No, I wasn't seriously trying to compare the timings as denoted by the prefix; 'I can't compare machines etc'.
It was simply an observation that there has been work on the Opera engine subsequent to 10.60, and that your prior statement regarding performance improvements might have been erroneous.
Um.. not true: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/09/13/new-presto-update-and-good-news-from-the-desktop-team They've updated the engine in the latest release. I can't compare machines etc, but at least on my copy of Opera 10.70 the execution time is: 15145.0ms A touch faster than Firefox Nightly no?
But I agree with the other comments, this is just a JS benchmark, I'd rather get a feel for memory consumption and page render times these days.
Case in point the slash banner at the top of the comments pages is more annoying than the Opera banners that dont flash (as I said, text ads are great)
You didnt even load it an see what those ads consist of? I have registered Opera at home (so I'm biased), but I use the unregistered version at work at dont notice the adverts at all (I use the slimline text ads but have used the larger graphical ads in the past). I still have more browser real-estate than I get with IE and the ads provide additional revenue for Opera to continue development.
In short all these 'it has ads' comments are usually based on ignorance and never having used the software. Besides I've supported my software (by buying a license), how many (non-corporate) Firefox users do you think have actually paid for it?!
Definately 'A'. If something isn't going to work in the time period set aside for it the manager needs to know - preferably with more than 30 mins to spare! If anything that is the fault here, as soon as it became obvious the fix would take enough time that testing would be minimal the developer should have escalated.
Sorry if I'm being harsh here but this is definately the dev's problem and provided it isn't a recurring fault in the developer (some people don't like to escalate, these need encouraging).
Yes, but since we 'probably' exist, then we can surely probably see the universe. With everything existing in a multitude of states there is surely a state in which we become able to percieve the universe, hence kicking off the whole structure.
There may well be other quantum states where the universe as a physical entity doesn't exist.
That's my take anyway. IANAP
MrChris
Re:I have to take exception to this...
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If you care about the LINUX part of "Linux gaming", then you need to make a stand. Otherwise, you are hurting the very thing you profess to care about.
I dont think I missed the point, but I do concede that given the scenario you present here, where the user is a dedicated Linux user it does make sense (though they probably wouldn't have the option - no windows install).
(It sounds like this doesn't apply to you, so why are you commenting on the story?)
Two things here:
1) I have used Linux extensively, as well as several other *NIX's and various alternative OS's (QNX, BeOS, Atheos, BlueOS etc...), I never stuck to Linux as it just didn't work the way I wanted it to (still haven't found an OS that does).
2) I have an opinion, which is more than some people who comment around here, hence if anything I am over qualified!
I have to take exception to this...
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I hear how people can't justify paying full price for an "old game" that Loki ported while they can't stop themselves from running out and buying Quake3 the second it is released at full price for Windows. Dear lord, people. I know that I'm part of this insane industry, but they ARE just games. You can wait for them, and more importantly, you can do without if you really really have to.
I have never shopped at Loki so I have no idea who this guy is, but he's somewhat mad.
I could almost agree with the first part of this statement, you can wait for games, however I'd argue that in doing so you loose a large part of the experience of the game; for example new games invariably build up a community spirit around there launch time which can dwindle over time, and may be gone by the time a Linux port is released.
The final point though is what motivated me to post this.
You aren't going to get Warcraft 3 on Linux, which means that you should never BUY Warcraft 3, even though it will no doubt be a great game.
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! Just because Linux won't get it you shouldn't use it.. we are talking about games here! People want entertainment and frankly I'm not sure many people care on what platform that entertainment is presented.
I'm particularly interested in the emphasis on 'buy' though (implying you should get it through 'other' means), just after he talks about avoiding piracy.
Think about it for a second, there is nothing here that says you must carry your 'BAT' with you at all times, it's not grafted to your body or anything (yet!).
Simply come in at 8:30 leave the BAT on your desk and go home for the rest of the day, then come in at 9:00 that evening and pick it up again and hey presto the fully automated time-expense server gives you 3 hours of overtime...
Come on people, think outside the box for a change - or at least realise that you have a choice in how you use technology.
