And what would that be? Theo gives away OpenBSD. Check your favorite mirror. *sigh*
Wait all you want. IPF will *always* be older than PF. That's the nature of birthdays.
From reading various upmod'ed anti-PF comments here from people who seem to lack a clue [1]
I can't help but go into conspiracy mode and wonder if there's a FUD campaign against PF.
[1] by seem to lack a clue, I refer to several posts:
A) "I've not run PF lately"
Well, guess what, it's not beta any more.
B)"less-proven packet filter, from Theo"
Less-proven is only changed when more people give it a try. Oh, and Theo didn't write PF.
Why not try PF instead of insinuating it is crap? Take a non-production machine and install it. Hit it with various tools - nessus, SATAN, nmap, . See how it stands up to attack. But please refrain from spreading FUD about it being untried and immature. You do a disservice to PF and OpenBSD. Think about it. You like Theo's operating system. Do you really think he's going to include a POS critial tool in his release?
[Please notice I've not called IPF crap, nor insulted Darren.]
Might I ask when you last tried PF? I'd enjoy an example of something than can be done in IPF that can't in PF.
There are already examples of the reverse - namely:
1) scrubbing
2) variables
3) listed elements allowing one line to do what takes many lines in IPF
4) inbound and outbound rules on bridges
Politics, flamefest, and egos aside, I simply believe PF is technically superior - based on the above things that PF can do that IPF can't - in addition to the common features of both - until proven otherwise.
I'm wrong on the price as I was thinking of the 2.8/2.9 price. What I meant about read the interview is that the cost of the discs is not for the media. It is to support the OpenBSD project. People who wish to keep Theo and crew working on OpenBSD should buy the CD set. People who cannot afford it can:
- download the appropriate architecture folder
- install across the 'net
- make their own CDs
- download someone's custom ISO
Don't bitch about the price though.
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I can do you one better than studies. Pictures of why helmets are a good thing.
does not include useless features such as modem ports and firewalls
Hardly useless. I use the modem port on my SMC every day. Two more weeks till cable modem's in my hood. And I use the firewall integrated in the SMC instead of a seperate [SIC] computer. It does as good a job as using a separate computer (at least according to my SATAN/nessus/nmap/saint scans) and saves me a good bit of desk space. And I use the three-port switch built into it as well. Oh, and the parallel port too for network printer sharing. And I paid $187. What did you pay for that separate computer and your switch?
However, my iBook happily connects to my SMC 7000AWBR at home, and my friend's DLink 713 at her house. Both are priced simliarly, and at least the SMC has Mac support (I *think* the DLink does, but can't confirm it).
I use 802.11b at a friend's two-story early-60s house in Florida - meaning wood frame, drywall, and wood paneling. With a DLink 713 in one room, a client 20 feet away in the next room (through a wall with a six by three foot cut-out) sees signal strength of 50%. Given how bandwidth drops with signal strength, I'd of the school that firmly states that 802.11b is *highly* overrated. With a stock rig, it's a trade-off of convenience vs performance.
Oh? Really? Then why can't I install/replace a system dll on Win2k without rebooting? With Linux/Unix, one can update libraries in a running system. Installing system apps almost always requires a system reboot in the MS world. Mission critical my ass.
Alternatively, you can configure nearly everything either through commandline tools (try "net help" from cmd.exe, "ipconfig/?", "route/?", and so on)
Ok, here's a big problem we face at my job site with hundreds of student accounts that must be reset every two months (when the next batch come in).
Reset a range of user accounts (xxx100-xxx600) to a specified default password WITH the flag marked to force a password change on initial login. Do that from the command line so it could be batched. I've STFTN. I've STFKB. If you can figure out how to do it, I'll grovel at your feet.
Unless my memories of touring old mines in Nevada are faulty, it is going to be a royal bitch to keep the site cool. Read this as being very expensive to run given the blurb on the Super-K site about keeping water at 14C to prevent organic growth.
The movie theatre I worked at in college *did* allow people to bring in their own food and drinks and we managed to make a great profit. For some reason people like hot fresh popcorn at a movie.
People are going to sneak stuff in to a movie (especially up north during winter). But a stong segment will still buy at the counter for convenience.
$5 for 30 cents of popcorn? $4 for 25 cents of soda? Give me a break. If concession prices were reasonable, more people would buy and profits would increase. Take a chance and try it one Saturday - half-price concession.
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> Theo sells what Darren is giving away
And what would that be? Theo gives away OpenBSD. Check your favorite mirror. *sigh*
Wait all you want. IPF will *always* be older than PF. That's the nature of birthdays.
From reading various upmod'ed anti-PF comments here from people who seem to lack a clue [1]
I can't help but go into conspiracy mode and wonder if there's a FUD campaign against PF.
[1] by seem to lack a clue, I refer to several posts:
A) "I've not run PF lately"
Well, guess what, it's not beta any more.
B)"less-proven packet filter, from Theo"
Less-proven is only changed when more people give it a try. Oh, and Theo didn't write PF.
Why not try PF instead of insinuating it is crap? Take a non-production machine and install it. Hit it with various tools - nessus, SATAN, nmap, . See how it stands up to attack. But please refrain from spreading FUD about it being untried and immature. You do a disservice to PF and OpenBSD. Think about it. You like Theo's operating system. Do you really think he's going to include a POS critial tool in his release?
[Please notice I've not called IPF crap, nor insulted Darren.]
Might I ask when you last tried PF? I'd enjoy an example of something than can be done in IPF that can't in PF.
There are already examples of the reverse - namely:
1) scrubbing
2) variables
3) listed elements allowing one line to do what takes many lines in IPF
4) inbound and outbound rules on bridges
Politics, flamefest, and egos aside, I simply believe PF is technically superior - based on the above things that PF can do that IPF can't - in addition to the common features of both - until proven otherwise.
