The last sentence seems to indicate the scientists involved believe that it could be done to us.
However, genetic alteration using the glyoxylate shunt may one day offer a solution to the major medical problems, early death, and rising health care costs associated with obesity
Also note how they introduced the genes to the mice:
The research team then introduced the genes into the livers of mice.
But this seems like risky behavior, as they used a gene that converts fat to sugar, however it converts fat to CO2 in the mice. What else is it doing that it doesn't do in the bacteria and plant seeds? Maybe nothing....
We demonstarted clearly
that germ cells dereived from XY hES cells are able to enter meiosis and complete
this process. In contrast, germ cells derived from XX hES cells express spermatogonia
specific markers, but are not able to complete meiotic process in vitro. There are
several lines of evidence demonstrating that genes on Y chromosomes are essential
for meiosis.
These variants were never problems in the early church and they are not not in Catholicism and the Orthodox churches because there is a very long tradition among them that church fathers, even today, can transmit to their followers the ultimate meaning of God's message and effectively channel God's will through themselves. Protestants are long since severed from that tradition, and their dependence on the determinacy of the text destroys the power of their message. I'm convinced that you cannot have a good knowledge of the history of the textual transmission of the Bible and be a Protestant.
Acts 17:11, Hebrews 4:12, Romans 8:38,39 and Mark 7:9
I'm wondering just WTF the Federal Govt. has to do with all this?
As someone told me about how to decipher hieroglyphics, "It's in the Federal Dictionary in the Federal Building, just go in there and ask for the Federal Dictionary and it's all in there."
Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I'm sure that most of us here wouldn't want living in our backyards.
And
How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me. It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.
If you need to get something off your chest, by all means...
If they can put in genetic code to embryos, I want Gattaca!! Even better, I want those virii to remove Male Pattern Balding, a redhead's suseptability to skin cancer, etc. I know, what could possibly go wrong?!? I might just be able to live forever.
As to arguments regarding Christianity on slashdot, I agree that/. is not a place for religious debate in general. However, It seems that here we are...
You know what I find interesting about WWI? From Wikipedia: Nicholas, Nicholas's wife, and Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany were all first cousins of George V, king of Great Britain. Nicholas and Wilhelm were not first cousins with each other, but they were fifth cousins since they were both also descended from George II, King of England.
I agree that neither war was a holy war. But pretty much all European combatants were 'Christian.' Both sides in both wars were preached into battle by clergy (after the first's start, and "Third Reich", anyone?). It may not have been the initially impelling force, but being family literally and "Spiritually" should have prevented the first. But my basic point was that Europe lived through all that carnage and religious fratricide and came out the other side questioning their God.
I went back and read some history again just now. My Point of View has always had a religious bent. If you have a secular viewpoint, that is what you will key in on. Almost no Christian religion remained neutral, where all should have. (If they wanted to follow their leader)
Western Europe is very secular now. Even more so than US. The 2 World wars did destroy mostly Europe and Europeans. Up to that point, most of Europe was "Christian." Since, it has changed in practice, not so much in name. I personally think that the brutality committed in the name of God on both sides (in Europe) disillusioned most of the people of Europe as regards to religion.
That was my point. If you feel I am wrong on the facts, I will gladly discuss them.
What has WWII got to do with christianity? Even the most loving person will act in self defense, love's no carte blanche ya know.
Germany and Italy were 95%+ 'Christian' Those didn't act in self defense. That was my main point.
And what's this about Japan? If the rest of the world was "proper christian", Japan would be the last loveless waring society left?
Yes, but the one I like more is "Well if everyone was like you and didn't fight, what would the world be like?" You just wait for them to realize what they said.
What is it with the alignment of slashdot and christianity, that whether you're for or against, put the two together and the resulting arguments are even more ridiculous than the sum of the pair.
I think you are saying that a person can't like/. and be a Christian? I think that a Christian can be interested in Geekdom or Science. Why not?
Jehovah's Witnesses were levied a 60% tax (backdated) a few years ago in France. A tax on donations. (They don't sell anymore) The case is still pending.
Before that "Watchtower" was banned in France and many french colonies after WWII.
But in defense of the Christianity of the Bible, WWII would have only been Japan vs ??? if French, German, Italian, British, Russian and American "Christians" had not made war with each other.
