Up to now, I still don't see why I shouldn't enjoy a swig of Pepsi.
Just because the profits from it are insane doesn't mean people shouldn't buy it. It's a good product.
Their owning real estate companies still doesn't worry me. How they spend the profits I want to give them in exchange for their quailty product doesn't concern me (assuming they aren't purposely hurting others with it).
As far as the government not regulating Coke or Pepsi, I wonder how many more needles in Coke & Pepsi cans it would take before the FDA would have done a thourogh look at their manufacturing process? I don't think it would have been too many...
>They either need to have an agreement between AMD and Intel stating that the new chips will be $300, and will stay there for 1 year
Yay! Cartel, Collusion and Anti-Trust lawsuits abound! I can smell the Ambulance Chasers crawling up their proverbial asses right now! Mee-Maw-Mee-Maw!
Next thing you know, the vitamin companies are going to get together and create an artificial increase in vitimain prices because they know General Mills, Quaker and Post can afford it!
I have been through exactly the same stupidity. And this is at a college that accepts donations but won't hand them out.
They paid someone $5 a monitor to cart out palettes of decently working 14" VGA/SVGA color monitors.
Methinks that now I have a company registered under my name I might be able to get an "employee" who isn't me under their rader to take them out at that price.
And yes, it is stupidity like this that is the reason why your education tax dollar is so high. It's high time they cut it even further than teachers striking. They need to to cut it far enough that the people doing these dastardly deeds feel the pain of no money/jobs. Only then will the insanity stop.
>I don't know about you, but I know from personal experiance, that spilling normal (~140 F) liquid in my lap, while uncomfortable and hot, will not cause major burns, maybe reddening of the skin, but that is about it.
"Bad" (I assume bad enough for a hospital visit) burning of the skin occurs in under 6 seconds with hot water at 140 degrees.
Don't be fooled by a fool (not you, the McDs lady) -- if you're dumb enough to hold a coffee cup between your legs, you're dumb enough not to jump when it starts to burn.
But, I have discussed this point with others before. After hearing about the temperature of McDs coffee, I totally agree people using it properly (as in drinking it) who were burned by it getting compensation, but complete morons (by choice) simply don't deserve money for anything.
>Bottom line, if the coffee was at a normal how hold temp (145 F), the spill while painful would not have caused the damage it did.
Any liquid can burn at any reasonably high temperature (145 F is high enough) if its left there long enough. Anyone stupid enough to keep coffee so near their reproductive area would have left the "cooler" coffee there long enough to cause such bad burns as the short time she had the 180 F coffee there anyways.
Next thing you know people will be suing ViewSonic for making monitors that carry enough voltage inside to knock you off your feet, rather than just cause you a heart attack.
>The more crimes you force the pirates and thieves to break to get their little prize, the more likely it becomes that you can catch them, prosecute them and send them to prison where they belong.
Yup, because all Canadians that enjoy American TV deserve some time in a Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass prison.
Or has everyone forgotten that the main definition of pirate (apart from arr-matey!) is someone who broadcasts or receives radio signals illegally?
>Just about every day I see the latest attempt by the media/software industries to prevent the theft of their product, and usually soon after see a circumvention of that attempt.
By your title I thought we were talking about the media inside the player, but after reading the word theft I see you are talking about the discman itself.
I don't think the reviewers are interesting in stealing another discman. I'm sure they have had more than enough of their fill of $30 WalMart portable CD players.
>I don't make lame, redundant posts like yours [1]. [1]Or, when I do, I make them anonymously.
Well, that's twice as lame in that case. If you can't take the heat, don't stay in the kitchen, I always say.
You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs. An intelligent person just gets used to making the occasional mistake and simply gets over them.
>Are you not afraid that that people who know you can see the crap you spout?
Actually, since the majority of my posts are insightful, funny, and informative, I regularly get modded up. The moderator that moderated me down was very much in the minority.
And some people that I know regularly check what I post due to the fact that it is so insightful and interesting. One of them plans to start a business with me upon my graduation from college.
Being that what I say is so scintillating I have acquired a reasonable fan base, and a small amount of freaks. (Kudos to those willing to share their friendship -- I must remember to click those buttons more often!)
Of course, last but not least, if you're so scared to post anything with your uid attached, why bother at all?
