While I will never try to legislate your (or anyone's) actions, I think that the choice is made when a female allows a male entrance. There are caveats, true.
But, if a religious person/couple opposed to abortion fertilizes many eggs, shouldn't they do their best to bring *all* to term? I think it would be hypocrisy to do otherwise.
if you really believed that embryos had the same worth as a fetus or a child and a hospital was burning and you could only rescue all the babies in the maternity ward(we'll say 24 of them) or all of the potential babies in the cryogenic freezer then you logically would rescue the freezer as you would save far more lives. I for one would choose the actual babies and save the maternity ward.
False Dichotomy
Or put another way, same proposition, only one choice, a baby or an old grandmother. Which would you save?
Or your old grandma or an unknown baby? which? Or your baby and and unknown granny? which?
Are you saying that pretty much all people since there have been humans have had schizophrenia?
And only in the last couple hundred years the number with schizophrenia have gone down noticeably, and in the last 40 years there was a huge move in human health/dna in the direction away from schizophrenia?
Let's say Toyota designs a car. Toyota builds a few of them and tests them. Toyota fixes and repeats. Then Toyota starts to sell them.
Now for the sake of argument, you and I want a Toyota. Currently for cars, if Toyota made and sold one car, either you or I could have it. Not both. But fast forward a few years when we have replicators. Now Toyota sells one car, and I Replicate it once. (at the same cost for Toyota to replicate it) You get one and I get one.
The one I sell to you was never possessed by Toyota. Obviously there are some problems* there, but that's not the same as walking on the local Toyota dealership and taking one they paid to replicate. What I deprived them of is a theoretical sale. Not a vehicle.
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*Basically Toyota needs its creation cost back. And some profit as a carrot for the creation of more cool cars I can replicate when Toyota finishes creating them.
Reminds me of Matthew 10:27: What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs.
Or even more interesting, Luke 8:17: For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
I am not defending Christendom, but Jesus (both quotes above from JC) was pretty different than what you see from most 'Christians.'
Religion is something that was used in old times to control people and have them do "moral" actions (moral here being what the government considered good)
While technically true, I think that a more accurate statement is that governments use religion to control people. Take Christianity for instance. Even a secular look at it will tell you that Christians avoided secular power until after Constantine, that's 300 years. Even then He and those after him were only able to do so much and had to fuse Christianity and paganism (see Christmas and Saturnalia or Sun worship) to get the populace behind him. However after that, the pope was only too glad to get involved in politics.
Religion has power. That power can be used for evil, or for awesome. Very little of the latter is found in the wild though.
we don't exist at all outside of the simulation, other than maybe as some processes running in a data center (or someones bedroom closet).
That sounds like the Greek Fates. Please be original.
. But the guy over there who owns 37 mansions and an army of robots might resent me trying to live off of his 'hard work'.
Why is that so true?
But the op's original proposition will never come about in a capitalist world. There will be a slow move where robotics get cheaper and more sophisticated and human labor (not currently replaceable) gets more expensive on one hand and on the other hand, the replaced human labor becomes cheaper (parity with minimum wage+OH).
At some point all the jobs will be replaceable. Somewhere in there will be some political/social upheaval and either the robots become the iron fist of the oligarchy or they get destroyed.
Or, what will you do when your job gets 'robiticized'?
Maybe that's part of why it usually goes away for car accident victims with PTSD (you/they pretty much still have to drive/ride in this day and age) and becomes chronic in war vets. (No more exposure after 1 or 2 tours)
I know it's no longer accurate, but for the longest geneticists thought humans and chimps were 99% similar genetically.... but there does seem to be a gulf...
OTOH, in unrelated cow developments, (not new) is the Super Cow
The researchers began to see new prion-infected cells after leaving the swa-sensitive prion in the drug for 22 cell divisions, which took about 22 days. In other petri dishes, drug resistant strains did not emerge until the cells had doubled over 50 times, or for 50 days. From these results, Weissmann's team approximated that one swa-resistant prion will emerge for every one million new prions that are formed.
