I just checked the abiword website..and to donate funds they say you must have a paypal account...and give you a link to contribute...that sends you to PAYPAL. Is this a joke??
THIS is how microsoft operates. If they cannot "embrace and extend" they will litigate their way to victory. I'm really not surprised by this action at all. We already knew Microsoft was concerned about the competition linux might offer and it seemed like we were getting too much of a free ride.
The only thing we can hope now is that the monopoly case will take a little bite out of Microsoft. Otherwise, this will continue to the point that releasing software or drivers for linux becomes a LIABILITY. At that point, no matter how much better the OS is, it is dead in the water.
I'd like to know where this number came from. It sounds a lot like the "figures" thrown around with Kevin Mitnik. There should definately be a law against THIS kind of behaviour. Artificially inflating damages is worse, IMO, than what these kids did.
If I remember correctly, theft of services is not a federal crime. I could be wrong when it comes to cable though.
Recently, a friend of mine called the police because a customer had ordered his services, then after he finished, refused to pay the price they had agreed upon. The customer sued for mental anguish and the judge said that there IS no such thing as "theft of services" in New Orleans and that this is a civil case, not a case for the police.
Re:Luke, use the source...
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Checkinstall works great. If there is no rpm, just download the source tar.gz and build an rpm.
You forgot to mention one thing though. You now have built an RPM...it is added into your database. If that rpm becomes a dependency for another package , it is easily found in the database.
Also, now that you have an RPM, if you have other systems, you can simply drop in the binary rpm on those systems. Sure, plain old source may work great...but have you ever tried to build a package from source on 20 different machines? Much easier to build it on one and drop the binary rpm into the others.
Redhat's up2date does indeed handle dependencies. It turns upgrading into a point and click exercise. I've used it ever since it came out in beta and have never had a problem.
As a matter of fact, I prefer up2date to anything I've seen. Why? Well, every other day I run up2date. If there is an upgraded package available for your system...for any reason: normal upgrade, system advisory, etc., then up2date notifies you and you can view the advisory from within up2date and decide if you wish to install.
Up2date is a very adequate replacement for the tool of windows users: windows update.
Yes, but if I don't have the original OS on the computer, they can't prove I ever clicked that I agree. I may very well have clicked I disagree and booted next time with a floppy and installed linux.
someone shed some light on this. I just don't see how it would apply to spam. It sounds to me like they're grasping with straws here. We have several trespassing laws in the US, but I think any judge would strike down a case against a spammer using such laws.
Well, in linux you could just as easily listen to free radio stations using spinner.com or actually finding your radio station you want and using realplayer.
As far as DVDs, just use VideoLAN::Client. You don't have to unlock dvds, no compiling commandline tools, etc. Also, if you use VideoLAN::Server you can *gasp* stream that DVD over your network!
As far as setting up your XF86Config file, that's pretty easy itself.
Linux isn't for everyone. If you're happy with XP, then use it. But don't bother us about how great windows is. It's not. Some people don't need or want what linux has to offer. That's ok. I'm sure Microsoft will be around in the future:P
Well, first I'd like to say that I'm not a new convert to linux. Many people assume that when I post on slashdot because I don't agree with their views. But, if it wasn't for disagreeing viewpoints, we'd still be using Motif and deeming IT the greatest.
I've been using linux for well over 4 years...perhaps closer to five or six. I started out with slackware and loved it compared to windows 95. I then found a young distribution online and, after downloading for a week (dial up connections kept dying...a royal pain), I had my first redhat system. This was also the first time I actually had xwindows.
Since then, although I've tried out distributions and the bsd's, my primary OS has always been linux. I've used KDE since before 1.0 but have had my experiences with gnome, fvwm2, enlightenment, etc.
I'm well aware of xEmacs, but I don't care too much for it. Yes, it has a LOT of functionality..that I'm not denying. But, it's simply not the right tool for me. I'm not going to use something because of the long list of features. I'm going to use something that does what *I* need for it to do. After I find the programs that do what I need them to do, then I pick the one that is most pleasing to the eye and implements things in the fashion closest to what I would.
