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Tiger Slideshow: Pretty Mac OS X Pictures
RAMMS+EIN writes with a good followup to the recent WWDC preview of Tiger, the next version of OS X. "eWeek has a slideshow illustrating some of Tiger's new features with screenshots. For a textual description, you can visit Apple's Tiger page."
Theeeere GREAT!
Bah, screenshots. Why, in MY day all we had was a command line. AND WE WERE GLAD!
Sparkly stuff!!!
The Cheese Stands Alone.
anyone else hate the new look of the menu bar?
This looks really nice. Heck I never play games anymore so that would be the only thing stopping me from switching. All I do is email, internet, documents and other related items.
I am seriously looking at getting a mac with this new OS.
People that use Linux don't like to pay for software or deal with adware and shareware, so they have free second rate versions instead.
People on Macs actually pay for software, so Mac software (of you can afford to keep up) outclasses that of of the competition.
Apple also makes more software than Microsoft, and OSX comes with more free high quality tools. All that power in an OS and it still comes with a real comand shell. For the small market share Apple has, they seem to be doing a fine job of producing quality software.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
I'd been thinking about this for years - having a "SQL" like file system - and now Mac are in bringing it to the masses! Well, close anyway.. Spotlight uses metadata from all the files on your system to help you easily locate (search) for what you are after, no matter what type of info it is (contact, or PDF, or text file..)
:'(
You can seem from some of the pics on the page shown just how easy it will be to use spotlight. . At the top of every finder window - type the "keywords" and you're there.. Being able to store your "searches" will make this *really* powerful..
Once Tiger comes out I'm seriously considering moving to a Mac platform.. . I never thought I'd see the day...
Looks like you can turn on and off a private browsing feature.
Sure beats creating a second firefox profile and clearing all your privacy info just to go surfing for pr0n...
heh. Apple know pr0n is what everyone really uses the internet for... Private Surfing Mode
i don't read slashdot anymore.
The Mac is now workable for any type of task... it's *that* fast... but it's still not where XP is.
||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.
OK, of the many people that always post saying something about how you only need a command line, or how web sites are all bloated and should only have text:
how many of you looked at the screenshot page, and how many clicked only on the "textual description"?
Yeah you can have your Jugo, that's all you need ....
Like 64bit support, and the return of metadata. While Tiger is sure to boast some nice GUI improvements, such as Dashboard, some of its greatest strengths are not visible in pictures.
Jaguar seemed pretty polished to me, and Panther is simply the bomb. Tiger, I think, is going to be utterly and undeniably HOT. And consider this: It's not coming out for probably almost another year, and MANY more goodies will likely be unveiled in that time.
Who said Apple was really just a hardware company? I don't think so -- they are a computer company, and that means hardware and software, at least as far as they're concerned. And the synergy is simply amazing.
Those are all great, but to me, I want to know if Tiger has another "new feature": Does it make my computer feel faster?
Pretty much every previous release of MacOS X has brought speed improvements, and I want to know if Tiger will continue that tradition. Not all of us can afford G5s at the moment, and a speed increase would really make it shelling out another 80 bucks or so (.edu discount) worth it.
WARNING: If accidentally read, induce vomiting.
The most interesting thing is that this is the third Mac OS X release to include more than 150 new features.
Apple is already anticipating Microsoft will copy them, just check out the Shirts from WWDC!
Also notice how little features each windows released comes with, even though they are released every 3 years. Well according to MS 'longhorn' will be more stable, of course only if you have 2 gigs of RAM.
I haven't used a Mac much but some of the new features that they have been announcing are really interesting. I'm glad to see them continuing to be innovative. I really like the look of Dashboard as I am a big fan of gdesklets and from what I can see it looks very similar. I prefer Linux on my desktop but because of Apples great integration with Java and all these new features the next laptop I buy is definitely shaping up to be a Powerbook.
It's pretty easy to remove applications you don't want. Don't like iPhoto? Drag is from the Applications folder to the Trash.
Also, it's not like we don't have oodles of disk space now. Just don't open the apps you don't intend to use.
How is Dashboard better than dedicating one virtual desktop to these "applets"? Just leave an xcalc/bc, evolution, gkrellm, xmms and whatever other junk you like open on one virtual desktop, and you can switch with a hotkey.
Why make distinction between applications and "applets"? In the pre-multifinder days they had little choice, DA's were basically the only wat to multitask on a Mac. What use are DA's in 2005?
If you do decide to get a Mac, make sure to pump it full of RAM. I'd say 512 MB is a good amount, but nothing less, certainly not the stock 256 stick.
WARNING: If accidentally read, induce vomiting.
Not trolling--a real question. If you decide to whack iPhoto, then change your mind, do you have to do a complete reinstall to get it back, or can you just copy it from your install CD?
Bah, CLI?! Why, in MY day all we had were punch-cards. AND WE WERE GLAD to be rid of patch-boards and blinkenlights!
The search engine is based on OSS.
