"A vigilante is a private individual who illegally punishes an alleged lawbreaker, or participates in a group which metes out extralegal punishment to an alleged lawbreaker."- Oxford English Dictionary
In what way has Wikileaks punished anyone? anonmyous may qualify, but Wikileaks, nope.
There is a huge difference between all 3 (assuming your post is accurate, citation would be nice).
1) Refusing service has always been an option. The only things we have said you cant refuse service for is age, race, and disability. 2) This is a disgusting practice which is legal in some states. I agree it is absurd 3) The difference here is he PAID for the product in question. This is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME, not a service.
The data is always useful to someone. Especially someone trying to make money. If you are the most boring person on earth and eat bread and water, walk to work, and only ride a bike as a hobby, the bread water, and bike people are going to be all over you. If you are the most typical person who watch reality TV, drive 8.3 miles to work, has 2.5 kids and a slightly overweight frigid wife....well you are in the demographic for a LOT of vendors.
Someone will always want that info.
as someone said above. The best you can do without dropping of fthe grid is keep the things that are really important to you off any digital stack.(website, harddrive, etc)
Except that almost every power base in the world (government, Religion, Corporations, schools, the militiary, cliques, clubs, etc operates on the basis of limiting your options and hiding information and judging other people.
Transparency is a laudable goal, but until we as a race can exceed our current ability, all transparency will do is ultimately liimit society**. People will revert to the pre-industrial village era where everyone knew everyones business and the local moral police came down hard on people who went out of the norm.
Except this will not be a local envelope, it will be national at least and in some cases global. We will have the LEAST tolerant and MOSt vocal among us trying to limit everything we do.
** I am speaking of transparency at an individual level, not at a corporate or governmental level. there is also the profit issue and the creepy issue which are completely different but no less compelling arguments.
I don't see the issue here. We raise our children to believe that money is the most important thing in the world, and they act accrdingly. Why on earth would that surprise anyone?
Apparently they auto-block websites, using whitelists only. So this new website comes online and its blocked. If they unblock it per their normal procedure, I see no issue.
(and i say this as someone who is against the limitations on the collective bargaining process)
This is a completely spurious line of thinking. Seriously, where does this kind of paranoia come from? Im not saying it is not possible, but stating it like it is fact is just absurd. And modding it up as insightful is reinforcing that absurdity. Likely Scenarios
1) They have a special use printer (someone mentioned Zebras above) that they had to create drivers for (I had this same issues with Linux based thin clients connecting to my citrix servers) 2) MS gave them a hell of a bargain to get back onto Windows/Office 3) Users did complain as you asserted. Although I would argue that the use of the word addicted is very ‘fox news-esque’ in that it implies that users wanting to use a tool they were familiar with equates with addiction. Lazy and showing lack of ability to embrace new things, but how is THAT a surprise to anyone. 4) There was some kind of backroom/unethical deal, in which case a corruption case is warranted. I could see this happening, especially when combined with #2. Give the people a reason to be shortsighted and send them to a ‘seminar’ for 2 weeks at a coastal resort as a reward. That kind of thing.
This is a case where I think the anal retentive nature of the German government might be useful is getting to the bottom of which of the cases above (or one I have not thought of) is the real culprit. I would assume that whatever the equivalent of the GAO in Germany has some real teeth.
But just being a bigoted asshole and accusing someone (or in this case multiple someone’s) of being an criminal does nothing to further the case for ensuring ethical behavior and just makes you look like a rabid douchebag. I swear, every day it seems like I see more and more examples of people being extreme asswipes. Apple, Google, Lunix, xtian, Muslim, Spain vs Basque separatists, boxers vs briefs, pop vs soda, ect ect etc. It’s all meaningless bullshit. In the end this is simply a fucking Os. A desktop OS at that.
Maybe it’s just a get off my lawn thing, but why can people just look at things rationally without getting whatever irrational crutch they gravitate to get in the way.....
Unlike SS & Medicare & Military spending, infrastructure investment (wise ones) often pay for themselves over time in increased GDP & tax revenue.
You want to fix the budget, fix the big 3 above. until you do that, stupid shit like getting rid of the DoEd, DoE, EPa and killing infrastructure projects is a drop in the bucket.
The real question is whether high speed rails makes sense from a population density standpoint. Regional connections certainly do:
BOS->NY->Wash or Philly SD->LA->SF-> maybe Por->Sea Stl->Chi->Mil->Minn Dal->Hou Tampa->Orl->Miami
The key is straight line routes to big cities with real transit options, especially commuter train options for local travel. The Chicago link is iffy, not sure if those cities are big enough. The rest make a lot of financial sense.
Notice that this comes from univeristy research, not big pharma. This highlights the flawed model of making vaccines and medicine profit based. While that works fine for symptom treatment, there is just no profit motive for curing disease or creating a 1 time vaccine. We need a new model to encourage cures over treatment.