And last year 42 people in the US were rendered with an IQ of 55 by sticking over 14 crayons in their face. Crayola doesn't care. They just want to sell as many crayons as they can. Especially powder blue ones.
If one of those 42 people were your close relative, would you care? Would you remove the crayon?
Would you even take the time to write the number 42 in crayon?
>So the real blame exists with the admins who did not upgrade since july 30th. A security advisory was given out a while ago.
True. But the software team at fault for the vulnerability ever existing is still the OpenSSL team... [That is if you want to blame software companies]
Not that I blame them too much. But I still think it's pretty lame to create security software with buffer overflows, even if you do fix them right away.
>When you purchase something you own that item but if its a work then the work itself is still copyrighted even though you own that copy.
Who said purchase?
I think you are reading far to much of the RIAAs idea of what the word MP3 means. It's actually just a file format for digital music, and, unlike what the RIAA would like to redefine it as, is not a metaphor for "Pirate Music".
To create your own music from scratch (as the previous poster stated) and put it into MP3 format is certainly not illegal at all. Not even in the RIAAs backyard.
>IT is not lawfull to willfilly break a copyright >Can he create his own mp3's? Absolutely!
Both Agreed.
>Can he share them to the world? No.
YES. If he makes the music himself (as in he is a musician, and at a university, one can expect some music courses) then he has complete distribution rights over it, unless he signs to a record company.
>The guy has high speed ethernet, yet he can not get above 5k a sec!
Incompetent administration is not an excuse to remove the basic rights of an individual. The answer to this is so simple, even me, an at-home armchair linux user can fix it. Here's some help for them, for free.
If the admins there were worth the money they were being paid this wouldn't be a problem. There's many, many, many solutions to this. Here's a list of them:
- Leaky bucket algorithm, similar to that used by DirecPC (annoying, but doesn't make Kazaa a showstopper).
- Hard download/upload limit (a showstopper for heavy Kazaa users, a non-problem for regular users).
- Pay-by-the-byte service. Offer enough transfer to allow a student to complete the course (lets say 2 GB). Anything after that is charged. (everyone is happy). If lots of people "abuse" the University service, enough money is paid into the "kitty" to increase the bandwidth, and everything is peachy.
>down the the packets from the dormitory is not the answer either but sadly is becomming popular.
One of my options suggests that, but the rest don't. And none of them are beyond the expertise of a regular administrator.
>That they should ban or restric piraters.
Agreed with the restriction part, but it should be either a monetary restriction, or a speed restriction. Anything else is controlling what the students can/can't do with the network directly, and could leave the University culpable for their offenses. [You'd be very surprised with how strange the law can get in these situations -- and remember, at a university you have law students].
>Gentoo would be unusable at anything under 20k a second.
I live in Canada, and like many Canadians, proper high-speed internet just isn't ever going to be where I live (well, maybe, but I doubt that gov't initiative is ever going through).
Yet I run 3 slackware machines, one redhat machine and two copies of Win XP (fully updated), and I've survived (although getting LookTV lately has helped ease the pain:).
You'd be surprised how much you can do even with a "slow" net connection.
>Not with the University's resources. Get yer own DSL.
That's strange. I thought Universities were public resources, meaning the public owns them.
Why can't he do what he wants (within the law) with not only what he already owns (publically) but what he pays a premium for (privately)?
>Amazing, but that's how it'll work in the "real world" too, someday!
You know what, I was once with a co-op ISP, meaning it was partly owned by the public, like a university. It wasn't the best experience (always busy) but if they stopped me from downloading or uploading anything I'd be getting my money back.
Since I hate you now, I'm going to pick apart your "argument", sentence by sentence.
>Is this the trump card the OSS community is going to play now?
It isn't a trump card. It's the truth, FUDmeister.
>An OS is only as useful as it's applications.
This is a half truth. DOS would be a very useful OS if this were true due to the large amount of applications available for it. Unfortunately, a lack of networking, memory management, and built in functions made it useless for today's applications.
>What am I supposed to do, only run the fucking kernel?
If you choose to.
>Great, well at least I wont be vulnerable, because I won't have any applications betraying me.
True.
>I could run MS-DOS and be just as safe.
I suppose so. Maybe you could try setting up your DOS machine with Arachne instead? Hopefully it won't let you surf slashdot.
