If you are too tough on corporations they cannot operate and move out and kill the economy...
Citation(s) needed.
I'm so fucking sick of the corporate threat to leave. Leave to go where? Where is it that all these fucking cry-baby greed filled corporations runaway to? Do they even know? I honestly can't think of where this fabled place might truly exist.
When us lowly working class wake up from the slumber we've so obviously succumbed to, and we go marching on the doorsteps of these corporations, what the fuck are they going to do?
I think any corporation that threatens the People with attempted economic collapse should have all their CxOs and managers lined up to be executed by firing squad.
He was talking about culture in general, not about tats themselves. Though that was the subject, he is right in some respects.
Look at Iran and well, the middle east. Their treatment of women is/was a cultural issue, and is slowly being remedied. Killing/maiming a woman is never an alternative.
A Bigot is by very definition a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. If you want to create a blanket statement and use the powerful word bigot for such a small purpose, by very definition then by your thoughts the entire world is a bigot.
Note: I love tats.
The word is tattoo. Please, never say "tat" again. Tattoos are cultural. The art form originates from a specific culture. Saying tattoos are stupid is showing bigotry toward the Maori and every subsequent culture to adopt the art of tattooing. I think "bigot" is the correct word, if not, I'm open to alternative suggestions.
Oh yeah it's culturally condescending to think tattoos are stupid. Actually this makes sense; all those white guys with tattoos like to think of themselves as being a different culture then those "straight edge" white folk who don't get tattoos. I can just see them living out a Hanes ad except instead of Michael Jordan it's some random black guy they meet on the street and instead of bonding over the fact they both wear Hanes, the white guy desperately tries to explain why he's actually more like a black guy than other white men thanks to his tattoos, as a very bemused African American tries to offer him money so he goes away.
Really? I didn't realize there were a lot of African Americans in the Polynesian islands.
What was bigoted? The fact that something coming from a different culture dos not in my mind change the value of that thing makes me bigoted?
My thoughts are that if something coming from a different culture automatically makes it ok not matter what or horrible no matter what then that is bigoted.
Clearly, the act of being intolerant of other cultures is what makes you bigoted. Of course, here on/. is the only place one would ever need to explain that to a bigot.
Oh wait. I call bullshit. Some things are stupid. It dose not make it an untouchable idea just because it is a mistake from a different culture.
I certainly smell bullshit. The word "bigot" comes to mind when I try to classify your closed-mindedness. The only thing you've proven with your response is your complete ignorance in the field of the arts. Just about the only judgment inappropriate for art is that it is stupid.
But hey, thanks for letting us all know how awesome you aren't!
Since when did getting a math equation tattoo become a culture?
I know you are just being a sad little troll, but I will attempt to correct your bad reading comprehension:
Seriously, tattoos are lame.
This implies that all tattoos are lame. From my limited research it seems to me that tattoos are an art form of which the Western adoption stems from a specific culture, the Maori people.
The coolest math tattoo you could get would be nothing at all. Just hold up your arm and say "it's the empty set" and have them marvel at your coolness.
Seriously, tattoos are lame. Resist the urge. It's going to be an ugly green smear you will regrat.
Citation needed.
You know what's lame? Condescension toward strange and different cultures. I would ask that you resist the urge to commit further transgressions of jackassery. Lest ye be considered an ugly green smear on society.
It's called an opinion; an expression of personal belief which is merely a statement, not a directive. Do they not have opinions where you come from?
Yes they do. Your directive of "shut up" was a command, not a statement of opinion.
Soo...an opinion isn't an expression of what one person thinks?::sigh:: See, people: this is EXACTLY why I put fucking disclaimers in front of my posts about my statements being mere opinion...because shit like this always seems to happen when I don't include one.
I see what you did there. Others may not have, so let me illustrate:
Bottom line: if you feel strongly enough about something to declare your support for it with a fucking signature, you should be man (or woman) enough to own up to it and deal with whatever consequences that may include. If you don't want people to know you feel a certain way about something, or if you fear retribution for your opinion, then you should just shut up and not express it.
