What's wrong with today's youth that think it's not cheating or stealing if you don't get caught?
Probably the same thing that was wrong with youth when I was one. You sound like my father did 30 years ago. Of course, I sound like my father did 30 years ago. Go figure.
I wasn't going to reply to your message because it's so terribly wrong, but then I thought that perhaps somebody might take you seriously - I realize that this is/. and the chances are low, but, hey, you never know.
Current and voltage are two parts of a whole. You can't escape it. Here's the deal. Power is everything, whether it's primary contributor is voltage or current. Why? Because no wire is a perfect conductor. There will be a voltage drop across a wire, regardless of its length. That voltage drop, together with the current, determines the required wire gauge.
As an example, say our Xbox power supply's DC output cable has a distributed resistance (DC, remember, so it's not impedance) totalling 0.1 ohm. That's very high, but this is just an example. If the power supply is pumping 20 amps to the Xbox (again, just an example), the total voltage drop from start to finish is 2VDC. Where does that voltage go? It's converted into heat. The power equation, P=(V^2)/R, tells us just how much heat: 40 watts. So, your wire has to be able to dissipate 40 watts of heat.
Now let's say that it's the same situation, but your Xbox is producing 120VDC at 20 amps. Now the voltage drop is 12VDC. What's the power dissipation requirement? Yikes, 1440 watts! You gots trouble (and maybe a nice heating element for your basement).
So what do you do? You decrease the distributed resistance by increasing the size of the wire.
My grasp of of flux and current is very good because it's what I do for a living. Have faith that your memory modules are not going to burst into flame because those tiny power traces that carry up to 1.5A at 2.5VDC aren't large enough. It's all about the power, baby!
And next time, try to avoid straw man and ad hominem attacks to make your point.
I agree with you though, the grandparent poster probably just doesn't know what begging the question actually is. I think he's confusing it with *suggesting* a question.
I guess that you mean the case in which a proposition to be proved is contained within one of the supporting premises. I'm not really sure that the fallacy of begging the question actually even applies.
However, I was using it in the manner defined by the New Oxford Dictionary of English - as a synonym for "raising the question".
The MS brick converts 120V AC to 12V DC (plus 5V). It's a 240+W PS. That means it is running 20A of 12V power. No one runs 20A farther than they need to, because you need very large gauge wire. Even with solid wire (like in your house) you need a large gauge wire. In your house, you would use 12 gauge or 10 gauge. MS had to use stranded wire, so the wire would be flexible. That means they need even larger gauge wire than otherwise.
Hold on a second - while it may be a "240+W PS", that does not mean that it is running 20A at 12V. The rating means that it is capable of producing some amount of current at some voltage(s). The power supply produces no more current than the device requires.
In your house, you would use 10 or 12 ga wire because 20 amps at 120VAC is 2400W.
Further, the wattage rating of the power supply is the sum of the power rating of all of the power rails and each rail is rated for a given maximum wattage.
Take a look at the rating label on your computer's power supply. Same thing. No thick wires. I suspect that if you were to cut into the XBox's DC power cable, you'd see that it's thick for mechanical reasons, not electrical.
I am very familiar with consumer products, thanks. I am involved with a major consumer product that you might even own yourself!
I'm an electrical engineer who designs a consumer product, a version of which I know you use. But that's not what makes me an authority.
In short, stuff it. You're not the dictator of the world, so quit discouraging people from pursuing interests that you don't share.
In shorter, stuff it. You're not the dictator of the world, so quit discouraging people from discouraging people from pursuing interests that they don't share.
There are actually a number of simple implementations that I have been absolutely surprised to not see in the US.
Like the implementation that I discovered in several modern businesses in Marseilles, France when I was there in the early '90s: a hole in the floor with two raised places to put your feet. No flushing at all! Of course, there appeared to be a problem with the, um, accuracy of the previous users that was disturbing, to say the least...
Big mistake. You should have gotten your money back and went elsewhere. What good is a warantee from a company you cant trust?
If he didn't want to return the money, have a local TV station do a special on your bogus computer. Then take him to small claims court.
Oh yeah, 'cause people never make mistakes. Stores never get hoodwinked by their vendors. The guy apologized and fixed the problem. From the OP and his followup, it sounds to me like this guy now has a pretty good relationship with the dealer - something that he wouldn't have if he had followed your advice.