Does that mean that all individual prions in all petri dishes were successful in spreading?
I thought I remembered that, but I couldn't find it. Don't know why. I don't have access to Nature, and $32 is too much money to me just to find out if the article talks about how the Cit+ E. Coli came about genetically.
Did they discuss this mutation in this article? The abstract doesn't even mention the Cit+ E. Coli.
I wonder if they found the answer to Lenski's question near the end of his 2008 paper: "What physiological mechanism has evolved that allows aerobic
growth on citrate?"
I personally am very interested in what is happening in Iran. Mousavi and co. seem to be getting close to actually doing something. But on the flip side, think of Al Queada and re-read the quote by Gandhi. Still very accurate.
As regards your sig, the original quote goes more like "The love of money is a root of all kinds of injurious things." I, for the life of me, do not know why it is misquoted so much.
I am not arguing either way regards original proposition of Atheism=Religion, however, regarding:
In atheism, just as in agnosticism, there is no canon, no dogmas, no defined set of rules...It all depends on how convinced you are that there is no God.
You could also say similar things for Christendom or Islam or any other religion.
Here is the defense of my statement: In Christendom there is really only one common belief, and that is Jesus=Savior. Look at Eastern Orthodox vs. Catholicism vs. Unitarian vs. LDS etc. Sure there is the Bible and all, but there is so much done and believed by Christendom that is nowhere found in it, and not believed or done that is in it.
As for Islam, it's pretty fractured also. Thanks to Iraq, the western world (Even a Fox News Watcher) now knows about those sects within Islam. See also Islamic Schools and Branches
Much the same for other religions.
Some may argue that Atheism doesn't effect the actions of non-believers in #god, I argue the exact same could be said for much of those who profess belief.
That all being said, I think that to some, Atheism would be their religion; others, just how they were raised; others, a way not to be constrained by a 'moral code' not of their defining others, resultant of revulsion at the idea of eternal torture; and many many other reasons. Depends on the person.
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For a kid below the age of about 7 the world is a magical place and santa is a part of that wonder so is flying raindeer and elves.
I'm 31 and the world is still a magical place. (metaphorically) Isn't life (nature) itself magical enough? And I never said imagination would be verboten.
The world for most of us is a much more mundane place even with Christianity wedging itself into our magical festival theres not much belief in elves or flying raindeer for the Christians.
I didn't know you worshiped the sun...
It's not really christian.
Like I said before, I knew the truth about Christmas when I was little, including where it came from and how it was 'christianized.'
It's a time for being nice to each other and if magic is real isn't that fantastic isn't the world better for magic? now tell me why you want to suck that joy out of your childrens lives?
Every day of the year is a great time to be nice to each other. That's how I try my best to do it. It also sounds like you wish there was something supernatural to the universe. I see that in pretty much all humanity. I wonder why...
As for the joy in childrens lives and sucking it out; Reality is never so harsh as when you just step out of Fantasy. Many people believe knowledge destroys innocence. Knowledge in fact preserves innocence. Innocence will keep you joyful.
now you can be cynical and see it all as a waste of money and exploitation of your wallet but really the look of happiness as your kids unwrap their presents, well worth it.
Actually Science and the Bible agree that money doesn't buy happiness. And where did you see me say that giving (including gifts) was wrong or bad. 364 other days to do that w/o having to lie. If I have kids, I indeed do plan on giving gifts, year round, to them. Why not try an unexpected time and unexpected gift if you want to see joy on someone's eyes.
I ask you to notice today what actually makes those around you happy. The actual items given, the association of friends and family, the action of gift-giving and gift-receiving, or Santa Claus and flying reindeer.
There is plenty of time for the drudgery that most of us live with
the worlds better with santa, and a little magic
I feel for your drudgery. I really do. Maybe the drudgery is partly because all non-essential consumption largely revolves around one day of the year?*
Is this world too far gone for a person to be unable to find joy in reality? Again, it's almost as if Humans needed magic or the supernatural for happiness or joy.
