One response could be "You're preaching to the Choir" Please read carefully my whole post. Here's a little tidbit, research Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam and see how well they line up with Eve and Noah...
Now as to your quote from 2 Peter, don't forget John 12:28,29.
"Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, [saying], I have both glorified [it], and will glorify [it] again. The people therefore, that stood by, and heard [it], said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him."
People will believe what they want. Even the Bible gives people that option. Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live."
I'm not sure of your personal theology, but I think the best witness a Christian can give, along with oral testimony is 'show by example.'
As to the raising from the dead, I agree there is no proof that it happened other than the Bible. Really how could we prove anything about Alexander or Constantine or anyone else from history other than King Tut? (we have his body)
Uhhh....maybe the fact there are *more* scriptures mentioning them?
I'm not sure what you mean. Alexander the Great was not named in the Bible. Referred to here: Daniel 8:20-22 My point was that those people are in secular history *not in the bible* and we believe they existed... Why not discount them too? Maybe you were using satire?
I do remember that a card carrying scientist (I remember not who) on npr said to 'resurrect' someone, all you would need is their dna and a really good MRI... (or some kind of 'brain backup') Scientifically theoretically possible.
Oh yeah, they had plenty of that stuff 2000 years ago, that is common knowledge!
I'm not saying that is how it happened. I was saying that it was *scientifically* conceivable.
I do agree that it would have to be God or an alien race that had a 3500~ year jump on us. (a thousand or so Light years to get here)
Here is something interesting though, Pretty much every "Messiah" back at that time was thoroughly excoriated by the Jews. But they mention nothing at all about Jesus. Even if he was made up, surely they would point out that fact seeing as Jesus had followers that history does talk about. See the burning of Rome 64 CE. Tacitus talks about it here: Great Fire of Rome
Maybe there was some guy called Jesus, thinking he was 'The Son Of God' and some believing that. But the NT was written about 300 years after his death. If I fall and scratch my pinky, after it has been forwarded five times I will have broken my neck and after ten times I will be in loose pieces and to be glued together again. Leave alone if something has to be forwarded for threehundred years. A guy will start with sweaty feet and end up walking on water.
Also, you said the book was 2000 years old. Maybe for internal harmony with your arguments you want to revise that to 1700 years old?
As to the prophecies that are fulfilled, Here's just one, Matthew 7:21-23. There would be 'Christians' they would do 'funny' stuff and would be working lawlessness. I'll let you find those fulfillments. Also, not words of Jesus but in the Bible, is 2 Peter 2:1-3 Sects? Check! Hypocrisy? Check! That is pretty much why many people don't like "Christians"
Pretty easy to predict, knowing human nature.
And pretty uncommon for founders of religions too.
And I'll throw in one you might be interested in for free. History and the Bible both are clear that the first century Christians (and Christ) didn't involve themselves with politics. See John 18:36 or John 6:15
...So???
So any person who tries to force the teaching of ID/Creationism by legislation or laws forbidding Gay Marriage or Abortion are not following the example of Jesus Christ
As to the raising from the dead, I agree there is no proof that it happened other than the Bible. Really how could we prove anything about Alexander or Constantine or anyone else from history other than King Tut? (we have his body)
I do remember that a card carrying scientist (I remember not who) on npr said to 'resurrect' someone, all you would need is their dna and a really good MRI... (or some kind of 'brain backup') Scientifically theoretically possible.
Here is something interesting though, Pretty much every "Messiah" back at that time was thoroughly excoriated by the Jews. But they mention nothing at all about Jesus. Even if he was made up, surely they would point out that fact seeing as Jesus had followers that history does talk about. See the burning of Rome 64 CE. Tacitus talks about it here: Great Fire of Rome
As to the prophecies that are fulfilled, Here's just one, Matthew 7:21-23. There would be 'Christians' they would do 'funny' stuff and would be working lawlessness. I'll let you find those fulfillments. Also, not words of Jesus but in the Bible, is 2 Peter 2:1-3 Sects? Check! Hypocrisy? Check! That is pretty much why many people don't like "Christians"
And I'll throw in one you might be interested in for free. History and the Bible both are clear that the first century Christians (and Christ) didn't involve themselves with politics. See John 18:36 or John 6:15
Actually I wonder if this will sway any minds on the "Is math discovered or invented?" debate.
