Interesting point of view. Well, I think that the majority of software that is created doesn't really push the boundaries, so most developments must then be the other option: underfunded and difficult to manage. That would then immediately explain the outsourcing that the companies are doing, because the outsourcing make the cost lower wrt to the salaries of the coders, hence the underfunded aspect is reduced because there now suddenly is enough money to hire enough coders, hence the outsourcing makes managing the projects easiers. That, in its turn, allows for successful project completion while using lesser quality managers, saving a bundle on salaries and bonusses there too.
A nice side-effect for inflated egos is that outsourcing allow bigger idiots to be successful in management.
Now I'm wondering: Where is the obviuos flaw in my reasoning that I'm missing?
The GPL is designed to keep GPL software free (as in speech). People make their writings and discoveries available for free under the GPL, as long as anybody who distributes an improved version also agrees that the improved version is exactly as free (as in speech). And that is the core of what makes the GPL unique, and which is exactly what made companies like WindRiver very cautious in the beginning: If you distribute GPL-licensed software, you better make sure that you know what is in it, because you're giving it away...
So my summary of what Darl of SCO is saying is this:
The GPL is unconstitutional, because the GPL allows people to limit the use and distribution of their writings and discoveries to only those people who do not intent to use copyright or patent law to subdue it.
So, basically, Darl of SCO is saying that he realizes that SCO has distributed Linux under GPL after he knew about what he claims as his infringement of SCO IP. And because that distribution would negate all his claims of infringed IP, he has no other choice but to dispute the legality of the GPL. Well, maybe he doesn't realize that, but at least his lawyers did.
The only other alternative, accepting to have knowingly broken the terms of the GPL license by distributing GPL-licensed software while not agreeing with the terms of the license would not make sense, and according to the law of Chewbacca defense lead to immediate aquittal of his case.
8) Makes the milk in the cows go sour 9) Costs you VOTES 10) Increase lethal accident rates 11) Increases crime rates 12) Electrocutes birds 13) Contains dangerous amounts of bacteria 14) Causes hurricanes and earthquakes 15) Second-hand GPL kills people 16) Eats away at 401k-plans 17) Causes rolling blackouts 18) Is illegal but has a california drivers license (but mows your lawn) 18b) Makes tasteless jokes 19) Doesn't give enough change back at the register 20) Has cooties 21) Breaks for no apparent reason 22) Cuts people off in traffic 23) Doesn't signal for a turn 24) Skips commercials on TV. 25) Downloads Music from the Internet 26) Masturbates daily 27) Doesn't go to church 28) Uses coarse language including F-words a lot 29) Keeps the toilet seat up 30) Farts, Burps, Smells, doesn't groom. 31) Are you still reading this>
They're doing it worse now, with the mail-in rebates. They figure a 'price before rebates', and advertise the 'price after rebates', but at the register, you pay the 'price after rebates' plus the rebates money, plus sales tax on the 'price before rebates'... You never get the sales tax back on the rebate checks, hence they now can often advertise 'free', when it really is not free at all, even after you did all your paperwork and wer lucky enough to receive and cash all the rebate checks...
Hmm. Sure it isn't 50 bits per second instead, using DTMF signals at 12.5baud?
Ah, here it is, section A.2 in V.18... looks like the 50 baud was FSK: The modulation is frequency shift keyed modulation (i.e. no carrier is present when a character is not being transmitted) using 1 400 Hz for a binary 1 and 1 800 Hz for a binary 0. A bit duration of either 20 or 22.00 0.40 ms is used providing either a nominal data signalling rate of 50 or 45.45 bits/s respectively.
But V.18 already was the improved TTY... Now what was the original... (google?)... Google says "A 45.45 Baud FSK Modem" is the U.S. standard for Baudot TTY signaling, or A Frequency Shift Keyed Modem for Use on the Public Switched Telephone Network. AT&T Relay Service and I keep seeing "ITA-2", but no documents...
This is the best link I found about the subject: Older TDDs (prior to V.22) use 1800 Hz/1400 Hz FSK half-duplex operation with an approximate baud rate of 45.5 in the U.S.A. and 50 in Europe.
"while the stronger attempts could sure use the extra effort to make them better."
