This is basically the solution Verizon Wireless here in the US has come to
Hrm. I have a subsidized HP Mini 1000 with a Verizon Wireless 3G card built in. For 5GB/mo I pay $59/mo + tax.
I also have a Palm Pre Plus for my cell phone with Verizon Wireless on a family plan (pre + pixi). When I received the bill for the last billing period, I was very pleasantly surprised to see a big notice that read something like this:
"Dear Valued Customer, because you have been such an excellent customer for the last 6 years, we've decided to add 5GB/mo to each of your Palm phones; on the house. Enjoy!"
Since then, I've been trying to figure out how to channel bond the 3g in the netbook with the WiFi Hotspot in the Pre;)
But..but...why would our government want to spy on its own citizens???
The bigger question is why would we allow our government to deploy weaponized/spy-fitted robots over domestic airspace?
Personally, I'm just waiting to zap some pop-corn and press record on the Tivo when one of these things crashes into a commercial airliner or opens fire on the "wrong" target.
And what about people who get sick at the smell or sight of meat? Not all of us get all wet at the thought of eating a giant piece of cow. How is this different than wearing thick cologne or perfume, or slathering on aftershave to the point that the hallway still reeks of it hours after your passage? You know what, I'd rather smell burnt gas and diesel than half the things the general public slathers all over their body in the name of attracting the opposite sex. People who wear Axe and Old Spice, I'm looking at you.
And now in addition to my daily routine of overly-scented people, they're adding overly-scented advertising?:( As if flashing, gyrating signs, sometimes moving and smoking, signs that are visible for miles wasn't enough. What next, shooting french fries at passing motorists?
What about people who can breathe through their nose... wait for it... and mouth? You know, when someone farts, I personally choose not to breathe through my nose because I find the thought of smelling someone's butthole disgusting.
Next time find something worthy of a complaint. The fact your anatomy comes with the ability to avoid smelling out of the box means you're entire position is flawed. Because of this you should have received a -Troll mod, definitely not a +Insightful...
Few would argue against the proposition that life on Earth could have been the result of intelligent design, if it happened very early in the process (pre-bacteria/archaea split). The proposition that it actually was would be quite hard to establish - what kind of prediction would that proposition entail that would be different than the accepted theory?
But, of course, creationists aren't really interested in the idea that some very simple early single-celled or precellular life was created. The more interesting claim that all (or even many) actual plants and animals were intelligently designed is absurd: you have to posit that they were created exacly like the would have evolved, which is just Last-Tuesday-ism and pointless beyond late night sophmore drinking sessions.
I think that completely ignores some of the more interesting programming techniques, such as genetic algorithms and self-modifying code. Is there some rule that states explicitly that something intelligently designed cannot adapt?
Using the example I mentioned in my earlier post, what happens when those same scientists can also create synthetic cells and inject them with self-modifying synthetic DNA? Is that an example of both Intelligent Design and evolution peacefully coexisting?
Also don't let current events dissuade your current beliefs (that ID was disproved).
I cite the recent/. article showing a method of injecting synthetic (man made) DNA strands into cell nuclei with a simple program as evidence that we human beings ourselves are nigh capable of performing Intelligent Design.
If man can intelligently design life, then I posit that any sufficient intelligence must also be capable of intelligently designing life as well.
The Drake Equation suggests that there are no less than 10,000 civilizations similar to our own, just in the Milky Way Galaxy. Just talking locally about our own Galaxy, there is the possibility of an Earth-like civilization ~1Billion years old.
It's extremely difficult to predict our technological feats over the next 10 years; let alone the next 1B. However, since we have the ability today to program cells with 100% synthetic DNA, I feel comfortable predicting the mastery of genetic technology in the near (~100yrs) future.
I would like to think a true scientist would discuss or think about things as an open-minded skeptic. Things that seem highly implausible last week seem a hell of a lot more plausible this week... especially in terms of Intelligent Design.