/tangent
But back on the subject... I have often wondered why life seems to have this innate 'desire' to stay alive (or at least propagate/procreate) Maybe that's the biggest anthropomorphical statement of all???
"Cells cleverly separate the most active genes into their own special neighborhood, to make it easier for proteins and other regulators to reach them," says Job Dekker, associate professor of biochemistry and molecular pharmacology at UMass Medical School and a senior author of the Science paper.
I'd like to see a study of correlationisnotcausation tags in/. articles, especially for filesharing/torrents and for other behaviors we like, but are said to be good/bad for us.
even on this discussion there are at least 4 statements I read along the lines 'I don't think this study can be true, because I feel *.'
Imagine, these people were worshiping crosses (or cross-like objects) long before "Christians" started to do so.
From GP's cite on wikipedia:
They soon discovered T-shaped pillars, some of which had apparently undergone attempts at smashing.[...]GÃbekli Tepe is the oldest human-made place of worship yet discovered.
thanks. I also read somewhere, but cannot find now, the theory that viruses had something to do with the portion of the dna that involves human intelligence. Now for some research/reading.
Here is a question I have been wondering about a long time. Do Humans and Chimps share any or many CNVs? what about SNPs? From the wikiverse, I was able to see that ERVs are common and the reason I was not spontaneously aborted during gestation. Is there more reading that I can find about ERVs, CNVs and SNPs online?
BTW, thanks for showing me a positive aspect (from human standpoint) of viruses.
Taking it one step further, why not give them (tomorrow's warrior) the unmutated myosin gene, thus able to be 5 to 7 times stronger kilo for kilo of muscle?
Or we could just help people with genetic problems, making the human race just a little better as a race. (hopefully)
Because they will simply break their bones when excerting their force ?
yeah, I thought of that too. But, bones respond to stress... Stronger with more stress. Why do not Chimps break their bones. If answer is genetic, then maybe viruses can do double duty...
I wonder what is the difference between chimp bones and human's
I wonder about the mechanism of how the gene goes from virus to DNA... (in the ?proper? place) If it was just as simple as get fixes near where they need to go, that would be awesome. What about genes for the UV cones (?rods?) that birds have? Or the EM wave properties of certain avians?
Will it only work this easy where something is lost? If not, Meet tomorrow's new warrior, able to see in the dark, radar, cell phone waves and electricity...
Taking it one step further, why not give them (tomorrow's warrior) the unmutated myosin gene, thus able to be 5 to 7 times stronger kilo for kilo of muscle?
Or we could just help people with genetic problems, making the human race just a little better as a race. (hopefully)
Go to a 3rd world country. Some friends of mine visited Georgia (the country) and traveled in the country. They said that most people their age (40s) would see their smiles and touch their own gums or want to touch my friends' teeth.
The Georgians couldn't believe my friends were in their 40s. The Georgians almost always didn't have teeth left. This was in the rural areas though. *shrug*
You're right, more chimera than Frankenstein's monster.
You got me thinking though, according to natural selection, all life is really Chimeran (a real word?). Humans are smarter than other great apes because viruses deleted/rewrote some of our DNA, at least that is one conclusion reached by researchers, IIRC. There are other examples of viruses loading foreign DNA into host cells.
Actually, the more I think about it, this is an example of "id." We really know that these mice have had some of their Genome designed by intelligence. (more correctly, Some of their genome was added to through cutting and pasting by design of an intelligent human) But that would not prove the existence of an "IDer," scientifically b/c supernatural is outside the realm of the scientific method.
2. How many other telomeres have been found in the middle of other organisms' chromosome pairs?
3.How often has this happened in other organisms? "Their format changed, but they didn't lose any information, so the mutation wasn't deadly."
4. Is there a mechanism that scientists have found that will allow for this telomere-telomere fusion to happen?
5. Is there evidence of these telomeres going somewhere else after fusion? If so, Where?
6. What is the basic known function of telomeres?
7. Do you believe/are you convinced that there is no god because of this study, or was that conclusion reached by you at some earlier or later time? If not by this discovery, then by what evidence?
Thanks, I'd like to know. As you can see from my sig, this science interests me.
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You are correct, except KT killed all dinosaurs and Permian didn't.
Well, the K-T event tells me that "I will Survive"
All Mammal species survived that event.