This is going a little off track from the original discussion, but I think it deserves a little time. There are plenty of choices out there for everything. That's what makes linux so great to me. Well, that and the fact that if I spend too much time staring at windows programs, my head starts throbbing and I develop a noticeable twitch:P
Emacs is great for some...just what they need/want. VI is awesome for others. Still others prefer wordperfect, kwrite, star office, jed, or whatever else. Just like window managers and desktop environments, we can't even agree on ANY program for any purpose. LILO is awesome? I use grub.
Linux users are a stubborn bunch...that's one reason we use linux. We can find all the programs we like and can be stubborn about them. But, instead of just modding someone down as a troll because they have a different opinion...why not realize that different opinions are what makes linux work? If you think about it, differing opinions are why linux even exists.
I disagree highly with RMS. He irritates me to no end. I hope that one day he shuts up. But, like it or not, he's a part of the community. So am I. I admit, I haven't done much FOR the community in the years I've been a part of it. I answer questions, help people install redhat, write letters to congress and whoever else, compiled some KVirc rpms and donated them once upon a time and point out bugs when I find them in whatever programs I use.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I have a choice and my choice is equally valid. I'm not really saying all this to you...your last post was perfectly enjoyable, but I'm saying this to all who read. I think we're all forgetting where we came from and what brought us here. It's different for a lot of people...but damn, choice sure is nice.
>If you went from Emacs to KWrite, you obviously never knew how to use Emacs properly because no one in their right mind >would switch from Emacs to KWrite.
I beg to differ on that one. I think kwrite has a clean interface and does what I want it to do...it acts like a word processor...nothing more. I can make sure I have my own opening and closing brackets, and that they're in the right spot. I don't need emacs to do it for me.
As far as the interface goes, emacs is way too unix-y for me. I like clean, crisp interfaces. I like point and click. Sure, when I'm in a terminal and don't have access to an X display, I can use emacs. But, on my home computer, I use kwrite.
RMS and the FSF do nothing for us. That is why the gnu/linux thing gets to me so much. It's linux...not gnu/linux. Even Linus Torvalds, the man that holds the Linux trademark, has stated that.
Sure, linux used gnu when it first came out, and still does use it. But, linux incorporates a lot of stuff into it. If we have a c# compiler in our distribution, should we be forced to call it Microsoft GNU/Linux ?
Gnu wouldn't be anywhere today if it wasn't for linux. I sometimes think linux would be better off without gnu though. What if the Intel c++ compiler was vamped up and used in x86 distributions instead of gcc. We'd automatically have programs running up to 30% faster.
Sure, emacs is gnu. But, I no longer use emacs. I use kwrite. I hope we see stuff like this happening more and more in the future: projects surpassing GNU and finally silencing RMS.
He provided a lot for linux when it was starting out, but he shouldn't sit there and take credit for linux or for the open source movement. He's riding on the coattails of linux.
Before I say anything, I'll say that these are the comments made from someone who has tried freebsd twice for a couple of months at a time but has run linux for years.
Now that freebsd has a decent linux threads port, it appears to support a lot more software without sacrificing anything. freebsd does this by using "ports". You just go into the directory of the software you want to install, and compile it...scripts in the directory will download and install everything needed.
As far as gaming, driver support, etc. just remember, this is not linux. In those areas, freebsd falls far behind linux. Freebsd focuses on being a server OS far more than linux does. From what I've seen, there really isn't a DESIRE to support the hottest new soundcard, graphics card, or nifty gadget and squeeze optimum performance out of it. In some cases, linux support comes a year or more before *bsd support for a particular product.
As far as whether games are supported as well, maybe you should check out www.lokigames.com and ask them. I would venture to say they wouldn't work, but I'm not sure of that, so I will just say I don't know.
I'm sure this will be modded down and called flamebait...all my posts have been so far. But, this is what I understand to be the truth.
>Alan Cox is doing more for freedom in America than you have ever done. Think about that the next time you criticize.
Ok...that was just silly. I am an American citizen. I vote AND write my congress. Even if I didn't write congress, I still do more for freedom than some middle aged man in england hiding details for a kernel that many consider old tech anyway.
By doing what he's doing, Alan Cox is preaching to the choir and alienating americans. We didn't vote for the DMCA...we didn't have a chance to. Yet, he is "punishing" us because of his ego. He thinks he is important enough that he'll make a difference. If we're not making a difference here, he won't make a difference concealing details about something most, if not all, congressmen have never even heard of.