Lasko systems has had a Flash Dashboard for awhile.
Wake me up when the iMac G5s get here.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
" Bah, screenshots. Why, in MY day all we had was a command line. AND WE WERE GLAD!"
Of course you were glad. Hands got tired of flipping toggle switches.
If I used OSX I'd want a minimual install option
If you used OS X, you'd know that such an option already exists. Just click on the "advanced install" button and deselect the packages you don't want. Couldn't be simpler.
Lost: Sig, white with black letters. No collar. Reward if found!
seems to me apple is putting out quite a few new upgrades. yeah for progress!!, but why not include these for free? what if MSFT charged for service packs, what would we think? it seems these are little more than service packs? and whats up with the 100 mb downloads for OS X updates? i like apple, but they are making me mad these days.
The easiest thing would be to have an option not to install the stuff I don't want. Why should I have to drag and drop hundreds of icons to the trash can? Think of the time I have to waste to do that.
Well then USE the option not to install the stuff you don't want when you install OSX. That's what it's there for.
"I moderated you down because I hate Linux"
It's really quite funny that the blatant flamewars are just starting to come out right in the open. It's good for a laugh.
>Games on the PC are a different animal, the rate of piracy is much lower.
I'm not sure about that one. I know a *lot* of people who regularly and methodically pirate all their games for their friends
I think software piracy across all fields is pretty rampant, to be honest. Although, I have never been spammed with ads for 'cheap' games like I do for applications (you know the ones, "Legitimate Software!" $50 for anything), and the markup for real pirates is probably much higher on apps, so you do certainly have a point.
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
-- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
Redundant. The word is redundant.
Not trolling--a real question. If you decide to whack iPhoto, then change your mind, do you have to do a complete reinstall to get it back, or can you just copy it from your install CD?
.deb or .rpms (ok it's a vague resemblance, but it's the closest thing for a quick explanation). Doubleclick the package, and that package installs.
The install CD contains packages much like
They're not quite as discrete as linux packages though - many sets of utils are grouped together - but there's still a good few dozen of them in total that you can pick through.
If you really need to just install one app, you can use a utility such as Pacifist, which will pull any package into its subpackages, and you can install those.
are the main reason I come to /. (that and getting my daily fix of adolescent bravado!). Slashdot is and always has been a comedy website.
Private surfing mode is not the only is the great pr0n surfing feature in Tiger. During the keynote, to introduce devs to Automator, the presenter built a script to "download all the pictures over a certain size" from a webpage.
Heh
Seriously the pipeline goes Address Book --> Mail Merge --> Group Mailer.
WTF?
Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting. :)
Thanks! So some of the apps are bundled, and it seems like Pacifist functions (sort of) like 98Lite did for Windows.
Am I the only one who finds interesting subtext in the fact that the shirts Apple gave out only came in Large?
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
Now I know that this is an early beta, earlier than Panther was when it was previewed last year. Everything could change before Tiger's gold release. But could it be that the folks at Apple consider Aqua's style to be more or less finished?
Tiger looked really neat, especially the search/metadata functions, but the most amazing display at WWDC was this:
:)
Two 30" 2560x1900 widescreen displays being driven by a new custom Nvidia 6800 Ultra
It looked practical too, there was a demo with Final Cut Pro running with several tools up on the right, and the HD video up on the left. Seemed like a pretty useful setup.
I checked, and a "nicely equipped" dual monitor dual g5 came up to just under $12,000 on the apple store. Seems like a lot to most of us, but that's chump change for a high-quality HD video editing kit.
Also, I got about 50fps on Unreal Tournament 2004 running at 2560x1900 with all settings at maximum.
- "When you want something with all your heart, the entire universe conspires to give it to you" -Paulo Coelho
That doesn't have pr0n surfing written all over it or anything. Apple is looking out for it's users, yeseree bob. They figger if the husband gets caught, then the wife will get a divorce, and then the hubby can afford no more Apple. Good thinking.
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CEE5210S The signal SIGHUP was received.
My computer got 25% faster between 10.2 and 10.3. That's a service pack?
Windows 2000 = WinNT 5.0
Windows XP = WinNT 5.1
Is that a service pack too?
Yeah, I know, don't feed the trolls...
From what the parent said, I think Pacifist is more like an extraction utility to isolate and use parts of a package... think of Microsoft's CAB file format. Please, Mac people, correct me if I'm wrong (which is very probable!)
Also, try the Pacifist site for more info.
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
-- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.
Correct. An oxymoron is something like "interesting FP" or "quiet flamewar" or "entertaining flamebait"
Unless they were actually suggesting that all apple users are, in fact, not 'faggots'. Now, I'm no homophobe, but that is definitely not true.
Thanks to those screenshots my entire keyboard is now covered with drool!
Bah old news, see the live video demo of the WWDC 04 Keynotere-broadcast!
note: click on "Watch Now"!