*Black Friday, closely connected with Christmas.
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"magic of Santa Claus" "purer hearts"
I'm sorry, maybe I've been brainwashed, but I always thought that pure hearts didn't believe in/perpetuate lies.
OTOH, the world w/o Christmas would surely put a severe crimp in the economy of said world...
P.S. Why don't you ask experienced LE when is the worst time of the year for crime/Domestic Abuse/etc. Guess what the answer will be?
That said, it is damn fun being a parent and following santa and all that.
I am not a parent, but if I ever do have a child, I don't plan on lying to him or her. Also my parents never celebrated Christmas and I never felt left out. I knew the reality about Christmas and Santa Claus since the time I knew there was such a thing.
bah, hard core atheist. really? Why teach (or allow to be taught to) your children blatant religious lies?
I don't do this often, and I did look, but [citation please]
This is what I found in Wikipedia:
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. The materialism of affluent Christian countries appears to contradict the claims of Jesus Christ that says it's not possible to worship both Mammon and God at the same time."
* As quoted by William Rees-Mogg in The Times [London] (4 April 2005) {not found}. Gandhi here makes reference to a statement of Jesus: “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." (Luke 16:13); also partly quoted in Christianity in the Crosshairs : Real Life Solutions Discovered in the Line of Fire (2004) by Bill Wilson
There seems to have been something on snopes about this but I couldn't find it...seems to no longer be there.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, if its there, even in a dead tree reference, let me know where. Thank you
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"anti-choice"?
While I will never try to legislate your (or anyone's) actions, I think that the choice is made when a female allows a male entrance. There are caveats, true.
But, if a religious person/couple opposed to abortion fertilizes many eggs, shouldn't they do their best to bring *all* to term? I think it would be hypocrisy to do otherwise.
if you really believed that embryos had the same worth as a fetus or a child and a hospital was burning and you could only rescue all the babies in the maternity ward(we'll say 24 of them) or all of the potential babies in the cryogenic freezer then you logically would rescue the freezer as you would save far more lives. I for one would choose the actual babies and save the maternity ward.
False Dichotomy
Or put another way, same proposition, only one choice, a baby or an old grandmother. Which would you save?
Or your old grandma or an unknown baby? which? Or your baby and and unknown granny? which?
Are you saying that pretty much all people since there have been humans have had schizophrenia?
And only in the last couple hundred years the number with schizophrenia have gone down noticeably, and in the last 40 years there was a huge move in human health/dna in the direction away from schizophrenia?
Please do expound.
How about a closer fitting car analogy.
Let's say Toyota designs a car. Toyota builds a few of them and tests them. Toyota fixes and repeats. Then Toyota starts to sell them.
Now for the sake of argument, you and I want a Toyota. Currently for cars, if Toyota made and sold one car, either you or I could have it. Not both. But fast forward a few years when we have replicators. Now Toyota sells one car, and I Replicate it once. (at the same cost for Toyota to replicate it) You get one and I get one.
The one I sell to you was never possessed by Toyota. Obviously there are some problems* there, but that's not the same as walking on the local Toyota dealership and taking one they paid to replicate. What I deprived them of is a theoretical sale. Not a vehicle.
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*Basically Toyota needs its creation cost back. And some profit as a carrot for the creation of more cool cars I can replicate when Toyota finishes creating them.
Reminds me of Matthew 10:27: What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs.
Or even more interesting, Luke 8:17: For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.
I am not defending Christendom, but Jesus (both quotes above from JC) was pretty different than what you see from most 'Christians.'
Religion is something that was used in old times to control people and have them do "moral" actions (moral here being what the government considered good)
While technically true, I think that a more accurate statement is that governments use religion to control people. Take Christianity for instance. Even a secular look at it will tell you that Christians avoided secular power until after Constantine, that's 300 years. Even then He and those after him were only able to do so much and had to fuse Christianity and paganism (see Christmas and Saturnalia or Sun worship) to get the populace behind him. However after that, the pope was only too glad to get involved in politics.
