G4 has plenty of register, when you add Altivec to the tally.
Convenient list of AMD64 registers:
http://www.sandpile.org/aa64/index.htm
As you can see, it is a mild misrepresentation to say that the G4 has "more registers". It simply has different registers. Keep in mind that half of AMD64's registers are not in play under anything but Linux or "Windows for 64 bit extended systems" beta.
An "Athlon XP 1600", the tested system, is not an "Athlon 64 3400".
I am not sure how this would apply to emulation, but the G5 is basicly pc harware with a G5 chip. The G5 uses the AMD 8000 chipset and commodity pc graphics cards. Quartz serves the same role that direct X or open GL serve, but os X uses it for routine tasks while these api's are not used for general windowing tasks in x86 operating systems.
OS X runs nicely on my 250mhz G3 (don't ask) except for window resizeing, which is all but impossible. Since window resizing is such a mundane task, and no advantage is achieved by using quartz to accomplish this, it makes me think that Apple simply wanted to force upgrades.
Apple reminds me of russian assault rifles. The nato standard.223 round can be fired from an AK-74, but not the other way around.
I have a All in One G3, 250mhz G3 w/768 mb of ram.
OS X runs OK on it but Yellow Dog, in addition to providing a modern browser for the platform, etc., just flat flies on the machine.
Resize a window on an old machine running OS X and you will know the pain of having a kick ass OS that is unusable in normal circumstances.
Linux provides older macs with a modern OS without the bloat.
As for hardware support, at least using YDL, the volume control on the old AIO is functional while on OS X it is broken.
YDL also fits nicely on my 1Ghz G4 flat panel imac although it does not provide any additional functionality that is not already available through OS X.
Playing AA is an extremely frustrating experience.
The in game M16A2's accuracy is abysmal.
If I have the sight picture in real life the game gives you and that level of calm control over a real M16A2, every shot fired becomes a kill, dead on target.
Killing in real life is much easier, much less challenging than it is in AA.
Crap, did I just write that?
Ok, that is the other half that annoys me. Killing in real life will twist you like nothing else will. The idea that a computer game, or computer games in general spawn violence is ludicrous.
Computers games are no different than older children's games such as cowboys & indians and cops & robbers. They are just games.
Do not even think that AA is a "taste of the real Army". Far from it, boy.
"So apparently there must be some skill that snipers possess that I do not"
That would be ping, sir:)
Seriously, I agree with you. Playing engie, I can absolutely rule the battlefield. Playing sniper, I'm dogmeat. If anyone plays sniper against me as an engie, they are dogmeat too.
Perhaps I'm a bit biased, I quit playing TFC about a month after I had made it to 7th place out of 50,000 players back when the CLQ was still recording stats...
And no, I did not cheat.
I actually long to toss a few EMPs occasionally, then I remember what I was like that year. I was working a 9 to 5 in telecom valley, surfing slashdot an hour a day, then played TFC for 6-8 hours just to wake up and do it all over again. That episode of my life lasted nearly 15 months.
Snipers are OK. It's careing so much about the game that it rules your life that is not OK.
I was a young pup in the Army, during a training exercise. My Commander told me to kill the network, to "simulate" it's loss. We were operating a frequency hopping radio network, which of course is based on time. As the master node, I controlled the time. I pumped my transmitter to full power, and slowly pulled the stations that could recieve my signal out of time. Lowered power, pulled a smaller number of stations even farther out of time. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Commander thought I was brilliant, and so did I. I had fractured our network into at least 10 different domains. No one could talk to anyone, effectively "simulating" an enemy jamming attempt. It would take hours to restore the network, with many mad commo guys having to drive about with Pluggers, early GPS devices, to restore each radio to propper time.
Then a tank flipped. Someone died. No one could call for help. I am so damn smart.
No moon black, At 2 in the morning, in an upside down tank, the gunner figured out how to put his radio in plain text to call for help. It took him almost half an hour.