Yeah, but 'the stronger' is a subjective definition. The sole reason why the weak ones survive is because there are people that like it more than what you, or maybe even most other people, consider the 'strong one'.
Open Source is not a one party system. Even the weak have a place. All it needs to be is have some loving users and maybe somebody who can do some programming.
There is absolute quality control in Open Source: if nobody likes it, then it dies. It's an ecosystem instead of a company structure that decides what lives and what dies.
It would be pointless to sacrifice everybody who doesn't agree with the majority, just to make that 'top app' a tiny bit better. Those people don't have to accept being sacrified, because they have the source and can do with it whatever they want, without being forced onto something they don't like.
"OpenSource is supposed to be a place where this shouldnt happen"
And why is that? The fact that many people try similar things each in different ways is the main reason why open source is as strong as it is. It's an ecosystem, bad implementations/projects will die off, and the good ones will survive. If more than one is good, each in their own niche, then more than one will survive. In a business environment, somebody at the top, who usually doesn't even know all the details, sets a course for a product and that will be the only product available -> end result there is only one product. But is that a good thing? No, it is not, because that one product will never cover the entire demand market.
Sure, abiword will make sure that openoffice.org will never be 'as big as msoffice' in numbers of users, but that is because some people will be using openoffice.org, some others abiword, some others koffice, etc, and all users will be very happy.
Now also guess why open standards is another strong point of Open Source. Those are needed to make it all possible.
The point of the GPL is not to let you download your own compiled version of firmware into any device that contains GPL software. The point is that if the device that contains GPL software includes any changes (such as fixes, ports, improvements, new features) to the GPL software, that the modified version of the GPL software is available to others.
Which is the exact reason why the device manufacturers should have nothing to fear from the GPL, because they only need to give back the source of GPL-ed components, including the improvements/changes that they made, but they don't need to include value-added software that is not GPL that they created completely themselves (which may link with LGPL software, but not with GPL software).
So if the embedded device manufacturer made a nice program to provide a good configuration interface, then they probably don't need to release the source to that, but if they added a feature to GPL software, for example a new RFC support for the kernel TCP/IP stack, then they do need to release that part.
It's nothing new in their 'strategy' if they sue Google.
It's just their evil plan B. Another lawsuit for <pinky to mouth>one billion dollars</pinky to mouth>.
So IBM didn't fall for it, and didn't buy the remains of SCO for enough money to make McBride, Noorda, Canopy and the rest of the gang rich from their SCOX stock sales. Now they will try to intimidate somebody else with lawyers.
"The only way to do it without modifying the cache controller to do distributed cache coherency is to turn off the data cache completely."
Not true, because pages can be marked read-only, or even marked to fault on a read, at which point the OS can use mutexes/semaphores across any type of network to ensure data coherency. And IIRC, both openssi and openmosic either already can do that, or will be very soon (follow the links, or search for migShm).
Again, latency will suck compared to shared memory on SMP or true NUMA, but it will be shared memory with no other difference than the latency and bandwidth.
"This is a fact: most people are anti-Linux, not anti-MS."
I'm not convinced. People may appear 'anti-Linux', but I'm not convinced that they really are. You may be right in how 'people' respond to this news, and Windows/IIS security breaches, but that may not be because they are anti-Linux, it may simply be because they hold Linux to higher standards. They may not even expect Windows/IIS to be secure anymore, but hope Linux can save the day.
On a side note, I'm a Debian user, and I really hope that they get to the bottom of this soon and fix the cause of the breach, because I am worried, disappointed and also embarrassed. It's good that they found it withing 24 hours, but it's not good that it happened. So I hope they recover quickly, and put things in place to do their best to make sure it doesn't happen again. If this happens more often, then the Windows-zealots will have won...
Besides all that, it's not very hard to make a case that actually the reason why most people are not Linux users is not because they are anti-Linux, but because they either don't care, don't know, or are simply pro-MS. Neither of which requires them to be anti-Linux.
There is a lot of don't know/don't care or just plain lazyness out there. For people to be pro-Linux, they have to care first, because the easy route is to just do what most other people do, and to use computers/laptops as-is as they arrive from the store where you bought them.