Religion has power. That power can be used for evil, or for awesome. Very little of the latter is found in the wild though.
we don't exist at all outside of the simulation, other than maybe as some processes running in a data center (or someones bedroom closet).
That sounds like the Greek Fates. Please be original.
. But the guy over there who owns 37 mansions and an army of robots might resent me trying to live off of his 'hard work'.
Why is that so true?
But the op's original proposition will never come about in a capitalist world. There will be a slow move where robotics get cheaper and more sophisticated and human labor (not currently replaceable) gets more expensive on one hand and on the other hand, the replaced human labor becomes cheaper (parity with minimum wage+OH).
At some point all the jobs will be replaceable. Somewhere in there will be some political/social upheaval and either the robots become the iron fist of the oligarchy or they get destroyed.
Or, what will you do when your job gets 'robiticized'?
How could you make a robot into a human legally? Incorporate it.
There's a work-play there with corporal, but it eludes me...hey Rachel, ... hey, Rosen!
Actually, what you did with friend is called exposure therapy
Maybe that's part of why it usually goes away for car accident victims with PTSD (you/they pretty much still have to drive/ride in this day and age) and becomes chronic in war vets. (No more exposure after 1 or 2 tours)
If I could, I'd mod you informative. Thanks
diploid for mammals...
I know it's no longer accurate, but for the longest geneticists thought humans and chimps were 99% similar genetically.... but there does seem to be a gulf...
OTOH, in unrelated cow developments, (not new) is the Super Cow
From the Article:
The researchers began to see new prion-infected cells after leaving the swa-sensitive prion in the drug for 22 cell divisions, which took about 22 days. In other petri dishes, drug resistant strains did not emerge until the cells had doubled over 50 times, or for 50 days. From these results, Weissmann's team approximated that one swa-resistant prion will emerge for every one million new prions that are formed.
Does that mean that all individual prions in all petri dishes were successful in spreading?
Prions scare the living brain out of me.
Thanks for the info.
I thought I remembered that, but I couldn't find it. Don't know why. I don't have access to Nature, and $32 is too much money to me just to find out if the article talks about how the Cit+ E. Coli came about genetically.
Did they discuss this mutation in this article? The abstract doesn't even mention the Cit+ E. Coli.
I wonder if they found the answer to Lenski's question near the end of his 2008 paper: "What physiological mechanism has evolved that allows aerobic growth on citrate?"
Is that discussed in the Nature paper?
Has the DNA Sequencing been done on his E. Coli?
If so, What was found?
If not, when do we expect it?
I personally am very interested in what is happening in Iran. Mousavi and co. seem to be getting close to actually doing something. But on the flip side, think of Al Queada and re-read the quote by Gandhi. Still very accurate.
As regards your sig, the original quote goes more like "The love of money is a root of all kinds of injurious things." I, for the life of me, do not know why it is misquoted so much.
In atheism, just as in agnosticism, there is no canon, no dogmas, no defined set of rules...It all depends on how convinced you are that there is no God.
You could also say similar things for Christendom or Islam or any other religion.
Here is the defense of my statement: In Christendom there is really only one common belief, and that is Jesus=Savior. Look at Eastern Orthodox vs. Catholicism vs. Unitarian vs. LDS etc. Sure there is the Bible and all, but there is so much done and believed by Christendom that is nowhere found in it, and not believed or done that is in it.
As for Islam, it's pretty fractured also. Thanks to Iraq, the western world (Even a Fox News Watcher) now knows about those sects within Islam. See also Islamic Schools and Branches
Much the same for other religions.
Some may argue that Atheism doesn't effect the actions of non-believers in #god, I argue the exact same could be said for much of those who profess belief.
That all being said, I think that to some, Atheism would be their religion; others, just how they were raised; others, a way not to be constrained by a 'moral code' not of their defining others, resultant of revulsion at the idea of eternal torture; and many many other reasons. Depends on the person.