>You got a +5 for the lamest fucking argument I ever heard.
You'll get a -1 because you can't put together an argument at all.
>This is just the OSS community sucking each other's dicks.
This is just the troll community displaying what happens when you have fewer than two digits in your IQ.
So, what's your argument? I fail to see it. You just put a bunch of unconnected ideas into a paragraph and said it relates to OSS. I can do that too:
Microsoft has made many poor operating systems in the past. DOS is one of them. Running DOS is the pits. Speaking of pits, did you know there are cars running Microsoft software? We should all run OSS and be safe. This is just the troll community being lame about non-OSS software again. Let's all hail Bill Gates and Linus!
But that would make me look stupid and unintelligent.
>You say that now, but when people talk about the merits of 'Linux', you'll talk about apache and openssh like it was all the same thing.
Maybe so, it depends on the context. Either way, when you are applying praise, its customary to use a broad brush. You don't damage the reputation of people or software with misplaced praise.
However, when you are going to complain about someone or something, you don't want to tar the uninvolved with a broad brush.
It's all really just a matter of courtesy. I once said MS-DOS wasn't so bad once Norton Utilities was released, even though they're only somewhat related, too.
The local newspaper mentioned slashdot as a site complaining about the deal when it made front page in the locals. It might be worth double checking your spelling/grammar/intelligence before posting.:-)
>Do you check a dictionary [dictionary.com] when unsure? Why Not?
I checked google because, as usual, dictionary.com is slower than slashdot running off an ISDN line.:-)
Google suggested "fecicious" as a corrected spelling, so I used it (it seems its been fixed now -- strange). I know that's how google spelled it because I copied and pasted it. How does google look up its words anyways?
But thanks for the heads up on the spelling. I do try to keep it correct.
No, Linus didn't make Apache or the OpenSSL library (the real problem).
If anyone deserves the blame for this, its the OpenSSL team themselves (and I would hedge a bet more of them work for BSD rather than Linux, just by the license). They caused the vulnerability. One would think that a team of programmers who are trying to create a set of high-security tools wouldn't _ever_ have a buffer overflow. That's the kind of mistake a green programmer like myself would make.
The fact is people blame Microsoft for Nimda because Microsoft made the vulnerable IIS webserver. Blame went where blame was due.
So, anyways, blame the right people. Microsoft for IIS, OpenSSL team for OpenSSL.
No, I'm not being fecicious here, but I have seen, and experienced the best prices in July/August. Memory is cheap, and parts are cheap.
My guess is because people and companies just aren't buying much during the summer.
Whatever you do, avoid buying near Christmas. Even if you get a good deal, the extra strain on a dealer to work through Christmas will lower the quality of service, and possibly quality of parts you get.
>Today, IBM would have patented its BIOS, and sued for treble damages, anyone doing a reverse engineering.
True, but the IBM BIOS wasn't reverse engineered.
The specs to it (similar to those available for patents) were given to expert assembly language coders who had never touched the PC platform before (and Compaq was VERY careful about that). They were told to create a BIOS that would perform every single feature listed exactly as listed, without looking at a single byte of code from the IBM BIOS. The basic word for this is "black-box" engineering. It isn't reverse engineering, because you don't get to see how they did it. You only get to see the results from what they did.
The only thing that wasn't duplicated, (IMHO) due to time constraints, and the waste of effort involved:) was BASICA. And that's why some PCs say (drumroll) "No ROM Basic Installed" when they have nothing to boot from.
I am unsure IBM would even be granted a patent for a BIOS that wouldn't be heavily contested by prior art. I seem to recall virtually all home computers having a similar (in idea, not in code) bootstrap/BIOS burned into them at the time.
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Up to now, I still don't see why I shouldn't enjoy a swig of Pepsi.
Just because the profits from it are insane doesn't mean people shouldn't buy it. It's a good product.
Their owning real estate companies still doesn't worry me. How they spend the profits I want to give them in exchange for their quailty product doesn't concern me (assuming they aren't purposely hurting others with it).
As far as the government not regulating Coke or Pepsi, I wonder how many more needles in Coke & Pepsi cans it would take before the FDA would have done a thourogh look at their manufacturing process? I don't think it would have been too many...