I, for one, am just glad that he's not going to maintain the 2.4 kernel.
Alan Cox is definately beginning to irritate me in the last few months. First, he won't change over the VM, then he won't disclose the changelogs. He finally gave in on the VM.
Mr. Cox, do you adhere to all the rules of the U.S. as a british citizen? I suppose you keep a library of U.S. lawbooks at your house so you won't violate any of our laws while in your home country.
The DMCA is a U.S. law. Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while breaking the DMCA on U.S. soil. Even if AC broke the DMCA in England and then came here, he'd have to break the DMCA here in order to get arrested.
The federal goverment does not actively seek out violators of the DMCA without a "victim" bringing the violation to their attention. This is simply ridiculous. You can't be put in jail for publishing changelogs to your own code.
Oh my god...last week I tried to hack my own linux box! I'm a fugitive from justice!
Personally, I vote Alan Cox finds him a nice little therapist somewhere in merry old England and tries to get some help.
I understand that part..but when the official kernel came out, didn't ac use it, then add new patches to it? patches that would eventually make it into the official kernel?
so 2.4.5-ac1 was the 2.4.5 kernel with these changes..
I was talking to a friend yesterday about this very issue. I'm glad to see it resolved. To the outside world, Linux already looks fragmented compared to windows (many different distributions of linux compared to one Microsoft). This may not be a correct assumption, but having two different kernels did not help the situation at all.
Now, finally, we can say again : "There is one linux kernel, there are many different distributions. The kernel is the same and the different distributions differ only in programs and scripts".
Linux isn't ready for the desktop? Ohhhh crap....do I have to erase it then?
"If you want security and to run Linux, Slackware is for you. Few script kiddies have heard of Slackware... can you say "security through obscurity"?"
I'm not even sure where to begin with a statement that is as blatantly wrong as this...so I will start off with the obscurity comment. I just did a search on google for "+warez+slackware". I got 2,450 hits. I did the same for redhat and got 5,470 hits. Twice as many, but still, slackware doesn't sound too unheard of to me. As a matter of fact, I've seen several instances where script kiddies and the like will use slackware, because it makes them feel elite (or 3r33+ if you prefer:P).
The second blatantly wrong statement I saw from you is the assumption that any linux distribution would be safer than any other because it's unknown. When crackers get into your system, they do so by utilizing exploits. These exploits are not found in some mysterious redhat file, debian file, etc. These exploits are found in programs...99.9% of those programs can be found in any linux distro. They don't need to know how to install slackware...they just need to know how to exploit that old version of sendmail you're running on port 25.
P.S. If you see an "add hardware wizard" and almost kick your monitor because of it, might I suggest you trade in your "for the love of root" and instead spend your time with a little valerian root.
Ummm...I'm loss here and I'm running Redhat 7.2. I installed it using ext2 partitions (still an option) and I'm about to switch to reiserfs. The reiserfsprogs rpm was included by default. It's not that you CAN'T install reiserfs (IIRC, I had it installed when i had redhat 6.2 which included NO journaling filesystems), but their installer doesn't include it. That's no biggie. I use several programs (kvirc, xv, etc) that their installer doesn't include.
If anyone is wondering why I just installed redhat, actually I've been running it at home for 4 years. It's just that every once in a while I like to wipe everything but/home away and do a clean install...just to see what it's like. I have done upgrades in the past but sometimes my curiosity gets the best of me.
...and the vulcan chick rubbing herself with oil..that was my favorite part of the show *drool*
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Try it the way many of us do....ftp to ftp.kde.org. Then you can compile it from the source. If you use mandrake or redhat you can use the script checkinstall and make RPMs out of it. If not, I'm sure you can use alien.
According to this article, an individual posted the recruitment call in the message section while talking to another individual. They also say the canadian government has dismissed any action.
No thanks...I'll stick to using linux as a firewall. Why? It is highly configurable and I don't have $150 to plop down on something I can do with a little research and no money.
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I just checked the abiword website..and to donate funds they say you must have a paypal account...and give you a link to contribute...that sends you to PAYPAL. Is this a joke??