But the difference is in multitasking. I can do MANY MORE THINGS simultaneously on my macs (G4 tower 466, G3 iBook 900) than on any of my XP boxen (up to 2.7GHz). Start a few downloads, run a virus scan, and windows update, and the machine screeches to a halt, with even the cursor lagging at times.
On my macs, I can do all of the above, and then some, and STILL perceive the same responsiveness level.
That, to me, makes a HUGE difference.
Maybe that's because Apple hasn't repeatedly abused the trust of its users and its software doesn't call home without the user's knowlege or consent?
CEE5210S The signal SIGHUP was received.
for those of us who were able to dl a copy of the DVD, does anyone have any info on how to make a bootable DVD and install it.
Honestly, WTF is the difference ... I don't see anything different ....
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Either way, I'm not sure what you mean by the time you have to waste dragging and dropping icons; All the applications installed by default are in /Applications, it will take literally 3 seconds to drop whatever you don't want. It doesn't seem horrible onerous to spend a few seconds to reclaim that 50 megs or whatever.
Why is everyone so concerned with searching for files these days? I honestly don't understand why database like file systems are major features of both Mac OS X and Longhorn. I guess it makes sense if you are talking about someone who is computer illiterate, someone who saves their files wherever the default location is and has no concept of file systems. But I don't think I've had to search for more than three files in the past year. That figure might be slightly affected by the fact that searching for files on Windows is quite slow, but if you just organize your files to start with I don't see what the problem is.
eye kandy only takes you so far. I dnld and used gDesklets for a time in Gnome, and later in XFCE4, but grew tired of em. I dnld and used Konfabulator for OSX, but quickly got tired of that, both ate up all my real-estate. now I'm stuck on Openbox; no widgets, no taskbar, no blinking clock, nothing, just a menu when you left click. simple and clean, I'm happy.
oh, and on a rant, b/c of a ram f-up, I had to run OSX with 128M ram for two weeks on my 800Mhz iBook. holy fuck talk about a slow system, I couldn't believe it. open firefox and adium, and then click and wait for iTunes to start. and I love seeing that rainbow beachball crap. anyway, point is OSX is a resource hog, as long as you know that going in, you're fine.
g'night
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MacNN Forums got it to 53 (with some cross references).
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Can someone complete it?
01. spotlight
02. ichat av video
03. ichat audio
04. ichat interface like itunes list
05. safari rss
06. dashboard
07. automator
08. voice over
09.
10. enhanced unix support
11. 64 bit os better 64 bit atvantage
12. xcode 2.0
13. system prefs stealth mode
14. firewall logging
15. block udp traffic
16. core video
17. core graphics
18. new quicktime cocoa
19. quicktime mpeg4 part 10 the h.264 avc
20. so metadata you could say
21. i heard safari is faster 2.0
22. mail is better with smart thingies
23. people say over all response is faster
24. new theme for overall appearance
25. no debug code
26. has a min requirirment for core image and video
27. all the windows integration
28. Dock menus contain option to remove items.
29. Help Viewer searches Apple KBase articles.
30. iChat has support for inline groups.
31. Support for profile editing in Chat.
32. Menu in iChat for quickly switching between accounts.
33. Share devices over the internet with
34. Mail - "Favorites" bar for mail folders.
35. Extra options in Mail compose window.
36. Mail - toggle automatic adding of iCal invites.
37. QuickTime - live resizing.
38. Safari - navigation in contextual menus.
39. Safari - copy image addresses from context. menu
40. Safari - add image to iPhoto by right-clicking
41. Finder - renaming items in sidebar
42. Context. menu for items in sidebar.
43. Setup Assistant - options for transferring files & settings between computers.
44. Finder - save search results as Smart Folders.
46. System-wide tabbed interface?
47. Considerably enhanced Dock?
48. Virtual workspaces in Exposé?
46. search in system prefs
47. new finder search
48. new system wide search
49. search is not limited to the apps it's in
50. search in mail
51. search in address book
52. ability to have spotlight intigrated with other apps
53. Coredata
Would be nice if it would somehow hide your IP-address from the pr0n sites... somehow.
I wish I had mod points right now...
Oh come on, mods... it was funny.
And that was a very extremely useful feature of BeOS. I'm glad the idea lives on in Tiger.
Oh yeah, and the under-the-hood shit they mentioned like ACLs is pretty exciting.
I hope you can access their "smart folders" as directories on the file system. That would make it possible to script all kinds of crazy and weird shit. Hell yeah.
Oh yeah, and one more thing. Their automator thing looks pretty awesome. Drag a bunch of events from a library of events into the damn thing, set some damn parameters, and you can save that setup if you want... it's kind of like scripting, but without any scripting syntax. Smart... very friggen smart.
Oooooooooooooooooooooh well.
Teach Me Tiger!
I like microcars
Except when you break critical apps by deselecting files that rely on them. For whatever reason, 10.3 didn't check for this. I run into this all the time when I'm formatting iBooks at my company.
