This sounds really interesting to me. I do have a question about 2.4 in general though. How well does it run on pre-pentium hardware?
I remember when 2.2 series came out, many were saying to stay at 2.0.x for pre-pentium hardware because 2.2 would just not run adequately. Was this true in the first place, and does 2.4 'raise the bar' at all for hardware requirements?
I only ask because my linux firewall/masq box for my cable at home is running a 2.0.36 kernel on a 386 and there probably isn't any hope.
For a while I was using a P-150 running a 2.2.x kernel (RedHat 6.2 install, probably) and ipchains seemed to be much better than ipfwd.
At some point I decided I needed that box for another project, so I dusted off that crap old Compaq (a laptop, no less!) and pressed it into service as my masq box using a docking station (two ISA slots, WOOHOO!) and a couple of $7 SMC cards and slink. It works great as long as I don't try anything fancy.
But, the question is... what is a reasonable amount of hardware to expect to have to use for a 2.4-kernel firewall? I'd love to play with this. Think a 486-100 w 32Mb would be enough? It's not doing much, just sitting around for compiling kernels for the 386.;-)
Undoubtedly, this is the reason for thier actions.
Someone at Pillsbury was probably shocked and dismayed when doing a search on "bake-off" and getting all these hits that have nothing to do with proper use of the Pillsbury trademark.
There were a few times when this testing was focused, bringing
together all known implementations and running through a set of tests
in hopes of demonstrating the N squared connectivity and correct
implementation of the various tricky cases. These events were called
"Bake Offs".
So the term has obviously been in use for quite a long time. I'll bet what is driving this now is all these TCP testing-related websites getting higher page ranks than Pillsbury's official bake-off contest stite. It is causing consumer confusion! Too fscking bad!
Just from observation of how often I get points, I would have to agree with you. Seems like the frequency with which I post comments and the number of replies I get affects moderation points more than anything else. I typically spend my lunch hour browsing through comments, not really posting anything most of the time. Occasionally, I will be in a mood to post a few comments all at once and come back to my user page later in the day to see if anyone has replied. Seems like I will get 5 points in the few days immediately after posting like this.
Funny, because sometimes I don't even log on for days at a stretch and I don't get any points for months. Then, once I become more active with reading and posting, I will get moderator points.
Guess that's a pretty good way to do it vs just doling out points to whoever has the most karma points (for the record, I had an account prior to this one that I stopped using before the cap was instituted, I've been using this new one for several months and hit the cap only a couple of weeks ago).
After passing an initial test of suitability, administered by a Slashdot editor, a contribution is posted...
Like what, making sure it has Linux, Microsoft, CueCat and/or MPAA/RIAA in the subject line? I'm curious what the writer imagines this "test of suitability" to be?
"Fred, how's it going on the new project? I've been hearing really good things!"
"Oh, great boss! We've actually finished up the closed beta last week and are starting public next week. We are 2 months ahead of schedule and $30,000 under budget. Feedback from the beta along with marketing's assessment has been _really_ positive. Man, this is gonna be the killer app to end all killer aps!"
"Great! Now that the project is essentially complete, will you please come down to HR with me? Oh, it's just a little formality of company policy and has to do with the non-compete clause you signed when you started this job. Only take a minute or two..."
>What happens if the monkey reaches up and hits the camera? Ruined disc.
You are too close to the monkeys. Please back up out of monkey arm-reach. Thank you.
>What happens if an elephant sprays the camera? Ruined camera.
Depends on which end of the elephant the spray is coming from. If it is the long dangly end in the front, it is water with a trace of saliva. Your DVD-R camera is no worse off than any other contemporary digital camcorder. If the spray is coming from the other end, you are too close to the elephant. Please back up out of elephant urine spraying distance. Thank you.
>What happens if your son is using it to record the bears in the pit and then drops it into the pit? Ruined disc, THEN ruined camera.
What!? You are letting your son handle your brand-new DVD-R camcorder!? You deserve to have your new toy turned over to the bears.:-)
Seriously - how is this any worse than a DV camcorder? I'm assuming Hitachi must have ruggedized this enough tolerate moderate bumping and such. Dunno, can you buffer enough video in memory to overcome occasional skips, kind of like what goes on in a car CD player?
