Sure - they've been doing Veritas support for free for Veritas for years - you'll find they've got the same approach to a lot of the common opensource stuff they bundle in as well (openSSH, OpenOffice, bash, tcsh, etc.. - heck you might even find that their employees were prime contributors to the code, but never made a big blue marketing stink about it..)
get SunPS instead - they'll do both Solaris and Linux (and generally a better job at both) - SunPS is typically outsourced by IGS anyhow and they won't try and take over a department the same way that GS or PWC will
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actually it's openssh - and that's a whole 'nother ball of goo..
I've always found the puffy blowfish to be an oddly appropriate mascot for OpenBS - bloated, prickly whiners full of nothing really substantial inside but hot air.. probably why the stuffed shirts in Washington took them at first.
"no remote security hole in the default install"? spin, spin, spin..
DARPA cut their funding for the Canadian "hackathon hotel"? get over it - the US Government invested in an effective think-tank and didn't like some of how they chose to think.. nobody can be totally objective
from the looks of his resume it appears he was just a student intern.. not anybody important like.. you know - the guy from War Games, or that other guy from Sneakers, or those guys in the NSA jackets in Hackers.. boy those guys were scary.. but when they started yelling "Hack the Planet!" after Angelina Jolie and that zero dude got arrested and that guy from Scream did the TV Broadcast.. that was pretty kewl..
It looks like antelope is doing something different w/ their MCC stuff from IBM - split the display and input device out and save on weight - would be a nice setup with a monocle and a flexi-keyboard.. or you could try the SparcBooks which are unfortunately a little heavy (3.5kg).. if it's size you're after - I'd look to the Asian market trends which tend to value the smaller size much more than the fat fingered lazy Americans and Europeans - the Sharp Zaurus PDA comes to mind there, and even smaller vaios only available on the japanese market (i started using a U1 a while back and love it).. for durability - take a look at what the US gov't is doing for the military - there's a big push away from MS there and good luck! I think the real battle is away from the X86 instruction set - the majority of MS code is too embedded on this dependency!
right, but i think that's more of a function of the fact that intelligent people tend to be smarter than dumb people.. and the audience that each O/S tends to typically have.. Linux doesn't always have "incredibly high security", and some of those in the Windoze world don't necessarily have a higher downtime.
Freedom is implicit - the law exists to define the boundary of that implicit freedom. It can only really enforce and remove implied freedoms which might limit the implicit freedom or rights of someone else.. i think that's what we mean by justice these days.
I keep thinking about this - because the classic s/w business model is really a vertical industry in itself that tries to lay down horizontally and pretends to cover the different industry areas.. but in the end it all breaks down to exchanging proprietary IP for goods and services and at the end of the day the s/w industry (at least in common thought) is dominated by the companies who hold onto the greatest amount of proprietary IP they can hold over other industries like a carrot.
Now if you can picture what that would look like for the sciences or mathematics if we applied the same logic - i think you'd agree that we'd be only a little more advanced than stone knives and bearskins.. (ooh look what thog can do - he can create bronze weapons, but he won't tell you his technique - only sell you some of his product and either buy you out, shut you up, or kill you if you manage to figure out how it's done).. we fail to practically realize that we all thrive and benefit from community knowledge and contribution..
Personally i like to develop tools to make my life easier, and if others find them useful - i like to explain and share what i've done so they can build something better if they like (and so on and so forth).. But herein lies the rub in our current business models.. We begin to think that the minute we effectively "share" our intellectual "property" (even the terms give me the creeps) is the minute we lose what we "deserve" in the form of financial or tangible "compensation"!
Now if we shift slightly and begin to look more at services as a form of compensation - business models can then be built on the mutual sharing of services, and business that is done becomes more about relational concern and less about personal concern. In other words - jobs become more focused on providing services and the quality of those services as we (hopefully) begin to simplify the actual producing of products. In the midst of this service providing lies the development of intellectual tools and processes which should really be the key motivating factor. If we'd only invest more of our resources in those who teach and contribute freely, than in those who hide what they're really doing we might gain more.. in other words - the more we have - the more we should give away and the richer we'll really become as we begin to see those who give more as the better investment than those who simply try to hoard and hide. From what i see, the prevailing attitude now is - "if you give to me.. i give to you, and if i'm giving to you - i better know what i'm going to get from you".. rather than - "here, i give to you because i know how much you've done with this in the past - and i trust that as others have seen what i give, i too will be taken care of"
In this alternative universe of due respect companies are rewarded more for the respect that they garner and the contributions they provide to the community than for a temporal tangible widget they might produce at a given point in time. Research and Education become the more prestigous and profitable areas of industry, and we begin to value giving openly more than a suave exterior with hidden carcasses under the floorboards. In some ways, i think the movement is slowly underfoot in things like P2P networks, public s/w repositories and the like.. now if we can only get companies to see that there's much more to be made from giving things away and allowing people to productively develop for the greater good than from a short-lived gain by selling your widget onto everyone's desktop and having them hate you for it.