In summary, I find it completely possible that beings/God Intelligently Designed Earth-life. I just don't believe we have enough evidence to state that theory is a fact, or is completely dis-proven.
I remember reading it is like twelve years old. That might not be true, but even if it is, who the fuck is the USA to tell Japan what constitutes child pornography?
If kids can make porn legally in Japan, who's fucking business is it really other than the Japanese?
In macroscopic terms the world is simple. The finer the resolution the more complex the world gets. In nanoscopic terms the world is complicated.
Making chips is considerably harder than making bricks; and yet we do make both.
Our current technology allows us to automate macroscopic processes with high precision. Nanotechnology however is one leading edge technology, and as such the precision certainly isn't there to make a fair comparison to automated macroscopic processes.
Making chips was once leading edge technology, not comparable to making bricks; and yet we made both.
Think of a doctor performing surgery: a large benign tumor in section of fat could be easily removed, while a miniscule brain tumor would probably be one of the most difficult to remove.
Removing a minuscule brain tumor is much harder than amputating a leg; and yet we do both.
That's precisely the point of science and technology. Some guy spends years doing something that was previously impossible. Some other guys try little variants on the same action. And then a guy develops a process of doing the exact same thing but better, faster and cheaper.
Once the action passes through the imposibility barrier, the steps from "breakthough" to "mundane" are well known. We've spent several thousand years walking those steps on each new discovery.
So then, just so I'm clear, leg amputation is just as difficult as brain surgery; bricks are just as hard to make as silicon wafers.
Thanks for clearing all that up. Now that you've enlightened me on now the world works I will fly home after work this evening using nothing but my arms. Because I can walk with my legs.
It'll take a really wicked manufacturing process to ever make, too. 7 atoms? What if you get only 6? What if you get 8? What if one is slightly off position?
Building a car with 4 wheels? What if you only get 3? What if you get 5? What if one is slightly off position?
An automated process doesn't care about size. What they did, can be replicated. Thus, it can be automated, unless there's a creative process involved that implies the use of a human mind, which I strongly doubt.
If the automation is too slow, it can be multiplied. If multiplying is still not enough, the process itself of creating and assembling multiple automatons can be multiplied.
Price vs usefulness of the final product may well be a problem, but size isn't. It was until it was solved, which is precisely the point of the news.
In macroscopic terms the world is simple. The finer the resolution the more complex the world gets. In nanoscopic terms the world is complicated.
Our current technology allows us to automate macroscopic processes with high precision. Nanotechnology however is one leading edge technology, and as such the precision certainly isn't there to make a fair comparison to automated macroscopic processes.
Think of a doctor performing surgery: a large benign tumor in section of fat could be easily removed, while a miniscule brain tumor would probably be one of the most difficult to remove.
This is just going to end badly for some people. Why engage extremists who are looking for a fight? They are looking for some fools to "volunteer" to receive their wrath, and these Facebook yuksters are raising both hands.
I don't share the view of the extremists, but how does not drawing the Prophet Mohamed hurt anyone? Surely the bear suit was funnier than any accurate depiction South Park could have come up with (though I was disappointed they didn't use the Sexual Harassment Panda bear suit). My parents taught me that sticking my hand into a fire was hot, that I'd get hurt and that I shouldn't do it. Surely these Facebook taunters learned that too?
What a world you choose to live in... where the wrath of an entire cult should be feared like flesh burning fire.
I agree wholeheartedly that satire is the best form of dissent. It's really an easy test to see if you are oppressed: can you ridicule your society/government/religion and not be murdered?
Where I disagree is when you call religion a disease and a mental disorder. True religion is simply the formalized study of theology. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. I think, based on the otherwise rational and coherent bulk of your post, that you probably just meant corrupt religious leaders; maybe even fundamental extremists.
Why didn't these "students" get ridiculed and beat up by their classmates?