Is it just me or does Phobos seem like a drunk pirate with two peglegs has been wandering around on it?
One response could be "You're preaching to the Choir" Please read carefully my whole post. Here's a little tidbit, research Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam and see how well they line up with Eve and Noah...
Now as to your quote from 2 Peter, don't forget John 12:28,29. "Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, [saying], I have both glorified [it], and will glorify [it] again. The people therefore, that stood by, and heard [it], said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him."
People will believe what they want. Even the Bible gives people that option. Deuteronomy 30:19: "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live."
I'm not sure of your personal theology, but I think the best witness a Christian can give, along with oral testimony is 'show by example.'
As to the raising from the dead, I agree there is no proof that it happened other than the Bible. Really how could we prove anything about Alexander or Constantine or anyone else from history other than King Tut? (we have his body)
Uhhh....maybe the fact there are *more* scriptures mentioning them?
I'm not sure what you mean. Alexander the Great was not named in the Bible. Referred to here: Daniel 8:20-22 My point was that those people are in secular history *not in the bible* and we believe they existed... Why not discount them too? Maybe you were using satire?
I do remember that a card carrying scientist (I remember not who) on npr said to 'resurrect' someone, all you would need is their dna and a really good MRI... (or some kind of 'brain backup') Scientifically theoretically possible.
Oh yeah, they had plenty of that stuff 2000 years ago, that is common knowledge!
I'm not saying that is how it happened. I was saying that it was *scientifically* conceivable. I do agree that it would have to be God or an alien race that had a 3500~ year jump on us. (a thousand or so Light years to get here)
Here is something interesting though, Pretty much every "Messiah" back at that time was thoroughly excoriated by the Jews. But they mention nothing at all about Jesus. Even if he was made up, surely they would point out that fact seeing as Jesus had followers that history does talk about. See the burning of Rome 64 CE. Tacitus talks about it here: Great Fire of Rome
Maybe there was some guy called Jesus, thinking he was 'The Son Of God' and some believing that. But the NT was written about 300 years after his death. If I fall and scratch my pinky, after it has been forwarded five times I will have broken my neck and after ten times I will be in loose pieces and to be glued together again. Leave alone if something has to be forwarded for threehundred years. A guy will start with sweaty feet and end up walking on water.
Umm... Papyrus 52, 100 to 150 CE.
Some interesting facts here.
Also, you said the book was 2000 years old. Maybe for internal harmony with your arguments you want to revise that to 1700 years old?
As to the prophecies that are fulfilled, Here's just one, Matthew 7:21-23. There would be 'Christians' they would do 'funny' stuff and would be working lawlessness. I'll let you find those fulfillments. Also, not words of Jesus but in the Bible, is 2 Peter 2:1-3 Sects? Check! Hypocrisy? Check! That is pretty much why many people don't like "Christians"
Pretty easy to predict, knowing human nature.
And pretty uncommon for founders of religions too.
And I'll throw in one you might be interested in for free. History and the Bible both are clear that the first century Christians (and Christ) didn't involve themselves with politics. See John 18:36 or John 6:15
...So???
So any person who tries to force the teaching of ID/Creationism by legislation or laws forbidding Gay Marriage or Abortion are not following the example of Jesus Christ
As to the raising from the dead, I agree there is no proof that it happened other than the Bible. Really how could we prove anything about Alexander or Constantine or anyone else from history other than King Tut? (we have his body)
I do remember that a card carrying scientist (I remember not who) on npr said to 'resurrect' someone, all you would need is their dna and a really good MRI... (or some kind of 'brain backup') Scientifically theoretically possible.
Here is something interesting though, Pretty much every "Messiah" back at that time was thoroughly excoriated by the Jews. But they mention nothing at all about Jesus. Even if he was made up, surely they would point out that fact seeing as Jesus had followers that history does talk about. See the burning of Rome 64 CE. Tacitus talks about it here: Great Fire of Rome
As to the prophecies that are fulfilled, Here's just one, Matthew 7:21-23. There would be 'Christians' they would do 'funny' stuff and would be working lawlessness. I'll let you find those fulfillments. Also, not words of Jesus but in the Bible, is 2 Peter 2:1-3 Sects? Check! Hypocrisy? Check! That is pretty much why many people don't like "Christians"
And I'll throw in one you might be interested in for free. History and the Bible both are clear that the first century Christians (and Christ) didn't involve themselves with politics. See John 18:36 or John 6:15
The same way proteins fold...We don't know...