right on - you may want to check out the story in the Bellevue Eastide Journal for more depth - it sounds like he and Bill worked out a deal where MS has first dibs on whatever they produce since they both determined that MS wasn't ready for Intentional Programming.. makes sense - I've always seen Microsoft's strengths in unintentional random programming and pointless garden-pathed eye candy.
you know there's a really thin line between corporate domination and communism - when we become forced to respect other's rights to IP, there's a degree to which the human spirit will want to naturally rebel internally (or just be sedated).. interesting - i guess that's why anti-trust legislation becomes critical to assuring personal freedom.
you'd be much better off mixing wired and wireless on the apartment level - in other words - after a standard agreement with DSL/Cable provider to wire the units simply provide/lease WAPs for wireless access within the units.. this would then give you control through the WAP for bandwidth and DHCP resource management, and you could simply follow the cable companies model for checking for illegal access - periodic log checks, or some other form of periodic key checking.. I wouldn't recommend MAC filtering
Sun's never really had an interest in intel's h/w and if you look at what they're doing with it I think you'll find that it's just to deal with people who think that Intel rules the world.
Linux and BSD are pretty good and awesome for learning (been encouraged for laptop use for a while now - can't beat the driver base), but development-wise they're only starting to learn some of the same lessons that sun learned in the early to mid 90's when they switched from a BSD derivative to a SVR4 and then heavily changed that as well - the same lessons that AIX and HPUX learned and are learning later. If nothing else - Sun has a deal more exposure in developing and supporting most large customers with large-scale core critical applications - for a long time.. that experience pays off technically.
for example - linux kernel developers are only now starting to learn the performance boost you get with a pre-emptive kernel - if you trace back on Sun's history - you'll see that this came when they moved away from the BSDish (SunOS 4.1.x) base
perhaps, fartsy, if you stopped getting so worked up about names and vendors - drinking the kool-aid and FUD that vendors love to spread - and started looking at why certain technical choices are made you'd see that Sun generally does the right thing and are generally quiet about it rather than waving flags and taking out television commercials to try and convince the world of how great they are and what incredible contributions they've made.. their contribution into the OpenSource community and standards runs much deeper than the "flavor-of-the-day" top-end issues that everyone sees.
When I first started working with *nixes I used to hate the way that Sun did certain things because it was different from what I was used to - as I began to understand some of the reasoning and realize that differences I don't immediately understand that are frustrating to me aren't "stupid" necessarily I began to see that out of all the major Unix players - Sun generally does the right thing. If you look at a lot of the major development happening within linux - I think you'll see IBM and HP putting a lot of their programmers in it - so there can be a fair amount of anti-Sun.. Sun's not doing anything here - but I disagree - I think Sun's contribution is a little more hidden, and behind the scenes - much more in the idea development and leading edge department - If you look at some the ideas that got put into Solaris over the years - i think you'll see cheap imitations in linux - so it must be a form of flattery.
I'd love to poke around with the diagnostics - perhaps even put an mrtg display somewhere and was wondering if anyone's done any GPL'd tools? Don't really want to fork the money for crappy wintel based closed source hacks when I suspect it would be pretty trivial to make a RS-232 based cable and write a simple perl/python/C module to interface to.
actually their complaints are 15-fold (available off www.sun.com/lawsuit) but essentially boil down to:
-Violation of the Sherman Act (Sections 1 & 2) -Violation of the Cartwright Act -Unfair Competition -Copyright Infringement
Not so much about Java but more about your limited choices for extending an operating system that controls competition on Intel based PCs using influence obtained through a monopoly. The complaint around Java is that Microsoft intentionally hindered development of a competitive product and used their influence to hinder distribution of the product while also violating their license agreement associated with the product.
exactly!! think of the possibilities - rather than spending all our time making things work with Windows and wasting months and years figuring out what the kids in Redmond did to screw up the basic protocols - we can spend our time on education, application and GUI development and the study of people.. maybe people will even come to realize how much they really understand instead of spending their time making contrived visual associations.