Absolutley. Thank god we live in a country where a youthful indescretion like being arrested for cocaine posession (allegedly) can be overlooked and that person can wipe his slate clean and someday become the leader of the free world.
...Used to be that you would go to a meeting and ask "Well, Bob... what do you THINK?"
and then Bob would respond with a logical discourse of his thoughts as they relate to the topic at hand in a logical, coherent manner.
Now, when people talk to Bob at the meeting, they ask "Well, Bob... what are your FEELINGS?"
whereupon Bob proceeds to dredge up all his crappy personal baggage while spewing out a bunch of fuzzy double-talk that has very little to do with the issue being discussed.
>whether 7300 out of several million is out of line with typical rates of reported credit card fraud
Yah, see your point. They said out of 3 million cards they have in their system (scary enough), only 7,500 users have reported any fraud (about 1/4 of one percent), none of which appears to be directly attributable to the break-in.
So, I guess they're saying 99.75% of the credit cards in their database for sure weren't disclosed and they have no proof that the rest were really related to their problem. That's still not good enough for me and I wanted to delete my account/CC# from their system, although there doesn't appear to be a way to do that from their website, and I am too lazy to sit on hold for 1/2 hour to talk to someone about it. I haven't seen any strange activity on the card (company card) so I guess I'll let it go.
My point was that this at least seemed like a better story than e-bay resetting a bunch of account options.
Hmm... when I got mine today it sounded like they thought there was some error in their system that didn't even present me the option of opting-out and so defaulted to 'no'.
To be honest, I don't remember - it was a while ago that I first signed up. If I did opt out, and now I have a couple weeks to opt-out again - it's not really that big a deal, is it? It would be different if they re-sent every e-mail they think I was supposed to get over the last six months. They reset my prefs to receive, they are going to hold off until 1/23 to start sending mail, and it took me a total of 15 seconds to go to my prefs page and turn them all off again.
How exactly is this evil enough to be a/. story
Egghead sent me a nice mail saying noone every really got my credit card even though 7300 people have reported fraud on their cards after the egghead crack, but/. doesn't think that is news?
K, then that is a pretty drastic modification of the commonly understood concept of 'vapourware', and seems a tad sensationalistic to me (is that even a word?)
I always thought of vapor as a whiff of smoke or something barely tangible. As applied to a software product announcement, I think of a statement that makes it sound as if the software already exists or is pretty much certain to be delivered within a set timeframe.
NT5 was vapor. 2.4 that had had lots of publicly realeased test versions was certainly not vapor by any reasonable measure.
Listing two criteria (eager anticipation, failure to appear before 12/31/2000) for calling something varourware as justification (by wired) for writing a fact-free, bullshit article reeks of incompetent, headline-grabbing journalism. "Talking out your ass" does not seem overly harsh to describe this, IMO.
Or maybe it is vapourware and I just dreamed that I've been running a 2.4 kernel on one of my test boxes for a good part of the year.
Oh yeah, right. Secret of My Success. He was put in the mailroom and then figured out he could do his 8 hour job in like 20 minutes and then spent the rest of the day posing as a board member.
...and wasn't there a Michael J. Fox movie along the same lines where he got a menial job in the mailroom and then bluffed his way into a corner office or something? (seem to recall that he was doing his uncle's wife without knowing who she was or something)
Really? What constitutes a 'mass layoff' then? My company has ~30,000 and we have had "RIFs" (Reduction In Force?) a couple times where lots and lots of people were told 'today is your last day'.
Plus, seems like if you give people 60 days notice, you are pretty much guaranteed to get zero work out of them and you might even see some sabotage?
I mean, it would suck to come into work and find out you don't have a job, but that seems to be the way it works. I've never heard of individuals being notified in advance that they were going to be laid off. I've seen where companies make an announcement that they are going to lay off x-number of people, though.
>I wonder if there is a reason for the trees planted neatly in a row?