1) Highschool science is not intended to teach science as much as teach the building blocks for performing science. How to follow the scientific method, how to measure properly, use tools, take results and compare them to a hypothesis. Those are valuable skills. Should they be taught earlier?? Maybe. But you can say that about a lot of skills in US schools. Logic being the big one in my mind. But in the end you have to give the students the skills
2) Allowing students to make decisions about ID without the tools to evaluate the data. (see point #1). Just because one person was able reconsile Religion and science the right way doesnt mean that some ignorant hick in rural Texas will do the same.
the problem with that is that a lot of people BELIEVE the drivel from their congress-critter, that having TSA check your junk or the FBI circumvent laws is OK in the effort to protect our rights. It is absurd of course, but they are too stupid or too brainwashed to care.
So those people you stand before will simply point to their districts opinion polls and say, I AM representing the will of the people.
I dont have a ton of time to dig up a full set of stats, but this is from the linked website
"In the United States, fatalities have increased slightly from 40,716 in 1994 to 42,884 in 2003. However, in terms of fatalities per 100 million miles driven, the fatality rate has dropped 16% between 1995 and 2005. Injuries dropped 37% over the same period. (National Traffic Safety Administration, 2006). Fatalities for those aged 16 and older show 55% of 2006 were unrestrained by seat belts and similar devices.[35]"
Here is moe from the BTS, there is no/mile driven stat but you can see the total statshave been fairly flat despite a massive increase in populaiton and distance driven.
And when gas fets to $5-6 a allon next year or 3, it will make a lot more sense. Gas is only going to go up in the long run, it started pre-resession, and the receded due to slow growth in the last 2 years. But as soon as we start getting back into a gowth phase oil will get to $120 a barrel again and we will be bitching about gas costs.
Better to start making the change over now and be ready for it.
If paying full price is the cost of preventing large corps from dominating the internet landscape, Im all for it.
in the end, it is about presenting a level playing field of all participants. There may be some inefficiency in this model, but that cost is more than made up for in choice and innovation.
The geatest risk to US innovation and continued dominance in Internet business is NOT regulation. It is the DoJ. In the future start ups are going to avoid the US because they can present the increased privacy as a selling point to consumers.
citation please. I cant think of one single liberal Fox news online anlyst. I see both conservative and liberal op ed pieces on cnn.com all the time. Most of them are terrible but at least they are diverse in nature.
Sounds to me like you are just apeing something you read somewhere, or are not taking to time to really look and going with your personal bias.
Here is a thought. Try not watching EITHER. Read some storis on both sites, then google those stories to get better sources. I think you will be shocked at how badly BOTH are at repoting all the facts. Fox does it intentionally in my opinion, CNN out of incompetence (When the summary from a slashdot post has more info than a CNN artcle, that is BAD). That is my opinion based upon the simple fact that if CNN were really trying to be biased like Fox they would not do such a piss poor job reporting the stories that supported their ideology. In a way the fact that Fox news is so good at what they do makes their intent really obvious.
the fact that Fox is right wing is NOT the reason people feel it is a bad news source. It is HW they present the news, how they filter their stories, and slant their stories constantly to effect a change in voter attitude an to forward a specific ideology.
An while I agree with you about benifit of the doubt from a legal standpoint, as a consumer and voter and citizen I have every right to use logic and connect the dots. Fox has a justified reputation. Some Fox reporters claimed they were being coerced. I see it as very likely that there is a culture at Fox which engenders that behavior in their producers if not overtly, then through other means.
And if you think that a company cannot control itsemployees through othr more subtle means, you need to work at a complany. ANY company.
he GP said to 'find a real news agency'. Not a real TVnews agency. Not a real cable new agency. The fact is that anyone who relies on the big 3 cable news for anythin other than a pointer to other sources is stupid. And if they rely upon ONLY the cable news agencies as pointers they are also stupid.
BBC Rueters ABC NYT Chicago Tribune Wash Post WSJ Newsweek.
All good sources for content or at leastpointers to real content.
you got further than me. I watched about 4 episodes on netflix. Once I realized that it was not going to settle down and become an actual sci-fi series I just quit
Slashdot Mirror
Vigilante
"A vigilante is a private individual who illegally punishes an alleged lawbreaker, or participates in a group which metes out extralegal punishment to an alleged lawbreaker."- Oxford English Dictionary
In what way has Wikileaks punished anyone? anonmyous may qualify, but Wikileaks, nope.
There is a huge difference between all 3 (assuming your post is accurate, citation would be nice).
1) Refusing service has always been an option. The only things we have said you cant refuse service for is age, race, and disability.
2) This is a disgusting practice which is legal in some states. I agree it is absurd
3) The difference here is he PAID for the product in question. This is a SINGLE PLAYER GAME, not a service.