Then, if somebody tells you that you should switch to Linux because it is 'better', or 'more secure', then it is a lot easier to find reasons to say that 'linux sux' and the 'linux zealots are wrong' than it is to throw away all your effort to learn Windows, and to switch to/install, and learn to use Linux. Lazyness...
And that is what is happening in this forum amongst the non-Linux users, they are just unwilling to invest the time learn Linux, and want to feel justified in that choice. Hence the bashing...
Agreed, it won't have special hardware for NUMA, but it still is a single system image. The only way you and your apps will notice the difference is by the speed. The OS can make memory appear shared between processes, independent from whether or not the memory is shared across a special NUMA bus, or ethernet. The difference is only visible from the latency and bandwidth the app gets.
Maybe it wasn't originally delivered as a single system image, but they could still install this on it instead of beowulf/pvm/mpi/mosix and then it becomes a single system image cluster.
An what about not-for profit mailing lists between fans of something or the other, or the many mailing lists that open source projects use for communication between users and between developers. Many of such lists exist. And the list operators and users have no funds available to make any tax payments. For example, there is a mailing list for gcc development that sends out an email each time when somebody commits something to the gcc cvs tree. That is very useful if you're following the development, or are actually developing for gcc. Would you still commit that patch/fix/speedup to a public repository if you would have to pay the tens of thousands times the so called miniscule cost of a cvs commit email? If the government is allowed what level of tax is 'miniscule', it will most probably be in the order magniture of 1cent per email? Or 0.1cent? Even at 0.1cent per email, a mailing list with ten thousand subscribers would cost a whopping $10 per incoming email (per cvs commit, etc)... The linux kernel mailing list would cost a fortune to operate.
So if they tax email, we (users of nonprofit mailing lists) will be forced to move our text-based communication to another protocol (http?) for the Internet part, and then convert it back to email locally on our own computers (and vice versa for the outgoing email, convert it to a http post or something).
Yeah, and a company called brighthouse bought the cable here, and now it's still called RoadRunner, but brighthouse decided not to increase our speed to 3Mb... And when it became Brighthouse, they told us we wouldn't notice the difference, except for all those exciting new services that they promised. Yeah, exciting and new services, sure, not really. I've got the HBO on demand, but it skips and hickups at least once every fifteen minutes, so watching an on demand show is filled with messing with pause and play on the remote trying to get the video stream working again (no it's not the quality of the signal, because the regular analog channels are good and noise and interference free).
Summary: I'm a little unhappy that brighthouse sucks compared to what we could and should have had, plus the brighthouse TV ads that seem to run continuously, and that are trying to sell cable tv to cable tv customers (duh!) are really getting on my nerves too...
A switch is not a button. A switch breaks the circuit and cuts the power. Hence, there will be no fan running after you flip the switch...
Yes I've seen projectors with both a switch and a button, and their lamps suddenly last a lot longer when you tell their owners about the button, the lamp, and the fan.
700 Lumens at 110" and still 'looks great during the day'.
Lumens is an absolute measure of light defined in physics. Unless the manufacturers are lying about the numbers, it's comparable between brands.
At 700 Lumen spread across a 110" screen, there is not much light left per unit surface area.
Indoor artificial lighting for offices is usually 300-500 lux, and outdoors it goes up to 30000 lux. Lux is lumens per square meter. So, assuming your 110" measure is the size of the bottom edge of your screen, then you have about 5.8 square meters of screen, which under office lighting conditions already gets 1750-2900 lumens of light. So an additional 700 lumens of light on that surface is going to be visible, but the contrast will not be that great. If your 110" is the diagonal, the numbers get a bit better but still, the ambient light would have to be made pretty close to dark to give a good contrast.
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It all depends on where it is that most of the taxes are paid...
Just my thoughts...
Interesting point of view. Well, I think that the majority of software that is created doesn't really push the boundaries, so most developments must then be the other option: underfunded and difficult to manage. That would then immediately explain the outsourcing that the companies are doing, because the outsourcing make the cost lower wrt to the salaries of the coders, hence the underfunded aspect is reduced because there now suddenly is enough money to hire enough coders, hence the outsourcing makes managing the projects easiers. That, in its turn, allows for successful project completion while using lesser quality managers, saving a bundle on salaries and bonusses there too.