John 13:34,35: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. (NIV)
I've thought for a while it is because of the two world wars that destroyed so much in their back yard. (and front) Now they are sensitive to any "religious" group that has a detrimental effect on its members.
Now for some double blind work, raise a wolf around humans, and get a wild dog, and a wild wolf and dog that has been raised around Humans and see what happens...
Really though, You are right, people will do what they want to do. From Altruism to Murder, it pretty much all stems from desire. Desire for joys of MMO is greater than desire for joys of x, it seems in this case.
Why help? No man is an island. Also, if you feel compelled to help another do better in life, and don't try (or succeed), you feel bad.
So, figure out how to get someone to want to do something, and then act.
I was thinking one step further, if they own (are responsible for) something that kills my mom, My lawyer will have some papers (lawsuit) for them. See how they like that patent then...
Contrived legalities beget same, FTW (however, I don't really think they think their rights need to come with responsibilities. (Other than $$$))
as for the Blood soul thing, Genesis 9:4. The word translated life there is nephesh, the word for soul. Gesenius's Lexicon has some interesting points.
Here
As regards soul, the greco-roman ideal was that there was an ethereal substance, soul. I don't know when they thought it arrived at the body. Hebrew (language of OT) word for soul literally meant 'that which breathes' Also, blood is equated with soul in OT.
I wonder if you don't mind answering me this, what, other than nourishment, oxygen, and protection (albeit in relatively unorthodox ways), does a living (as in respiring) blastocyst or embryo or fetus need from anything?
In answer to your further questions in other posts about gametes, no human beings have 1/2 genetic code of any other human beings. However, AFAIK the zygote that became "NeutralStone" had the exact same DNA that you do now.
What differentiates Humans from other great Apes? Our DNA. When does that happen? At fertilization.
Newsflash: We have just found a way to use the volcanoes of the west coast to defend against the Soviet Russians and as an added bonus, to keep all the illegals south of the border.
Further research is needed for the successful weaponization of volcanoes against terrorists.
Here is where you really might be worried. From Tom's Hardware site.
"The advantage of using genetics is that things can be made better and better," Belcher said. "You are not stuck with a particular material; you have selection and evolution on your side because it can be genetically engineered."
I personally don't know about if/how a bacteriophage can attack other living things, but...
like another poster said we have bacteria that are inside us...
Hear, Hear!! The only possible downside is my mom getting this letter and coming down to my fortress of solitude (basement), and cutting my plugs while watchmen is seeding to the requisite 1.5 and, it being 12 noon, me being so passed out I can't hear her.
Astronomerspeak. They talk about when it happened as when the light of event arrived at earth. And then also say how far away event occurred. I hear it cuts down on all the confusion within the field, Bruce.
Slashdot Mirror
However, genetic alteration using the glyoxylate shunt may one day offer a solution to the major medical problems, early death, and rising health care costs associated with obesity
Also note how they introduced the genes to the mice:
The research team then introduced the genes into the livers of mice.
But this seems like risky behavior, as they used a gene that converts fat to sugar, however it converts fat to CO2 in the mice. What else is it doing that it doesn't do in the bacteria and plant seeds? Maybe nothing....
Mary Shelley's Genetic Frankenstein?
We demonstarted clearly that germ cells dereived from XY hES cells are able to enter meiosis and complete this process. In contrast, germ cells derived from XX hES cells express spermatogonia specific markers, but are not able to complete meiotic process in vitro. There are several lines of evidence demonstrating that genes on Y chromosomes are essential for meiosis.
These variants were never problems in the early church and they are not not in Catholicism and the Orthodox churches because there is a very long tradition among them that church fathers, even today, can transmit to their followers the ultimate meaning of God's message and effectively channel God's will through themselves. Protestants are long since severed from that tradition, and their dependence on the determinacy of the text destroys the power of their message. I'm convinced that you cannot have a good knowledge of the history of the textual transmission of the Bible and be a Protestant.
Acts 17:11, Hebrews 4:12, Romans 8:38,39 and Mark 7:9
I'm wondering just WTF the Federal Govt. has to do with all this?
As someone told me about how to decipher hieroglyphics, "It's in the Federal Dictionary in the Federal Building, just go in there and ask for the Federal Dictionary and it's all in there."
Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I'm sure that most of us here wouldn't want living in our backyards.
