This does not bode well for those of us who just paid top dollar for the last generation of AGP cards
Maybe you oughta reconsider those hasty purchases. I'm perfectly happy buying 6 month old hardware. Drivers are usually working pretty good by then and I don't lose nearly the amount of money you do on the "brand new" aspect of it all.
Hey clueless, your chipset is listed right there on the goddamn alsa page. A trained monkey could install the thing with those instructions. Your only situation is that you need to pull your thumb out of your ass and get a clue.
and please do not call linux users "lazy."
I'm not calling linux users lazy, I'm calling you lazy fucktard.
you're not unemployed by chance are you?
Like it's any of your fucking business.. but yeah, I got a pretty sweet job. I'm a work-from-home IT Manager. I manage a small team of programmers and sysadmins. I work from home every day except Tuesdays. I go into the office once a week for a couple of short meetings. Then it's back home for another work week where I do what I do best: programming, running Linux servers, and calling out lazy idiots like you when I see them. Everyday I get up around 8:55, walk down stairs to my office, login to my workstation and start my day. I can feel your envy from here!
i sincerely hope you are more intelligent than you sound.
There's no need in hoping anything on my behalf, my systems all have sound and work great.
compiling programs require a lot of time on the part of the user.
Oh boo! Poor baby can't stand a little compile time. You might as well just use windows as lazy as you are.
Obviously.. If you wanna run bloated binaries on your own hardware that you don't even seem to know very well, that's your own laziness. But you can always count on smart people telling you that's not optimal, and that a better way exists. A little extra time invested in the beginning goes a hell of a long way in performance gains down the road.
i waited for over a year before i went ahead in installing gentoo
The docs are right there.. so aside from someone doing the install for you, I don't see taking a year to prepare for a simple install. I think you needed the year to get up off your lazy ass and do it.
allow linux users to make an informed decision based on all the positives and negatives.
What negatives? I see none. All I see is a lazy wanna-be linux user who thinks average is good enough. Maybe you should try politics Anonymous Coward.
your "less than a day" is still longer than the 30-60 minutes it takes to install/upgrade mandrake with all the trimmings.
Yeah, multiply that by how many times you will reinstall Mandrake over the next 5-7 years because of the distro's end of life and new releases. Then add all your rpm dependancy troubleshooting time you will go through for each install. Then add your time of turning un-needed services off, securing the system, etc. If you think all that is less effort than a one-time Gentoo install you're nuts.
but i had to repeately configure and recompile the kernel until i had the options just right.
That's true of any distro until you get to know your hardware. I suspect if you want a bloated kernel with everything compiled in then you're golden using Mandrake. I'd rather have a smaller, faster kernel myself so I always compile my own. Then I backup my.config files so I never have to do them again for a given machine. make oldconfig works great on old kernel.config files.
alsa is just nuts
I suppose some people are incapable of following simple instructions. I've never once had an issue getting alsa working with Gentoo.
everyone is not like you, so give your ego a rest. recognize that different people have different needs. and, thus, more than one distro is good for all linux users.
It's not about ego, it's about doing the job right. Running binarys that are not optimized for the hardware they run on is just lazy on the part of the system administrator.
but to suggest that everyone should be running gentoo either makes you arrogent, elitiest, ignorant, or just plain stupid.
Since you put it that way, I guess I'll take the first two.
sure, gentoo will make your system be as fast a it can be. but it'll take you a upwards week just to compile everything
P133/64M 38hours. P233/128M 23hours Maybe you're not holding your mouth right when you type 'emerge system'.
(that is IF you don't run into installation trouble, which new users ALWAYS do).
I never had a question I couldn't find the answer to on Google, forums.gentoo.org, or the Gentoo listserv. How many distros even have a company sponsored community list serv?
need kde? sure, it'll take 8 hours on a top of the line pc.
My Athlon 1.67Ghz compiled the base system + X + KDE in less than a day. Stop your whining and turn off the quake server until the compile is done.
need mozilla firebird? sure, a few hours there to compile. oh oh, or how about openoffice. 10 to 20 hours (or more if estimates are correct) to compile.
If you don't think you have compile time, then compare the pains of upgrading to a whole new distro, add.iso download time, burn time, and install time, and Gentoo easily wins at my place.
gentoo is a great distro. that's why i use it. but it's not for everyone.
Sure it is, with people like you all whining about a little compile time, less new people will try it. So shut it.
Yeah, we're all malicious cause we want a secure OS, not some bullshit that hides it's flaws behind a compiled binary. They could easily allow everyone to see the code to help secure it. Programmers would send patches, really.
but if you turn this into a personal attack I will not reply any further
Please, do not stop replying, cause I'm not done showing you how wrong you are.
For example.. today's random M$ security issue is URL exploit. How long have URLs been around? Reminds me of the Polish losing their recipe for ice water or some shit.
If you guys would just shutup and install Gentoo you wouldn't be having these stupid distro discussions.
Gentoo is simple, one install per machine for life.