Yeah, looks exactly like a 9-hole par-3 course to me (albeit without greens or sandtraps). Now wondering if it was just camo to try fooling the russians into thinking it was just a golf course, or did the NSA guys just like to keep their game up?:-)
Maybe I'm the only one who finds this a tad in bad taste? I'm not completely humorless, but I guess having been close to someone who was killed by a drunk driver, I don't find this very funny.
>The USPS rate raise is probably due to a lot of factors, I would guess that the rise in Oil prices are a big part of it
Oh, I realize that. I wasn't trying to say that the rates went up because of Junk mail, only arguing the point that an AOL cd in your mailbox costs you nothing. But I guess even that is next to nothing.
>Plus wasn't the most recent raise in 1st class postage $0.01?
Yep. They say last year they handled 200 billion pieces of mail. That obviously wasn't all 1st class mail, but probably a good chunk of it was and one cent increase on some fraction of 200 billion is still a lot of money.
Sure. $0.01 increase isn't a big deal for the dozen or so letters I mail each month. But dammit, I'm old enough to remember when it was a dime!
>...wonderfully idiotic marketing morons don't seem to realize that they don't need to send 15 AOL CDs to someone who already has AOL.
Heh, when we had AOL (my wife and kids) we got half a dozen CDs mailed to us every month. Since we've been off for a few years, it has dwindled down to next to nothing. Strange.
I'm just worried that if AOL gets it's way and the FCC forces AT&T to unbundle Cable access from ISP service, we would get bombarded again with unwanted CDs.
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This sounds really interesting to me. I do have a question about 2.4 in general though. How well does it run on pre-pentium hardware?
;-)
I remember when 2.2 series came out, many were saying to stay at 2.0.x for pre-pentium hardware because 2.2 would just not run adequately. Was this true in the first place, and does 2.4 'raise the bar' at all for hardware requirements?
I only ask because my linux firewall/masq box for my cable at home is running a 2.0.36 kernel on a 386 and there probably isn't any hope.
For a while I was using a P-150 running a 2.2.x kernel (RedHat 6.2 install, probably) and ipchains seemed to be much better than ipfwd.
At some point I decided I needed that box for another project, so I dusted off that crap old Compaq (a laptop, no less!) and pressed it into service as my masq box using a docking station (two ISA slots, WOOHOO!) and a couple of $7 SMC cards and slink. It works great as long as I don't try anything fancy.
But, the question is... what is a reasonable amount of hardware to expect to have to use for a 2.4-kernel firewall? I'd love to play with this. Think a 486-100 w 32Mb would be enough? It's not doing much, just sitting around for compiling kernels for the 386.
>So why aren't they suing comedy festivals?
Maybe they are? BTW: is sending a threating C&D letter the same a 'suing'?
>After all, that's the first url found by google.
Hmm... have to try others now and see if it is the same...
yahoo, altavista, excite and lycos all show pilsbury 1st
Someone at Pillsbury was probably shocked and dismayed when doing a search on "bake-off" and getting all these hits that have nothing to do with proper use of the Pillsbury trademark.
Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. *shakes head in dismay*
Also, there is this intersting IETF mail archive entry about this very issue from last November. It quotes text from RFC1025(Sept 1987) --
There were a few times when this testing was focused, bringing together all known implementations and running through a set of tests in hopes of demonstrating the N squared connectivity and correct implementation of the various tricky cases. These events were called "Bake Offs".
So the term has obviously been in use for quite a long time. I'll bet what is driving this now is all these TCP testing-related websites getting higher page ranks than Pillsbury's official bake-off contest stite. It is causing consumer confusion! Too fscking bad!
You do know that's "code" for a 'personal relaxation device', right?
"Honey, what's this on the credit card bill?"
"Oh, it's a foot masager."
Yeah, right.
>$1.21 in postage.
... $0.59
... $1.21
... priceless
>$0.59 for the bagel.
>For everything else, there's Mastercard.
Almost...
one bagel
first class postage
look on mail carrier's face
For everything else, there's Mastercard.
>That's usually not as easily said as it is done
:-)
Hmmm... I would have figured it was the other way around... easy to say, harder to do.