Just my opinion, YMMV, etc.
See how that works everyone? Pojut thinks that by wrapping his statements in the "opinion" blanket that he can continue to spout oppressive totalitarian bullshit. Now, if you are sharp enough you might even see how he's trying to force me into a Catch 22. The problem with that is when taken to the extreme, he would make the Freedom of Speech, just an opinion.
Again, this is the United States of America. If you don't like myopinions, you have several legal options to deal with them. Attempting to suppress my legal right to hold and express those opinions is not one of your options.
If you don't want people to know you feel a certain way about something, or if you fear retribution for your opinion, then you should just shut up and not express it.
Those are your exact words. Maybe read them a few times over and let their meaning sink in before you reply again saying you never said them.
Apparently, you feel it is your place to judge me. Thanks for the hypocrisy, it tastes awesome.
No. However, I do feel that it's my place to let oppressive people, such as yourself, know that the vast majority of US citizens simply will not tolerate ideas like yours. Being that I've made no claims to the contrary, I will leave you with an obligatory Princess Bride quote: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." --Inigo Montoya
If you don't want people to know you feel a certain way about something, or if you fear retribution for your opinion, then you should just shut up and not express it.
You know, this is the United States of America. Our freedom of speech is a protected right, fuck you very much. If I want to be anti-homosexual, that's protected speech. If you want to be pro-homosexual, that's protected speech to.
My strong feelings on any subject do not give you, nor anyone else, the right to suppress my freedoms.
There's a place in the world for oppressive totalitarian dickwads like yourself, and it's called Europe. Please, I encourage you to take your "stfu" attitude and get the fuck out of our beloved country.
What reasons would that be, as opposed to those to call handegg boring?;)
(In terms of sports, I’m a shooter (online) and rally (offline) guy, so if you think I care about “sides” here, it’s all in your head.)
I'm sure you've heard them before, but let's see how much of my still bad karma I can burn into oblivion answering honestly:
The games are long and boring.
The goal nets are too small.
They don't score enough points (prolly due to the net's small size).
The transitions are obvious.
The players are wimps.
The refs are blind.
The fans riot violently; often causing mass destruction.
Here's a hint, in some other countries, citizens care about the rights of *humans* not just 'citizens of the country'. The reason is, as humans, we feel that our humanity is diminished when we deprive other people of theirs. But then, you are Americans, and somehow different, right?
Hint4: endymion.nz is OffTopic.
Hint5: Even when us US citizens don't explicitly state this to appease hate-mongering foreigners like endymion.nz, we care about human rights more than most countries do. (citations: US Civil War, WW1, WW2, plus many of the Chinese and other oppressive culture Civil Rights movements we have here in the US)
Hint6: Yes, we Americans are somehow different, that is correct.
Refuting trolls is like sprinkling arsenic in their food. Enjoy the meal!
It makes perfect sense to have a separate operating system for desktops and mobile devices, because they're two completely different things.
This premise is just Plain Wrong[TM]. The OS provides software a mechanism to do work. That's all it does. What you are actually trying to complain about is the UI. The UI is just a layer on top of the OS.
Since my Palm Pre Plus is powered by an ARM Cortex A8 CPU, it is in fact just a "purpose built" general purpose computing device. The OS it runs is a custom Linux distro named WebOS. This particular OS has itself a bit of "purpose built" technology, namely the touch based UI. Do you really think all these Android and webOS phones should have had wholly new OSs that somehow focus entirely on the user input? And let's be honest, iOS has it's roots in FreeBSD too right? Your logic would dictate that Android, webOS, AND iOS should not exist in their current *nix OS based forms, but should instead be distinctly unique OSs.
Statements like this:
Trying to run an OS on one designed for the other leads to frustration and unusability.