Put this in your daily cron to keep the whole system up to date: emerge sync emerge -pvu world Then every morning you can see what new stuff you may want to update that day.
Look for new software with: emerge -s whatever
Remove software with: emerge -pvC whatever
Unless you have and run exactly what chipset and compiler flags your "distro" based binarys are compiled for, your system will never be as fast as it can be.
It seems to me that the only reason more leaks in Windows have been found than others is because it is the more convenient operating system: most of the market share in the field runs under the "Start" button.
Yeah, so then by your conclusion, if less people ran windoze, it would somehow be more secure? You are truly clueless.
You must live in some bizzaro universe that doesn't have any security news sites.
For example, how many M$ virii are currently attacking major websites right this moment?
That's be two in case you're not paying attention.. same as the number of brain cells in your M$ brain.
Not in "kernels" unless they are assembly code kernels.
Exactly what is an assembly code kernel? Is this some gross generalization? I'm not aware of any kernel that doesn't have it's syscalls done in assembly if that's what you mean. For example you can't have user space write() until you have kernel space write() done in assembly.
Would it be that hard to make SATA an option on the install, along with the rest of the IDE controllers?
It's quite possible once they become more mainstream than not.
(I'd sorta have to have a good install to work from in the first place, don't ya think?)
Then you might wanna stick with Mandrake or Fedora.
And thanks to the mod who modded my original post down. I guess it's easier to moderate questions down than to answer them. But then I guess that's par for the course in OSS tech support!
Dealing with n00bs all day makes people bitter, go figure..
If they want to limit your bandwidth to xMbps, then why don't they just limit it to xMbps and be done? Seems like extra work on the part of the ISP to write letters and complain about something they directly control and can easily tweak.
But then again if they are as dumb as my ISP they may not be capable of turning the knob down.
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This does not bode well for those of us who just paid top dollar for the last generation of AGP cards
Maybe you oughta reconsider those hasty purchases. I'm perfectly happy buying 6 month old hardware. Drivers are usually working pretty good by then and I don't lose nearly the amount of money you do on the "brand new" aspect of it all.
I bet you are a real tough guy.
That's a pretty wise bet.
those instructions do not apply to my situation.
Hey clueless, your chipset is listed right there on the goddamn alsa page. A trained monkey could install the thing with those instructions. Your only situation is that you need to pull your thumb out of your ass and get a clue.
and please do not call linux users "lazy."
I'm not calling linux users lazy, I'm calling you lazy fucktard.
you're not unemployed by chance are you?
Like it's any of your fucking business.. but yeah, I got a pretty sweet job. I'm a work-from-home IT Manager. I manage a small team of programmers and sysadmins. I work from home every day except Tuesdays. I go into the office once a week for a couple of short meetings. Then it's back home for another work week where I do what I do best: programming, running Linux servers, and calling out lazy idiots like you when I see them. Everyday I get up around 8:55, walk down stairs to my office, login to my workstation and start my day. I can feel your envy from here!
i sincerely hope you are more intelligent than you sound.
There's no need in hoping anything on my behalf, my systems all have sound and work great.
compiling programs require a lot of time on the part of the user.
Oh boo! Poor baby can't stand a little compile time. You might as well just use windows as lazy as you are.
good for you! what does that have to do with my hardware?
It means your incapable of following simple instructions for your particular chipset.
i mean, am i missing something?
Obviously.. If you wanna run bloated binaries on your own hardware that you don't even seem to know very well, that's your own laziness. But you can always count on smart people telling you that's not optimal, and that a better way exists. A little extra time invested in the beginning goes a hell of a long way in performance gains down the road.
i waited for over a year before i went ahead in installing gentoo
The docs are right there.. so aside from someone doing the install for you, I don't see taking a year to prepare for a simple install. I think you needed the year to get up off your lazy ass and do it.
allow linux users to make an informed decision based on all the positives and negatives.
What negatives? I see none. All I see is a lazy wanna-be linux user who thinks average is good enough. Maybe you should try politics Anonymous Coward.
your "less than a day" is still longer than the 30-60 minutes it takes to install/upgrade mandrake with all the trimmings.
Yeah, multiply that by how many times you will reinstall Mandrake over the next 5-7 years because of the distro's end of life and new releases. Then add all your rpm dependancy troubleshooting time you will go through for each install. Then add your time of turning un-needed services off, securing the system, etc. If you think all that is less effort than a one-time Gentoo install you're nuts.
but i had to repeately configure and recompile the kernel until i had the options just right.
That's true of any distro until you get to know your hardware. I suspect if you want a bloated kernel with everything compiled in then you're golden using Mandrake. I'd rather have a smaller, faster kernel myself so I always compile my own. Then I backup my
alsa is just nuts
I suppose some people are incapable of following simple instructions. I've never once had an issue getting alsa working with Gentoo.
everyone is not like you, so give your ego a rest. recognize that different people have different needs. and, thus, more than one distro is good for all linux users.