He should have no problem then!
Just from observation of how often I get points, I would have to agree with you. Seems like the frequency with which I post comments and the number of replies I get affects moderation points more than anything else. I typically spend my lunch hour browsing through comments, not really posting anything most of the time. Occasionally, I will be in a mood to post a few comments all at once and come back to my user page later in the day to see if anyone has replied. Seems like I will get 5 points in the few days immediately after posting like this.
Funny, because sometimes I don't even log on for days at a stretch and I don't get any points for months. Then, once I become more active with reading and posting, I will get moderator points.
Guess that's a pretty good way to do it vs just doling out points to whoever has the most karma points (for the record, I had an account prior to this one that I stopped using before the cap was instituted, I've been using this new one for several months and hit the cap only a couple of weeks ago).
Like what, making sure it has Linux, Microsoft, CueCat and/or MPAA/RIAA in the subject line? I'm curious what the writer imagines this "test of suitability" to be?
Man, that would be a bitch!
"Fred, how's it going on the new project? I've been hearing really good things!"
"Oh, great boss! We've actually finished up the closed beta last week and are starting public next week. We are 2 months ahead of schedule and $30,000 under budget. Feedback from the beta along with marketing's assessment has been _really_ positive. Man, this is gonna be the killer app to end all killer aps!"
"Great! Now that the project is essentially complete, will you please come down to HR with me? Oh, it's just a little formality of company policy and has to do with the non-compete clause you signed when you started this job. Only take a minute or two..."
Ouch!
okay, I can't resist :-)
:-)
>What happens if the monkey reaches up and hits the camera? Ruined disc.
You are too close to the monkeys. Please back up out of monkey arm-reach. Thank you.
>What happens if an elephant sprays the camera? Ruined camera.
Depends on which end of the elephant the spray is coming from. If it is the long dangly end in the front, it is water with a trace of saliva. Your DVD-R camera is no worse off than any other contemporary digital camcorder. If the spray is coming from the other end, you are too close to the elephant. Please back up out of elephant urine spraying distance. Thank you.
>What happens if your son is using it to record the bears in the pit and then drops it into the pit? Ruined disc, THEN ruined camera.
What!? You are letting your son handle your brand-new DVD-R camcorder!? You deserve to have your new toy turned over to the bears.
Seriously - how is this any worse than a DV camcorder? I'm assuming Hitachi must have ruggedized this enough tolerate moderate bumping and such. Dunno, can you buffer enough video in memory to overcome occasional skips, kind of like what goes on in a car CD player?
You're probably right, although Haley Joel Osmet(sixth sense) would probably be a great choice (yeah, but where do you find a dozen more like him?).
Absolutley. Thank god we live in a country where a youthful indescretion like being arrested for cocaine posession (allegedly) can be overlooked and that person can wipe his slate clean and someday become the leader of the free world.
>what's wrong with calling your coworker
;-)
12-hour timezone difference, for starters
and then Bob would respond with a logical discourse of his thoughts as they relate to the topic at hand in a logical, coherent manner.
Now, when people talk to Bob at the meeting, they ask "Well, Bob... what are your FEELINGS?"
whereupon Bob proceeds to dredge up all his crappy personal baggage while spewing out a bunch of fuzzy double-talk that has very little to do with the issue being discussed.
>whether 7300 out of several million is out of line with typical rates of reported credit card fraud
Yah, see your point. They said out of 3 million cards they have in their system (scary enough), only 7,500 users have reported any fraud (about 1/4 of one percent), none of which appears to be directly attributable to the break-in.
So, I guess they're saying 99.75% of the credit cards in their database for sure weren't disclosed and they have no proof that the rest were really related to their problem. That's still not good enough for me and I wanted to delete my account/CC# from their system, although there doesn't appear to be a way to do that from their website, and I am too lazy to sit on hold for 1/2 hour to talk to someone about it. I haven't seen any strange activity on the card (company card) so I guess I'll let it go.
My point was that this at least seemed like a better story than e-bay resetting a bunch of account options.