>They either need to have an agreement between AMD and Intel stating that the new chips will be $300, and will stay there for 1 year
Yay! Cartel, Collusion and Anti-Trust lawsuits abound! I can smell the Ambulance Chasers crawling up their proverbial asses right now! Mee-Maw-Mee-Maw!
Next thing you know, the vitamin companies are going to get together and create an artificial increase in vitimain prices because they know General Mills, Quaker and Post can afford it!
Woohoo! More wasted money!
I have been through exactly the same stupidity. And this is at a college that accepts donations but won't hand them out.
They paid someone $5 a monitor to cart out palettes of decently working 14" VGA/SVGA color monitors.
Methinks that now I have a company registered under my name I might be able to get an "employee" who isn't me under their rader to take them out at that price.
And yes, it is stupidity like this that is the reason why your education tax dollar is so high. It's high time they cut it even further than teachers striking. They need to to cut it far enough that the people doing these dastardly deeds feel the pain of no money/jobs. Only then will the insanity stop.
>I don't know about you, but I know from personal experiance, that spilling normal (~140 F) liquid in my lap, while uncomfortable and hot, will not cause major burns, maybe reddening of the skin, but that is about it.
"Bad" (I assume bad enough for a hospital visit) burning of the skin occurs in under 6 seconds with hot water at 140 degrees.
Don't be fooled by a fool (not you, the McDs lady) -- if you're dumb enough to hold a coffee cup between your legs, you're dumb enough not to jump when it starts to burn.
But, I have discussed this point with others before. After hearing about the temperature of McDs coffee, I totally agree people using it properly (as in drinking it) who were burned by it getting compensation, but complete morons (by choice) simply don't deserve money for anything.
>Bottom line, if the coffee was at a normal how hold temp (145 F), the spill while painful would not have caused the damage it did.
Any liquid can burn at any reasonably high temperature (145 F is high enough) if its left there long enough. Anyone stupid enough to keep coffee so near their reproductive area would have left the "cooler" coffee there long enough to cause such bad burns as the short time she had the 180 F coffee there anyways.
Next thing you know people will be suing ViewSonic for making monitors that carry enough voltage inside to knock you off your feet, rather than just cause you a heart attack.
>The more crimes you force the pirates and thieves to break to get their little prize, the more likely it becomes that you can catch them, prosecute them and send them to prison where they belong.
Yup, because all Canadians that enjoy American TV deserve some time in a Federal Pound-Me-In-The-Ass prison.
Or has everyone forgotten that the main definition of pirate (apart from arr-matey!) is someone who broadcasts or receives radio signals illegally?
Having no friends hurts, doesn't it?
Sleeping with a pillow gets boring after a while. I know, I was once like you.
I mean, as long as I can buy a 900 Mhz scanner and listen to everyone's CC #s, VMB #s + passcodes why bother?
Here's hoping you never used your cell or portable phones to say anything silly!
>:-)
>Just about every day I see the latest attempt by the media/software industries to prevent the theft of their product, and usually soon after see a circumvention of that attempt.
By your title I thought we were talking about the media inside the player, but after reading the word theft I see you are talking about the discman itself.
I don't think the reviewers are interesting in stealing another discman. I'm sure they have had more than enough of their fill of $30 WalMart portable CD players.
>I don't make lame, redundant posts like yours [1]. [1]Or, when I do, I make them anonymously.
Well, that's twice as lame in that case. If you can't take the heat, don't stay in the kitchen, I always say.
You can't make an omlette without breaking a few eggs. An intelligent person just gets used to making the occasional mistake and simply gets over them.
>Are you not afraid that that people who know you can see the crap you spout?
Actually, since the majority of my posts are insightful, funny, and informative, I regularly get modded up. The moderator that moderated me down was very much in the minority.
And some people that I know regularly check what I post due to the fact that it is so insightful and interesting. One of them plans to start a business with me upon my graduation from college.
Being that what I say is so scintillating I have acquired a reasonable fan base, and a small amount of freaks. (Kudos to those willing to share their friendship -- I must remember to click those buttons more often!)
Of course, last but not least, if you're so scared to post anything with your uid attached, why bother at all?
HTH.
And last year 42 people in the US were rendered with an IQ of 55 by sticking over 14 crayons in their face. Crayola doesn't care. They just want to sell as many crayons as they can. Especially powder blue ones.