... are thus, completely misleading and serve to undermine the real issue, which you hinted at but never really elaborated on:
They've got two totally different user interfaces and paradigms, each working best for its target device.
This is actually correct, and, IMHO how it should be. Because IMHO in today's world there are actually few reasons to maintain multiple general purpose CPU OS codebases, but many reasons to develop multiple UIs for a given OS.
just my $.02
The US government, or its people at large, don't care about rights of US citizens
Citation needed.
Hint: I'm a US citizen, aka person at large, and I care about the rights of other US citizens.
Hint2: I don't really care about the rights of foreigners, and the main reason is that I feel they should fight for their own rights just as my ancestors fought for theirs/mine.
nyctopterus meant they are using an OS GUI that was not made for, or geared toward, 'touch' user interaction. Windows 7 may have some features that work with a 'touch' device but it certainly isn't "made for touch". The Windows Phone 7 OS would probably have been a better choice.
I strongly disagree with the concept that an OS isn't "made for touch." The OS is there to help you do things, like run software. I hardly think that today's modern OS can be put to blame when a given device's software is not "up to par" for the expected experience.
As anecdotal evidence, I can use WindowsXP/Vista/7 without a mouse or touchpad. I can get by in many programs and procedures without the mouse. The invention and the widespread usage of the mouse has no relevance to what the OS will or will not allow. Mouse drivers and software are the glue that binds the new device to the OS. If it doesn't do a good job (I have yet to get my hands on this dual touchscreen beastie), I hardly think the OS is to blame.
Oh, and I should also briefly mention that I am in no way suggesting that new input/device paradigms don't rise and fall, and that those paradigms don't influence design in areas such as the OS. I am merely stating my opinion that it's a flawed premise to blame the OS when a device/software doesn't do what it's expected to.
Touch interface with a non-touch OS GUI. I don't think this is gonna fly, fellas.
I'm not sure what this even means, nor why it was modded +Insightful.
The OS has a GUI, yes. The physical device has a touch sensitive display, yes. I'm sorry you didn't even bother to RTFS, so here let me highlight this gem for you:
Toshiba's pre-loaded a boatload of specialist software that'll let you get the most from the device
"You are going to aim it at the speed camera from your moving vehicle at 30+ mph? Color me impressed."
Well, I guess if stopped at the signal could do it then..otherwise, need to either be a passenger when doing it, or having the passenger do it.
Hmm...if only I could get some kind of automatic tracking system, that would lock onto said stop/speed cameras and blast them at will as you drive by them?!?
Now THAT would sell like hotcakes...I'd be one of the first people in line for one.
What happens when you fail and they capture a nice picture of you trying to zap their system?
Is this meant to be a troll (your karma speaks poorly of you)? Verizon data plans for handsets specifically include unlimited data usage. What would they be adding 5GB/mo to exactly? Did the phone(s) have pay-per-mb data on them previously?
No, sorry, not meant as a troll at all, adding to your praise of Verizon (if I read you correctly:)
You are correct that the Palm smartphones have the unlimited data plans included. However, the WiFi Hotspot previously added charges above and beyond the included unlimited plan. When you connected a device to the hotspot it gave you a warning, and prompted the user to purchase the Hotspot plan. What Verizon did for me was give me 5GB/mo with the WiFi Hotspot app for free!
If this was informative; help a fellow/.'er down on his karma, and mod me up please!:)
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If you are too tough on corporations they cannot operate and move out and kill the economy...
Citation(s) needed.
I'm so fucking sick of the corporate threat to leave. Leave to go where? Where is it that all these fucking cry-baby greed filled corporations runaway to? Do they even know? I honestly can't think of where this fabled place might truly exist.
When us lowly working class wake up from the slumber we've so obviously succumbed to, and we go marching on the doorsteps of these corporations, what the fuck are they going to do?
I think any corporation that threatens the People with attempted economic collapse should have all their CxOs and managers lined up to be executed by firing squad.