And
How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me. It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.
If you need to get something off your chest, by all means...
This comment elicited my only laugh all day.
Oh the tgHumanity!!
As to arguments regarding Christianity on slashdot, I agree that /. is not a place for religious debate in general. However, It seems that here we are...
You know what I find interesting about WWI? From Wikipedia: Nicholas, Nicholas's wife, and Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany were all first cousins of George V, king of Great Britain. Nicholas and Wilhelm were not first cousins with each other, but they were fifth cousins since they were both also descended from George II, King of England.
I agree that neither war was a holy war. But pretty much all European combatants were 'Christian.' Both sides in both wars were preached into battle by clergy (after the first's start, and "Third Reich", anyone?). It may not have been the initially impelling force, but being family literally and "Spiritually" should have prevented the first. But my basic point was that Europe lived through all that carnage and religious fratricide and came out the other side questioning their God.
I went back and read some history again just now. My Point of View has always had a religious bent. If you have a secular viewpoint, that is what you will key in on. Almost no Christian religion remained neutral, where all should have. (If they wanted to follow their leader)
That was my point. If you feel I am wrong on the facts, I will gladly discuss them.
What has WWII got to do with christianity? Even the most loving person will act in self defense, love's no carte blanche ya know.
Germany and Italy were 95%+ 'Christian' Those didn't act in self defense. That was my main point.
And what's this about Japan? If the rest of the world was "proper christian", Japan would be the last loveless waring society left?
Yes, but the one I like more is "Well if everyone was like you and didn't fight, what would the world be like?" You just wait for them to realize what they said.
What is it with the alignment of slashdot and christianity, that whether you're for or against, put the two together and the resulting arguments are even more ridiculous than the sum of the pair.
I think you are saying that a person can't like /. and be a Christian? I think that a Christian can be interested in Geekdom or Science. Why not?
Before that "Watchtower" was banned in France and many french colonies after WWII.
But in defense of the Christianity of the Bible, WWII would have only been Japan vs ??? if French, German, Italian, British, Russian and American "Christians" had not made war with each other.
John 13:34,35: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. (NIV)
Oh, Zenu's knocking on my door. b
Now for some double blind work, raise a wolf around humans, and get a wild dog, and a wild wolf and dog that has been raised around Humans and see what happens...
2???
3???
4 Help those around you.
5. Profit!!
Really though, You are right, people will do what they want to do. From Altruism to Murder, it pretty much all stems from desire. Desire for joys of MMO is greater than desire for joys of x, it seems in this case.
Why help? No man is an island. Also, if you feel compelled to help another do better in life, and don't try (or succeed), you feel bad.
So, figure out how to get someone to want to do something, and then act.
Contrived legalities beget same, FTW (however, I don't really think they think their rights need to come with responsibilities. (Other than $$$))
as for the Blood soul thing, Genesis 9:4. The word translated life there is nephesh, the word for soul. Gesenius's Lexicon has some interesting points. Here
I wonder if you don't mind answering me this, what, other than nourishment, oxygen, and protection (albeit in relatively unorthodox ways), does a living (as in respiring) blastocyst or embryo or fetus need from anything?
In answer to your further questions in other posts about gametes, no human beings have 1/2 genetic code of any other human beings. However, AFAIK the zygote that became "NeutralStone" had the exact same DNA that you do now.
What differentiates Humans from other great Apes? Our DNA. When does that happen? At fertilization.
Newsflash: We have just found a way to use the volcanoes of the west coast to defend against the Soviet Russians and as an added bonus, to keep all the illegals south of the border.
Further research is needed for the successful weaponization of volcanoes against terrorists.
1 John 5:19
"The advantage of using genetics is that things can be made better and better," Belcher said. "You are not stuck with a particular material; you have selection and evolution on your side because it can be genetically engineered."
I personally don't know about if/how a bacteriophage can attack other living things, but...
like another poster said we have bacteria that are inside us...
and they are more numerous than our cells.
The cake is a lie. You keep the cake.
Astronomerspeak. They talk about when it happened as when the light of event arrived at earth. And then also say how far away event occurred. I hear it cuts down on all the confusion within the field, Bruce.
I was actually celebrating addition of new music. I also liked old stuff. That's what i get for trying to be funny.
*whoosh*