Oh, you mean like the rumored Lethal Weapon 5? :)
I'm paid what the market will bear.
Ah, the same attitude that has spawned the dot-com bust.
you're underpaid. Whereas I work for a company that is expanding rapidly, and I'm averaging a 44% pay rise a year.
Or perhaps you're overpaid, and a prime example of why housing costs so much in cities such as San Diego and San Francisco.
Granted, David Duchovny has been in numerous movies and TV eps, but how could you possibly not include The Rapture in your list?
:)
Must have been an oversight.
[OOffTC - why the hell isn't it out on DVD yet when crap like Johnny Mnemonic has been released TWICE? In superbit no less...]
I'm not an astrophysicist by any means
... 67 million miles away
Aye, that's the truth.
we are totally and utterly dependant on that big ball
Sure, if the laws of numbers are broken and suddenly 67 is equal to 93. It's called an AU as well - and no, that doesn't refer to Australia.
Or my SSI America Neo-25 (discontinued now that the Neo Jukebox is available) with its 20 GIG HD.
Here come the myriad "IANAL but..." and "ignore the /. crowd, contact your lawyer" responses.
But somehow, 2000 computers doesn't seem like that compares in any way to various military and Fortune 500 networks.
Or, for the more obvious - the college network. Just the dorms at a big school exceed 2000 computers, let alone labs, offices...
I have a feeling that quote that will haunt McClung forever, sort of like the 640k one for Billy Boy.
I'm wrong on the price as I was thinking of the 2.8/2.9 price. What I meant about read the interview is that the cost of the discs is not for the media. It is to support the OpenBSD project. People who wish to keep Theo and crew working on OpenBSD should buy the CD set. People who cannot afford it can:
- download the appropriate architecture folder
- install across the 'net
- make their own CDs
- download someone's custom ISO
Don't bitch about the price though.
I can do you one better than studies. Pictures of why helmets are a good thing.
Not for the squeemish...
motorcycle accident
Meanwhile, if you had *read* the interview, you'd know why there's one set of CDs for $30.
does not include useless features such as modem ports and firewalls
Hardly useless. I use the modem port on my SMC every day. Two more weeks till cable modem's in my hood. And I use the firewall integrated in the SMC instead of a seperate [SIC] computer. It does as good a job as using a separate computer (at least according to my SATAN/nessus/nmap/saint scans) and saves me a good bit of desk space. And I use the three-port switch built into it as well. Oh, and the parallel port too for network printer sharing. And I paid $187. What did you pay for that separate computer and your switch?
However, my iBook happily connects to my SMC 7000AWBR at home, and my friend's DLink 713 at her house. Both are priced simliarly, and at least the SMC has Mac support (I *think* the DLink does, but can't confirm it).
The company that has never been know to send personal information back to Apple, ever.
Well, that's not entirely true... Try installing OS 9 and OS X. Both definitely ask you for personal info and send it back to Apple.
Er, what about the Atari 800, the Vic 20, the C64, the TI 99/4A...
I'm showing my age *sigh*
My Mac runs Windows 2000. My Mac runs AIX. My Mac run NetBSD. My Mac runs Linux. Oh, and Macs have been beige since the 80s.
For that matter, my Amiga (Goddess rest its soul) was beige as well, and ran MacOS, Linux, NetBSD, Windows 95...
Yes, you are silly.
I use 802.11b at a friend's two-story early-60s house in Florida - meaning wood frame, drywall, and wood paneling. With a DLink 713 in one room, a client 20 feet away in the next room (through a wall with a six by three foot cut-out) sees signal strength of 50%. Given how bandwidth drops with signal strength, I'd of the school that firmly states that 802.11b is *highly* overrated. With a stock rig, it's a trade-off of convenience vs performance.
fast and reliable as the United States Postal Service
Everyone mocks USPS. But they actually do a very good job for 34 cents.
Better, faster, cheaper - choose any two.
Somehow my bills seems to make their way to my mailbox every month.
Windows 2000 is as stable as Linux.
Oh? Really? Then why can't I install/replace a system dll on Win2k without rebooting? With Linux/Unix, one can update libraries in a running system. Installing system apps almost always requires a system reboot in the MS world. Mission critical my ass.
I've one for you, Windows Fan Boy.
/?", "route /?", and so on)
Alternatively, you can configure nearly everything either through commandline tools (try "net help" from cmd.exe, "ipconfig
Ok, here's a big problem we face at my job site with hundreds of student accounts that must be reset every two months (when the next batch come in).
Reset a range of user accounts (xxx100-xxx600) to a specified default password WITH the flag marked to force a password change on initial login. Do that from the command line so it could be batched. I've STFTN. I've STFKB. If you can figure out how to do it, I'll grovel at your feet.
It's really fun doing this one-by-one in the GUI.
"8,000 feet deep"
Unless my memories of touring old mines in Nevada are faulty, it is going to be a royal bitch to keep the site cool. Read this as being very expensive to run given the blurb on the Super-K site about keeping water at 14C to prevent organic growth.
In Canada, the movies come out for FREE on DirecTV a few months later anyways
Interesting given DirecTV doesn't provide service in Canada. Sure, you can steal it, but it isn't legally provided by DirecTV.
DirecTV's Canada/Mexico policy
The movie theatre I worked at in college *did* allow people to bring in their own food and drinks and we managed to make a great profit. For some reason people like hot fresh popcorn at a movie.
People are going to sneak stuff in to a movie (especially up north during winter). But a stong segment will still buy at the counter for convenience.
$5 for 30 cents of popcorn? $4 for 25 cents of soda? Give me a break. If concession prices were reasonable, more people would buy and profits would increase. Take a chance and try it one Saturday - half-price concession.