.
"Being president is not a 24-7 job."
No kidding. And for Bush it was appariently hardly a job at all.
I agree with your stand on the opinionated statements, to a point. Opinion is not random, it is formed from a limitted set of possobilities defined within the human state. The majority of "The World" did not find Bush's speech good. Only a subset of the world, and a section of a very tramatised American population.
"Nothing can overcome systemic deficiencies."
Ok, so your either a troll or ignorant of how anything gets done in extraordinary situations. You know nothing about the need and process for planning. And once again know nothing about how the best laid plans are actually implemented. Also, you know nothing about history and military science. The first thing that happens when you engage "the enemy" is that all your plans go out the window. From then on it's about information, adaptation, speed and leadeship.
Kind Regards
ATI has been "full supporters" of Linux for many years now.
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http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=514
Are you familiar with ATI's support for native X calls? Why try and squeeze water from a stone when their is a company that is fully committed to Linux already?
As for graphics workstation, we use Linux thin clients at my office and I would like to get accelerated graphics running on them. But like you say, it requires that the card support the native calls in order to be effective. Your comments regarding xv have me woundering if the new drivers would speed up the Mozilla Flash plugin, which is a CPU and bandwidth hog.
Kind Regards
Look. If you are satisfied with the way Bush handled the 9/11 attack than who am I to try and argue over things like facts. Bush and his incoming team po-po'd Clintons anti-terror experts when the warned him about Al-Quaida. Bush spent months on vacation after taking office. During the crisis he was MIA. His televised speech that night was a joke. He looked frightened, couldn't decide if he should cry, flee, or what. He was at a total loss and so was his staff. It was only when he spoke to the joint session of Congress that he regained his composure.
The previous poster hit the nail on the head regarding leadership: it can overcome systemic defficiancies. Bush was totally incapable doing this.
Kind Regards
"Nome Chomsky is not God"
One thing I find amazing is the incredible responses people give whenever Noam Chomsky's name is brought up in a discusion. As for invoking his name on Slashdot, I anticipated _your_ response, not some worshipful acquiescence.
Kind Regards
Yes, thanks. Noam. heh.
And if they scrambled aircraft quicker, maybe they could have shot down the second or third. My point is that time matters. I doubt sitting stunned for 7 minutes is standard opporating procedure in this case. Bush looked and was completely unaible to deal with the catastrophy. It was only after the Satte of the Union ( or special session of congress, with Tony Blar, I forget) that he regained composure.
Kind Regards