I met my wife on Yahoo Personals. All I ever met on Match.com were totally whacked out women. Pretty, yes, but psychotic. I'm psychotic enough - I don't need the competition.
And no one remembers that back in 1959, you could go to the store and buy a single, remember 45's, had two(2) sides, and it only cost 99 cents (plus tax), I think we are getting ripped off at 99 cents today.
A bargain today! Based on the Producer Price Index, that single would cost $4.33 today - or $2.165 per song.
What I would like to see is every song on iTunes that comes from a distributor under the RIAA umbrella marked on the site as "RIAA Affiliated" or some such.
Besides the problem that virtually all of the songs on iTunes would have a tag, the other hitch is that most people don't care. The whole RIAA suing everyone thing is a curiosity, but it's not going to make a significant difference in ITMS sales.
Not that it's a wrong idea - just ineffective, I think.
On a tangentally related topic, I was talking to my dad about the whole music industry versus the Internet thing the other day. He's 72 years old and much more in touch with the "problem" than I thought. Even he knows that the recording industry is trying to put the stopper back in the genie's bottle - and it ain't going to happen. He asked the same thing that the rest of us are asking: when will they figure that out and come up with a way to leverage the Internet that isn't a burden on the consumer?
Not too bad for an old curmudgeon who figured out last year that his notebook computer could copy audio CDs.
In most cases they are much better than that, being composed of competant engineers in their various fields.
You must not have done any work with a standards setting body. I work with JEDEC on memory modules and, believe me, I'd much rather be working with the government. Those standards bodies are sponsored by companies who are competing against each other - each company wants its design adopted as the standard and don't think for a minute that we engineers are all that altruistic when it comes to selecting the best design.
Ditto with the IBIS committee - that crazy group can grind to a standstill in a New York second.
Every other story I've read on/. over the past few weeks has had at least one comment saying, "Hey, get your act together, this was on Digg 3 days ago!"
I wonder how long it'll take for someone to post one here?
Apparently, about 5 minutes:
Late again (Score:4, Funny) by jcorno (889560) Alter Relationship on 11:00 AM November 17th, 2005 (#14054249) Digg.com had this article posted six hours ago. -- got milk? then you're a human and must be killed
On most of those fronts, we are in poorer shape than we were in 1970.
Were you alive in 1970? I was 8 years old and I remember it. Tricky Dick was president, Vietnam was in full swing. Inflation was at 6%, heading to 13% by mid-decade. If you were black and lived in the South in 1970, you'd have a different idea of the state of tolerance today. You might want to talk to somebody who was working in 1970 to find out about paying for health care. Routine care was covered by insurance - and we spend less out of pocket today on health care than in 1970 - a lot less.
When I was eight years old, do you know what I thought about? I thought about atomic bombs and going to fight in Southeast Asia. I had never seen a person of color. I lived in a city in the northwest that was choking on pollution. My country was led by a president who was championing a war that we shouldn't have even been peripherally involved with. The vice president was a mob stooge. My dad made $30,000 a year - a fabulous sum of money that inflation was eating away at. We had one TV and our town had two TV stations. Government spending was recklessly out of control, worse then than today, in terms of inflation adjusted dollars and percentage of GDP.
Man, I could go on and on. Nobody who was around then can look back 30 years and say that we're in poorer shape now. "That '70's Show" isn't a handbook of the time.
Doesn't sound like a straight-forward response to me. He only partially answered the question, and not the part that anyone cared about!
Question: During these change-overs, are you planning on putting in any special software that will monitor the users, and/or software that will attempt to prevent copying the game?
Answer: No.
Question: Can you guarantee that such software will not "cross the line" and do things not directly related protecting the game itself?
Implied Answer: Since we're not putting in any special software to "monitor the users, and/or software that will attempt to preven copying the game", there will be no "such software" to "cross the line".
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Good lord, nobody realized that it's Mungday???
What's wrong with today's youth that think it's not cheating or stealing if you don't get caught?
Probably the same thing that was wrong with youth when I was one. You sound like my father did 30 years ago. Of course, I sound like my father did 30 years ago. Go figure.
-h-
But I'll bet that it would occur to most.
Nice moderating - Flamebait, troll? Come on, the guy's got a good point.
A patch.
I wasn't going to reply to your message because it's so terribly wrong, but then I thought that perhaps somebody might take you seriously - I realize that this is /. and the chances are low, but, hey, you never know.