Windows 2000 = WinNT 5.0
Windows XP Pro= WinNT 5.1
Windows XP Home=Windows ME + bug fixes + eye candy
Apple has released one update per year. The price for the full single user license is about 1/2 the price of the equivalent upgrade MS Windows License. For the same price of the windows product, I can fully license five machines on Mac OS.
And as far as CPU cycles. MS has always wasted those. It is a little game they play. Planned obsolence for hardware and software. something Apple only does when they change the fundementals in the OS.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
No, Windows XP Home = Windows NT 5.1
Pro and Home use identical kernels. The differences lie in a couple of packages not included, like domain support and remote desktop.
Apple hired a bunch of Be engineers when the company went out of business and the assets were sold to Palm. And amongst the people they hired is Dominic Giampaolo, designer of the Be File System. Now Mac OS and HFS+ are getting things like journaling and Query like features. It's quite nice. Apple seems to be getting the best of several worlds by buying NeXT and hiring lots of former Be people and Jordan Hubbard from FreeBSD.
No, it's beacuse Apple isn't a monopoly.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Perhaps the most significant improvement is what seems to be the integration (finally) of complete HFS+ file-system functionality into the mainstay command-line apps such as cp, tar, rsync etc:
It's been a long time coming, but I think finally we have a fully scriptable Mac at all levels of system administration.OOOooh ArchLinux aaaah aaaaah .... .. yes yeS ... ..
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... uh ??
.. Who put that box of Windows XP there??
Debian Wooody
Mmmmm Gentoo 2004 mmmm
Darling I told you to through that thing away!
Yes it did kill my mood! OK?
Sorry sweety - no more tonight - I got a headache. Night.
That is the first thing an OSX install does after intall - It calls home on the very first internet connection entering YOUR info into THEIR database.
Yes in this case they tell you but you cannot install without providing the info and you cannot opt out of having it sent as you can with microsquish. This is not saying something good about MS but something bad about Apple. How do they get you guys to blindly spin for them? OSX is clearly slow and you guys say it is fast... and on and on it goes. Your enthus
Yeah, it is karma whoring :)
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Please, please, please keep the torrent client up after you have downloaded.
Show me a serious gamer who uses a Mac. You can't. There aren't any.
And therefore we must be subjected to every minute piece of Apple information that is leaked out of Steve Jobs' pores all year long.
./ you implicitly waive your right to criticise Apple or question their greatness.
After all, you should realise that by reading
Read Pynchon.
I can run an absolute crapload of programs simultaneously with no noticeable slowdown on my XP machine. For instance, I can happily run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, IE, Mozilla, Filezilla, Winamp 5, Thunderbird, Privoxy, Sygate Personal Firewall and a few instances of explorer with absolutely no performance issues. Even with all that open, if I decide to jump in for a bit of Quake III or similar, it will run perfectly fine.
I would suggest that based on what you describe you have not taken the time to make sure your system is correctly configured and optimised to take best advantage of your hardware, or possibly that you are running loads of junk in the background that you don't really need.
Read Pynchon.
It can index your files to allow fast searches at any time if you want it to. This is called the 'Indexing Service.' Of course, when Windows does it, it's bloatware/feature creep/a waste of space/inefficient, but if it's in a Mac release then... oh.... oh yeah... oh steve!... oh goooooddd!!!!
Read Pynchon.
Expect it to be aluminium to match the new cinema screens. Optional LCD screen on anglepoise arm to take a cinema screen on it's VESA FDMI mount. The differentiator with the Power Mac lines? Single G5 versus dual proc G5, limited internal expansion amd lower clock speeds.
All IMHO.
'drool'...
I figure any app I use 2x+ per month for a year. That was about 7 years ago since then I've gotten free upgrades so they've never asked me for more money.
They didn't.
--R.J.
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But let's say everyone switched from Wintel PCs to the Mac platform. Wont we be slammed with viruses and spyware again thanks to the commonality of everyone using the same system?
I believe that depends on what you mean by "everyone." Do you mean 90% of the computers in the world begin running OS X, or do you mean a sizable number (say 25-50%) start using Macs? If 90% of the computers in the world start using Macs, that's quite probable; but the likelihood of anyone monopolizing the OS market the way MS has in the future is very unlikely. So, I suppose my answer to you is "probably not, though possibly."
Really I think you mentioned a keyword in your post -- "commonality." The immense amount of viruses and exploits out there today are because we're in a desktop monoculture. Take Apache vs. IIS as an example; Apache is the dominant web server, but IIS seems exploited more frequently. Apache probably is inherently more secure, and better audited, but the fact that there's other (perhaps more morally satisfying targets) turns people's attention from solely attacking it. I think this post of mine explains the sociological reasons the unwelcome dictator will always be the target of attacks.
The best thing in my opinion is that nobody dominates. A level playing field makes things better, even for Microsoft. And in the event OS X ever gained a marketshare comparable to Windows I'd still put my money on Cupertino, whose conceptualization of 'innovation' has been a bit more true, On top of that, since a great number of critical services in OS X are based on open source projects, there's almost an invisible alliance between two partners, that MS lacks.