I think you mean omniscient. Omnipotent is all powerful; omniscient is all knowing.
GWB is 'the shining one?' (Lucifer)
kdawson is a brazillian pop star? Makes sense...
For a kid below the age of about 7 the world is a magical place and santa is a part of that wonder so is flying raindeer and elves.
I'm 31 and the world is still a magical place. (metaphorically) Isn't life (nature) itself magical enough? And I never said imagination would be verboten.
The world for most of us is a much more mundane place even with Christianity wedging itself into our magical festival theres not much belief in elves or flying raindeer for the Christians.
I didn't know you worshiped the sun...
It's not really christian.
Like I said before, I knew the truth about Christmas when I was little, including where it came from and how it was 'christianized.'
It's a time for being nice to each other and if magic is real isn't that fantastic isn't the world better for magic? now tell me why you want to suck that joy out of your childrens lives?
Every day of the year is a great time to be nice to each other. That's how I try my best to do it. It also sounds like you wish there was something supernatural to the universe. I see that in pretty much all humanity. I wonder why...
As for the joy in childrens lives and sucking it out; Reality is never so harsh as when you just step out of Fantasy. Many people believe knowledge destroys innocence. Knowledge in fact preserves innocence. Innocence will keep you joyful.
now you can be cynical and see it all as a waste of money and exploitation of your wallet but really the look of happiness as your kids unwrap their presents, well worth it.
Actually Science and the Bible agree that money doesn't buy happiness. And where did you see me say that giving (including gifts) was wrong or bad. 364 other days to do that w/o having to lie. If I have kids, I indeed do plan on giving gifts, year round, to them. Why not try an unexpected time and unexpected gift if you want to see joy on someone's eyes.
I ask you to notice today what actually makes those around you happy. The actual items given, the association of friends and family, the action of gift-giving and gift-receiving, or Santa Claus and flying reindeer.
There is plenty of time for the drudgery that most of us live with the worlds better with santa, and a little magic
I feel for your drudgery. I really do. Maybe the drudgery is partly because all non-essential consumption largely revolves around one day of the year?* Is this world too far gone for a person to be unable to find joy in reality? Again, it's almost as if Humans needed magic or the supernatural for happiness or joy.
*Black Friday, closely connected with Christmas.
"magic of Santa Claus" "purer hearts"
I'm sorry, maybe I've been brainwashed, but I always thought that pure hearts didn't believe in/perpetuate lies.
OTOH, the world w/o Christmas would surely put a severe crimp in the economy of said world...
P.S. Why don't you ask experienced LE when is the worst time of the year for crime/Domestic Abuse/etc. Guess what the answer will be?
That said, it is damn fun being a parent and following santa and all that.
I am not a parent, but if I ever do have a child, I don't plan on lying to him or her. Also my parents never celebrated Christmas and I never felt left out. I knew the reality about Christmas and Santa Claus since the time I knew there was such a thing.
bah, hard core atheist. really? Why teach (or allow to be taught to) your children blatant religious lies?
I don't do this often, and I did look, but [citation please]
This is what I found in Wikipedia:
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. The materialism of affluent Christian countries appears to contradict the claims of Jesus Christ that says it's not possible to worship both Mammon and God at the same time."
* As quoted by William Rees-Mogg in The Times [London] (4 April 2005) {not found}. Gandhi here makes reference to a statement of Jesus: “No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." (Luke 16:13); also partly quoted in Christianity in the Crosshairs : Real Life Solutions Discovered in the Line of Fire (2004) by Bill Wilson
There seems to have been something on snopes about this but I couldn't find it...seems to no longer be there.
I'm not trying to pick a fight, if its there, even in a dead tree reference, let me know where. Thank you
That is so what I was going to say. It's almost like they're trying to give Jesus a bad name.
I find Gandhi's quote appropriate: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
No, you came here for an agrument. "I want to complain."