The coersion sucks however, it's an idea that should have been done long ago. Now you won't have folks that shouldn't be driving skipping from state to state getting licenses.
Like any database of info, as long as it's not abused , it has potential for good. That's a big if in today's political climate.
I sincerely hope the federal government is coughing up the cash for these changes. States are already strapped as it is!
I agree. It does sound like prestige spending...if this was a school other than Case (I am from Cleveland), I would think so except from one fact...
Case has lots of geeks (very extensive engineering offerings, especially biomedical). More than just about anywhere else in Ohio (save--maybe--Ohio State).
Case has always been at the forefront of whole-campus connectivity (Cleveland FreeNet is an example) so it's not that surprising that they did it. They are just trying to keep up with themselves...which is a lot more acceptable than trying to keep up with the joneses like it seems that U of Memphis (or my school, csuohio.edu) tries to do.
Oregon Trail emphasized proper use of resources and knowledge of geography. Video games could be used to further education. People had their doubts about music as an educational tool as well. Two words for them: Schoolhouse Rock. I still remember most of the songs. If done with the proper blend of entertainment (or replay value in the case of games) and educational content, it could work very well.
yeah, smart ass...I thought they were 85 bucks...no where to be found. And if you have nothing constructive or accurate to say, go somewhere else, dick.
Campus-wide wireless is fine...if the university could subsidize some of the cost of the cards. The U of Akron has campus-wide wireless but...the cards are 140 dollars! They require the Cisco Aironet cards.
That's a lot considering that tuition has gone up 14.45% from last year (a 9% increase for fall and a 5% increase for spring).
Considering that there aren't any more sections of classes...I don't feel that I am getting my money's worth. This is what happens when you build prisons instead of putting the money into education. And they wonder why graduates leave Ohio...
-thedeacon
My sentiments exactly! This is an example of a standard as it should be. Philips is using the standard to enable unadulterated cd use for the good of all instead of bastardizing the standard to cater to the narrow needs of special interests.
My portable is a Phillips and my next component CD player may very well be one also.
Not really sure...but since they are telling people about it, I am leaning more towards the former. Now, if this was the US, I would be very suspicious.
While an even better solution would be for the US Government would be to get off of their lobbyist-padded asses and really PUNISH Microsoft for unleashing these products on people and using their chicanery to gain market share of monopolistic proportions.
If you have access to a few boxes, I would suggest setting up a *BSD or GNU/Linux server and showing your higher ups that there are ways to manage content and that you and your crew can competently maintain and control it. Maybe, if they are reasonable, they will loosen your reins and you can get some of the things you want to do done. Nothing quite like having everything in-house if you can swing it. Don't forget to mention that getting the OS and associated software (Apache, PHP, Jakarta, MySQL, PostgreSQL, and the like) are free!
Good luck to you and your dealings with the red tape of public employment. I have been there.
Well, I removed the version of galeon that came with RH 7.2 and upgraded Mozilla. Lo and behold, galeon 1.0 is out. So, I downloaded it and installed it after Mozilla. It's all gravy like Thanksgiving dinner thus far.
I should be running mozilla 0.9.6 right? Nope! Thanks to Galeon's dependancy on the older mozilla. In the words of Cartman "son of a bitch!". So, Red Hat 72ers...I guess we will have to go the compile route.
You have to think....idiotic to who? If you are a champion of technically superior operating systems whose goals are performance, security or freedom from oppressive software licensure and proprietary, closed standards, then you will think the MS way is ignorant (as I personally believe). But, if you only care about what "everybody else" is using and "we have been using it this long so why change", you will bow to the horde from Redmond. It's all a matter of perspective. Some people's only resources for computer knowledge is the undertrained (not their fault) man/woman in the blue shirt at Best Buy. Not many people do resarch into what they want out of a computer, much less choices for alternative OSes. To these people, they see MS as the only choice. MS's biggest threat is the education of these people. People waking up and seeing that there are other options.
You know, I like your thinking. That would be an interesting political mobilization. People don't seem to understand why both "major" parties disappoint me. Just look at the laws that are getting serious consideration. They care nothing about the rights of their customers because , to them, we are not customers(read: people who choose to spend money--even if it's zero dollars and zero cents--on a product), only consumers (read: people who just take whatever's there).
Teach them Python on Linux. Since Python is cross-platform, they can hone it wherever they have use of a computer.
The most important thing though is to build a good rapport with your students (read: don't bulls**t or talk condescendingly to them) and show the usefulness of all of this stuff that you are showing them. Show them how it's used in the "real" world and how they can use their imagination to combine the tools which you have provided (Python, Linux, etc.) to build new things. These students are our future.
The most disgusting thing about this post and the other post by LaminatorX on this subject is...that (s)he is absolutely correct. It's sad. All aspects of live are part of some corporate piece.