MS has its hands in far too many cookie jars to give their OS the attention it deserves, and they will have no incentive to until they're hegemony is threatened.
``nice GUI improvements, such as Dashboard''
Can you explain to me, then, what's so great about Dashboard? It looks like poor man's virtual desktops to me: press the hotkey, and your apps will be replaced by different ones, press it again, and you're back. Except that these "different" apps are not really apps but some applets written to a new and incompatible API, you can only have two virtual desktops this way; one with apps, one with gadgets.
I don't use virtual desktops, nor expose, because the dock gets me to the right application without any trouble. For the same reason, I don't see any use for Dashboard. Am I missing the point, or is Dashboard really the useless (you can just as easily live without it) and evil (introducing a gratituously incompahible API) thing I think it is?
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
i know this has been said a million times, but in my opinion, apple would make A LOT more money if they released a PC version of OSX. I would love to run it on custom hardware (i.e. Dell Inspiron 300m) instead of what Apple decides what laptops should look like. I for one would pay for a copy, especially since it would probably be cheaper than XP anyways.
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I love the new features, except the "widgets" feature is pretty much a rip off of Konfabulator. Anyway, it's a great looking upgrade so far.
don't forget home's wonderful product activation features that protect you from accidentally running a pirated copy, or even worse accidentally running your own paid for legitimate copy without having called microsoft to ask permission first!
Wrong.
Windows XP uses the 5.1 codebase. Pro and Home are just different versions. Pro is a superset of the features that are in home, but it is still 5.1 also.
To be more specific both of the XP's are version 5.1.0
XP Service Pack 1 is 5.1.1
XP SP2 would be 5.1.2
The Server 2003 code base branch off quite awhile ago, so it shipped as 5.2
Server 2003 SP1 will be 5.2.1
Just like XP Home & Pro shared the same version number, so do the Standard, Enterprise, Web, and Datacenter editions of Server.
(FYI, NT 3.1 and 4 are obvious, Windows 2000 was 5.0. And for the people who are going to reply and say they have 5.2.3790 instead of 5.2.0, or 5.1.2600, etc that is just a collapsed version number there are really a bunch more parts to it that I'm leaving out )
I just got rid of my old Powerbook 170 with a sad nostalgic sigh. It was such a lovely machine. Perfect for word processing. If it only had had a decent interface to a memory stick or airport... And perhaps a way to configure internet with DHCP and lynx.. It had a huge 80M harddisk, which there was no way I would ever fill up.
I'm typing this on a Powerbook G4 with a 40G harddisk, which is almost full of bloat programs, mp3s, Simplified Chinese localisation, all of which sometimes come in handy, but do I need them? No.
If I could have kept the Powerbook 170 for 12 years and just paid for those tiny add-ons: memory stick USB interface, airport, internet and lynx, I would definitely have done so.
I think you can probably run GUI stuff with AppleScript from the command line.
;)
Either way, I prefer GNU/Linux/KDE on my Mac, and KDE handles CLI scripting pretty well
Everyone seems to go after the estitic changes the most; personally I look forward to apple's gcc 3.5; which will offer auto-vectorization forexample; I think that's great apple spent time/resources to add that feature now; as nobody else offers it (when I don't count VAST:)
These are Macs, folks. I used to do this with AppleScript!!! And only like 15 or 20 lines. In yer face, perl monkeys!!!!!!!!!
54. Puzzle!!!
Finally, games for the Mac!!!
It's a neat concept. I would what took them so long to implement it. I can't wait to get Tiger :-)
If it's those petty annoyances that bother you, then you should try Linux. Because Linux is far more configurable than eiher XP or MacOS. Any modern Linux distro comes with at least a half-dozen different window managers. I use KDE for new machines, IceWM for older systems. In KDE I can choose among many different themes and looks. And forget about those old problems of indtallation, hardware drivers, etc. A Mandrake installation is faster and easier than an XP installation on the same machine.
The poster is picking FUD created by Microsoft marketing and adapting it to Mac. So, is Apache a "free second rate version" of IIS? And how about OSX? It was copied from free software. Does the fact that Apple charges for it automagically turn it from second rate to first rate? And how can you call those "free tools" that come with OSX "high quality"? Aren't you contradicting what you said about the quality of free software?
You should seriously consider getting some more memory, and leaving these apps open. There's no reason to quit them, unless you are working on a huge file in photoshop or something.
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I must be getting old and senile because I'm more and more LISA-Lost In Senseless Acronyms.
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> My computer got 25% faster between 10.2 and 10.3. That's a service pack?
Unfortunately, it is not fully true. My G4 computer went consistently faster from 10.0 to 10.2
At 10.3, Classic Apps for children start lagging (ie: 1/3th of second pause every 3 seconds in animations). Big pain. Had to sudo nice -20 <WindowServerPid> to get good perf.