Hmm... when I got mine today it sounded like they thought there was some error in their system that didn't even present me the option of opting-out and so defaulted to 'no'.
/. story
/. doesn't think that is news?
To be honest, I don't remember - it was a while ago that I first signed up. If I did opt out, and now I have a couple weeks to opt-out again - it's not really that big a deal, is it? It would be different if they re-sent every e-mail they think I was supposed to get over the last six months. They reset my prefs to receive, they are going to hold off until 1/23 to start sending mail, and it took me a total of 15 seconds to go to my prefs page and turn them all off again.
How exactly is this evil enough to be a
Egghead sent me a nice mail saying noone every really got my credit card even though 7300 people have reported fraud on their cards after the egghead crack, but
K, then that is a pretty drastic modification of the commonly understood concept of 'vapourware', and seems a tad sensationalistic to me (is that even a word?)
I always thought of vapor as a whiff of smoke or something barely tangible. As applied to a software product announcement, I think of a statement that makes it sound as if the software already exists or is pretty much certain to be delivered within a set timeframe.
NT5 was vapor. 2.4 that had had lots of publicly realeased test versions was certainly not vapor by any reasonable measure.
Listing two criteria (eager anticipation, failure to appear before 12/31/2000) for calling something varourware as justification (by wired) for writing a fact-free, bullshit article reeks of incompetent, headline-grabbing journalism. "Talking out your ass" does not seem overly harsh to describe this, IMO.
Or maybe it is vapourware and I just dreamed that I've been running a 2.4 kernel on one of my test boxes for a good part of the year.
Oh yeah, right. Secret of My Success. He was put in the mailroom and then figured out he could do his 8 hour job in like 20 minutes and then spent the rest of the day posing as a board member.
...and wasn't there a Michael J. Fox movie along the same lines where he got a menial job in the mailroom and then bluffed his way into a corner office or something? (seem to recall that he was doing his uncle's wife without knowing who she was or something)
Convergys? Which part, the former CBIS or former Matrixx Marketing? (that would be easy to believe, the bozos).
Really? What constitutes a 'mass layoff' then? My company has ~30,000 and we have had "RIFs" (Reduction In Force?) a couple times where lots and lots of people were told 'today is your last day'.
Plus, seems like if you give people 60 days notice, you are pretty much guaranteed to get zero work out of them and you might even see some sabotage?
I mean, it would suck to come into work and find out you don't have a job, but that seems to be the way it works. I've never heard of individuals being notified in advance that they were going to be laid off. I've seen where companies make an announcement that they are going to lay off x-number of people, though.
>I wonder if there is a reason for the trees planted neatly in a row?
:-)
Yeah, looks exactly like a 9-hole par-3 course to me (albeit without greens or sandtraps). Now wondering if it was just camo to try fooling the russians into thinking it was just a golf course, or did the NSA guys just like to keep their game up?
Maybe I'm the only one who finds this a tad in bad taste? I'm not completely humorless, but I guess having been close to someone who was killed by a drunk driver, I don't find this very funny.
>The USPS rate raise is probably due to a lot of factors, I would guess that the rise in Oil prices are a big part of it
Oh, I realize that. I wasn't trying to say that the rates went up because of Junk mail, only arguing the point that an AOL cd in your mailbox costs you nothing. But I guess even that is next to nothing.
>Plus wasn't the most recent raise in 1st class postage $0.01?
Yep. They say last year they handled 200 billion pieces of mail. That obviously wasn't all 1st class mail, but probably a good chunk of it was and one cent increase on some fraction of 200 billion is still a lot of money.
Sure. $0.01 increase isn't a big deal for the dozen or so letters I mail each month. But dammit, I'm old enough to remember when it was a dime!
>...wonderfully idiotic marketing morons don't seem to realize that they don't need to send 15 AOL CDs to someone who already has AOL.
Heh, when we had AOL (my wife and kids) we got half a dozen CDs mailed to us every month. Since we've been off for a few years, it has dwindled down to next to nothing. Strange.
I'm just worried that if AOL gets it's way and the FCC forces AT&T to unbundle Cable access from ISP service, we would get bombarded again with unwanted CDs.