A nice side-effect for inflated egos is that outsourcing allow bigger idiots to be successful in management.
Now I'm wondering: Where is the obviuos flaw in my reasoning that I'm missing?
The GPL is designed to keep GPL software free (as in speech). People make their writings and discoveries available for free under the GPL, as long as anybody who distributes an improved version also agrees that the improved version is exactly as free (as in speech). And that is the core of what makes the GPL unique, and which is exactly what made companies like WindRiver very cautious in the beginning: If you distribute GPL-licensed software, you better make sure that you know what is in it, because you're giving it away...
So my summary of what Darl of SCO is saying is this:
The GPL is unconstitutional, because the GPL allows people to limit the use and distribution of their writings and discoveries to only those people who do not intent to use copyright or patent law to subdue it.
So, basically, Darl of SCO is saying that he realizes that SCO has distributed Linux under GPL after he knew about what he claims as his infringement of SCO IP. And because that distribution would negate all his claims of infringed IP, he has no other choice but to dispute the legality of the GPL. Well, maybe he doesn't realize that, but at least his lawyers did.
The only other alternative, accepting to have knowingly broken the terms of the GPL license by distributing GPL-licensed software while not agreeing with the terms of the license would not make sense, and according to the law of Chewbacca defense lead to immediate aquittal of his case.
BTW: Who else confuses WindRiver and WinDriver?
"* Click "Post Anonymously". Submit."
;) Goodbye karma, it was nice while it lasted.
Oh no!
8) Makes the milk in the cows go sour
9) Costs you VOTES
10) Increase lethal accident rates
11) Increases crime rates
12) Electrocutes birds
13) Contains dangerous amounts of bacteria
14) Causes hurricanes and earthquakes
15) Second-hand GPL kills people
16) Eats away at 401k-plans
17) Causes rolling blackouts
18) Is illegal but has a california drivers license (but mows your lawn)
18b) Makes tasteless jokes
19) Doesn't give enough change back at the register
20) Has cooties
21) Breaks for no apparent reason
22) Cuts people off in traffic
23) Doesn't signal for a turn
24) Skips commercials on TV.
25) Downloads Music from the Internet
26) Masturbates daily
27) Doesn't go to church
28) Uses coarse language including F-words a lot
29) Keeps the toilet seat up
30) Farts, Burps, Smells, doesn't groom.
31) Are you still reading this>
How long must the list be?
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Who cares? The only relevant question is: "Does Chewbacca live on Endor"?
details here...
They're doing it worse now, with the mail-in rebates. They figure a 'price before rebates', and advertise the 'price after rebates', but at the register, you pay the 'price after rebates' plus the rebates money, plus sales tax on the 'price before rebates'... You never get the sales tax back on the rebate checks, hence they now can often advertise 'free', when it really is not free at all, even after you did all your paperwork and wer lucky enough to receive and cash all the rebate checks...
That was a tpyo... I'll try again
Or This, which has a "I just want to download it..." link...
Or This, which has a "I just want to download it..." link...
"With the help of the new LZW time compression algorithm. Why else do you think companies outsource to Bangalore?"
Because they don't hate Unisys there yet? Or is it because they call 26 year old things new?
I have some new farting technology for sale, too. It stinks better than the farts you know, and it's patent pending!
"50 baud"
Hmm. Sure it isn't 50 bits per second instead, using DTMF signals at 12.5baud?
Ah, here it is, section A.2 in V.18... looks like the 50 baud was FSK: The modulation is frequency shift keyed modulation (i.e. no carrier is present when a character is not being transmitted) using 1 400 Hz for a binary 1 and 1 800 Hz for a binary 0. A bit duration of either 20 or 22.00 0.40 ms is used providing either a nominal data signalling rate of 50 or 45.45 bits/s respectively.
But V.18 already was the improved TTY... Now what was the original... (google?)... Google says "A 45.45 Baud FSK Modem" is the U.S. standard for Baudot TTY signaling, or A Frequency Shift Keyed Modem for Use
on the Public Switched Telephone Network. AT&T Relay Service and I keep seeing "ITA-2", but no documents...