I really wish they would take their ball and go home.. the amount of hindrance they've caused the world is astounding - it's been like the dark ages in computing for the past 20 years - sure things progress, but where's the real innovation? We're barely realizing the brief vision of PARC, and haven't even scratched the surface on much of what we learned in the 60's..
offtopic? I'm sorry - did you actually read the article?
"Sehert said the CPU only accounted for seven per cent of the typical power consumption of a mobile device (although the chipset accounted for another 13 per cent). With the LCD sucking up a third of the power consumed, that's where the problem lies." in other words - why is Intel focusing so much on "Device Performance States" and s/w embedding when much of the problem they're trying to solve is external.. I mean big whoop - skamania can speak to several different protocols and switch between them, but if the limitation for implementing this sort of tech is in overall power consumption, why not separate the systems instead of adopting the "feature-creep linux model" one drug cures all ideal.
I don't understand why displays don't have their own power - I mean if it does take up 33% of the overall power, wouldn't it make more sense to have something detachable that I could swap batteries on rather than having to power down the entire system?
And where's the affordable goggles? If display tech is the limiting factor in portable devices, why not just have attachable goggles to a small base that surfs wireless WANS.. perhaps even visualize the networks you're attaching to a la the article on AR.
come on.. it's 2000 - so where's our rocket packs!? (go anywhere we strap them on our backs -DA)
ever since ebay started - this never made sense to me.. it just seemed too easy to either falsify, hack, or get.. basing a financial system on it seems a little absurd, (but then again so do banks)
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Sure - they've been doing Veritas support for free for Veritas for years - you'll find they've got the same approach to a lot of the common opensource stuff they bundle in as well (openSSH, OpenOffice, bash, tcsh, etc .. - heck you might even find that their employees were prime contributors to the code, but never made a big blue marketing stink about it ..)
get SunPS instead - they'll do both Solaris and Linux (and generally a better job at both) - SunPS is typically outsourced by IGS anyhow and they won't try and take over a department the same way that GS or PWC will
actually it's openssh - and that's a whole 'nother ball of goo ..
.. probably why the stuffed shirts in Washington took them at first.
..
.. nobody can be totally objective
I've always found the puffy blowfish to be an oddly appropriate mascot for OpenBS - bloated, prickly whiners full of nothing really substantial inside but hot air
"no remote security hole in the default install"? spin, spin, spin
DARPA cut their funding for the Canadian "hackathon hotel"? get over it - the US Government invested in an effective think-tank and didn't like some of how they chose to think
from the looks of his resume it appears he was just a student intern .. not anybody important like .. you know - the guy from War Games, or that other guy from Sneakers, or those guys in the NSA jackets in Hackers .. boy those guys were scary .. but when they started yelling "Hack the Planet!" after Angelina Jolie and that zero dude got arrested and that guy from Scream did the TV Broadcast .. that was pretty kewl ..
It looks like antelope is doing something different w/ their MCC stuff from IBM - split the display and input device out and save on weight - would be a nice setup with a monocle and a flexi-keyboard .. or you could try the SparcBooks which are unfortunately a little heavy (3.5kg) .. if it's size you're after - I'd look to the Asian market trends which tend to value the smaller size much more than the fat fingered lazy Americans and Europeans - the Sharp Zaurus PDA comes to mind there, and even smaller vaios only available on the japanese market (i started using a U1 a while back and love it) .. for durability - take a look at what the US gov't is doing for the military - there's a big push away from MS there and good luck! I think the real battle is away from the X86 instruction set - the majority of MS code is too embedded on this dependency!
right, but i think that's more of a function of the fact that intelligent people tend to be smarter than dumb people .. and the audience that each O/S tends to typically have .. Linux doesn't always have "incredibly high security", and some of those in the Windoze world don't necessarily have a higher downtime.
Why are you looking for freedom in the law?
.. i think that's what we mean by justice these days.