Hands-on is a must.
I thought that's exactly what everyone is supposed to avoid?!
He was talking about culture in general, not about tats themselves. Though that was the subject, he is right in some respects. Look at Iran and well, the middle east. Their treatment of women is/was a cultural issue, and is slowly being remedied. Killing/maiming a woman is never an alternative.
A Bigot is by very definition a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. If you want to create a blanket statement and use the powerful word bigot for such a small purpose, by very definition then by your thoughts the entire world is a bigot.
Note: I love tats.
The word is tattoo. Please, never say "tat" again. Tattoos are cultural. The art form originates from a specific culture. Saying tattoos are stupid is showing bigotry toward the Maori and every subsequent culture to adopt the art of tattooing. I think "bigot" is the correct word, if not, I'm open to alternative suggestions.
Oh yeah it's culturally condescending to think tattoos are stupid. Actually this makes sense; all those white guys with tattoos like to think of themselves as being a different culture then those "straight edge" white folk who don't get tattoos. I can just see them living out a Hanes ad except instead of Michael Jordan it's some random black guy they meet on the street and instead of bonding over the fact they both wear Hanes, the white guy desperately tries to explain why he's actually more like a black guy than other white men thanks to his tattoos, as a very bemused African American tries to offer him money so he goes away.
Really? I didn't realize there were a lot of African Americans in the Polynesian islands.
What was bigoted? The fact that something coming from a different culture dos not in my mind change the value of that thing makes me bigoted?
My thoughts are that if something coming from a different culture automatically makes it ok not matter what or horrible no matter what then that is bigoted.
Clearly, the act of being intolerant of other cultures is what makes you bigoted. Of course, here on /. is the only place one would ever need to explain that to a bigot.
Yes, but Apple's products are shiny.
I just had a terrible thought that involved a hair salon selling shiny "product" to a bunch of metro fanbois... *shudder*
Yes. Because all cultures are equal.
Oh wait. I call bullshit. Some things are stupid. It dose not make it an untouchable idea just because it is a mistake from a different culture.
I certainly smell bullshit. The word "bigot" comes to mind when I try to classify your closed-mindedness. The only thing you've proven with your response is your complete ignorance in the field of the arts. Just about the only judgment inappropriate for art is that it is stupid.
But hey, thanks for letting us all know how awesome you aren't!
Must suck being wrong! TEE-HEE!
Since when did getting a math equation tattoo become a culture?
I know you are just being a sad little troll, but I will attempt to correct your bad reading comprehension:
Seriously, tattoos are lame.
This implies that all tattoos are lame. From my limited research it seems to me that tattoos are an art form of which the Western adoption stems from a specific culture, the Maori people.
The coolest math tattoo you could get would be nothing at all. Just hold up your arm and say "it's the empty set" and have them marvel at your coolness.
Seriously, tattoos are lame. Resist the urge. It's going to be an ugly green smear you will regrat.
Citation needed.
You know what's lame? Condescension toward strange and different cultures. I would ask that you resist the urge to commit further transgressions of jackassery. Lest ye be considered an ugly green smear on society.
NASCAR is about speed. Plain and simple. I can't think of any other professional "league" or whatever that had to put in a speed limit...
It's called an opinion; an expression of personal belief which is merely a statement, not a directive. Do they not have opinions where you come from?
Yes they do. Your directive of "shut up" was a command, not a statement of opinion.
Soo...an opinion isn't an expression of what one person thinks? ::sigh:: See, people: this is EXACTLY why I put fucking disclaimers in front of my posts about my statements being mere opinion...because shit like this always seems to happen when I don't include one.
I see what you did there. Others may not have, so let me illustrate:
Bottom line: if you feel strongly enough about something to declare your support for it with a fucking signature, you should be man (or woman) enough to own up to it and deal with whatever consequences that may include. If you don't want people to know you feel a certain way about something, or if you fear retribution for your opinion, then you should just shut up and not express it.