THIS is how microsoft operates. If they cannot "embrace and extend" they will litigate their way to victory. I'm really not surprised by this action at all. We already knew Microsoft was concerned about the competition linux might offer and it seemed like we were getting too much of a free ride.
The only thing we can hope now is that the monopoly case will take a little bite out of Microsoft. Otherwise, this will continue to the point that releasing software or drivers for linux becomes a LIABILITY. At that point, no matter how much better the OS is, it is dead in the water.
I'd like to know where this number came from. It sounds a lot like the "figures" thrown around with Kevin Mitnik. There should definately be a law against THIS kind of behaviour. Artificially inflating damages is worse, IMO, than what these kids did.
If I remember correctly, theft of services is not a federal crime. I could be wrong when it comes to cable though.
Recently, a friend of mine called the police because a customer had ordered his services, then after he finished, refused to pay the price they had agreed upon. The customer sued for mental anguish and the judge said that there IS no such thing as "theft of services" in New Orleans and that this is a civil case, not a case for the police.
Checkinstall works great. If there is no rpm, just download the source tar.gz and build an rpm.
You forgot to mention one thing though. You now have built an RPM...it is added into your database. If that rpm becomes a dependency for another package , it is easily found in the database.
Also, now that you have an RPM, if you have other systems, you can simply drop in the binary rpm on those systems. Sure, plain old source may work great...but have you ever tried to build a package from source on 20 different machines? Much easier to build it on one and drop the binary rpm into the others.
Redhat's up2date does indeed handle dependencies. It turns upgrading into a point and click exercise. I've used it ever since it came out in beta and have never had a problem.
As a matter of fact, I prefer up2date to anything I've seen. Why? Well, every other day I run up2date. If there is an upgraded package available for your system...for any reason: normal upgrade, system advisory, etc., then up2date notifies you and you can view the advisory from within up2date and decide if you wish to install.
Up2date is a very adequate replacement for the tool of windows users: windows update.
Yes, but if I don't have the original OS on the computer, they can't prove I ever clicked that I agree. I may very well have clicked I disagree and booted next time with a floppy and installed linux.
someone shed some light on this. I just don't see how it would apply to spam. It sounds to me like they're grasping with straws here. We have several trespassing laws in the US, but I think any judge would strike down a case against a spammer using such laws.
Well, in linux you could just as easily listen to free radio stations using spinner.com or actually finding your radio station you want and using realplayer.
:P
As far as DVDs, just use VideoLAN::Client. You don't have to unlock dvds, no compiling commandline tools, etc. Also, if you use VideoLAN::Server you can *gasp* stream that DVD over your network!
As far as setting up your XF86Config file, that's pretty easy itself.
Linux isn't for everyone. If you're happy with XP, then use it. But don't bother us about how great windows is. It's not. Some people don't need or want what linux has to offer. That's ok. I'm sure Microsoft will be around in the future
Well, first I'd like to say that I'm not a new convert to linux. Many people assume that when I post on slashdot because I don't agree with their views. But, if it wasn't for disagreeing viewpoints, we'd still be using Motif and deeming IT the greatest.
:P
I've been using linux for well over 4 years...perhaps closer to five or six. I started out with slackware and loved it compared to windows 95. I then found a young distribution online and, after downloading for a week (dial up connections kept dying...a royal pain), I had my first redhat system. This was also the first time I actually had xwindows.
Since then, although I've tried out distributions and the bsd's, my primary OS has always been linux. I've used KDE since before 1.0 but have had my experiences with gnome, fvwm2, enlightenment, etc.
I'm well aware of xEmacs, but I don't care too much for it. Yes, it has a LOT of functionality..that I'm not denying. But, it's simply not the right tool for me. I'm not going to use something because of the long list of features. I'm going to use something that does what *I* need for it to do. After I find the programs that do what I need them to do, then I pick the one that is most pleasing to the eye and implements things in the fashion closest to what I would.
This is going a little off track from the original discussion, but I think it deserves a little time. There are plenty of choices out there for everything. That's what makes linux so great to me. Well, that and the fact that if I spend too much time staring at windows programs, my head starts throbbing and I develop a noticeable twitch
Emacs is great for some...just what they need/want. VI is awesome for others. Still others prefer wordperfect, kwrite, star office, jed, or whatever else. Just like window managers and desktop environments, we can't even agree on ANY program for any purpose. LILO is awesome? I use grub.