It seems to me that these sort of people are analogues of the fuckers that remind the teacher to assign homework over the weekend. How the fuck do these people even make it TO college believing these types of ideas are acceptable, let alone graduate and go on to lead political CAREERS???
These "students" are exactly the types that should have their pants pulled down every single day, kick-me signs taped to their backs every class, books slapped out of their hands, and tripped in the cafeteria.
I am beginning to think that the pussification of America is leading to the Police State. Odd...
We are too stupid to see that vote's don't count anymore, and too stupid to see that the people in government, all political parties, are against us.
We are at war with our government and thus we are at war with corporations. Everyone in the government and everyone in corporations knows this, but hardly any of the civilians do are act like it.
The corporations have decided they know what's best for the consumers, and they have taken control of our government in order to obtain the ability to control us. An attack on net neutrality, or what I believe is really just the Freedom of Speech, is an attack on the people of the US. If we lose here then we are likely to lose when they (corporations and government) choose to tear down the Bill of Rights or perhaps the entire Constitution of the US.
I think you're probably about 10-20 years out of date with your criticism. AI these days is *all about* statistical machine learning which is *all about* data and not about formal or expert systems at all. This is what Google and others are doing. The AI you are describing is from the late 80s and early 90s.
Neural networks are part of the story, but many of the ideas from ANNs have been improved upon when more structured settings are available. There is actually a resurgence right now in deep neural network though.
I don't think it's out of date at all to consider that neither one side of a conversation is an expert in linguistics or speech pattern recognition. The real world is fuzzy. It's a real world consideration that if you can't understand the speaker within in seconds, you are going to begin asking for repeats or alternate explanations.
My only professional experience with speech recognition software was with Dragon Dictate about 8 years ago. The program, once "trained" on a given user, basically ran on the assumption that it knew how to understand everything the user would ever say. As in, never once did it ask questions after training about what you really meant.
Until the computer is given the ability to recognize it's own limitations, and the ability to alter it's own program based on a perceived limitation itself; I don't believe we will have human grade speech recognition. IMHO when the program asks me to repeat myself, or offer an alternate explanation or description, speech recognition will be perfected.
What about the simple fact that conversation itself is a learning process?
You learn the extent of your audience's comprehension among other things. How can a computer be programmed to recognize everything when we lack a sufficient model to base it on?
There is a point in conversation when a sensible human being will recognize they are not getting their ideas through, and simply give up and say "never mind".
your idiotic comment could really be made about anything: all cars are basically blends of different standard metals and plastics... There is such a thing as design, marketing, software... You should read up about it, or shut up.
Ahh, so the standard desktop grade HDD that is packaged within Apple brand PCs is made with pixie dust and fairy sprinkles? I suppose that means the standard desktop grade RAM was made with Divine intervention.
I fail to see why Apple needs to charge more for these parts. The only possibly logical reason is to suspend the disbelief in people such as obarthelemy. Thus, prolonging the irrational fanboiism.
I just wanted to thank each and every Apple fanboi for supporting this company by overpaying on standard PC parts for YEARS. You gave them the power, are you really surprised that they are willing to abuse it?
I need a little encryption so I tunnel tightVNC or RDP through ssh.
I find VNC to be a tad glitchy, especially drawing GTK windows, but it has a convenient full screen refresh function that overcomes that.
RDP has the advantage of connecting the remote pc to local printers.
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This is basically the solution Verizon Wireless here in the US has come to
Hrm. I have a subsidized HP Mini 1000 with a Verizon Wireless 3G card built in. For 5GB/mo I pay $59/mo + tax.
I also have a Palm Pre Plus for my cell phone with Verizon Wireless on a family plan (pre + pixi). When I received the bill for the last billing period, I was very pleasantly surprised to see a big notice that read something like this:
"Dear Valued Customer, because you have been such an excellent customer for the last 6 years, we've decided to add 5GB/mo to each of your Palm phones; on the house. Enjoy!"
Since then, I've been trying to figure out how to channel bond the 3g in the netbook with the WiFi Hotspot in the Pre ;)
But..but...why would our government want to spy on its own citizens???