Just my opinion, YMMV, etc.
See how that works everyone? Pojut thinks that by wrapping his statements in the "opinion" blanket that he can continue to spout oppressive totalitarian bullshit. Now, if you are sharp enough you might even see how he's trying to force me into a Catch 22. The problem with that is when taken to the extreme, he would make the Freedom of Speech, just an opinion.
Again, this is the United States of America. If you don't like my opinions, you have several legal options to deal with them. Attempting to suppress my legal right to hold and express those opinions is not one of your options.
I never once said you shouldn't express yourself.
Oh? Maybe I fail at reading:
If you don't want people to know you feel a certain way about something, or if you fear retribution for your opinion, then you should just shut up and not express it.
Those are your exact words. Maybe read them a few times over and let their meaning sink in before you reply again saying you never said them.
Apparently, you feel it is your place to judge me. Thanks for the hypocrisy, it tastes awesome.
No. However, I do feel that it's my place to let oppressive people, such as yourself, know that the vast majority of US citizens simply will not tolerate ideas like yours. Being that I've made no claims to the contrary, I will leave you with an obligatory Princess Bride quote: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." --Inigo Montoya
If you don't want people to know you feel a certain way about something, or if you fear retribution for your opinion, then you should just shut up and not express it.
You know, this is the United States of America. Our freedom of speech is a protected right, fuck you very much. If I want to be anti-homosexual, that's protected speech. If you want to be pro-homosexual, that's protected speech to.
My strong feelings on any subject do not give you, nor anyone else, the right to suppress my freedoms.
There's a place in the world for oppressive totalitarian dickwads like yourself, and it's called Europe. Please, I encourage you to take your "stfu" attitude and get the fuck out of our beloved country.
What reasons would that be, as opposed to those to call handegg boring? ;)
(In terms of sports, I’m a shooter (online) and rally (offline) guy, so if you think I care about “sides” here, it’s all in your head.)
I'm sure you've heard them before, but let's see how much of my still bad karma I can burn into oblivion answering honestly:
The games are long and boring.
The goal nets are too small.
They don't score enough points (prolly due to the net's small size).
The transitions are obvious.
The players are wimps.
The refs are blind.
The fans riot violently; often causing mass destruction.
Now add vuvuzelas!
Being that I'm from the US, I didn't need yet another reason to hate soccer... but, thanks Youtube for giving me another one!
Here's a hint, in some other countries, citizens care about the rights of *humans* not just 'citizens of the country'. The reason is, as humans, we feel that our humanity is diminished when we deprive other people of theirs. But then, you are Americans, and somehow different, right?
Hint4: endymion.nz is OffTopic.
Hint5: Even when us US citizens don't explicitly state this to appease hate-mongering foreigners like endymion.nz, we care about human rights more than most countries do. (citations: US Civil War, WW1, WW2, plus many of the Chinese and other oppressive culture Civil Rights movements we have here in the US)
Hint6: Yes, we Americans are somehow different, that is correct.
Refuting trolls is like sprinkling arsenic in their food. Enjoy the meal!
It makes perfect sense to have a separate operating system for desktops and mobile devices, because they're two completely different things.
This premise is just Plain Wrong[TM]. The OS provides software a mechanism to do work. That's all it does. What you are actually trying to complain about is the UI. The UI is just a layer on top of the OS.
Since my Palm Pre Plus is powered by an ARM Cortex A8 CPU, it is in fact just a "purpose built" general purpose computing device. The OS it runs is a custom Linux distro named WebOS. This particular OS has itself a bit of "purpose built" technology, namely the touch based UI. Do you really think all these Android and webOS phones should have had wholly new OSs that somehow focus entirely on the user input? And let's be honest, iOS has it's roots in FreeBSD too right? Your logic would dictate that Android, webOS, AND iOS should not exist in their current *nix OS based forms, but should instead be distinctly unique OSs.