(Caution: you may see four ascii characters in the range 97-122 which, when concatenated, offend you.)
Where's the capital 'F' in this range then eh!? Come on boy's grammar!
Chris
You can use the hardware we gave you. but only with our software.
This is not a problem for most people so long as the company keeps the app updated regularly and provides a good upgrade system.
How else are we going to invade your privacy?
This is a bit more problematical and is perhaps where I am somewhat neive... Why would anyone want to invade your privacy? What the hell have I got that 'they' could possibly want? (Besides those metallica CD's;-)). The abundance of programs such as GNUTELLA show that people don't really care too much what gets spread around (so long as it doesn't affect download bandwidth).
Having said that I understand that information about websites you visit etc could be used to target marketing at you specifically... well isn't that a problem now is it?
I really don't get the whole privacy issue, so long as I'm still allowed to say what I want I don't care who know's what I'm saying, if I did I wouldn't say it in the first place.
Now point out my mistakes...
'Quote'
Unfortunately, for us all, some of the people conducting these efforts would not voluntarily remove our IP, even after being contacted.
Thank god
'/Quote'
Now come on, when asked reasonably it's surely good manners to remove the code if only for a brief period of time whilst any legalities are dealt with. I'm beginning to think that many of the reverse engineering projects these days are losing site of the fact that they are destroying a potential revenue stream for the original developers. Have a care, if you want the product first ask the developers, if they say sure then fine, if not the badger them about it until they give in, but don't steal there technology - ETHICS people!
It was the irony of the way the statement read, not the actuality of the system I was commenting on. Having said that, thanks for the extra info.
MrChris
So let me get this straight... Intel are so confident of their new chips they feel having fallover protection is needed!? You gotta smile really.
Chris H
Sorry for constantly doing this in a predominantly Linux based group, but one of the main reasons I have to dislike nVidia at the moment is their lack of support for Be Inc's developers in creating OpenGL drivers for BeOS!
The 2D support of BeOS is actually very good with a TNT based card, however it is my understanding (feel free to correct me (please!)), that despite repeated requests from BeInc they still will not give details required for writing OpenGL drivers for BeOS!
Other than this I have no real quibble with nVidia (in fact I run a TNT2 Ultra these days), but I sure would like better support under BeOS!
Questions/Comments?
Chris H
I somewhat agree with the points raised here. For some time now I have seen the way several business models are heading and finding I don't like the outcome.
The basic problem is that we are suckers for getting things we want at any price, even our own future. For example pay-per-view sports on Sky, most people I know really HATE having to pay to watch sport (especially national matches). But they will still pay in order to see it, rather than not paying and sending the message to the company - they value immediate gratification over possible problems in the future.
It' happening with software as well... I've heard worrying proposals that certain software companies are thinking of releasing software on a download and pay each time you use it basis. This makes me sick! It drives a wedge between those that can afford to not only pay the cost of the software but also the phone bill/isp bill, and the less fortunate who can't afford this and are therefor left with 'legacy' software and no means of catching up.
ASP's worry me! They are also an example of the negative way the term 'virus' could be used to describe the internet (albeit a temporary/recurring virus).
Comments/Flames?
CombatZone is a very simple language based on a 'control the little tanks and kill each other' premise. The trick is that each tank has to be programmed from scratch by the user. The language itself isn't complex and I have been using this to teach people the basics of programming for over a year now. If you are interested take a look at it on: www.student.comp.brad.ac.uk/~cjhaggan Any comments about it please direct them to me... the author (Matt Peck) is not contactable anymore:( Just my two cents, Chris
Gundam Wing == Transformers??
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I haven't yet experienced the... well.. experiences of Gundam wing, but the way it is being described here it sounds suspiciously like Transformers, is this so? If not can anyone give me a better description please...
I had been thinking of doing something similar to this myself, think of the possibilities of having a computer on board a car... you can mount your car from the house network and use it for simple file transfers to work (that would be cool if you could get a business to implement it). Also think of the security benefits... if the car gets stolen, you just call the on board computer and it gives you back the GSM position it's at. There's other stuff as well, but you get the idea.
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No, I wasn't seriously trying to compare the timings as denoted by the prefix; 'I can't compare machines etc'.