\tangent
Actually I wonder if this will sway any minds on the "Is math discovered or invented?" debate.
But back on the subject... I have often wondered why life seems to have this innate 'desire' to stay alive (or at least propagate/procreate) Maybe that's the biggest anthropomorphical statement of all???
And to top it off, it was ... Clever!!!
FTA:
"Cells cleverly separate the most active genes into their own special neighborhood, to make it easier for proteins and other regulators to reach them," says Job Dekker, associate professor of biochemistry and molecular pharmacology at UMass Medical School and a senior author of the Science paper.
This will arrive when it makes a profit, or a loss subsidized by Uncle S. Do you have enough chips to buy a place at the table, Big Algae?
Which brings up a question in my mind... How do nonfat algae chips taste? ... Off to Whole Foods (TM)
You want a serious citation?
Well here you go, It seems this man in this video had this treatment.
A side effect seems to be herculean strength and speed when tazed.
I'd like to see a study of correlationisnotcausation tags in /. articles, especially for filesharing/torrents and for other behaviors we like, but are said to be good/bad for us.
even on this discussion there are at least 4 statements I read along the lines 'I don't think this study can be true, because I feel *.'
Imagine, these people were worshiping crosses (or cross-like objects) long before "Christians" started to do so.
From GP's cite on wikipedia:
They soon discovered T-shaped pillars, some of which had apparently undergone attempts at smashing.[...]GÃbekli Tepe is the oldest human-made place of worship yet discovered.
I think I see Dr. Manhattan in the bottom picture of the first link. Or at least his head.
thanks. I also read somewhere, but cannot find now, the theory that viruses had something to do with the portion of the dna that involves human intelligence. Now for some research/reading.
According to Scientific Classification, maybe like Darwin's Fox and a Great Dane.
BTW, thanks for showing me a positive aspect (from human standpoint) of viruses.
Taking it one step further, why not give them (tomorrow's warrior) the unmutated myosin gene, thus able to be 5 to 7 times stronger kilo for kilo of muscle?
Or we could just help people with genetic problems, making the human race just a little better as a race. (hopefully)
Because they will simply break their bones when excerting their force ?
yeah, I thought of that too. But, bones respond to stress... Stronger with more stress. Why do not Chimps break their bones. If answer is genetic, then maybe viruses can do double duty...
I wonder what is the difference between chimp bones and human's
TetraChromancy? Four zombies from one infected dead body? Scary!!
Taking it one step further, why not give them (tomorrow's warrior) the unmutated myosin gene, thus able to be 5 to 7 times stronger kilo for kilo of muscle?
Or we could just help people with genetic problems, making the human race just a little better as a race. (hopefully)
The Georgians couldn't believe my friends were in their 40s. The Georgians almost always didn't have teeth left. This was in the rural areas though. *shrug*
It's related to something they're interested in already. Some will like, others will electrocute themselves.
And then we will find you under the bridge, transformed to a oscillating hunchback.
A Robertsonian translocation results when the long arms of two acrocentric chromosomes fuse at the centromere and the two short arms are lost.
That is not at all what happened here.
Research your answer to 5 a little better and get back to me.
Actually, the more I think about it, this is an example of "id." We really know that these mice have had some of their Genome designed by intelligence. (more correctly, Some of their genome was added to through cutting and pasting by design of an intelligent human) But that would not prove the existence of an "IDer," scientifically b/c supernatural is outside the realm of the scientific method.
1. How long is this telomere?
2. How many other telomeres have been found in the middle of other organisms' chromosome pairs?
3.How often has this happened in other organisms? "Their format changed, but they didn't lose any information, so the mutation wasn't deadly."
4. Is there a mechanism that scientists have found that will allow for this telomere-telomere fusion to happen?
5. Is there evidence of these telomeres going somewhere else after fusion? If so, Where?
6. What is the basic known function of telomeres?
7. Do you believe/are you convinced that there is no god because of this study, or was that conclusion reached by you at some earlier or later time? If not by this discovery, then by what evidence?
Thanks, I'd like to know. As you can see from my sig, this science interests me.