So, it is not always true that every perf increases.
Mac Gamers?
They don't exist.
... and any number of cards, AGP, PCI, etc can multimonitor. That was a new thing. I'm not 100% sure OSX has this today?
Yes, it does. I remember it specifically from 10.2, but I believe 10.1 at least had it as well.
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Funny, I admit that.
I was looking for a minimal install option. Not the advanced install that I have to turn things off with.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Even that other companies have a "minimal install" option with just the basics or core of the software.
I am trying to avoid using extra keystrokes and mousestrokes due to my carpal tunnel syndrome. It takes me extra time to select a bunch of icons and drag them into the trash due to the pain involved. So it would be easier for me not to have them installed in the first place.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Thanks for proving my point. If there was a minimal install option, it would not install a program that depended on a file it relies on. Other software install programs do this, why not OSX? I hope Tiger fixes this problem.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
You're wasting far more keystrokes writing shit on slashdot than you'd ever use in deleting a few apps.
You don't know what the fuck you are talking about if you think Windows XP Home Edition is anything comparable to that piece of shit we all know as Windows ME. Windows XP Home is just Windows XP Professional but I believe it (atleast the default install) doesn't allow you to join domains. Also please dont give shit about "for the same price of windows, I can get this or that of Mac OS" because it makes no sense when you have to spend 5-10 times more for your hardware on MacOS to begin with.
My iMac wasn't even connected to a phone line, let alone the internet for the first several days that I owned it. OSX installs just fine without registering to Apple. It's an optional registration.
Ummm Professional also has product activation, Professional Corporate Edition is the only one without it.
I wouldn't modify the parent post as a troll, myself.
I would merely take note of that fact that the traditional OSS belief of UI/User experience work being "a mere tweak" expressed above is the fundamental reason why OSS has continuously gotten its ass kicked on the desktop despite the 10 years of work and millions of programmer hours dumped into linux.
OSS people have the power to make whatever interface they touch turn to shit. Apple has the power to make whatever shit they touch turn into fertilizer.
Ergonomica Auctorita Illico!
If you want behaviour like windows' Alt-Tab, go to System Preferences, Keyboard and Mouse, Keyboard Shortcuts, and create a short cut for:
"Focus window (active) or next window" to something. This gives you the iterate through windows, rather then iterate through apps functionality you are probably after.
I have it set to "Option ~"
Pretty much like Alt Tab on windows. I use it all the time.
Anyone knows where the second girl is in this screenie?
;-)
I assume one of the guys is Roger, but where is Linda and Jessie?
I can see only one girl in this chat.
I am using speech to text converters to write text on Slashdot as my wrists cannot take the strain. How dare you make fun of my disability.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
But regardless of how well that distinction works - I think that the answer to your question (to how is it better then virtual desktops) is that the average user will probably be far less confused by the dashboard metaphor than by multiple virtual desktops. Conceptually it is much simpler (I think) apart from the addition of the widget/app distinction.
the program gold. All the interface ever was is eye candy. I only tell the truth, and get modded as a troll because of it.
The only reason, I aruge, that OSS got its ass kicked on the desktop, is that consumers are not aware of the benefits of OSS over COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) software. Any OSS developer can tell you that almost any OSS designed for X, can be tweaked to take advantage of almost any Windows Manager, be it GNOME, KDE, AfterStep, GNUStep, OpenStep, OSX, whatever. The real meat and bones are what part of the OSS program that does not touch the graphics part. If designed properly, the OSS program will have the GUI part in modules using libraries that can easily be replaced with new libraries.
So if I have Firefox running on OSX and Firefox running in Linux with GNOME, they are going to both do the same thing, even if they both look different in the GUI part. How then can someone claim the Firefox in Linux with GNOME is inferior to the one on OSX? In what way, besides the way it looks? If there is no real difference, then what about the rest of the software bundled with OSX? Granted in some of them, Apple did make inprovements and new features to them. I hope that Apple shares these improvements and new features with the OSS projects they borrowed code from.
Now if you go by Marketshare, Linux has already caught up to Apple's marketshare of the Macintosh. Despite the Macintosh being out longer than Linux has. Consumer Linux Desktops are being sold like Linspire (nee Lindows), Xandros, and others. Linspire systems sell for $300 to $400 at Wal-Mart. While they cannot match the graphic GUI that OSX has, or the three CDs of bundled applications (Unless you buy the $159 enhanced version of Linspire and not the $50 Core OS) they can beat OSX and the Macintosh in price. They are also easy to use, install, and configure. For $50 I was able to buy a download of Linspire with just the core of the OS that I needed. If I needed the extra two CDs full of applications, I could have paid $109 more. Recently the Linspire download was free. Apple needs to recognize Linux as a threat, every year it gets better and the GUI enhancements get better. Apple used to have MKLinux, so they know how Linux operates.
Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
Can someone say porn site friendly mode?