We were all to "special" to form a union back when we had some power. Now we have no power because of the ease of offshoring, but we want to pick up the union battle cry "Buy American!"
All of you Overpaid twits that were worried that a Union would not help you because you made more money than the average joe, well some jerk in India has your job now, because you didn't want a Union.
You just can't say enough about your platform of choice.
You have to put your little two cents into every article that is even vaguely a place where you can tout your platform.
Consider: Linux on AMD.
$500 systems instead of $3000, Office compatibility for $0 instead of $325, Photoshop work-a-like Gimp $0 instead of $600.
8 PCs instead of 1 Mac.
Yes, one desktop better replace several others, eight of them to be precise.
I admit the gimp comparison is a bit thin, so leave the marketing and design departments on macs but do not even think of doleing them out to the rank and file.
Initial costs get ugly fast otherwise. 100 employees is a $300,000 investment for the mac platform.
Perhaps 15 employees absolutely must have macs. That's $45,000 for those 15 employees plus another $42,500 for every one else's (the other 85 people) computers.
A smart business gets away for one third the cost of an all mac office, while the employees that absolutly must have macs, get them.
Do you see how asinine your comment is, placed in that light?
Especially when you say it's such an "easy decision".
Scaled over a large corporation, the costs of "swiching" could easily amount to tens of millions of dollars more than a propper mixed platform solution.
I can just see the CTO now, trying to explain why IT spending trippled.
I would rather be the CTO that cut IT in half by getting away from Microsoft, while still providing a complete and reliable mixed package.
Quad Opterons will be available with AGP inside a month and 8-way workstations inside a year. Considering the Opteron performs 40% to 70% better than G5, I cannot imagine any one with SGI level purchasing power stooping to use a a consumer desktop like the PowerMac G5.
Read em' and weep
IBM's PPC970 2.0 Ghz spec scores:
Single:
SPECfp - BASE 840 SPECint - BASE 800
Dual:
SPECfp_rate - BASE 15.7 SPECint_rate - BASE 17.2
AMD Opteron 1.8 Ghz spec scores:
Single:
SPECfp - BASE 1122 SPECint - BASE 1095
Dual:
SPECint_rate - BASE 25.0 SPECfp_rate - BASE 24.7
Apple compares the G5 to the Xeon, which would need to run at 3.8 Ghz to best the Opteron in a dual configuration. Then they roll strait into the Altivec optimized benchmarks, as they have done, and have had to do, for the past 5 years.
Opteron and PPC 970 are brothers, both products of IBMâ(TM)s Fishkill, NY process design lab. Both use Hypertransport, use the same.13 SOI process and are 32 to 64 bit bridging technologies. The Mac rumors of AMDâ(TM)s involvement with Appleâ(TM)s next processor were true, as half the design staff at Fishkill are AMDâ(TM)s process engineers.
The lack of benchmark comparisons between Opteron and G5 on Appleâ(TM)s website are quite intentional. First it would be folly on the part of the marketing department to show another processor being faster than the their latest and greatest chip. Second, Apple hopes to increase their market share. Opteron has not yet grabbed any market share to speak of. Intel does have market share to loose, and Apple is hopeing to gather a percentage of it. SGI has no market share left to loose, and in any case, would not loose what they have to a commodity box like PowerMac.
IBM is the real player in this game. IBM is supporting AMD against Intel. IBM is supporting Linux against Microsoft. IBM is supporting Apple against both Intel and Microsoft. Microsoft also supports AMD against Intel, to insure the highest percentage of money in IT can continue to be spent on software instead of hardware. Microsoft is also supporting AMD against Apple, to insure they get a percentage of the coming 64 bit desktop enviroment.
Please note that Appleâ(TM)s new 133MHz PCI-X Expansion looks suspiciously like and most likely is an AMD-8131 Hypertransport PCI-X tunnel, while the High-Performance I/O is most likely an AMD â"8111 I/O hub.