It was simply an observation that there has been work on the Opera engine subsequent to 10.60, and that your prior statement regarding performance improvements might have been erroneous.
Um.. not true:
http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/09/13/new-presto-update-and-good-news-from-the-desktop-team
They've updated the engine in the latest release.
I can't compare machines etc, but at least on my copy of Opera 10.70 the execution time is: 15145.0ms
A touch faster than Firefox Nightly no?
But I agree with the other comments, this is just a JS benchmark, I'd rather get a feel for memory consumption and page render times these days.
Case in point the slash banner at the top of the comments pages is more annoying than the Opera banners that dont flash (as I said, text ads are great)
You didnt even load it an see what those ads consist of?
I have registered Opera at home (so I'm biased), but I use the unregistered version at work at dont notice the adverts at all (I use the slimline text ads but have used the larger graphical ads in the past). I still have more browser real-estate than I get with IE and the ads provide additional revenue for Opera to continue development.
In short all these 'it has ads' comments are usually based on ignorance and never having used the software.
Besides I've supported my software (by buying a license), how many (non-corporate) Firefox users do you think have actually paid for it?!
A piece of slashvertising I can get behind.
Opera rocks and this sort of daft challenge whilst obviously ridiculous is just the sort of fun way of marketing the browser I like.
So go take another bath, you smelly sysadmin!
Definately 'A'.
If something isn't going to work in the time period set aside for it the manager needs to know - preferably with more than 30 mins to spare!
If anything that is the fault here, as soon as it became obvious the fix would take enough time that testing would be minimal the developer should have escalated.
Sorry if I'm being harsh here but this is definately the dev's problem and provided it isn't a recurring fault in the developer (some people don't like to escalate, these need encouraging).
Yes, but since we 'probably' exist, then we can surely probably see the universe. With everything existing in a multitude of states there is surely a state in which we become able to percieve the universe, hence kicking off the whole structure.
There may well be other quantum states where the universe as a physical entity doesn't exist.
That's my take anyway. IANAP
MrChris
If you care about the LINUX part of "Linux gaming", then you need to make a stand. Otherwise, you are hurting the very thing you profess to care about.
I dont think I missed the point, but I do concede that given the scenario you present here, where the user is a dedicated Linux user it does make sense (though they probably wouldn't have the option - no windows install).
(It sounds like this doesn't apply to you, so why are you commenting on the story?)
Two things here:
1) I have used Linux extensively, as well as several other *NIX's and various alternative OS's (QNX, BeOS, Atheos, BlueOS etc...), I never stuck to Linux as it just didn't work the way I wanted it to (still haven't found an OS that does).
2) I have an opinion, which is more than some people who comment around here, hence if anything I am over qualified!
I hear how people can't justify paying full price for an "old game" that Loki ported while they can't stop themselves from running out and buying Quake3 the second it is released at full price for Windows. Dear lord, people. I know that I'm part of this insane industry, but they ARE just games. You can wait for them, and more importantly, you can do without if you really really have to.
I have never shopped at Loki so I have no idea who this guy is, but he's somewhat mad.
I could almost agree with the first part of this statement, you can wait for games, however I'd argue that in doing so you loose a large part of the experience of the game; for example new games invariably build up a community spirit around there launch time which can dwindle over time, and may be gone by the time a Linux port is released.
The final point though is what motivated me to post this.
You aren't going to get Warcraft 3 on Linux, which means that you should never BUY Warcraft 3, even though it will no doubt be a great game.
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face! Just because Linux won't get it you shouldn't use it.. we are talking about games here! People want entertainment and frankly I'm not sure many people care on what platform that entertainment is presented.
I'm particularly interested in the emphasis on 'buy' though (implying you should get it through 'other' means), just after he talks about avoiding piracy.
Ah well.
MrChris
Think about it for a second, there is nothing here that says you must carry your 'BAT' with you at all times, it's not grafted to your body or anything (yet!). Simply come in at 8:30 leave the BAT on your desk and go home for the rest of the day, then come in at 9:00 that evening and pick it up again and hey presto the fully automated time-expense server gives you 3 hours of overtime... Come on people, think outside the box for a change - or at least realise that you have a choice in how you use technology.