I installed it, it looks and feels great! Love the rss reader in safari, SpotLight is ... as you excepted lightning fast and super cool! But where the heck is dashboard? I cannot find any references to it anywhere on my iPod (where tiger is currently installed)...
...in my opinion, apple would make A LOT more money if they released a PC version of OSX
No, they wouldn't. It would cost much more than $129 because it wouldn't be subsidized by Apple hardware sales. That would drive all the Wintards to pirate it (actually they'd probably still pirate it if it was only $129), making Apple no money. Apple would also see a huge slowdown in sales of their hardware, which is their major source of revenue. In short, releasing a version of OS X that ran on x86 would kill the company. Were you not paying attention in the mid 90's when Mac clones almost killed Apple? Apparently not.
OS X will never, never, never run on any hardware that Apple has not produced-- so surrender the fantasy of running OS X on some homebuilt x86 shitbox, or even a Dell. The major selling point of the Mac is the "it just works" factor-- the tight integration between Apple software and Apple hardware. They won't be able to deliver that if they suddenly have to support hundreds of varieties of commodity hardware flying out of factories in East Bumblefuck, Asia. Microsoft has blown through umpteen billion dollars over damn near twenty years in their attempt to do it, and they still haven't got it right. And if you think Dell would offer OS X as a preload option on their machines, think again. Microsoft would revoke their Windows license in a heartbeat and try to put them out of business.
Apple is a hardware company, period. Their software is just a selling point for their hardware. Look at iTunes and the iTunes Music Store as another example-- iTunes is a free download, and they barely make a profit on the sale of iTMS music. The whole thing is set up to sell iPods, and ideally induce some satisifed iPod buyers to switch to the Mac.
Try the torrent mentioned in this post.
It took maybe 3 hours to download over 1.5Mbps DSL, I went to bed with 1 hour left, woke up to find 165 peers.
... if you're Steve Jobs
1. Port Mac OS X for x86
2. Watch as a gazillion people change from windows to mac os
3. Everyone loves OS X, everyone buys an iPod, and 'Tiger' provides World Peace.
4. Give Bill Gates 20 bucks when he's begging for booze on the street
5. Profit!
It might be propoganda, but it was and is still true. Compare CineBench benchmarks of an array of top of the line PC chips and a G5 2.5MP, each with the Nvidia GeForce 6800 Ultra
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G5: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&thre adid=78063
PC's: http://www.extremetech.com/image_popup/0,1554,s=1
Even with their extra 1GHz, the G5 still beats them by more then 200 points, and CineBench 2003 1.0 isn't even optimized for the G5! Especially now, when comparing 32-bit chips to 64/32-bit chips, you cannot compare machines simply on their clockspeed. Even intel has come to this fact, giving their chips numbers based on their power instead of their clockspeed.
I know previous versions of the installer (both in OS 9 and OS X) had pretty good dependency checking in place. I'm not sure about the trouble the grandparent is having with Panther, but I've had easy success with minimal installs of earlier versions.
"I'll give you three guesses where the guy that wrote BeFS works now"
Not to mention where Be got it's start. Apple has been the nexus for a tremedous amount of inovation that the "industry" copies shamelessly. Apple begat both NeXT and Be and is now reaping the benefits. Their just an odd company. Steve Jobs had to leave Apple in order to save it.
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anyone else have similar problems.. after burning 4 dvd-r using different setting... I kindda got tired of it.
Since Quicktime is already included you already have access to its fairly extensive list of supported formats, as can be seen from the specifications.
BTW If you need a graphics program that supports a very extensive range of graphics formats, the GraphicConverter is your friend.
Jumpstart the tartan drive.
Of course, you say this and yet give us no explanation as to what these critical apps are. The only thing I can think of that will break some apps is the BSD subsystem (and if a user deselects that without knowing what it is, you really can't fault Apple for that).
Care to cite a single example of where Microsoft phones home without the user's knowledge or consent? I always hear claims of "spyware" in Windows XP, but I never see any evidence of that. The most they can offer is Windows Media Player. You know, that software which opens its privacy page on the first run so you can tell it what exactly you want it to do as far as grabbing song titles.
If people are going to parrot these claims all the time without ever providing any proof of them, it's just going to make this community look even sillier.
Not true. You will see if you reinstall that you CANNOT PROCEED without giving registration info and yes you can work off line as long as you want but on the first internet connection it will phone home and you have NO CHOICE on this. I service Macs often and have no reason to make this up just as Apple users have no reason to defend Apple when they do something wrong. OSX server is worse, requires a CD key and checks that key during install and other functions like LDAP replication and who knows what else.
A great way to advertise free software.
I love C++
You're right on OS X Server, but as an alleged Apple technician, you really should know better about OS X client.
When you get to the screen asking you for your registration information, hit command-Q and you can bypass it. It'll ask you if you really want to skip this, and tell you why it's not the best idea, but nonetheless, you'll have a "Skip" button in the dialog box. Click it and there you have it -- no registering.