Apple is certainly on the right path with the new G5 and itâ(TM)s associated architecture but make no mistake, the Opteron is in the same class as Power 4, and PPC 970 is only half of a Power 4. IBM and AMD threw Apple a bone, which is OK from their business perspectives because they target different markets and the real enemy here is Intel, which both Opteron, and now Apple, have a sizeable performance advantage over, in their respective markets.
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Sort of like saying what is the speed of time?
distance/time=speed
anything/0=undefined
weirdness.
Our instruments are anchored in time, so how can we measure a wave that warps it?
We really are stuck in a cave looking at the shadows on the walls.
And they charge long distace rates for tech support too!
Sex.. yes, geeks do get laid, but it makes asking for money difficult.
4 fat Cohiba cigars as a tip.
Fixed 5 imacs in trade for getting to keep one of them.
$2000 to spend 8 hours removing klez from a network overnight.
Recently Knocked $500 off a dual Opteron server with 2 GB ram in exchange for the sun 250... with 2 GB of ram it replaced.
G4 has plenty of register, when you add Altivec to the tally.
.223 round can be fired from an AK-74, but not the other way around.
Convenient list of AMD64 registers:
http://www.sandpile.org/aa64/index.htm
As you can see, it is a mild misrepresentation to say that the G4 has "more registers". It simply has different registers. Keep in mind that half of AMD64's registers are not in play under anything but Linux or "Windows for 64 bit extended systems" beta.
An "Athlon XP 1600", the tested system, is not an "Athlon 64 3400".
I am not sure how this would apply to emulation, but the G5 is basicly pc harware with a G5 chip. The G5 uses the AMD 8000 chipset and commodity pc graphics cards. Quartz serves the same role that direct X or open GL serve, but os X uses it for routine tasks while these api's are not used for general windowing tasks in x86 operating systems.
OS X runs nicely on my 250mhz G3 (don't ask) except for window resizeing, which is all but impossible. Since window resizing is such a mundane task, and no advantage is achieved by using quartz to accomplish this, it makes me think that Apple simply wanted to force upgrades.
Apple reminds me of russian assault rifles. The nato standard
http://www.chime.tv/products/glass2k.shtml
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Prior art, cut-n-paste
Featured in a slashdot article
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/11/25/233238.sh
Novemer 26 2001
3 years Prior art.
"I just hope there's a viable simple alternative by then to which the customers can switch."
There are viable simple alternatives now.
Wake up and install Linux. It's easier and more transparent than a Windows install and comes with Everything.
A new device to keep prisoners of war awake.
Bet it really tickles.
Weird Shit
Compaq "reverse engineered" IBM's PC bios, opening the platform to all comers.
This is perfectly ok, and was upheld in court as being a perfectly OK thing for Compaq to do.
Fast foward to the end of the statute of limitations on industrial espionage.
Bill, our friend Gates, revealed that Compaq did not reverse engineer IBM's PC bios, but in fact paid Microsoft 300 million to simply hand it over.
Gates was tired of sitting under IBM's thumb and he knew that by opening the platform he would be opening up new markets for himself.
So... clean room reverse engineering is OK
And, industrial espionage is criminal unless..
You make so many Billions from your criminal act that you are above the law.
I have a All in One G3, 250mhz G3 w/768 mb of ram.
OS X runs OK on it but Yellow Dog, in addition to providing a modern browser for the platform, etc., just flat flies on the machine.
Resize a window on an old machine running OS X and you will know the pain of having a kick ass OS that is unusable in normal circumstances.
Linux provides older macs with a modern OS without the bloat.
As for hardware support, at least using YDL, the volume control on the old AIO is functional while on OS X it is broken.
YDL also fits nicely on my 1Ghz G4 flat panel imac although it does not provide any additional functionality that is not already available through OS X.
They have left their customers exposed for years.
Now their lack of security has cost them their crown jewels.
Berkeley, Seti@home.
Enjoy the challenge of administering 3.5 million clients and 72.99 TeraFLOPs/sec of computing power.