If one of those 42 people were your close relative, would you care? Would you remove the crayon?
Would you even take the time to write the number 42 in crayon?
"Me lose brain? Uh-oh!"
"Why I laugh?"
I'm sure the simpsons will have this on their show in no time...
>So the real blame exists with the admins who did not upgrade since july 30th. A security advisory was given out a while ago.
True. But the software team at fault for the vulnerability ever existing is still the OpenSSL team... [That is if you want to blame software companies]
Not that I blame them too much. But I still think it's pretty lame to create security software with buffer overflows, even if you do fix them right away.
(slaps self on head)
Sorry, I was applying rules from my country (Canada) to another (USA). I keep forgetting the USA allows private companies to give out degrees.
>When you purchase something you own that item but if its a work then the work itself is still copyrighted even though you own that copy.
Who said purchase?
I think you are reading far to much of the RIAAs idea of what the word MP3 means. It's actually just a file format for digital music, and, unlike what the RIAA would like to redefine it as, is not a metaphor for "Pirate Music".
To create your own music from scratch (as the previous poster stated) and put it into MP3 format is certainly not illegal at all. Not even in the RIAAs backyard.
>IT is not lawfull to willfilly break a copyright
:).
>Can he create his own mp3's? Absolutely!
Both Agreed.
>Can he share them to the world? No.
YES. If he makes the music himself (as in he is a musician, and at a university, one can expect some music courses) then he has complete distribution rights over it, unless he signs to a record company.
>The guy has high speed ethernet, yet he can not get above 5k a sec!
Incompetent administration is not an excuse to remove the basic rights of an individual. The answer to this is so simple, even me, an at-home armchair linux user can fix it. Here's some help for them, for free.
If the admins there were worth the money they were being paid this wouldn't be a problem. There's many, many, many solutions to this. Here's a list of them:
- Leaky bucket algorithm, similar to that used by DirecPC (annoying, but doesn't make Kazaa a showstopper).
- Hard download/upload limit (a showstopper for heavy Kazaa users, a non-problem for regular users).
- Pay-by-the-byte service. Offer enough transfer to allow a student to complete the course (lets say 2 GB). Anything after that is charged. (everyone is happy). If lots of people "abuse" the University service, enough money is paid into the "kitty" to increase the bandwidth, and everything is peachy.
>down the the packets from the dormitory is not the answer either but sadly is becomming popular.
One of my options suggests that, but the rest don't. And none of them are beyond the expertise of a regular administrator.
>That they should ban or restric piraters.
Agreed with the restriction part, but it should be either a monetary restriction, or a speed restriction. Anything else is controlling what the students can/can't do with the network directly, and could leave the University culpable for their offenses. [You'd be very surprised with how strange the law can get in these situations -- and remember, at a university you have law students].
>Gentoo would be unusable at anything under 20k a second.
I live in Canada, and like many Canadians, proper high-speed internet just isn't ever going to be where I live (well, maybe, but I doubt that gov't initiative is ever going through).
Yet I run 3 slackware machines, one redhat machine and two copies of Win XP (fully updated), and I've survived (although getting LookTV lately has helped ease the pain
You'd be surprised how much you can do even with a "slow" net connection.
>Not with the University's resources. Get yer own DSL.
That's strange. I thought Universities were public resources, meaning the public owns them.
Why can't he do what he wants (within the law) with not only what he already owns (publically) but what he pays a premium for (privately)?
>Amazing, but that's how it'll work in the "real world" too, someday!
You know what, I was once with a co-op ISP, meaning it was partly owned by the public, like a university. It wasn't the best experience (always busy) but if they stopped me from downloading or uploading anything I'd be getting my money back.
What a lame ass troll.
Since I hate you now, I'm going to pick apart your "argument", sentence by sentence.
>Is this the trump card the OSS community is going to play now?
It isn't a trump card. It's the truth, FUDmeister.
>An OS is only as useful as it's applications.
This is a half truth. DOS would be a very useful OS if this were true due to the large amount of applications available for it. Unfortunately, a lack of networking, memory management, and built in functions made it useless for today's applications.
>What am I supposed to do, only run the fucking kernel?
If you choose to.