It's depressing. The government or corporations have no qualms about lying to us. Parts of the government can't be sued so if you get burned by them , that's just your tough luck. Look at the unarmed kid that got shot in Cincinnati. Let's look at that for what it is. A government official in gross dereliction of his duty. He KILLED someone. He took his LIFE. This wasn't meant to happen, but the Cincy police are shirking responsibility at every turn. Corporations can be sued but you will lose because they have high-powered liars, oops, I mean lawyers on their team. Sorry, you are going to need more than Matlock to solve this one.
Nowadays, if you don't have the blessing of the government or some corporate entity, you have no voice.
Land of freedom...bulls**t.
What if you have zero or two nics...what happens then?
user tracking is WRONG, I tell you...WRONG!
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Microsoft vs. Hollywood...who would win...
Hollywood would. They have better PR. Or you could be like me and hope they both lose, like Gore and Bush should have.
(damn right I voted for Nader)
...but the tie in game is going to be released on the Xbox...and who makes the Xbox...I can't remember.
All I have to say is GameCube anyone (unless they have Nintendoitis--releasing only a handful of games and systems the first few months)?
Can you say "Baby Bell"? The masses are pacified with their little dial-up connections so they don't even want to hear are arguments for DSL. Hell, the phone companies can barely provide reliable plain telephone service. Don't believe me? Look at Ameritech. Ask anyone in Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan or Ohio(me).
I beg to differ....what recourse do we REALLY have. Oh yes, we can split them up. It worked so well with the Baby Bells and it did such a blow to AT & T...wait, AT & T is one of the cable companies.
The pagan credo goes "Harm none, do what you will". However, these cable companies (with higher prices and bad customer service in tow) will "harm anyone and do what they will". The government has given them license to. So, when they are screwing us...we have no legal recourse...and don't think that the government cares about the citizens. We don't have enough money to lobby them.
It's like the steel companies. They did nothing to prevent lower grade, cheaper, imported steel from coming in and as a result legions of steelworkers lost their jobs and whole cities economies have been devastated (example: Youngstown, OH, USA) The point is the government could have stopped the steel from being imported to allow the American steel industry to prosper but they did not. Now the government is being asked to help the bleeding stop...when they are holding the machete. Doesn't make much sense...
So, in short, we have NO recourse.
Working in a big, bloated corporate environment isn't exactly conducive to learning (I am finishing a B.S. in Math--the CIS program sucked and I am learning more on my own and through work experience) and doing useful, let alone progressive things. But, if you find one person, just one, who knows what they are doing and are doing something you would like to do, follow them. Hound them. Get them coffee. Make them brownies (no hash). But, most importantly, ask them questions. I worked at a place full-time and in the maelstrom that was that job, I had a EXTREMELY brilliant woman to ask about different technologies. It was invaluable. Also, speaking for myself, I learn well that way-one on one, not 300 student lectures.
I work in IT at a 2-year proprietary school and they have outright dismissed the idea of students working in our environment. I am a student myself at a 4-year university (majoring in Math) but I have experience and knowledge which is beyond the things that I am being asked to do at the 2-year school (e.g. make cat5 cable, burn backup CD's, etc.). These things would be a challenge and valuable knowledge to a beginning student worker.
To me, it also seems like a faith issue. I honestly don't think that my employer would hire graduates that they turn out; in medical assisting and other fields, maybe but in computers, no. You have to be suspicious of a college that will not hire its own students. It's a very sharp reminder of the fact that they don't believe in what they are doing.
What do you expect from a college that splits it academic(NT servers-Win98clients) and corporate(Novell servers-Win95...yes, I said 95...clients)networks AND has their corporate offices in Arkansas...the hot bed of technology?
It's funny that you should use NeXT as your comparison. I cut my computing teeth on Mac and then NeXT (at Allegheny College...the only college in America that had a whole campus NeXT network). Other than the hardware being slow (even for 1994), it was a great OS. I almost cried (tears of joy) when I saw Mac OS X.
I love Linux too, and I am glad to see NeXT...errr, I mean OS X, but I think that both will still hold their own. Why? Not everybody can afford to plop down the loot for a new iMac, iBook, PowerBook or Cube so Mac OS X won't take off like Linux did. Remember, one of the big things about Linux that made it take off (when other UNIX variants didn't is that it ran on hardware that many users already have and can easily afford.
But, I do know this. When I get the money for a new machine, it will be a Mac...with OS X...and Linux, side by side, making awesome music together. The key word in that last sentence is together.
I am voting for Ralph Nader because I don't think that a corporation comes before the common good of humans. I also find fundamental wrong in candidates that use scare tactics (Bush, Buchanan) and smoke and mirrors (Will the real Al Gore PLEASE stand up) to get me to vote for them. I want it straight. That's why I respect Jesse Ventura and that's why my vote's with Nader. Nader has been a black eye to corporate America for years, no wonder why he's not debating. That's why I am voting.