Having done this on many different machines more times than I care to remember, I can assure you that registering is most certainly not required.
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Let me tell you this, from experience. The "coveting" part of Mac OS X wears off quickly and all you are left with is being angry at its limitations. My mom and my wife like OS X more than I do, put it that way.
.sig talks about learning the truth. Well, here it is. OS X is great, but there are more people on Slashdot trying to sell you on OS X than Linux and Windows fanatics put together. Take it all with a grain of salt, because it's good, but if I had to use Windows again right now, I wouldn't miss anything but Expose. In the end, it comes down to the apps. And they're no better on OS X than Windows or Linux. In fact, most (like Mozilla) are better on Linux. The funniest thing is that cut-and-paste doesn't work in my Mozilla on OS X (the very thing everyone lambasts Linux for constantly)....
I still "like" my Mac very much, but I don't "love" it. I thought I would. I was convinced I would. I took a few years off to use Windows and Linux and heard how great Apple had become again in the meantime. Was it true? Sort of. Am I happy with my Mac? Mostly. Will I buy another one? No. I've had Macs in the past, and this one will be my last. I have a really well paying job and had no problem dropping the coin on it, so money's not the issue. I've had dozens of computers in my life, and while my PB15 running OS X is the best as far as "Just Working" goes, it's still a pain in the ass. I've decided I'd rather go back to Linux on a ThinkPad. It has difficulties, yes, but it also has far less limitations. There are a LOT of little things I miss, and Fink et al. just don't cut it.
I do LOVE Expose, but the rest of OS X is basically just a good Windows. It's boring.
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Oh, and btw, if you DO buy a Mac (I ignored the warnings, so I'm assuming you will as well), DON'T buy an Airport Extreme Base Station if you ever want to get off Macs; the software is all Mac based, and AE Base Stations are VERY unfriendly to other OSes. Get a Linksys with a WEB-BASED INTERFACE. It works just as well, is more open, and costs less. You'll thank me later.
I'm not normally an irrational zealous dickhead, but I figure "When in Rome..."
Thank You for the tip, and I assume you are right since most of the installs I do are server and I could not opt out of those. I guess I did not look carefully enough when installing clients based on the experience with server. I appologize for the bad info about client. I will use this info in the future when appropriate. Thank You. As for being an alleged Apple technician I work on PC and Mac hardware, Linux, OSX, Windoz, and OS2 OS's and am always trying to learn more about each. As I learn more from people like you maybe someday the alleged charge will stick! Thanks again for the correction.
...that is an acceptable usage. Fuck is one of the most useful words in the English language. I agree that misuse of the: "There, Their, They're" complex should be punished with decapitation at a minimum, then we'd have fewer troglodytes mucking up slashdot. Racism, and other bigotry should be similarly punished however, and the Grammar Nazi aforementioned is quite prosecutable.
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True, NT5.x multitasks pretty well IME. My 2000 box runs a similar load to the one you described, plus the odd office app or two, and about 10 tabs in firefox. No dramas, only the odd squeak of annoyance from winamp as my useless softmodem loses the plot occasionally. This is just a p4 2.4 with 512mb, and a slow ol' HDD to boot.
I have noticed similar problems on XP boxes in the past, and I agree with your diagnosis - there's something not quite right somewhere. I don't know much about XP, but in win2000 it's good to occasionally have a look in the task manager's process pane to make sure that you're not running piles of junk in the background. Also check that all your drivers are present and correct - I had awful Heisenbug problems with a flaky driver for the AGP bridge on my motherboard at one stage.
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
-- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
I don't see a new operating system here. (I didn't with Panther either.) Worse, I think the interface - the user experience - stinks just like with Panther only worse.
The colours and visual clues in Jaguar were much better. Don't like pinstripes? OK, but who likes this slimy gray? Gray is not good for the eyes - at least with the pinstripes the eyes had something to rest on - with this slimy gray they just skid all over the place.
Active and inactive window title bars do not differentiate enough. In Jaguar the difference in transparency is dramatic - and it works. In Panther, and again in 'Tiger' (what a name) it's bad. It's actually worse than bad: it's dysfunctional, it's confusing.
And where is the new operating system? These shiny toys that Dashboard make? This is a new operating system? On the tail end of another feature (Expose) that I would never use anyway? Is this what the engineers sit and work on all day long?
I like developing for OS X - let's say instead I have liked it up until now. But where is the push to increase market share to secure our jobs? Nope, it's not there. What does Leader Steve do instead? He gets the iPod into the BMW. How is that supposed to help programmers? How is that going to increase the use of OS X?
The operating system is fine - it has been fine for two years already. Leave the operating system alone. Offer a better interface (yes like the pinstripe), stop going fetish-obsessive with this BRUSHED METAL, and then leave the OS alone.
And concentrate on increasing market share. Make a system the business world likes.
They're not impressed with an iPod in a glove compartment of a BMW.