Freedom is implicit - the law exists to define the boundary of that implicit freedom. It can only really enforce and remove implied freedoms which might limit the implicit freedom or rights of someone else
I keep thinking about this - because the classic s/w business model is really a vertical industry in itself that tries to lay down horizontally and pretends to cover the different industry areas .. but in the end it all breaks down to exchanging proprietary IP for goods and services and at the end of the day the s/w industry (at least in common thought) is dominated by the companies who hold onto the greatest amount of proprietary IP they can hold over other industries like a carrot.
.. (ooh look what thog can do - he can create bronze weapons, but he won't tell you his technique - only sell you some of his product and either buy you out, shut you up, or kill you if you manage to figure out how it's done) .. we fail to practically realize that we all thrive and benefit from community knowledge and contribution ..
.. But herein lies the rub in our current business models .. We begin to think that the minute we effectively "share" our intellectual "property" (even the terms give me the creeps) is the minute we lose what we "deserve" in the form of financial or tangible "compensation"!
.. in other words - the more we have - the more we should give away and the richer we'll really become as we begin to see those who give more as the better investment than those who simply try to hoard and hide. From what i see, the prevailing attitude now is - "if you give to me .. i give to you, and if i'm giving to you - i better know what i'm going to get from you" .. rather than - "here, i give to you because i know how much you've done with this in the past - and i trust that as others have seen what i give, i too will be taken care of"
.. now if we can only get companies to see that there's much more to be made from giving things away and allowing people to productively develop for the greater good than from a short-lived gain by selling your widget onto everyone's desktop and having them hate you for it.
Now if you can picture what that would look like for the sciences or mathematics if we applied the same logic - i think you'd agree that we'd be only a little more advanced than stone knives and bearskins
Personally i like to develop tools to make my life easier, and if others find them useful - i like to explain and share what i've done so they can build something better if they like (and so on and so forth)
Now if we shift slightly and begin to look more at services as a form of compensation - business models can then be built on the mutual sharing of services, and business that is done becomes more about relational concern and less about personal concern. In other words - jobs become more focused on providing services and the quality of those services as we (hopefully) begin to simplify the actual producing of products. In the midst of this service providing lies the development of intellectual tools and processes which should really be the key motivating factor. If we'd only invest more of our resources in those who teach and contribute freely, than in those who hide what they're really doing we might gain more
In this alternative universe of due respect companies are rewarded more for the respect that they garner and the contributions they provide to the community than for a temporal tangible widget they might produce at a given point in time. Research and Education become the more prestigous and profitable areas of industry, and we begin to value giving openly more than a suave exterior with hidden carcasses under the floorboards. In some ways, i think the movement is slowly underfoot in things like P2P networks, public s/w repositories and the like
employees have to eat too you know .. all code and no food makes some people rather irritable and prone to silly redundant comments
right on - you may want to check out the story in the Bellevue Eastide Journal for more depth - it sounds like he and Bill worked out a deal where MS has first dibs on whatever they produce since they both determined that MS wasn't ready for Intentional Programming .. makes sense - I've always seen Microsoft's strengths in unintentional random programming and pointless garden-pathed eye candy.
It's called OpenStep - (of course it's a little out of date :)
So I take it that Palladium represents a work of art that was stolen with a Trojan Horse left behind? How oddly appropriate!
ever rent a moving truck?
you know there's a really thin line between corporate domination and communism - when we become forced to respect other's rights to IP, there's a degree to which the human spirit will want to naturally rebel internally (or just be sedated) .. interesting - i guess that's why anti-trust legislation becomes critical to assuring personal freedom.
you'd be much better off mixing wired and wireless on the apartment level - in other words - after a standard agreement with DSL/Cable provider to wire the units simply provide/lease WAPs for wireless access within the units .. this would then give you control through the WAP for bandwidth and DHCP resource management, and you could simply follow the cable companies model for checking for illegal access - periodic log checks, or some other form of periodic key checking .. I wouldn't recommend MAC filtering
Sun's never really had an interest in intel's h/w and if you look at what they're doing with it I think you'll find that it's just to deal with people who think that Intel rules the world.
.. that experience pays off technically.
.. their contribution into the OpenSource community and standards runs much deeper than the "flavor-of-the-day" top-end issues that everyone sees.
.. Sun's not doing anything here - but I disagree - I think Sun's contribution is a little more hidden, and behind the scenes - much more in the idea development and leading edge department - If you look at some the ideas that got put into Solaris over the years - i think you'll see cheap imitations in linux - so it must be a form of flattery.