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The coersion sucks however, it's an idea that should have been done long ago. Now you won't have folks that shouldn't be driving skipping from state to state getting licenses.
Like any database of info, as long as it's not abused , it has potential for good. That's a big if in today's political climate.
I sincerely hope the federal government is coughing up the cash for these changes. States are already strapped as it is!
I agree. It does sound like prestige spending...if this was a school other than Case (I am from Cleveland), I would think so except from one fact...
Case has lots of geeks (very extensive engineering offerings, especially biomedical). More than just about anywhere else in Ohio (save--maybe--Ohio State).
Case has always been at the forefront of whole-campus connectivity (Cleveland FreeNet is an example) so it's not that surprising that they did it. They are just trying to keep up with themselves...which is a lot more acceptable than trying to keep up with the joneses like it seems that U of Memphis (or my school, csuohio.edu) tries to do.
-deac
Oregon Trail emphasized proper use of resources and knowledge of geography. Video games could be used to further education. People had their doubts about music as an educational tool as well. Two words for them: Schoolhouse Rock. I still remember most of the songs. If done with the proper blend of entertainment (or replay value in the case of games) and educational content, it could work very well.
0x03 is a magic number.
-deac
yeah, smart ass...I thought they were 85 bucks...no where to be found. And if you have nothing constructive or accurate to say, go somewhere else, dick.
Campus-wide wireless is fine...if the university could subsidize some of the cost of the cards. The U of Akron has campus-wide wireless but...the cards are 140 dollars! They require the Cisco Aironet cards.
That's a lot considering that tuition has gone up 14.45% from last year (a 9% increase for fall and a 5% increase for spring).
Considering that there aren't any more sections of classes...I don't feel that I am getting my money's worth. This is what happens when you build prisons instead of putting the money into education. And they wonder why graduates leave Ohio...
-thedeacon
My sentiments exactly! This is an example of a standard as it should be. Philips is using the standard to enable unadulterated cd use for the good of all instead of bastardizing the standard to cater to the narrow needs of special interests.
My portable is a Phillips and my next component CD player may very well be one also.
Much repsect.
-Derek
Not really sure...but since they are telling people about it, I am leaning more towards the former. Now, if this was the US, I would be very suspicious.
There is water in the Microsoft pool? I thought it was full of pee and other excrement anyway?!
Between Major League Baseball and Microsoft, I have lost what little faith that I had in the Government's interest in the people's well-being.
While an even better solution would be for the US Government would be to get off of their lobbyist-padded asses and really PUNISH Microsoft for unleashing these products on people and using their chicanery to gain market share of monopolistic proportions.
Just a thought...
thedeacon
Good luck to you and your dealings with the red tape of public employment. I have been there.
Well, I removed the version of galeon that came with RH 7.2 and upgraded Mozilla. Lo and behold, galeon 1.0 is out. So, I downloaded it and installed it after Mozilla. It's all gravy like Thanksgiving dinner thus far.
the deacon
What should happen?
I should be running mozilla 0.9.6 right? Nope! Thanks to Galeon's dependancy on the older mozilla. In the words of Cartman "son of a bitch!". So, Red Hat 72ers...I guess we will have to go the compile route.
any suggestions
--the deacon
You have to think....idiotic to who? If you are a champion of technically superior operating systems whose goals are performance, security or freedom from oppressive software licensure and proprietary, closed standards, then you will think the MS way is ignorant (as I personally believe). But, if you only care about what "everybody else" is using and "we have been using it this long so why change", you will bow to the horde from Redmond. It's all a matter of perspective. Some people's only resources for computer knowledge is the undertrained (not their fault) man/woman in the blue shirt at Best Buy. Not many people do resarch into what they want out of a computer, much less choices for alternative OSes. To these people, they see MS as the only choice. MS's biggest threat is the education of these people. People waking up and seeing that there are other options.
Derek
The Geek party...
You know, I like your thinking. That would be an interesting political mobilization. People don't seem to understand why both "major" parties disappoint me. Just look at the laws that are getting serious consideration. They care nothing about the rights of their customers because , to them, we are not customers(read: people who choose to spend money--even if it's zero dollars and zero cents--on a product), only consumers (read: people who just take whatever's there).
The most important thing though is to build a good rapport with your students (read: don't bulls**t or talk condescendingly to them) and show the usefulness of all of this stuff that you are showing them. Show them how it's used in the "real" world and how they can use their imagination to combine the tools which you have provided (Python, Linux, etc.) to build new things. These students are our future.
Derek
The most disgusting thing about this post and the other post by LaminatorX on this subject is...that (s)he is absolutely correct. It's sad. All aspects of live are part of some corporate piece.