This is the best link I found about the subject: Older TDDs (prior to V.22) use 1800 Hz/1400 Hz FSK half-duplex operation with an approximate baud rate of 45.5 in the U.S.A. and 50 in Europe.
"while the stronger attempts could sure use the extra effort to make them better."
Yeah, but 'the stronger' is a subjective definition. The sole reason why the weak ones survive is because there are people that like it more than what you, or maybe even most other people, consider the 'strong one'.
Open Source is not a one party system. Even the weak have a place. All it needs to be is have some loving users and maybe somebody who can do some programming.
There is absolute quality control in Open Source: if nobody likes it, then it dies. It's an ecosystem instead of a company structure that decides what lives and what dies.
It would be pointless to sacrifice everybody who doesn't agree with the majority, just to make that 'top app' a tiny bit better. Those people don't have to accept being sacrified, because they have the source and can do with it whatever they want, without being forced onto something they don't like.
"OpenSource is supposed to be a place where this shouldnt happen"
And why is that? The fact that many people try similar things each in different ways is the main reason why open source is as strong as it is. It's an ecosystem, bad implementations/projects will die off, and the good ones will survive. If more than one is good, each in their own niche, then more than one will survive. In a business environment, somebody at the top, who usually doesn't even know all the details, sets a course for a product and that will be the only product available -> end result there is only one product. But is that a good thing? No, it is not, because that one product will never cover the entire demand market.
Sure, abiword will make sure that openoffice.org will never be 'as big as msoffice' in numbers of users, but that is because some people will be using openoffice.org, some others abiword, some others koffice, etc, and all users will be very happy.
Now also guess why open standards is another strong point of Open Source. Those are needed to make it all possible.
The point of the GPL is not to let you download your own compiled version of firmware into any device that contains GPL software. The point is that if the device that contains GPL software includes any changes (such as fixes, ports, improvements, new features) to the GPL software, that the modified version of the GPL software is available to others.
Which is the exact reason why the device manufacturers should have nothing to fear from the GPL, because they only need to give back the source of GPL-ed components, including the improvements/changes that they made, but they don't need to include value-added software that is not GPL that they created completely themselves (which may link with LGPL software, but not with GPL software).
So if the embedded device manufacturer made a nice program to provide a good configuration interface, then they probably don't need to release the source to that, but if they added a feature to GPL software, for example a new RFC support for the kernel TCP/IP stack, then they do need to release that part.
It's nothing new in their 'strategy' if they sue Google.
It's just their evil plan B . Another lawsuit for <pinky to mouth>one billion dollars</pinky to mouth>.
So IBM didn't fall for it, and didn't buy the remains of SCO for enough money to make McBride, Noorda, Canopy and the rest of the gang rich from their SCOX stock sales. Now they will try to intimidate somebody else with lawyers.
I wouldn't want Office 2003 either... According to the television it causes your co-workers to dump water on your head.
No thanks.
"The only way to do it without modifying the cache controller to do distributed cache coherency is to turn off the data cache completely."
Not true, because pages can be marked read-only, or even marked to fault on a read, at which point the OS can use mutexes/semaphores across any type of network to ensure data coherency. And IIRC, both openssi and openmosic either already can do that, or will be very soon (follow the links, or search for migShm).
Again, latency will suck compared to shared memory on SMP or true NUMA, but it will be shared memory with no other difference than the latency and bandwidth.
"This is a fact: most people are anti-Linux, not anti-MS."
I'm not convinced. People may appear 'anti-Linux', but I'm not convinced that they really are. You may be right in how 'people' respond to this news, and Windows/IIS security breaches, but that may not be because they are anti-Linux, it may simply be because they hold Linux to higher standards. They may not even expect Windows/IIS to be secure anymore, but hope Linux can save the day.
On a side note, I'm a Debian user, and I really hope that they get to the bottom of this soon and fix the cause of the breach, because I am worried, disappointed and also embarrassed. It's good that they found it withing 24 hours, but it's not good that it happened. So I hope they recover quickly, and put things in place to do their best to make sure it doesn't happen again. If this happens more often, then the Windows-zealots will have won...