>Great, well at least I wont be vulnerable, because I won't have any applications betraying me.
True.
>I could run MS-DOS and be just as safe.
I suppose so. Maybe you could try setting up your DOS machine with Arachne instead? Hopefully it won't let you surf slashdot.
>You got a +5 for the lamest fucking argument I ever heard.
You'll get a -1 because you can't put together an argument at all.
>This is just the OSS community sucking each other's dicks.
This is just the troll community displaying what happens when you have fewer than two digits in your IQ.
So, what's your argument? I fail to see it. You just put a bunch of unconnected ideas into a paragraph and said it relates to OSS. I can do that too:
Microsoft has made many poor operating systems in the past. DOS is one of them. Running DOS is the pits. Speaking of pits, did you know there are cars running Microsoft software? We should all run OSS and be safe. This is just the troll community being lame about non-OSS software again. Let's all hail Bill Gates and Linus!
But that would make me look stupid and unintelligent.
Now, please go troll elsewhere, lamer.
>You say that now, but when people talk about the merits of 'Linux', you'll talk about apache and openssh like it was all the same thing.
Maybe so, it depends on the context. Either way, when you are applying praise, its customary to use a broad brush. You don't damage the reputation of people or software with misplaced praise.
However, when you are going to complain about someone or something, you don't want to tar the uninvolved with a broad brush.
It's all really just a matter of courtesy. I once said MS-DOS wasn't so bad once Norton Utilities was released, even though they're only somewhat related, too.
The local newspaper mentioned slashdot as a site complaining about the deal when it made front page in the locals. It might be worth double checking your spelling/grammar/intelligence before posting. :-)
>Do you check a dictionary [dictionary.com] when unsure? Why Not?
:-)
I checked google because, as usual, dictionary.com is slower than slashdot running off an ISDN line.
Google suggested "fecicious" as a corrected spelling, so I used it (it seems its been fixed now -- strange). I know that's how google spelled it because I copied and pasted it. How does google look up its words anyways?
But thanks for the heads up on the spelling. I do try to keep it correct.
>So, that means Linux sucks too, right?
No, Linus didn't make Apache or the OpenSSL library (the real problem).
If anyone deserves the blame for this, its the OpenSSL team themselves (and I would hedge a bet more of them work for BSD rather than Linux, just by the license). They caused the vulnerability. One would think that a team of programmers who are trying to create a set of high-security tools wouldn't _ever_ have a buffer overflow. That's the kind of mistake a green programmer like myself would make.
The fact is people blame Microsoft for Nimda because Microsoft made the vulnerable IIS webserver. Blame went where blame was due.
So, anyways, blame the right people. Microsoft for IIS, OpenSSL team for OpenSSL.
...If I have "Include mod_ssl.conf" commented out of my httpd.conf?
Just wondering, since I have no interest in serving up any encrypted content on my webserver anyways.
I feel knowledgeable enough to say:
Last month.
No, I'm not being fecicious here, but I have seen, and experienced the best prices in July/August. Memory is cheap, and parts are cheap.
My guess is because people and companies just aren't buying much during the summer.
Whatever you do, avoid buying near Christmas. Even if you get a good deal, the extra strain on a dealer to work through Christmas will lower the quality of service, and possibly quality of parts you get.
>Today, IBM would have patented its BIOS, and sued for treble damages, anyone doing a reverse engineering.
:) was BASICA. And that's why some PCs say (drumroll) "No ROM Basic Installed" when they have nothing to boot from.
True, but the IBM BIOS wasn't reverse engineered.
The specs to it (similar to those available for patents) were given to expert assembly language coders who had never touched the PC platform before (and Compaq was VERY careful about that). They were told to create a BIOS that would perform every single feature listed exactly as listed, without looking at a single byte of code from the IBM BIOS. The basic word for this is "black-box" engineering. It isn't reverse engineering, because you don't get to see how they did it. You only get to see the results from what they did.
The only thing that wasn't duplicated, (IMHO) due to time constraints, and the waste of effort involved
I am unsure IBM would even be granted a patent for a BIOS that wouldn't be heavily contested by prior art. I seem to recall virtually all home computers having a similar (in idea, not in code) bootstrap/BIOS burned into them at the time.
>because vacuum tubes produce better sound. ...For people that are too lazy to use an EQ.