It's depressing. The government or corporations have no qualms about lying to us. Parts of the government can't be sued so if you get burned by them , that's just your tough luck. Look at the unarmed kid that got shot in Cincinnati. Let's look at that for what it is. A government official in gross dereliction of his duty. He KILLED someone. He took his LIFE. This wasn't meant to happen, but the Cincy police are shirking responsibility at every turn.
Corporations can be sued but you will lose because they have high-powered liars, oops, I mean lawyers on their team. Sorry, you are going to need more than Matlock to solve this one.
Nowadays, if you don't have the blessing of the government or some corporate entity, you have no voice.
Land of freedom...bulls**t.
What if you have zero or two nics...what happens then?
user tracking is WRONG, I tell you...WRONG!
Microsoft vs. Hollywood...who would win... Hollywood would. They have better PR. Or you could be like me and hope they both lose, like Gore and Bush should have. (damn right I voted for Nader)
...but the tie in game is going to be released on the Xbox...and who makes the Xbox...I can't remember. All I have to say is GameCube anyone (unless they have Nintendoitis--releasing only a handful of games and systems the first few months)?
Can you say "Baby Bell"? The masses are pacified with their little dial-up connections so they don't even want to hear are arguments for DSL. Hell, the phone companies can barely provide reliable plain telephone service. Don't believe me? Look at Ameritech. Ask anyone in Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan or Ohio(me).
The pagan credo goes "Harm none, do what you will". However, these cable companies (with higher prices and bad customer service in tow) will "harm anyone and do what they will". The government has given them license to. So, when they are screwing us...we have no legal recourse...and don't think that the government cares about the citizens. We don't have enough money to lobby them.
It's like the steel companies. They did nothing to prevent lower grade, cheaper, imported steel from coming in and as a result legions of steelworkers lost their jobs and whole cities economies have been devastated (example: Youngstown, OH, USA) The point is the government could have stopped the steel from being imported to allow the American steel industry to prosper but they did not. Now the government is being asked to help the bleeding stop...when they are holding the machete. Doesn't make much sense... So, in short, we have NO recourse.
Working in a big, bloated corporate environment isn't exactly conducive to learning (I am finishing a B.S. in Math--the CIS program sucked and I am learning more on my own and through work experience) and doing useful, let alone progressive things. But, if you find one person, just one, who knows what they are doing and are doing something you would like to do, follow them. Hound them. Get them coffee. Make them brownies (no hash). But, most importantly, ask them questions. I worked at a place full-time and in the maelstrom that was that job, I had a EXTREMELY brilliant woman to ask about different technologies. It was invaluable. Also, speaking for myself, I learn well that way-one on one, not 300 student lectures.
I work in IT at a 2-year proprietary school and they have outright dismissed the idea of students working in our environment. I am a student myself at a 4-year university (majoring in Math) but I have experience and knowledge which is beyond the things that I am being asked to do at the 2-year school (e.g. make cat5 cable, burn backup CD's, etc.). These things would be a challenge and valuable knowledge to a beginning student worker.
To me, it also seems like a faith issue. I honestly don't think that my employer would hire graduates that they turn out; in medical assisting and other fields, maybe but in computers, no. You have to be suspicious of a college that will not hire its own students. It's a very sharp reminder of the fact that they don't believe in what they are doing. What do you expect from a college that splits it academic(NT servers-Win98clients) and corporate(Novell servers-Win95...yes, I said 95...clients)networks AND has their corporate offices in Arkansas...the hot bed of technology?
It's funny that you should use NeXT as your comparison. I cut my computing teeth on Mac and then NeXT (at Allegheny College...the only college in America that had a whole campus NeXT network). Other than the hardware being slow (even for 1994), it was a great OS. I almost cried (tears of joy) when I saw Mac OS X. I love Linux too, and I am glad to see NeXT...errr, I mean OS X, but I think that both will still hold their own. Why? Not everybody can afford to plop down the loot for a new iMac, iBook, PowerBook or Cube so Mac OS X won't take off like Linux did. Remember, one of the big things about Linux that made it take off (when other UNIX variants didn't is that it ran on hardware that many users already have and can easily afford. But, I do know this. When I get the money for a new machine, it will be a Mac...with OS X...and Linux, side by side, making awesome music together. The key word in that last sentence is together.
I am voting for Ralph Nader because I don't think that a corporation comes before the common good of humans. I also find fundamental wrong in candidates that use scare tactics (Bush, Buchanan) and smoke and mirrors (Will the real Al Gore PLEASE stand up) to get me to vote for them. I want it straight. That's why I respect Jesse Ventura and that's why my vote's with Nader. Nader has been a black eye to corporate America for years, no wonder why he's not debating. That's why I am voting.