The bigger question is why would we allow our government to deploy weaponized/spy-fitted robots over domestic airspace?
Personally, I'm just waiting to zap some pop-corn and press record on the Tivo when one of these things crashes into a commercial airliner or opens fire on the "wrong" target.
And what about people who get sick at the smell or sight of meat? Not all of us get all wet at the thought of eating a giant piece of cow. How is this different than wearing thick cologne or perfume, or slathering on aftershave to the point that the hallway still reeks of it hours after your passage? You know what, I'd rather smell burnt gas and diesel than half the things the general public slathers all over their body in the name of attracting the opposite sex. People who wear Axe and Old Spice, I'm looking at you.
And now in addition to my daily routine of overly-scented people, they're adding overly-scented advertising? :( As if flashing, gyrating signs, sometimes moving and smoking, signs that are visible for miles wasn't enough. What next, shooting french fries at passing motorists?
What about people who can breathe through their nose... wait for it... and mouth? You know, when someone farts, I personally choose not to breathe through my nose because I find the thought of smelling someone's butthole disgusting.
Next time find something worthy of a complaint. The fact your anatomy comes with the ability to avoid smelling out of the box means you're entire position is flawed. Because of this you should have received a -Troll mod, definitely not a +Insightful...
Few would argue against the proposition that life on Earth could have been the result of intelligent design, if it happened very early in the process (pre-bacteria/archaea split). The proposition that it actually was would be quite hard to establish - what kind of prediction would that proposition entail that would be different than the accepted theory?
But, of course, creationists aren't really interested in the idea that some very simple early single-celled or precellular life was created. The more interesting claim that all (or even many) actual plants and animals were intelligently designed is absurd: you have to posit that they were created exacly like the would have evolved, which is just Last-Tuesday-ism and pointless beyond late night sophmore drinking sessions.
I think that completely ignores some of the more interesting programming techniques, such as genetic algorithms and self-modifying code. Is there some rule that states explicitly that something intelligently designed cannot adapt?
Using the example I mentioned in my earlier post, what happens when those same scientists can also create synthetic cells and inject them with self-modifying synthetic DNA? Is that an example of both Intelligent Design and evolution peacefully coexisting?
Also don't let current events dissuade your current beliefs (that ID was disproved).
I cite the recent /. article showing a method of injecting synthetic (man made) DNA strands into cell nuclei with a simple program as evidence that we human beings ourselves are nigh capable of performing Intelligent Design.
If man can intelligently design life, then I posit that any sufficient intelligence must also be capable of intelligently designing life as well.
The Drake Equation suggests that there are no less than 10,000 civilizations similar to our own, just in the Milky Way Galaxy. Just talking locally about our own Galaxy, there is the possibility of an Earth-like civilization ~1Billion years old.
It's extremely difficult to predict our technological feats over the next 10 years; let alone the next 1B. However, since we have the ability today to program cells with 100% synthetic DNA, I feel comfortable predicting the mastery of genetic technology in the near (~100yrs) future.
I would like to think a true scientist would discuss or think about things as an open-minded skeptic. Things that seem highly implausible last week seem a hell of a lot more plausible this week... especially in terms of Intelligent Design.
In summary, I find it completely possible that beings/God Intelligently Designed Earth-life. I just don't believe we have enough evidence to state that theory is a fact, or is completely dis-proven.
I remember reading it is like twelve years old. That might not be true, but even if it is, who the fuck is the USA to tell Japan what constitutes child pornography?
If kids can make porn legally in Japan, who's fucking business is it really other than the Japanese?
All of its storage is flash memory soldered to the logic board. There is no way to remove the storage.
You must be speaking as a person with literally no experience with electronics.
I've lost count of all the chips I've desoldered and resoldered over the years...
In macroscopic terms the world is simple. The finer the resolution the more complex the world gets. In nanoscopic terms the world is complicated.