Besides all that, it's not very hard to make a case that actually the reason why most people are not Linux users is not because they are anti-Linux, but because they either don't care, don't know, or are simply pro-MS. Neither of which requires them to be anti-Linux.
There is a lot of don't know/don't care or just plain lazyness out there. For people to be pro-Linux, they have to care first, because the easy route is to just do what most other people do, and to use computers/laptops as-is as they arrive from the store where you bought them.
Then, if somebody tells you that you should switch to Linux because it is 'better', or 'more secure', then it is a lot easier to find reasons to say that 'linux sux' and the 'linux zealots are wrong' than it is to throw away all your effort to learn Windows, and to switch to/install, and learn to use Linux. Lazyness...
And that is what is happening in this forum amongst the non-Linux users, they are just unwilling to invest the time learn Linux, and want to feel justified in that choice. Hence the bashing...
Agreed, it won't have special hardware for NUMA, but it still is a single system image. The only way you and your apps will notice the difference is by the speed. The OS can make memory appear shared between processes, independent from whether or not the memory is shared across a special NUMA bus, or ethernet. The difference is only visible from the latency and bandwidth the app gets.
Maybe it wasn't originally delivered as a single system image, but they could still install this on it instead of beowulf/pvm/mpi/mosix and then it becomes a single system image cluster.
Here is a free single system image clustering system for Linux. IIRC it was HP that helped that project get a jumpstart.
An what about not-for profit mailing lists between fans of something or the other, or the many mailing lists that open source projects use for communication between users and between developers. Many of such lists exist. And the list operators and users have no funds available to make any tax payments. For example, there is a mailing list for gcc development that sends out an email each time when somebody commits something to the gcc cvs tree. That is very useful if you're following the development, or are actually developing for gcc. Would you still commit that patch/fix/speedup to a public repository if you would have to pay the tens of thousands times the so called miniscule cost of a cvs commit email? If the government is allowed what level of tax is 'miniscule', it will most probably be in the order magniture of 1cent per email? Or 0.1cent? Even at 0.1cent per email, a mailing list with ten thousand subscribers would cost a whopping $10 per incoming email (per cvs commit, etc)... The linux kernel mailing list would cost a fortune to operate.
So if they tax email, we (users of nonprofit mailing lists) will be forced to move our text-based communication to another protocol (http?) for the Internet part, and then convert it back to email locally on our own computers (and vice versa for the outgoing email, convert it to a http post or something).
Yeah, and a company called brighthouse bought the cable here, and now it's still called RoadRunner, but brighthouse decided not to increase our speed to 3Mb... And when it became Brighthouse, they told us we wouldn't notice the difference, except for all those exciting new services that they promised. Yeah, exciting and new services, sure, not really. I've got the HBO on demand, but it skips and hickups at least once every fifteen minutes, so watching an on demand show is filled with messing with pause and play on the remote trying to get the video stream working again (no it's not the quality of the signal, because the regular analog channels are good and noise and interference free).
Summary: I'm a little unhappy that brighthouse sucks compared to what we could and should have had, plus the brighthouse TV ads that seem to run continuously, and that are trying to sell cable tv to cable tv customers (duh!) are really getting on my nerves too...
A switch is not a button. A switch breaks the circuit and cuts the power. Hence, there will be no fan running after you flip the switch...
Yes I've seen projectors with both a switch and a button, and their lamps suddenly last a lot longer when you tell their owners about the button, the lamp, and the fan.
Hmm.
700 Lumens at 110" and still 'looks great during the day'.
Lumens is an absolute measure of light defined in physics. Unless the manufacturers are lying about the numbers, it's comparable between brands.
At 700 Lumen spread across a 110" screen, there is not much light left per unit surface area.
Indoor artificial lighting for offices is usually 300-500 lux, and outdoors it goes up to 30000 lux. Lux is lumens per square meter. So, assuming your 110" measure is the size of the bottom edge of your screen, then you have about 5.8 square meters of screen, which under office lighting conditions already gets 1750-2900 lumens of light. So an additional 700 lumens of light on that surface is going to be visible, but the contrast will not be that great. If your 110" is the diagonal, the numbers get a bit better but still, the ambient light would have to be made pretty close to dark to give a good contrast.
Or are you using some sort of wonder screen?