IANAL, but If they took his MONEY, and then refused to produce the product purchased, that sounds a lot like fraud.
To clarify, this is NOT 'an American issue', this is a 'Utah is full of morons' issues.
The data is always useful to someone. Especially someone trying to make money. If you are the most boring person on earth and eat bread and water, walk to work, and only ride a bike as a hobby, the bread water, and bike people are going to be all over you. If you are the most typical person who watch reality TV, drive 8.3 miles to work, has 2.5 kids and a slightly overweight frigid wife....well you are in the demographic for a LOT of vendors.
Someone will always want that info.
as someone said above. The best you can do without dropping of fthe grid is keep the things that are really important to you off any digital stack.(website, harddrive, etc)
Except that almost every power base in the world (government, Religion, Corporations, schools, the militiary, cliques, clubs, etc operates on the basis of limiting your options and hiding information and judging other people.
Transparency is a laudable goal, but until we as a race can exceed our current ability, all transparency will do is ultimately liimit society**. People will revert to the pre-industrial village era where everyone knew everyones business and the local moral police came down hard on people who went out of the norm.
Except this will not be a local envelope, it will be national at least and in some cases global. We will have the LEAST tolerant and MOSt vocal among us trying to limit everything we do.
** I am speaking of transparency at an individual level, not at a corporate or governmental level.
there is also the profit issue and the creepy issue which are completely different but no less compelling arguments.
I don't see the issue here. We raise our children to believe that money is the most important thing in the world, and they act accrdingly. Why on earth would that surprise anyone?
The hedge fund thing just highlights the point.
This is not really a story.
Apparently they auto-block websites, using whitelists only. So this new website comes online and its blocked. If they unblock it per their normal procedure, I see no issue.
(and i say this as someone who is against the limitations on the collective bargaining process)
This is a completely spurious line of thinking. Seriously, where does this kind of paranoia come from? Im not saying it is not possible, but stating it like it is fact is just absurd. And modding it up as insightful is reinforcing that absurdity.
Likely Scenarios
1) They have a special use printer (someone mentioned Zebras above) that they had to create drivers for (I had this same issues with Linux based thin clients connecting to my citrix servers)
2) MS gave them a hell of a bargain to get back onto Windows/Office
3) Users did complain as you asserted. Although I would argue that the use of the word addicted is very ‘fox news-esque’ in that it implies that users wanting to use a tool they were familiar with equates with addiction. Lazy and showing lack of ability to embrace new things, but how is THAT a surprise to anyone.
4) There was some kind of backroom/unethical deal, in which case a corruption case is warranted. I could see this happening, especially when combined with #2. Give the people a reason to be shortsighted and send them to a ‘seminar’ for 2 weeks at a coastal resort as a reward. That kind of thing.
This is a case where I think the anal retentive nature of the German government might be useful is getting to the bottom of which of the cases above (or one I have not thought of) is the real culprit. I would assume that whatever the equivalent of the GAO in Germany has some real teeth.
But just being a bigoted asshole and accusing someone (or in this case multiple someone’s) of being an criminal does nothing to further the case for ensuring ethical behavior and just makes you look like a rabid douchebag. I swear, every day it seems like I see more and more examples of people being extreme asswipes. Apple, Google, Lunix, xtian, Muslim, Spain vs Basque separatists, boxers vs briefs, pop vs soda, ect ect etc. It’s all meaningless bullshit. In the end this is simply a fucking Os. A desktop OS at that.
Maybe it’s just a get off my lawn thing, but why can people just look at things rationally without getting whatever irrational crutch they gravitate to get in the way.....
Here you go folks, let those at the Muskegon Prosecutors office know how you feel about their use of tax dollars....
prosecutor@co.muskegon.mi.us
You are ignoring the fact that the VAST majority of our issues moving forward are related to non infrastructure related costs
Look at this chart
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fy2010_spending_by_category.jpg
Unlike SS & Medicare & Military spending, infrastructure investment (wise ones) often pay for themselves over time in increased GDP & tax revenue.
You want to fix the budget, fix the big 3 above. until you do that, stupid shit like getting rid of the DoEd, DoE, EPa and killing infrastructure projects is a drop in the bucket.
The real question is whether high speed rails makes sense from a population density standpoint. Regional connections certainly do:
BOS->NY->Wash or Philly
SD->LA->SF-> maybe Por->Sea
Stl->Chi->Mil->Minn
Dal->Hou
Tampa->Orl->Miami
The key is straight line routes to big cities with real transit options, especially commuter train options for local travel. The Chicago link is iffy, not sure if those cities are big enough. The rest make a lot of financial sense.