Making chips is considerably harder than making bricks; and yet we do make both.
Our current technology allows us to automate macroscopic processes with high precision. Nanotechnology however is one leading edge technology, and as such the precision certainly isn't there to make a fair comparison to automated macroscopic processes.
Making chips was once leading edge technology, not comparable to making bricks; and yet we made both.
Think of a doctor performing surgery: a large benign tumor in section of fat could be easily removed, while a miniscule brain tumor would probably be one of the most difficult to remove.
Removing a minuscule brain tumor is much harder than amputating a leg; and yet we do both.
That's precisely the point of science and technology. Some guy spends years doing something that was previously impossible. Some other guys try little variants on the same action. And then a guy develops a process of doing the exact same thing but better, faster and cheaper.
Once the action passes through the imposibility barrier, the steps from "breakthough" to "mundane" are well known. We've spent several thousand years walking those steps on each new discovery.
So then, just so I'm clear, leg amputation is just as difficult as brain surgery; bricks are just as hard to make as silicon wafers.
Thanks for clearing all that up. Now that you've enlightened me on now the world works I will fly home after work this evening using nothing but my arms. Because I can walk with my legs.
It'll take a really wicked manufacturing process to ever make, too. 7 atoms? What if you get only 6? What if you get 8? What if one is slightly off position?
Building a car with 4 wheels? What if you only get 3? What if you get 5? What if one is slightly off position?
An automated process doesn't care about size. What they did, can be replicated. Thus, it can be automated, unless there's a creative process involved that implies the use of a human mind, which I strongly doubt.
If the automation is too slow, it can be multiplied. If multiplying is still not enough, the process itself of creating and assembling multiple automatons can be multiplied.
Price vs usefulness of the final product may well be a problem, but size isn't. It was until it was solved, which is precisely the point of the news.
In macroscopic terms the world is simple. The finer the resolution the more complex the world gets. In nanoscopic terms the world is complicated.
Our current technology allows us to automate macroscopic processes with high precision. Nanotechnology however is one leading edge technology, and as such the precision certainly isn't there to make a fair comparison to automated macroscopic processes.
Think of a doctor performing surgery: a large benign tumor in section of fat could be easily removed, while a miniscule brain tumor would probably be one of the most difficult to remove.
This is just going to end badly for some people. Why engage extremists who are looking for a fight? They are looking for some fools to "volunteer" to receive their wrath, and these Facebook yuksters are raising both hands. I don't share the view of the extremists, but how does not drawing the Prophet Mohamed hurt anyone? Surely the bear suit was funnier than any accurate depiction South Park could have come up with (though I was disappointed they didn't use the Sexual Harassment Panda bear suit). My parents taught me that sticking my hand into a fire was hot, that I'd get hurt and that I shouldn't do it. Surely these Facebook taunters learned that too?
What a world you choose to live in... where the wrath of an entire cult should be feared like flesh burning fire.
Let satire extinguish those flames.
I agree wholeheartedly that satire is the best form of dissent. It's really an easy test to see if you are oppressed: can you ridicule your society/government/religion and not be murdered?
Where I disagree is when you call religion a disease and a mental disorder. True religion is simply the formalized study of theology. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. I think, based on the otherwise rational and coherent bulk of your post, that you probably just meant corrupt religious leaders; maybe even fundamental extremists.
Mod parent redundant, not funny, i posted this joke minutes before c++0xFF did.
corrupt government adviser spams you!
Maybe I just suck at maths but I seem to think that a difference between two things is... you know... different than the sum of two things.
are you seriously pointing us to a site that requires Silverlight?
*Sigh*
He is just trying to exercise his MCSE skills that he wasn't able to while incarcerated!
Why didn't these "students" get ridiculed and beat up by their classmates?
It seems to me that these sort of people are analogues of the fuckers that remind the teacher to assign homework over the weekend. How the fuck do these people even make it TO college believing these types of ideas are acceptable, let alone graduate and go on to lead political CAREERS???