Current and voltage are two parts of a whole. You can't escape it. Here's the deal. Power is everything, whether it's primary contributor is voltage or current. Why? Because no wire is a perfect conductor. There will be a voltage drop across a wire, regardless of its length. That voltage drop, together with the current, determines the required wire gauge.
As an example, say our Xbox power supply's DC output cable has a distributed resistance (DC, remember, so it's not impedance) totalling 0.1 ohm. That's very high, but this is just an example. If the power supply is pumping 20 amps to the Xbox (again, just an example), the total voltage drop from start to finish is 2VDC. Where does that voltage go? It's converted into heat. The power equation, P=(V^2)/R, tells us just how much heat: 40 watts. So, your wire has to be able to dissipate 40 watts of heat.
Now let's say that it's the same situation, but your Xbox is producing 120VDC at 20 amps. Now the voltage drop is 12VDC. What's the power dissipation requirement? Yikes, 1440 watts! You gots trouble (and maybe a nice heating element for your basement).
So what do you do? You decrease the distributed resistance by increasing the size of the wire.
My grasp of of flux and current is very good because it's what I do for a living. Have faith that your memory modules are not going to burst into flame because those tiny power traces that carry up to 1.5A at 2.5VDC aren't large enough. It's all about the power, baby!
And next time, try to avoid straw man and ad hominem attacks to make your point.
-h-
I agree with you though, the grandparent poster probably just doesn't know what begging the question actually is. I think he's confusing it with *suggesting* a question.
I guess that you mean the case in which a proposition to be proved is contained within one of the supporting premises. I'm not really sure that the fallacy of begging the question actually even applies.
However, I was using it in the manner defined by the New Oxford Dictionary of English - as a synonym for "raising the question".
No confusion on my part. Languages evolve.
-h-
It is a noble goal, but couldn't they do this anonymously?
It just begs the question, doesn't it?
And neither realizes that they're about as smart as the next guy.
The MS brick converts 120V AC to 12V DC (plus 5V). It's a 240+W PS. That means it is running 20A of 12V power. No one runs 20A farther than they need to, because you need very large gauge wire. Even with solid wire (like in your house) you need a large gauge wire. In your house, you would use 12 gauge or 10 gauge. MS had to use stranded wire, so the wire would be flexible. That means they need even larger gauge wire than otherwise.
Hold on a second - while it may be a "240+W PS", that does not mean that it is running 20A at 12V. The rating means that it is capable of producing some amount of current at some voltage(s). The power supply produces no more current than the device requires.
In your house, you would use 10 or 12 ga wire because 20 amps at 120VAC is 2400W.
Further, the wattage rating of the power supply is the sum of the power rating of all of the power rails and each rail is rated for a given maximum wattage.
Take a look at the rating label on your computer's power supply. Same thing. No thick wires. I suspect that if you were to cut into the XBox's DC power cable, you'd see that it's thick for mechanical reasons, not electrical.
I am very familiar with consumer products, thanks. I am involved with a major consumer product that you might even own yourself!
I'm an electrical engineer who designs a consumer product, a version of which I know you use. But that's not what makes me an authority.
-h-
In short, stuff it. You're not the dictator of the world, so quit discouraging people from pursuing interests that you don't share.
In shorter, stuff it. You're not the dictator of the world, so quit discouraging people from discouraging people from pursuing interests that they don't share.
There are actually a number of simple implementations that I have been absolutely surprised to not see in the US.
Like the implementation that I discovered in several modern businesses in Marseilles, France when I was there in the early '90s: a hole in the floor with two raised places to put your feet. No flushing at all! Of course, there appeared to be a problem with the, um, accuracy of the previous users that was disturbing, to say the least...
-h-
Big mistake. You should have gotten your money back and went elsewhere. What good is a warantee from a company you cant trust?
If he didn't want to return the money, have a local TV station do a special on your bogus computer. Then take him to small claims court.
Oh yeah, 'cause people never make mistakes. Stores never get hoodwinked by their vendors. The guy apologized and fixed the problem. From the OP and his followup, it sounds to me like this guy now has a pretty good relationship with the dealer - something that he wouldn't have if he had followed your advice.
-h-
I enjoyed Neal Stephenson's early work, but after he discovered the wonders of the thesaurus, I really lost interest.
"The Big U". Absolutely hilarious.