Linux users are a stubborn bunch...that's one reason we use linux. We can find all the programs we like and can be stubborn about them. But, instead of just modding someone down as a troll because they have a different opinion...why not realize that different opinions are what makes linux work? If you think about it, differing opinions are why linux even exists.
I disagree highly with RMS. He irritates me to no end. I hope that one day he shuts up. But, like it or not, he's a part of the community. So am I. I admit, I haven't done much FOR the community in the years I've been a part of it. I answer questions, help people install redhat, write letters to congress and whoever else, compiled some KVirc rpms and donated them once upon a time and point out bugs when I find them in whatever programs I use.
I guess what I'm trying to say is I have a choice and my choice is equally valid. I'm not really saying all this to you...your last post was perfectly enjoyable, but I'm saying this to all who read. I think we're all forgetting where we came from and what brought us here. It's different for a lot of people...but damn, choice sure is nice.
>If you went from Emacs to KWrite, you obviously never knew how to use Emacs properly because no one in their right mind >would switch from Emacs to KWrite.
I beg to differ on that one. I think kwrite has a clean interface and does what I want it to do...it acts like a word processor...nothing more. I can make sure I have my own opening and closing brackets, and that they're in the right spot. I don't need emacs to do it for me.
As far as the interface goes, emacs is way too unix-y for me. I like clean, crisp interfaces. I like point and click. Sure, when I'm in a terminal and don't have access to an X display, I can use emacs. But, on my home computer, I use kwrite.
RMS and the FSF do nothing for us. That is why the gnu/linux thing gets to me so much. It's linux...not gnu/linux. Even Linus Torvalds, the man that holds the Linux trademark, has stated that.
Sure, linux used gnu when it first came out, and still does use it. But, linux incorporates a lot of stuff into it. If we have a c# compiler in our distribution, should we be forced to call it Microsoft GNU/Linux ?
Gnu wouldn't be anywhere today if it wasn't for linux. I sometimes think linux would be better off without gnu though. What if the Intel c++ compiler was vamped up and used in x86 distributions instead of gcc. We'd automatically have programs running up to 30% faster.
Sure, emacs is gnu. But, I no longer use emacs. I use kwrite. I hope we see stuff like this happening more and more in the future: projects surpassing GNU and finally silencing RMS.
He provided a lot for linux when it was starting out, but he shouldn't sit there and take credit for linux or for the open source movement. He's riding on the coattails of linux.
Before I say anything, I'll say that these are the comments made from someone who has tried freebsd twice for a couple of months at a time but has run linux for years.
Now that freebsd has a decent linux threads port, it appears to support a lot more software without sacrificing anything. freebsd does this by using "ports". You just go into the directory of the software you want to install, and compile it...scripts in the directory will download and install everything needed.
As far as gaming, driver support, etc. just remember, this is not linux. In those areas, freebsd falls far behind linux. Freebsd focuses on being a server OS far more than linux does. From what I've seen, there really isn't a DESIRE to support the hottest new soundcard, graphics card, or nifty gadget and squeeze optimum performance out of it. In some cases, linux support comes a year or more before *bsd support for a particular product.
As far as whether games are supported as well, maybe you should check out www.lokigames.com and ask them. I would venture to say they wouldn't work, but I'm not sure of that, so I will just say I don't know.
I'm sure this will be modded down and called flamebait...all my posts have been so far. But, this is what I understand to be the truth.
>Alan Cox is doing more for freedom in America than you have ever done. Think about that the next time you criticize.
Ok...that was just silly. I am an American citizen. I vote AND write my congress. Even if I didn't write congress, I still do more for freedom than some middle aged man in england hiding details for a kernel that many consider old tech anyway.
By doing what he's doing, Alan Cox is preaching to the choir and alienating americans. We didn't vote for the DMCA...we didn't have a chance to. Yet, he is "punishing" us because of his ego. He thinks he is important enough that he'll make a difference. If we're not making a difference here, he won't make a difference concealing details about something most, if not all, congressmen have never even heard of.
I, for one, am just glad that he's not going to maintain the 2.4 kernel.