Linux and BSD are pretty good and awesome for learning (been encouraged for laptop use for a while now - can't beat the driver base), but development-wise they're only starting to learn some of the same lessons that sun learned in the early to mid 90's when they switched from a BSD derivative to a SVR4 and then heavily changed that as well - the same lessons that AIX and HPUX learned and are learning later. If nothing else - Sun has a deal more exposure in developing and supporting most large customers with large-scale core critical applications - for a long time
for example - linux kernel developers are only now starting to learn the performance boost you get with a pre-emptive kernel - if you trace back on Sun's history - you'll see that this came when they moved away from the BSDish (SunOS 4.1.x) base
perhaps, fartsy, if you stopped getting so worked up about names and vendors - drinking the kool-aid and FUD that vendors love to spread - and started looking at why certain technical choices are made you'd see that Sun generally does the right thing and are generally quiet about it rather than waving flags and taking out television commercials to try and convince the world of how great they are and what incredible contributions they've made
When I first started working with *nixes I used to hate the way that Sun did certain things because it was different from what I was used to - as I began to understand some of the reasoning and realize that differences I don't immediately understand that are frustrating to me aren't "stupid" necessarily I began to see that out of all the major Unix players - Sun generally does the right thing. If you look at a lot of the major development happening within linux - I think you'll see IBM and HP putting a lot of their programmers in it - so there can be a fair amount of anti-Sun
I'd love to poke around with the diagnostics - perhaps even put an mrtg display somewhere and was wondering if anyone's done any GPL'd tools? Don't really want to fork the money for crappy wintel based closed source hacks when I suspect it would be pretty trivial to make a RS-232 based cable and write a simple perl/python/C module to interface to.
actually their complaints are 15-fold (available off www.sun.com/lawsuit) but essentially boil down to:
-Violation of the Sherman Act (Sections 1 & 2)
-Violation of the Cartwright Act
-Unfair Competition
-Copyright Infringement
Not so much about Java but more about your limited choices for extending an operating system that controls competition on Intel based PCs using influence obtained through a monopoly. The complaint around Java is that Microsoft intentionally hindered development of a competitive product and used their influence to hinder distribution of the product while also violating their license agreement associated with the product.
Seems to me like a call to the carpet.
exactly!! think of the possibilities - rather than spending all our time making things work with Windows and wasting months and years figuring out what the kids in Redmond did to screw up the basic protocols - we can spend our time on education, application and GUI development and the study of people .. maybe people will even come to realize how much they really understand instead of spending their time making contrived visual associations.
.. the amount of hindrance they've caused the world is astounding - it's been like the dark ages in computing for the past 20 years - sure things progress, but where's the real innovation? We're barely realizing the brief vision of PARC, and haven't even scratched the surface on much of what we learned in the 60's ..
I really wish they would take their ball and go home
offtopic? I'm sorry - did you actually read the article?
.. I mean big whoop - skamania can speak to several different protocols and switch between them, but if the limitation for implementing this sort of tech is in overall power consumption, why not separate the systems instead of adopting the "feature-creep linux model" one drug cures all ideal.
"Sehert said the CPU only accounted for seven per cent of the typical power consumption of a mobile device (although the chipset accounted for another 13 per cent). With the LCD sucking up a third of the power consumed, that's where the problem lies."
in other words - why is Intel focusing so much on "Device Performance States" and s/w embedding when much of the problem they're trying to solve is external
actually - what we really need is love .. sweet love - but yeah i'm sure a wireless nic that can be modified in firmware/fcode is up there too ..
I don't understand why displays don't have their own power - I mean if it does take up 33% of the overall power, wouldn't it make more sense to have something detachable that I could swap batteries on rather than having to power down the entire system?
.. perhaps even visualize the networks you're attaching to a la the article on AR.
.. it's 2000 - so where's our rocket packs!? (go anywhere we strap them on our backs -DA)
And where's the affordable goggles? If display tech is the limiting factor in portable devices, why not just have attachable goggles to a small base that surfs wireless WANS
come on
ever since ebay started - this never made sense to me .. it just seemed too easy to either falsify, hack, or get .. basing a financial system on it seems a little absurd, (but then again so do banks)
Accounting for classic MS stability it's more like a cluster bomb ..
fine as long as you're under 4 CPUs per VM .. and then don't even get me started on cache coherency ..