-h-
I met my wife on Yahoo Personals. All I ever met on Match.com were totally whacked out women. Pretty, yes, but psychotic. I'm psychotic enough - I don't need the competition.
-h-
I will NEVER buy another Sony product ever again, and I urge ALL of you to do the same.
Sony earns royalties from every CD and DVD sold, as well as most of the hardware. Uh oh.
I no longer like the fact that a small part of every DVD and DVD player sale goes to Sony.
Best not buy any CD's either!
And no one remembers that back in 1959, you could go to the store and buy a single, remember 45's, had two(2) sides, and it only cost 99 cents (plus tax), I think we are getting ripped off at 99 cents today.
A bargain today! Based on the Producer Price Index, that single would cost $4.33 today - or $2.165 per song.
What I would like to see is every song on iTunes that comes from a distributor under the RIAA umbrella marked on the site as "RIAA Affiliated" or some such.
Besides the problem that virtually all of the songs on iTunes would have a tag, the other hitch is that most people don't care. The whole RIAA suing everyone thing is a curiosity, but it's not going to make a significant difference in ITMS sales.
Not that it's a wrong idea - just ineffective, I think.
On a tangentally related topic, I was talking to my dad about the whole music industry versus the Internet thing the other day. He's 72 years old and much more in touch with the "problem" than I thought. Even he knows that the recording industry is trying to put the stopper back in the genie's bottle - and it ain't going to happen. He asked the same thing that the rest of us are asking: when will they figure that out and come up with a way to leverage the Internet that isn't a burden on the consumer?
Not too bad for an old curmudgeon who figured out last year that his notebook computer could copy audio CDs.
-h-
In most cases they are much better than that, being composed of competant engineers in their various fields.
You must not have done any work with a standards setting body. I work with JEDEC on memory modules and, believe me, I'd much rather be working with the government. Those standards bodies are sponsored by companies who are competing against each other - each company wants its design adopted as the standard and don't think for a minute that we engineers are all that altruistic when it comes to selecting the best design.
Ditto with the IBIS committee - that crazy group can grind to a standstill in a New York second.
-h-
Every other story I've read on /. over the past few weeks has had at least one comment saying, "Hey, get your act together, this was on Digg 3 days ago!"
I wonder how long it'll take for someone to post one here?
Apparently, about 5 minutes:
Late again
(Score:4, Funny)
by jcorno (889560) Alter Relationship on 11:00 AM November 17th, 2005 (#14054249)
Digg.com had this article posted six hours ago.
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got milk? then you're a human and must be killed
On most of those fronts, we are in poorer shape than we were in 1970.
Were you alive in 1970? I was 8 years old and I remember it. Tricky Dick was president, Vietnam was in full swing. Inflation was at 6%, heading to 13% by mid-decade. If you were black and lived in the South in 1970, you'd have a different idea of the state of tolerance today. You might want to talk to somebody who was working in 1970 to find out about paying for health care. Routine care was covered by insurance - and we spend less out of pocket today on health care than in 1970 - a lot less.
When I was eight years old, do you know what I thought about? I thought about atomic bombs and going to fight in Southeast Asia. I had never seen a person of color. I lived in a city in the northwest that was choking on pollution. My country was led by a president who was championing a war that we shouldn't have even been peripherally involved with. The vice president was a mob stooge. My dad made $30,000 a year - a fabulous sum of money that inflation was eating away at. We had one TV and our town had two TV stations. Government spending was recklessly out of control, worse then than today, in terms of inflation adjusted dollars and percentage of GDP.
Man, I could go on and on. Nobody who was around then can look back 30 years and say that we're in poorer shape now. "That '70's Show" isn't a handbook of the time.
-h-
Netcraft confirms it: The Internet is dead.
I find some small consolation in two publications: ct and SlashDot.
Are you sure that you meant to say "consolation"?
Doesn't sound like a straight-forward response to me. He only partially answered the question, and not the part that anyone cared about!
Question: During these change-overs, are you planning on putting in any special software that will monitor the users, and/or software that will attempt to prevent copying the game?
Answer: No.
Question: Can you guarantee that such software will not "cross the line" and do things not directly related protecting the game itself?
Implied Answer: Since we're not putting in any special software to "monitor the users, and/or software that will attempt to preven copying the game", there will be no "such software" to "cross the line".
Pretty straightforward.
-h-