A hot venti comes with two, but an Iced venti comes with three.
.. .
.
Getting it Iced cost extra, but gains you a "free" 50 cent shot.
Plus the bonus of not having to wait to drink it, thus giving the ability to chug two or three in a row, thus putting you in jeapardy of a heart..
Attack.
Like I. . had this...
Morning..
Venti Iced Latte (basis for the drink).
Add 3 Shots (6 total).
Add Breve (Half & Half).
Add Cinnamon Syrup (Ever try to sweeten an Iced coffee?)
Don't ask me how to say it in Starbucks speak.
2 a day.
$300 a month.
Twice the price of my cigarette habit.
Liky twice as bad for me too.
Playing AA is an extremely frustrating experience.
The in game M16A2's accuracy is abysmal.
If I have the sight picture in real life the game gives you and that level of calm control over a real M16A2, every shot fired becomes a kill, dead on target.
Killing in real life is much easier, much less challenging than it is in AA.
Crap, did I just write that?
Ok, that is the other half that annoys me. Killing in real life will twist you like nothing else will. The idea that a computer game, or computer games in general spawn violence is ludicrous.
Computers games are no different than older children's games such as cowboys & indians and cops & robbers. They are just games.
Do not even think that AA is a "taste of the real Army". Far from it, boy.
When you "google" something, you search for it or find it.
"I googled knoppix, and found a good ISO link"
When you "Microsoft" something, you destroy it, take it over, hoard it or crash it.
"CowboyNeal is microsofting all the cheetos"
Microsoft is definitly on the wrong side of this popularity battle.
Newspeak is working for the good guys... Double plus good.
"So apparently there must be some skill that snipers possess that I do not"
:)
That would be ping, sir
Seriously, I agree with you. Playing engie, I can absolutely rule the battlefield. Playing sniper, I'm dogmeat. If anyone plays sniper against me as an engie, they are dogmeat too.
Perhaps I'm a bit biased, I quit playing TFC about a month after I had made it to 7th place out of 50,000 players back when the CLQ was still recording stats...
And no, I did not cheat.
I actually long to toss a few EMPs occasionally, then I remember what I was like that year. I was working a 9 to 5 in telecom valley, surfing slashdot an hour a day, then played TFC for 6-8 hours just to wake up and do it all over again. That episode of my life lasted nearly 15 months.
Snipers are OK. It's careing so much about the game that it rules your life that is not OK.
give all
noclip
notarget
I was a young pup in the Army, during a training exercise. My Commander told me to kill the network, to "simulate" it's loss. We were operating a frequency hopping radio network, which of course is based on time. As the master node, I controlled the time. I pumped my transmitter to full power, and slowly pulled the stations that could recieve my signal out of time. Lowered power, pulled a smaller number of stations even farther out of time. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Commander thought I was brilliant, and so did I. I had fractured our network into at least 10 different domains. No one could talk to anyone, effectively "simulating" an enemy jamming attempt. It would take hours to restore the network, with many mad commo guys having to drive about with Pluggers, early GPS devices, to restore each radio to propper time.
Then a tank flipped. Someone died. No one could call for help. I am so damn smart.
No moon black, At 2 in the morning, in an upside down tank, the gunner figured out how to put his radio in plain text to call for help. It took him almost half an hour.
We were all to "special" to form a union back when we had some power. Now we have no power because of the ease of offshoring, but we want to pick up the union battle cry "Buy American!"
All of you Overpaid twits that were worried that a Union would not help you because you made more money than the average joe, well some jerk in India has your job now, because you didn't want a Union.
All this info comes from a Google Answers question that was worth $200.
= 25 0801
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id
Cut-and-paste you trolls.
You are a Mac Zealot troll.
You just can't say enough about your platform of choice.
You have to put your little two cents into every article that is even vaguely a place where you can tout your platform.
Consider: Linux on AMD.