(Caution: you may see four ascii characters in the range 97-122 which, when concatenated, offend you.) Where's the capital 'F' in this range then eh!? Come on boy's grammar! Chris
You can use the hardware we gave you. but only with our software. ;-)). The abundance of programs such as GNUTELLA show that people don't really care too much what gets spread around (so long as it doesn't affect download bandwidth).
This is not a problem for most people so long as the company keeps the app updated regularly and provides a good upgrade system.
How else are we going to invade your privacy?
This is a bit more problematical and is perhaps where I am somewhat neive... Why would anyone want to invade your privacy? What the hell have I got that 'they' could possibly want? (Besides those metallica CD's
Having said that I understand that information about websites you visit etc could be used to target marketing at you specifically... well isn't that a problem now is it?
I really don't get the whole privacy issue, so long as I'm still allowed to say what I want I don't care who know's what I'm saying, if I did I wouldn't say it in the first place.
Now point out my mistakes...
Unfortunately, for us all, some of the people conducting these efforts would not voluntarily remove our IP, even after being contacted.
Thank god
'/Quote'
Now come on, when asked reasonably it's surely good manners to remove the code if only for a brief period of time whilst any legalities are dealt with. I'm beginning to think that many of the reverse engineering projects these days are losing site of the fact that they are destroying a potential revenue stream for the original developers. Have a care, if you want the product first ask the developers, if they say sure then fine, if not the badger them about it until they give in, but don't steal there technology - ETHICS people!
It was the irony of the way the statement read, not the actuality of the system I was commenting on. Having said that, thanks for the extra info. MrChris
So let me get this straight... Intel are so confident of their new chips they feel having fallover protection is needed!? You gotta smile really. Chris H
Sorry for constantly doing this in a predominantly Linux based group, but one of the main reasons I have to dislike nVidia at the moment is their lack of support for Be Inc's developers in creating OpenGL drivers for BeOS! The 2D support of BeOS is actually very good with a TNT based card, however it is my understanding (feel free to correct me (please!)), that despite repeated requests from BeInc they still will not give details required for writing OpenGL drivers for BeOS! Other than this I have no real quibble with nVidia (in fact I run a TNT2 Ultra these days), but I sure would like better support under BeOS! Questions/Comments? Chris H
I somewhat agree with the points raised here. For some time now I have seen the way several business models are heading and finding I don't like the outcome. The basic problem is that we are suckers for getting things we want at any price, even our own future. For example pay-per-view sports on Sky, most people I know really HATE having to pay to watch sport (especially national matches). But they will still pay in order to see it, rather than not paying and sending the message to the company - they value immediate gratification over possible problems in the future. It' happening with software as well... I've heard worrying proposals that certain software companies are thinking of releasing software on a download and pay each time you use it basis. This makes me sick! It drives a wedge between those that can afford to not only pay the cost of the software but also the phone bill/isp bill, and the less fortunate who can't afford this and are therefor left with 'legacy' software and no means of catching up. ASP's worry me! They are also an example of the negative way the term 'virus' could be used to describe the internet (albeit a temporary/recurring virus). Comments/Flames?
For those of you with 'dermatalogical problems'...
CombatZone is a very simple language based on a 'control the little tanks and kill each other' premise. The trick is that each tank has to be programmed from scratch by the user. The language itself isn't complex and I have been using this to teach people the basics of programming for over a year now. If you are interested take a look at it on: www.student.comp.brad.ac.uk/~cjhaggan Any comments about it please direct them to me... the author (Matt Peck) is not contactable anymore :( Just my two cents, Chris
I haven't yet experienced the... well.. experiences of Gundam wing, but the way it is being described here it sounds suspiciously like Transformers, is this so? If not can anyone give me a better description please...
I had been thinking of doing something similar to this myself, think of the possibilities of having a computer on board a car... you can mount your car from the house network and use it for simple file transfers to work (that would be cool if you could get a business to implement it). Also think of the security benefits... if the car gets stolen, you just call the on board computer and it gives you back the GSM position it's at. There's other stuff as well, but you get the idea.