These "students" are exactly the types that should have their pants pulled down every single day, kick-me signs taped to their backs every class, books slapped out of their hands, and tripped in the cafeteria.
I am beginning to think that the pussification of America is leading to the Police State. Odd...
We are too stupid to see that vote's don't count anymore, and too stupid to see that the people in government, all political parties, are against us.
We are at war with our government and thus we are at war with corporations. Everyone in the government and everyone in corporations knows this, but hardly any of the civilians do are act like it.
The corporations have decided they know what's best for the consumers, and they have taken control of our government in order to obtain the ability to control us. An attack on net neutrality, or what I believe is really just the Freedom of Speech, is an attack on the people of the US. If we lose here then we are likely to lose when they (corporations and government) choose to tear down the Bill of Rights or perhaps the entire Constitution of the US.
Meh.
Damnit I RTFS but didn't see anything about instant-on.
Could they pick a tackier or more insensitive name?
You mean like the new "HP Katrina", the "HP Eyjafjallajokull" or the "HP BP Gulfspill"?
Personally, I'm waiting for the new "HP Chernobyl"!
Isn't it just the worst when people don't recognize the obvious superiority of your opinions and get in line? Stupid fucking free will.
I'm sorry, exactly which part about me saying that Apple charges more for commodity off the shelf HDDs, CPUs, and RAM was opinion?
You certainly have the freedom to be stupid. Paying Apple a premium for off the shelf commodity HDDs, CPUs, and RAM definitely qualifies as such.
I think you're probably about 10-20 years out of date with your criticism. AI these days is *all about* statistical machine learning which is *all about* data and not about formal or expert systems at all. This is what Google and others are doing. The AI you are describing is from the late 80s and early 90s. Neural networks are part of the story, but many of the ideas from ANNs have been improved upon when more structured settings are available. There is actually a resurgence right now in deep neural network though.
I don't think it's out of date at all to consider that neither one side of a conversation is an expert in linguistics or speech pattern recognition. The real world is fuzzy. It's a real world consideration that if you can't understand the speaker within in seconds, you are going to begin asking for repeats or alternate explanations.
My only professional experience with speech recognition software was with Dragon Dictate about 8 years ago. The program, once "trained" on a given user, basically ran on the assumption that it knew how to understand everything the user would ever say. As in, never once did it ask questions after training about what you really meant.
Until the computer is given the ability to recognize it's own limitations, and the ability to alter it's own program based on a perceived limitation itself; I don't believe we will have human grade speech recognition. IMHO when the program asks me to repeat myself, or offer an alternate explanation or description, speech recognition will be perfected.
What about the simple fact that conversation itself is a learning process?
You learn the extent of your audience's comprehension among other things. How can a computer be programmed to recognize everything when we lack a sufficient model to base it on?
There is a point in conversation when a sensible human being will recognize they are not getting their ideas through, and simply give up and say "never mind".
your idiotic comment could really be made about anything: all cars are basically blends of different standard metals and plastics... There is such a thing as design, marketing, software... You should read up about it, or shut up.
Ahh, so the standard desktop grade HDD that is packaged within Apple brand PCs is made with pixie dust and fairy sprinkles? I suppose that means the standard desktop grade RAM was made with Divine intervention.
I fail to see why Apple needs to charge more for these parts. The only possibly logical reason is to suspend the disbelief in people such as obarthelemy. Thus, prolonging the irrational fanboiism.
I just wanted to thank each and every Apple fanboi for supporting this company by overpaying on standard PC parts for YEARS. You gave them the power, are you really surprised that they are willing to abuse it?
Cue the iTune apologists rant in 3...2...1...
I need a little encryption so I tunnel tightVNC or RDP through ssh. I find VNC to be a tad glitchy, especially drawing GTK windows, but it has a convenient full screen refresh function that overcomes that. RDP has the advantage of connecting the remote pc to local printers.