$500 systems instead of $3000, Office compatibility for $0 instead of $325, Photoshop work-a-like Gimp $0 instead of $600.
8 PCs instead of 1 Mac.
Yes, one desktop better replace several others, eight of them to be precise.
I admit the gimp comparison is a bit thin, so leave the marketing and design departments on macs but do not even think of doleing them out to the rank and file.
Initial costs get ugly fast otherwise. 100 employees is a $300,000 investment for the mac platform.
Perhaps 15 employees absolutely must have macs. That's $45,000 for those 15 employees plus another $42,500 for every one else's (the other 85 people) computers.
A smart business gets away for one third the cost of an all mac office, while the employees that absolutly must have macs, get them.
Do you see how asinine your comment is, placed in that light?
Especially when you say it's such an "easy decision".
Scaled over a large corporation, the costs of "swiching" could easily amount to tens of millions of dollars more than a propper mixed platform solution.
I can just see the CTO now, trying to explain why IT spending trippled.
I would rather be the CTO that cut IT in half by getting away from Microsoft, while still providing a complete and reliable mixed package.
I've been boycotting since they went after Napster.
Luckly, the local music scene is really good.
But I expect that is the case everywhere.
Quad Opterons will be available with AGP inside a month and 8-way workstations inside a year. Considering the Opteron performs 40% to 70% better than G5, I cannot imagine any one with SGI level purchasing power stooping to use a a consumer desktop like the PowerMac G5.
.13 SOI process and are 32 to 64 bit bridging technologies. The Mac rumors of AMDâ(TM)s involvement with Appleâ(TM)s next processor were true, as half the design staff at Fishkill are AMDâ(TM)s process engineers.
Read em' and weep
IBM's PPC970 2.0 Ghz spec scores:
Single:
SPECfp - BASE 840
SPECint - BASE 800
Dual:
SPECfp_rate - BASE 15.7
SPECint_rate - BASE 17.2
AMD Opteron 1.8 Ghz spec scores:
Single:
SPECfp - BASE 1122
SPECint - BASE 1095
Dual:
SPECint_rate - BASE 25.0
SPECfp_rate - BASE 24.7
Apple compares the G5 to the Xeon, which would need to run at 3.8 Ghz to best the Opteron in a dual configuration. Then they roll strait into the Altivec optimized benchmarks, as they have done, and have had to do, for the past 5 years.
Opteron and PPC 970 are brothers, both products of IBMâ(TM)s Fishkill, NY process design lab. Both use Hypertransport, use the same
The lack of benchmark comparisons between Opteron and G5 on Appleâ(TM)s website are quite intentional. First it would be folly on the part of the marketing department to show another processor being faster than the their latest and greatest chip. Second, Apple hopes to increase their market share. Opteron has not yet grabbed any market share to speak of. Intel does have market share to loose, and Apple is hopeing to gather a percentage of it. SGI has no market share left to loose, and in any case, would not loose what they have to a commodity box like PowerMac.
IBM is the real player in this game. IBM is supporting AMD against Intel. IBM is supporting Linux against Microsoft. IBM is supporting Apple against both Intel and Microsoft. Microsoft also supports AMD against Intel, to insure the highest percentage of money in IT can continue to be spent on software instead of hardware. Microsoft is also supporting AMD against Apple, to insure they get a percentage of the coming 64 bit desktop enviroment.
Please note that Appleâ(TM)s new 133MHz PCI-X Expansion looks suspiciously like and most likely is an AMD-8131 Hypertransport PCI-X tunnel, while the High-Performance I/O is most likely an AMD â"8111 I/O hub.
Apple is certainly on the right path with the new G5 and itâ(TM)s associated architecture but make no mistake, the Opteron is in the same class as Power 4, and PPC 970 is only half of a Power 4. IBM and AMD threw Apple a bone, which is OK from their business perspectives because they target different markets and the real enemy here is Intel, which both Opteron, and now Apple, have a sizeable performance advantage over, in their respective markets.