Statements like this:
Trying to run an OS on one designed for the other leads to frustration and unusability.
... are thus, completely misleading and serve to undermine the real issue, which you hinted at but never really elaborated on:
They've got two totally different user interfaces and paradigms, each working best for its target device.
This is actually correct, and, IMHO how it should be. Because IMHO in today's world there are actually few reasons to maintain multiple general purpose CPU OS codebases, but many reasons to develop multiple UIs for a given OS. just my $.02
The US government, or its people at large, don't care about rights of US citizens
Citation needed.
Hint: I'm a US citizen, aka person at large, and I care about the rights of other US citizens.
Hint2: I don't really care about the rights of foreigners, and the main reason is that I feel they should fight for their own rights just as my ancestors fought for theirs/mine.
Hint3: Your false dichotomy is wrong.
Using skype I can make calls on it.
But, do you look cooler than this guy doing it?
nyctopterus meant they are using an OS GUI that was not made for, or geared toward, 'touch' user interaction. Windows 7 may have some features that work with a 'touch' device but it certainly isn't "made for touch". The Windows Phone 7 OS would probably have been a better choice.
I strongly disagree with the concept that an OS isn't "made for touch." The OS is there to help you do things, like run software. I hardly think that today's modern OS can be put to blame when a given device's software is not "up to par" for the expected experience.
As anecdotal evidence, I can use WindowsXP/Vista/7 without a mouse or touchpad. I can get by in many programs and procedures without the mouse. The invention and the widespread usage of the mouse has no relevance to what the OS will or will not allow. Mouse drivers and software are the glue that binds the new device to the OS. If it doesn't do a good job (I have yet to get my hands on this dual touchscreen beastie), I hardly think the OS is to blame.
Oh, and I should also briefly mention that I am in no way suggesting that new input/device paradigms don't rise and fall, and that those paradigms don't influence design in areas such as the OS. I am merely stating my opinion that it's a flawed premise to blame the OS when a device/software doesn't do what it's expected to.
Touch interface with a non-touch OS GUI. I don't think this is gonna fly, fellas.
I'm not sure what this even means, nor why it was modded +Insightful.
The OS has a GUI, yes. The physical device has a touch sensitive display, yes. I'm sorry you didn't even bother to RTFS, so here let me highlight this gem for you:
Toshiba's pre-loaded a boatload of specialist software that'll let you get the most from the device
Who says the US government is a preferred customer? They just demand to be treated as a preferred customer.
The reason why they think they have the right to make such demands is beyond me though.
Who says they aren't? Oh, just you.
"You know the law: Bust a Deal; Face the Wheel."
"You are going to aim it at the speed camera from your moving vehicle at 30+ mph? Color me impressed."
Well, I guess if stopped at the signal could do it then..otherwise, need to either be a passenger when doing it, or having the passenger do it.
Hmm...if only I could get some kind of automatic tracking system, that would lock onto said stop/speed cameras and blast them at will as you drive by them?!?
Now THAT would sell like hotcakes...I'd be one of the first people in line for one.
What happens when you fail and they capture a nice picture of you trying to zap their system?
Is this meant to be a troll (your karma speaks poorly of you)? Verizon data plans for handsets specifically include unlimited data usage. What would they be adding 5GB/mo to exactly? Did the phone(s) have pay-per-mb data on them previously?
No, sorry, not meant as a troll at all, adding to your praise of Verizon (if I read you correctly :)
You are correct that the Palm smartphones have the unlimited data plans included. However, the WiFi Hotspot previously added charges above and beyond the included unlimited plan. When you connected a device to the hotspot it gave you a warning, and prompted the user to purchase the Hotspot plan. What Verizon did for me was give me 5GB/mo with the WiFi Hotspot app for free!
If this was informative; help a fellow /.'er down on his karma, and mod me up please! :)