Notice that this comes from univeristy research, not big pharma. This highlights the flawed model of making vaccines and medicine profit based. While that works fine for symptom treatment, there is just no profit motive for curing disease or creating a 1 time vaccine. We need a new model to encourage cures over treatment.
you are missing some fital points
1) Highschool science is not intended to teach science as much as teach the building blocks for performing science. How to follow the scientific method, how to measure properly, use tools, take results and compare them to a hypothesis. Those are valuable skills. Should they be taught earlier?? Maybe. But you can say that about a lot of skills in US schools. Logic being the big one in my mind. But in the end you have to give the students the skills
2) Allowing students to make decisions about ID without the tools to evaluate the data. (see point #1). Just because one person was able reconsile Religion and science the right way doesnt mean that some ignorant hick in rural Texas will do the same.
the problem with that is that a lot of people BELIEVE the drivel from their congress-critter, that having TSA check your junk or the FBI circumvent laws is OK in the effort to protect our rights. It is absurd of course, but they are too stupid or too brainwashed to care.
So those people you stand before will simply point to their districts opinion polls and say, I AM representing the will of the people.
You are factually wrong regarding small cars.
I dont have a ton of time to dig up a full set of stats, but this is from the linked website
"In the United States, fatalities have increased slightly from 40,716 in 1994 to 42,884 in 2003. However, in terms of fatalities per 100 million miles driven, the fatality rate has dropped 16% between 1995 and 2005. Injuries dropped 37% over the same period. (National Traffic Safety Administration, 2006). Fatalities for those aged 16 and older show 55% of 2006 were unrestrained by seat belts and similar devices.[35]"
http://sites.google.com/site/freeautoaccidenthelp/death-and-injury-statistics-regarding-auto-accident-in-the-us
Here is moe from the BTS, there is no /mile driven stat but you can see the total statshave been fairly flat despite a massive increase in populaiton and distance driven.
http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_transportation_statistics/2002/html/table_02_01.html
There is more wrong in your post, but I dont have time to point it out. Long story short, bad info bad opinions.
And when gas fets to $5-6 a allon next year or 3, it will make a lot more sense. Gas is only going to go up in the long run, it started pre-resession, and the receded due to slow growth in the last 2 years. But as soon as we start getting back into a gowth phase oil will get to $120 a barrel again and we will be bitching about gas costs.
Better to start making the change over now and be ready for it.
If paying full price is the cost of preventing large corps from dominating the internet landscape, Im all for it.
in the end, it is about presenting a level playing field of all participants. There may be some inefficiency in this model, but that cost is more than made up for in choice and innovation.
you could argue the pope deserrves to be in that category as well.
The geatest risk to US innovation and continued dominance in Internet business is NOT regulation. It is the DoJ. In the future start ups are going to avoid the US because they can present the increased privacy as a selling point to consumers.
That is fine as long as I can sell my license to another person for whatever ammount I like.
citation please. I cant think of one single liberal Fox news online anlyst. I see both conservative and liberal op ed pieces on cnn.com all the time. Most of them are terrible but at least they are diverse in nature.
Sounds to me like you are just apeing something you read somewhere, or are not taking to time to really look and going with your personal bias.
Here is a thought. Try not watching EITHER. Read some storis on both sites, then google those stories to get better sources. I think you will be shocked at how badly BOTH are at repoting all the facts. Fox does it intentionally in my opinion, CNN out of incompetence (When the summary from a slashdot post has more info than a CNN artcle, that is BAD). That is my opinion based upon the simple fact that if CNN were really trying to be biased like Fox they would not do such a piss poor job reporting the stories that supported their ideology. In a way the fact that Fox news is so good at what they do makes their intent really obvious.
the fact that Fox is right wing is NOT the reason people feel it is a bad news source. It is HW they present the news, how they filter their stories, and slant their stories constantly to effect a change in voter attitude an to forward a specific ideology.
An while I agree with you about benifit of the doubt from a legal standpoint, as a consumer and voter and citizen I have every right to use logic and connect the dots. Fox has a justified reputation. Some Fox reporters claimed they were being coerced. I see it as very likely that there is a culture at Fox which engenders that behavior in their producers if not overtly, then through other means.
And if you think that a company cannot control itsemployees through othr more subtle means, you need to work at a complany. ANY company.
wish I had mod points for this. This is EXACTLY the reason it showed up on Fox.
he GP said to 'find a real news agency'. Not a real TVnews agency. Not a real cable new agency. The fact is that anyone who relies on the big 3 cable news for anythin other than a pointer to other sources is stupid. And if they rely upon ONLY the cable news agencies as pointers they are also stupid.
BBC
Rueters
ABC
NYT
Chicago Tribune
Wash Post
WSJ
Newsweek.
All good sources for content or at leastpointers to real content.
you got further than me. I watched about 4 episodes on netflix. Once I realized that it was not going to settle down and become an actual sci-fi series I just quit