It's not about ego, it's about doing the job right. Running binarys that are not optimized for the hardware they run on is just lazy on the part of the system administrator.
Compiler flags exist, use them!
but to suggest that everyone should be running gentoo either makes you arrogent, elitiest, ignorant, or just plain stupid.
Since you put it that way, I guess I'll take the first two.
sure, gentoo will make your system be as fast a it can be. but it'll take you a upwards week just to compile everything
P133/64M 38hours.
P233/128M 23hours
Maybe you're not holding your mouth right when you type 'emerge system'.
(that is IF you don't run into installation trouble, which new users ALWAYS do).
I never had a question I couldn't find the answer to on Google, forums.gentoo.org, or the Gentoo listserv. How many distros even have a company sponsored community list serv?
need kde? sure, it'll take 8 hours on a top of the line pc.
My Athlon 1.67Ghz compiled the base system + X + KDE in less than a day. Stop your whining and turn off the quake server until the compile is done.
need mozilla firebird? sure, a few hours there to compile. oh oh, or how about openoffice. 10 to 20 hours (or more if estimates are correct) to compile.
If you don't think you have compile time, then compare the pains of upgrading to a whole new distro, add
gentoo is a great distro. that's why i use it. but it's not for everyone.
Sure it is, with people like you all whining about a little compile time, less new people will try it. So shut it.
malicous people digging around for bugs
Yeah, we're all malicious cause we want a secure OS, not some bullshit that hides it's flaws behind a compiled binary. They could easily allow everyone to see the code to help secure it. Programmers would send patches, really.
but if you turn this into a personal attack I will not reply any further
Please, do not stop replying, cause I'm not done showing you how wrong you are.
For example.. today's random M$ security issue is URL exploit. How long have URLs been around? Reminds me of the Polish losing their recipe for ice water or some shit.
If you guys would just shutup and install Gentoo you wouldn't be having these stupid distro discussions.
Gentoo is simple, one install per machine for life.
Put this in your daily cron to keep the whole system up to date:
emerge sync
emerge -pvu world
Then every morning you can see what new stuff you may want to update that day.
Look for new software with:
emerge -s whatever
Remove software with:
emerge -pvC whatever
Unless you have and run exactly what chipset and compiler flags your "distro" based binarys are compiled for, your system will never be as fast as it can be.
And thanks RedHat for making me a Gentoo user!
he can be nabbed under wire fraud laws and be open to all sorts of tasty civil action.
In how many countries?
It seems to me that the only reason more leaks in Windows have been found than others is because it is the more convenient operating system: most of the market share in the field runs under the "Start" button.
Yeah, so then by your conclusion, if less people ran windoze, it would somehow be more secure? You are truly clueless.
You must live in some bizzaro universe that doesn't have any security news sites.
For example, how many M$ virii are currently attacking major websites right this moment?
That's be two in case you're not paying attention.. same as the number of brain cells in your M$ brain.
M$ sucks ass and windoze is riddled with security holes. Please add me now. Thanks.
Oh, wait, I forgot.. AC's don't have a 'retarded peon' list.
Is there a chance it's running windoze?
Cause everyone knows you have to reinstall windoze every so often. Yuk Yuk!
Now that was funny.
I benched MySQL4 on a dual Athlon-MP system and it ran about 32% faster in 64-bit mode. Try it yourself is all I can say.
It was a sweet upgrade as I had been using the server in 32-bit mode the first couple of months having it.
Not in "kernels" unless they are assembly code kernels.
Exactly what is an assembly code kernel? Is this some gross generalization? I'm not aware of any kernel that doesn't have it's syscalls done in assembly if that's what you mean. For example you can't have user space write() until you have kernel space write() done in assembly.
Would it be that hard to make SATA an option on the install, along with the rest of the IDE controllers?
It's quite possible once they become more mainstream than not.
(I'd sorta have to have a good install to work from in the first place, don't ya think?)
Then you might wanna stick with Mandrake or Fedora.
And thanks to the mod who modded my original post down. I guess it's easier to moderate questions down than to answer them. But then I guess that's par for the course in OSS tech support!
Dealing with n00bs all day makes people bitter, go figure..
If they want to limit your bandwidth to xMbps, then why don't they just limit it to xMbps and be done? Seems like extra work on the part of the ISP to write letters and complain about something they directly control and can easily tweak.
But then again if they are as dumb as my ISP they may not be capable of turning the knob down.
Probably shoulda been from the it's-a-slow-day-for-news-dept.
Here's some real news.
Both FFXI and FFX-2 both rock!
Awesome post
Wish I had mod points.
If you did sign up for "unlimited" services and find yourself in this predicament, what have you done to get your bandwidth issues resolved?
You can use the built-in traffic control capabilities in the Linux kernel. It's call 'tc' for traffic control.
Linux has MMORPG?
Wait, Linux has games?
That article will almost bring a tear to your eye..
You preach it brother. 4th time I heard it at least.
And why are we NOT DDoS'ing these websites?
We? Got a mouse in your pocket?