Alan Cox is definately beginning to irritate me in the last few months. First, he won't change over the VM, then he won't disclose the changelogs. He finally gave in on the VM.
Mr. Cox, do you adhere to all the rules of the U.S. as a british citizen? I suppose you keep a library of U.S. lawbooks at your house so you won't violate any of our laws while in your home country.
The DMCA is a U.S. law. Dmitri Skylarov was arrested while breaking the DMCA on U.S. soil. Even if AC broke the DMCA in England and then came here, he'd have to break the DMCA here in order to get arrested.
The federal goverment does not actively seek out violators of the DMCA without a "victim" bringing the violation to their attention. This is simply ridiculous. You can't be put in jail for publishing changelogs to your own code.
Oh my god...last week I tried to hack my own linux box! I'm a fugitive from justice!
Personally, I vote Alan Cox finds him a nice little therapist somewhere in merry old England and tries to get some help.
I understand that part..but when the official kernel came out, didn't ac use it, then add new patches to it? patches that would eventually make it into the official kernel?
so 2.4.5-ac1 was the 2.4.5 kernel with these changes..
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How in the world did my original post constitute as flamebait??
That's just too weird..had to say something
I was talking to a friend yesterday about this very issue. I'm glad to see it resolved. To the outside world, Linux already looks fragmented compared to windows (many different distributions of linux compared to one Microsoft). This may not be a correct assumption, but having two different kernels did not help the situation at all.
Now, finally, we can say again : "There is one linux kernel, there are many different distributions. The kernel is the same and the different distributions differ only in programs and scripts".
Linux isn't ready for the desktop? Ohhhh crap....do I have to erase it then?
Ok...I had to reply to that.
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"If you want security and to run Linux, Slackware is for you. Few script kiddies have heard of Slackware... can you say "security through obscurity"?"
I'm not even sure where to begin with a statement that is as blatantly wrong as this...so I will start off with the obscurity comment. I just did a search on google for "+warez+slackware". I got 2,450 hits. I did the same for redhat and got 5,470 hits. Twice as many, but still, slackware doesn't sound too unheard of to me. As a matter of fact, I've seen several instances where script kiddies and the like will use slackware, because it makes them feel elite (or 3r33+ if you prefer
The second blatantly wrong statement I saw from you is the assumption that any linux distribution would be safer than any other because it's unknown. When crackers get into your system, they do so by utilizing exploits. These exploits are not found in some mysterious redhat file, debian file, etc. These exploits are found in programs...99.9% of those programs can be found in any linux distro. They don't need to know how to install slackware...they just need to know how to exploit that old version of sendmail you're running on port 25.
P.S. If you see an "add hardware wizard" and almost kick your monitor because of it, might I suggest you trade in your "for the love of root" and instead spend your time with a little valerian root.
Ummm...I'm loss here and I'm running Redhat 7.2. I installed it using ext2 partitions (still an option) and I'm about to switch to reiserfs. The reiserfsprogs rpm was included by default. It's not that you CAN'T install reiserfs (IIRC, I had it installed when i had redhat 6.2 which included NO journaling filesystems), but their installer doesn't include it. That's no biggie. I use several programs (kvirc, xv, etc) that their installer doesn't include.
/home away and do a clean install...just to see what it's like. I have done upgrades in the past but sometimes my curiosity gets the best of me.
If anyone is wondering why I just installed redhat, actually I've been running it at home for 4 years. It's just that every once in a while I like to wipe everything but
Actually, you wouldn't. If you broke into your neighbor's house, you would be charged with a crime and your vigilanteism would land you in jail.
This is not a country where it is legal to take the law into your own hands. If you do so, you belong in jail.
...and the vulcan chick rubbing herself with oil..that was my favorite part of the show *drool*
Try it the way many of us do....ftp to ftp.kde.org. Then you can compile it from the source. If you use mandrake or redhat you can use the script checkinstall and make RPMs out of it. If not, I'm sure you can use alien.
I'm running kde 2.2.1 as we speak
http://english.islamway.com/article.php?sid=110
According to this article, an individual posted the recruitment call in the message section while talking to another individual. They also say the canadian government has dismissed any action.
No thanks...I'll stick to using linux as a firewall. Why? It is highly configurable and I don't have $150 to plop down on something I can do with a little research and no money.